As someone who's run conference wifi for years (DefCon), my hat's off to Sean and his team for what they do. It's never easy, and often under-appreciated. Sounds like they did a really stellar job (8 guys and 4 hours??). Good going!
As others have said, it really does depend on the work-load. Some have suggested at 1:75 is "low" - for me, based on the workload my staff have, that's *high!!*
I have 4 groups supporting various workloads in various geographies. They range from as low as 1:20 to as high as 1:70 For us, the/number/ of users we support isn't the issue - it's the workload those users generate. Some part of that is due to the types of applications we support at each site. Some of it are just the demands some of those departments put on us (e.g. continual last minute requests). Some groups are highly self-sufficient. Others rely on IT day-to-day to help develop solutions to increase their own productivity.
I've asked the same question the original poster asked for years - what's the "right ratio?" The answer is: it's unique.
Did you actually read the page that you referenced? I mean all the way through?
PyCon 2008 used a 40Mb wireless connection @ 40Mbs, not a DS3. Dropping a DS3 in for a temp event is big bucks (try it sometime!)
Now read their utilization graph. If they had 20Mb, they'd have been perfectly fine (they only spiked above 20Mb a couple of times). So let's say you're paying the $15-20K to drop in a DS3 to a hotel. If you could pay significantly less with no realistic impact to service, wouldn't you?
How many corporate sponsors did PyCon have? Now compare to the corporate sponsors for DefCon. Now compare budgets.
Comparing SuperComputing's Network to DefCon? Seriously?
Convention networking isn't a dick-swinging contest--it's about getting it done.
So, which side of the firewall is the "untrusted" side at defcon? Do they protect defcon from the internet, or do they protect the internet from DefCon?
It's expected. About the only thing anyone's ever gotten in trouble for (specific to the Network) is for stealing equipment (hence the guard, and the dog:)
I just had Spring DSL installed at my house YESTERDAY. I asked the tech about login info, user manual, etc for the Zyxel modem so I could get in & configure it, change admin logins, etc - his response was, "Oh, you don't need to do that, it's preconfigured already." So apparently their techs don't believe there's a need to secure them??
4.1.6. The Company does not permit sites where 20% or more of the monthly traffic is from file downloads...
Seems to me that HTML and images are files which are downloaded, so their AUP effectively eliminates all sites which primarily serve web pages.
Remember, ISP's work on the "shared resource" plan. All they're trying to say is that they will not allow any single customer to take more than their fair share of resources. Same types of statements apply to dial-up services. Do you find anything unfair about that? If you don't want to share resources, then drop yourself a T1 line & setup your own server for hosting.
"File Downloads" are typically regarded as links on your webpage(s) to files on the same server that a user can specifically request.
To even think that the hosting company would regard normal HTML & images as "downloads" is a little irrational & emotional. They're trying to make sure everyone has equal access to hosting resources. Is that BAD??
I own a small ISP in Texas, and I'm forced to watch these types of issues very closely. While I respect Half-Price Hosting's (HPH) Terms of Service, and agree that they had the right to do what they did...I disagree with the approach. I fully think that their automated script should be "kind" enough to at least send a note to the user indicating their MP3's were rm'd.
Here in Austin, commonly branded the Live Music Capital of the World, we have a lot of independent, young, struggling musicians, and we host a number of their websites, which include MP3's. So for us it would obviously be a BadThing(tm) to just blindly start deleting MP3's.
We take the view that that users are responsible for what they store in their home directories. If someone points out a ToS violation, we'll look into it, take the appropriate action.
I think this is very much akin to the arguments around the searching of school lockers. In that case, kids are very much held directly responsible for the contents of their locker. Some schools do massive random searches, and that obviously holds a lot of controversy, but many (most?) only search specific lockers when there is reason to do so.
Of course the way I look at it is--if the Police came into the school, searched a locker, found something "bad"--do they prosecute the school, since they own the locker? No, they'd go after the kid. Yet in the world of web-hosting, we've seen cases of the police/etc going after the user AND the ISP. Possibly part of the "sue everyone" mind-set that seems to prevelant these days.
It's back to the whole privacy issue, I suppose. If you're that concerned over the privacy of any materials you store in your $HOME, consult the privacy policies, or ask the provider direct questions about how they handle the privacy of user data/files.
Your assuming, tho, that the OEM's don't already WANT to pre-install Linux (or other OSs). OEM's have their hands tied, for financial reasons, to bundle M$. With the focus of the DOJ on M$, it gives OEM's more room to do what they WANT to do, with less fear of M$ putting their foot down.
