Nearly every paragraph in the "article" begins with a disclaimer that the data (and/or the analysis) are flawed/biased/incomplete/not useful/meaningless!
Wow. Gotta do some quotes:
Firstly - the data is dirty
Nice
Thus it is possible that there is at least somewhat wider contribution than shown
More than possible
This graph is more meaningless than it might first appear
So, why are you basing are fairly hefty part of your argument on it? If it's meaningless, why is it even included?
So the data is not that useful.
No kidding
Is it more useful to look at an individual to see if they are contributing something ?
I dunno. You asked the question. Is it?
Why one hundred ? why not ?
It is clear that the number of active contributors Sun brings to the project is continuing to shrink
Crystal clear.
Novell's up-stream contribution appears small in comparison with the fifteen engineers we have working on OO.o. This has perhaps
Yeah, expand on that conjecture
So, it should be clear that OO.o is a profoundly sick project
Clear? Clear based on all those assertions they made about their data being dodgy? Yeah, umm, ok.
I'm sorry, but this is article is very hard to take seriously.
Evil Ether, I was not really directing my comment at you, or evaluating your first comment. The fact that I replied to you with my ideas was only because your comment provided a nice stepping stone. That and the fact that the "steaming pile of... data" prompted me to think of the "steaming pile of shit" that this crap load of data probably amounts to;-)
Who cares? Honestly. At no other point in history has this amount of data storage even been conceivable. Sure, in the past, noteworthy exchanges have been recorded, but not every single utterance, pondering, debate, brainstorm, or written word that somebody "in office" had the misfortune of dealing with. I am not in the US and I am not a US citizen (never have been) but, really, is that email regarding the shopping list all that important? Are those mundane communications tossing ideas back-and-forth all that important? Is the colour of the shoes that Mr XXX wore on 99/99/9999 important? I guess to somebody it might be. In 50 or 100 or 200 years I guess that the waste of money that it is will become more apparent. Delete it all and I daresay the rest of the world will move on as if nothing had happened.
I'm not even going to make up something witty; I'll just quote from wikipedia:
1. All men are human
2. Ann is a human
3. Therefore, Ann is a man
Now, that might not be the most appropriate quote, but before you challenge my math skills, please at least read about the subject (and, no, you should not have been challenging my math skills because that has nothing to do with anything I said... read up about that on the wikipedia page I link to).
He's probably new. And possibly trying to defend his job/position. I can't think of any other valid reason for him to put forth these strawman arguments. Well, I can think of a few other reasons...
Heya Rahul. Long time no see. You should consider registering a/. nick. Yeah yeah, I know it's a hassle, but both you and I know you might be taken more seriously if your messages are from RahulSoodDudeEatMyPants rather than Anonymous Coward. Peace and goodwill dude. Cowabunga.
What is dead is the days of companies (like HP) being able to deliver a capable gaming PC. This is much different to "gaming PCs are dead". Rahul Sood's argument is correct though. HP "gaming PCs" really would be difficult to sell. This says nothing about gaming PCs in general though. It merely says that gamers are not looking at HP to fulfil their needs. The argument that Sood is putting forth is a well known fallacy (A means B therefore B means A; HP gaming PCs are dead, and therefore the gaming PC is dead... which is of course rubbish).
This caused a certain amount of self-realization as I then pondered my career... my first job had been a Systems Technictian/Programmer, where I wrote software for a simulator that was used to train Power-Plant operators, which meant I had to learn about power generation and many other concepts (thermodynamics etc etc...). Since then I've had many (probably too many) different roles in a number of different fields, the one thing that was consistant with all of them was the fact I had to learn and understand what my employer did, and wanted to do, to be effective in my job.
I hate to burst your bubble; but what you're describing is not Computer Science either. You're describing the application of Computer Science; i.e. Software Engineering
the one thing that was consistant with all of them was the fact I had to learn and understand what my employer did, and wanted to do, to be effective in my job
Thanks for that Captain Obvious. Isn't that true for any job?
What? Playing Guitar Hero isn't productive? You've been smoking too many lollipops. A good air guitar session in the office always increases productivity. If you cannot play guitar with the team, then what good are you? Alan Cohen from Cisco is extra insightful.
Quote:
"Rock Band 2, World of Warcraft, even Guitar Hero promote the shared experience and are all about how together we can do more".
This guy is a corporate Overlord. If he says we must play more games at work, well you'd better listen up and do just that! Crying and whinging that WoW and Rock Band 2 are too hard isn't going to get you anywhere. He doesn't mention any FPSs, but that's only because he dies all the time. Don't let that fool you though. Big, huge, gigantic multiplayer games is exactly what corportate networks are designed to handle.
Since this story was posted I've been searching vainly for confirmation of that "$30-40k" bonus. I can't find anything concrete. It seems to me a very high bonus to give to every employee.
But there is better places to spend the money than christmas bonuses.
Don't be ridiculous. Is your other name Ebenezer Scrooge?
I personally do not get a Christmas Bonus (although I have other benefits), but I can see why a Christmas Bonus is good. Relatively speaking the "small" gift from a company to their employees can pay for itself. Increased loyalty. Increased work. The feeling that you belong and are valued. These things money cannot buy. A Christmas Bonus, however, can often go a long way towards it. It says "Yep, we've all done well. We're still in business and we can still pay you. Thanks for the work throughout the year". Employee profits. Company profits. It's a win-win situation.
Yeah, ok. I agree with that. But I also don't see why having an OS dedicated to gaming is bad either. If it weren't for driver issues (and this could probably be worked out anyway) I think that an OS designed just to play games would be great. The "OS" would just have to be able to load and support games and do nothing else. I'd buy it. And if XP lost all the crap and became a game only OS then I could live with that as well.
You're missing the point. Maxis is releasing SimEarth soon, which will model weather systems tracking each individual water molecule; geological processes and modeling of the seismic activity including the role every soil particle assumes; the wind velocities inside a tornado; real-time fluid dynamics; life; accurate supernova recreations/simulations; and a whole lot more.
I actually like the approach that Crytek took. Sure, Crysis maxed out is hard to achieve (at the moment) but what is the alternative? A game that does less but can run on high or near-high settings on PC, PS3, Xbox2. A game that doesn't have nearly as many effects as Crysis. Crytek took the approach of pushing technology to its limits. And even then it's not all that hard to get Crysis to run on high settings. It would certainly not cost $4,500. Gimme more games like Crysis instead of game engines designed to run "maxed out" on current hardware.
I admire your dedication. Another way to look at it though is that Windows is the most used desktop OS. Ditching it only means (for now) losing access to the majority of games. Wii and PS3... blah. I much prefer my games running on PC. If that means having to own Windows, then that is how it is for the moment. Windows, for me, is only a gaming OS anyway. Does it really matter if, one day, Windows is a gaming OS and serious stuff gets done in, say, Linux?
It's not a hassle. It's actually very interesting. To enable them to release games simultaneously across different 8 bit platforms they wrote the games to run on a virtual machine. So, to release on another platform all they had to do was port the VM. ScummVM is just another port of that VM. It's an elegant solution. DOSBox can only enable you to play DOS games. ScummVM will allow you to play games never even released for DOS.
Slashdot Mirror
I got the first six words without writing anything down. Maybe they got it mixed up with the kids challenge.
Nearly every paragraph in the "article" begins with a disclaimer that the data (and/or the analysis) are flawed/biased/incomplete/not useful/meaningless!
Wow. Gotta do some quotes:
Firstly - the data is dirty
Nice
Thus it is possible that there is at least somewhat wider contribution than shown
More than possible
This graph is more meaningless than it might first appear
So, why are you basing are fairly hefty part of your argument on it? If it's meaningless, why is it even included?