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As someone who's run conference wifi for years (DefCon), my hat's off to Sean and his team for what they do. It's never easy, and often under-appreciated. Sounds like they did a really stellar job (8 guys and 4 hours??). Good going!
As others have said, it really does depend on the work-load.
Some have suggested at 1:75 is "low" - for me, based on the workload my staff have, that's *high!!*
I have 4 groups supporting various workloads in various geographies. /number/ of users we support isn't the issue - it's the workload those users generate. Some part of that is due to the types of applications we support at each site. Some of it are just the demands some of those departments put on us (e.g. continual last minute requests). Some groups are highly self-sufficient. Others rely on IT day-to-day to help develop solutions to increase their own productivity.
They range from as low as 1:20 to as high as 1:70
For us, the
I've asked the same question the original poster asked for years - what's the "right ratio?" The answer is: it's unique.
It's part of the Aruba management software suite.
Did you actually read the page that you referenced? I mean all the way through?
PyCon 2008 used a 40Mb wireless connection @ 40Mbs, not a DS3. Dropping a DS3 in for a temp event is big bucks (try it sometime!)
Now read their utilization graph. If they had 20Mb, they'd have been perfectly fine (they only spiked above 20Mb a couple of times). So let's say you're paying the $15-20K to drop in a DS3 to a hotel. If you could pay significantly less with no realistic impact to service, wouldn't you?
How many corporate sponsors did PyCon have?
Now compare to the corporate sponsors for DefCon.
Now compare budgets.
Comparing SuperComputing's Network to DefCon? Seriously?
Convention networking isn't a dick-swinging contest--it's about getting it done.
So, which side of the firewall is the "untrusted" side at defcon? Do they protect defcon from the internet, or do they protect the internet from DefCon?
We do a bit of both, actually.
It's expected. About the only thing anyone's ever gotten in trouble for (specific to the Network) is for stealing equipment (hence the guard, and the dog :)
I just had Spring DSL installed at my house YESTERDAY. I asked the tech about login info, user manual, etc for the Zyxel modem so I could get in & configure it, change admin logins, etc - his response was, "Oh, you don't need to do that, it's preconfigured already." So apparently their techs don't believe there's a need to secure them??
Greaaaaaaaaat.
4.1.6. The Company does not permit sites where 20% or more of the monthly traffic is from file downloads...
Seems to me that HTML and images are files which are downloaded, so their AUP effectively eliminates all sites which primarily serve web pages.
Remember, ISP's work on the "shared resource" plan. All they're trying to say is that they will not allow any single customer to take more than their fair share of resources. Same types of statements apply to dial-up services. Do you find anything unfair about that? If you don't want to share resources, then drop yourself a T1 line & setup your own server for hosting.
"File Downloads" are typically regarded as links on your webpage(s) to files on the same server that a user can specifically request.
To even think that the hosting company would regard normal HTML & images as "downloads" is a little irrational & emotional. They're trying to make sure everyone has equal access to hosting resources. Is that BAD??
I own a small ISP in Texas, and I'm forced to watch these types of issues very closely. While I respect Half-Price Hosting's (HPH) Terms of Service, and agree that they had the right to do what they did...I disagree with the approach. I fully think that their automated script should be "kind" enough to at least send a note to the user indicating their MP3's were rm'd.
Here in Austin, commonly branded the Live Music Capital of the World, we have a lot of independent, young, struggling musicians, and we host a number of their websites, which include MP3's. So for us it would obviously be a BadThing(tm) to just blindly start deleting MP3's.
We take the view that that users are responsible for what they store in their home directories. If someone points out a ToS violation, we'll look into it, take the appropriate action.
I think this is very much akin to the arguments around the searching of school lockers. In that case, kids are very much held directly responsible for the contents of their locker. Some schools do massive random searches, and that obviously holds a lot of controversy, but many (most?) only search specific lockers when there is reason to do so.
Of course the way I look at it is--if the Police came into the school, searched a locker, found something "bad"--do they prosecute the school, since they own the locker? No, they'd go after the kid. Yet in the world of web-hosting, we've seen cases of the police/etc going after the user AND the ISP. Possibly part of the "sue everyone" mind-set that seems to prevelant these days.
It's back to the whole privacy issue, I suppose. If you're that concerned over the privacy of any materials you store in your $HOME, consult the privacy policies, or ask the provider direct questions about how they handle the privacy of user data/files.
Your assuming, tho, that the OEM's don't already WANT to pre-install Linux (or other OSs). OEM's have their hands tied, for financial reasons, to bundle M$. With the focus of the DOJ on M$, it gives OEM's more room to do what they WANT to do, with less fear of M$ putting their foot down.