So the data is not that useful.
No kidding
Is it more useful to look at an individual to see if they are contributing something ?
I dunno. You asked the question. Is it?
Why one hundred ? why not ?
It is clear that the number of active contributors Sun brings to the project is continuing to shrink
Crystal clear.
Novell's up-stream contribution appears small in comparison with the fifteen engineers we have working on OO.o. This has perhaps
Yeah, expand on that conjecture
So, it should be clear that OO.o is a profoundly sick project
Clear? Clear based on all those assertions they made about their data being dodgy? Yeah, umm, ok.
I'm sorry, but this is article is very hard to take seriously.
Evil Ether, I was not really directing my comment at you, or evaluating your first comment. The fact that I replied to you with my ideas was only because your comment provided a nice stepping stone. That and the fact that the "steaming pile of... data" prompted me to think of the "steaming pile of shit" that this crap load of data probably amounts to ;-)
Who cares? Honestly. At no other point in history has this amount of data storage even been conceivable. Sure, in the past, noteworthy exchanges have been recorded, but not every single utterance, pondering, debate, brainstorm, or written word that somebody "in office" had the misfortune of dealing with. I am not in the US and I am not a US citizen (never have been) but, really, is that email regarding the shopping list all that important? Are those mundane communications tossing ideas back-and-forth all that important? Is the colour of the shoes that Mr XXX wore on 99/99/9999 important? I guess to somebody it might be. In 50 or 100 or 200 years I guess that the waste of money that it is will become more apparent. Delete it all and I daresay the rest of the world will move on as if nothing had happened.
I guess I'd be able to develop a better response if the claims were written in legible English.
I'm not even going to make up something witty; I'll just quote from wikipedia:
1. All men are human 2. Ann is a human 3. Therefore, Ann is a man
Now, that might not be the most appropriate quote, but before you challenge my math skills, please at least read about the subject (and, no, you should not have been challenging my math skills because that has nothing to do with anything I said... read up about that on the wikipedia page I link to).
Have a merry Christmas
I didn't say A == B. I said "A means B". Didn't you take kindergarten logic?
He's probably new. And possibly trying to defend his job/position. I can't think of any other valid reason for him to put forth these strawman arguments. Well, I can think of a few other reasons...
Heya Rahul. Long time no see. You should consider registering a /. nick. Yeah yeah, I know it's a hassle, but both you and I know you might be taken more seriously if your messages are from RahulSoodDudeEatMyPants rather than Anonymous Coward. Peace and goodwill dude. Cowabunga.
And, we all know that every year is the year of linux on the desktop and that the year of Duke Nukem is coming.
I hate to break it like this, but Duke Nukem 3D was released in 1996.
He was setting up a strawman argument ;-)
What is dead is the days of companies (like HP) being able to deliver a capable gaming PC. This is much different to "gaming PCs are dead". Rahul Sood's argument is correct though. HP "gaming PCs" really would be difficult to sell. This says nothing about gaming PCs in general though. It merely says that gamers are not looking at HP to fulfil their needs. The argument that Sood is putting forth is a well known fallacy (A means B therefore B means A; HP gaming PCs are dead, and therefore the gaming PC is dead... which is of course rubbish).
This caused a certain amount of self-realization as I then pondered my career... my first job had been a Systems Technictian/Programmer, where I wrote software for a simulator that was used to train Power-Plant operators, which meant I had to learn about power generation and many other concepts (thermodynamics etc etc...). Since then I've had many (probably too many) different roles in a number of different fields, the one thing that was consistant with all of them was the fact I had to learn and understand what my employer did, and wanted to do, to be effective in my job.
I hate to burst your bubble; but what you're describing is not Computer Science either. You're describing the application of Computer Science; i.e. Software Engineering
the one thing that was consistant with all of them was the fact I had to learn and understand what my employer did, and wanted to do, to be effective in my job
Thanks for that Captain Obvious. Isn't that true for any job?
I think you misread the GPs post.
Allow students to advance their CS knowledge if they are interested, and teach everyone else how to use a computer!
To me the rest of malkir's statement was referring to "everyone else"; i.e. those who do NOT want to learn computer science.
What? Playing Guitar Hero isn't productive? You've been smoking too many lollipops. A good air guitar session in the office always increases productivity. If you cannot play guitar with the team, then what good are you? Alan Cohen from Cisco is extra insightful.
Quote:
"Rock Band 2, World of Warcraft, even Guitar Hero promote the shared experience and are all about how together we can do more".
This guy is a corporate Overlord. If he says we must play more games at work, well you'd better listen up and do just that! Crying and whinging that WoW and Rock Band 2 are too hard isn't going to get you anywhere. He doesn't mention any FPSs, but that's only because he dies all the time. Don't let that fool you though. Big, huge, gigantic multiplayer games is exactly what corportate networks are designed to handle.
Since this story was posted I've been searching vainly for confirmation of that "$30-40k" bonus. I can't find anything concrete. It seems to me a very high bonus to give to every employee.
What kind of massages?
But there is better places to spend the money than christmas bonuses.
Don't be ridiculous. Is your other name Ebenezer Scrooge?
I personally do not get a Christmas Bonus (although I have other benefits), but I can see why a Christmas Bonus is good. Relatively speaking the "small" gift from a company to their employees can pay for itself. Increased loyalty. Increased work. The feeling that you belong and are valued. These things money cannot buy. A Christmas Bonus, however, can often go a long way towards it. It says "Yep, we've all done well. We're still in business and we can still pay you. Thanks for the work throughout the year". Employee profits. Company profits. It's a win-win situation.
reportedly as much as $20K-$30K per Googler
Hey. I google therefore I am a googler. Where is my $30K bonus?
Seriously, have Google in the past given Christmas bonuses worth that much? I think I am in the wrong line of work...
Yeah, ok. I agree with that. But I also don't see why having an OS dedicated to gaming is bad either. If it weren't for driver issues (and this could probably be worked out anyway) I think that an OS designed just to play games would be great. The "OS" would just have to be able to load and support games and do nothing else. I'd buy it. And if XP lost all the crap and became a game only OS then I could live with that as well.
You're missing the point. Maxis is releasing SimEarth soon, which will model weather systems tracking each individual water molecule; geological processes and modeling of the seismic activity including the role every soil particle assumes; the wind velocities inside a tornado; real-time fluid dynamics; life; accurate supernova recreations/simulations; and a whole lot more.
I actually like the approach that Crytek took. Sure, Crysis maxed out is hard to achieve (at the moment) but what is the alternative? A game that does less but can run on high or near-high settings on PC, PS3, Xbox2. A game that doesn't have nearly as many effects as Crysis. Crytek took the approach of pushing technology to its limits. And even then it's not all that hard to get Crysis to run on high settings. It would certainly not cost $4,500. Gimme more games like Crysis instead of game engines designed to run "maxed out" on current hardware.
Conclusion, only fat pasty linux users buy dells.
I don't know what to say.
I admire your dedication. Another way to look at it though is that Windows is the most used desktop OS. Ditching it only means (for now) losing access to the majority of games. Wii and PS3... blah. I much prefer my games running on PC. If that means having to own Windows, then that is how it is for the moment. Windows, for me, is only a gaming OS anyway. Does it really matter if, one day, Windows is a gaming OS and serious stuff gets done in, say, Linux?
It's not a hassle. It's actually very interesting. To enable them to release games simultaneously across different 8 bit platforms they wrote the games to run on a virtual machine. So, to release on another platform all they had to do was port the VM. ScummVM is just another port of that VM. It's an elegant solution. DOSBox can only enable you to play DOS games. ScummVM will allow you to play games never even released for DOS.