Personally I don't want to run an OS that I installed in 1994. I have bought a couple new computers since then, and I prefer to have more advanced features and stability, which is why I run win2K.
Quit your crying and go download a warez version of 98SE.
Hey, why won't this firewire harddrive work under macOS6.4?
Oh, and fuck the slashdot lameness filter, compression filter, goatse filter, URL filter, and IP tracker software.
If you would like to here what a pod + a steinberger GMT-7 sound like straight into the board, listen to the right track on troublemint.com's mp3s. Alternately, a Parker Nitefly through a pod is in the left track.
I run a P166 (not even an MMX mind you) and it runs win2k pro just fine. Ok, IE 6 takes 2.5 seconds to start, and my boot time is horrendous (like 1.5 minutes) but the box is so stable I've had to reboot twice in the last year. Not bad for working on the thing 12 hours a day.
You do realize that's only if you win right? If sony wins then the fsf/eff is effuctually bankrupted. Why do you think noone wants to go to court? They have nothing to stand on at the moment.
That's really what I meant, having not a lot of knowledge of the law myself. My real point was "don't listen to these wanks, they really have no idea what they are talking about, no matter how much they act like it".
Pay him $250. Ask him to read your contract and advise you. Don't listen to anything anyone on this website tells you. It will be invalid advice. The previous statement does not apply to me.
Honestly, the best DB's out their are Oracle, Sybase, MSSQL and DB2. None of these are cheap, sybase being the lowest cost. Oracle is still the highest quality over all of these.
And please don't bring up MySQL or postgreSQL (you haven't so far, and I am grateful). If you want cheap web transactions fine, but I am talking about true DB apps where you need row-level locking, rollback, transactions, etc.. all the things That the above mentioned RDBMS's have. I use MSSQL behind a server that gets about half a million hits a day, and it is fine. Granted the machines are dual proc powerhouses, but it runs great. I have Oracle at my clients who have several thousand employees accessing financials. Nothing else could be as solid and run this.
I say this because we/tried/. We spent the money trying to eliminate Oracle's licensing fees. We brought in pros. Noone else could pull it off with any degree of stability.
Anyway, you know what I'm sayin. Right tool for the right job in the end.
I was replying to Hemos asking about the open sourcing of oracle. But since your reading comprehension is obviously at an alltime low, I guess you wouldn't understand that. Another thing, you don't need to post repeatedly about what the article is/actually/ about. I read the article. It had nothing to do with what hemos asked. I am contributing to that discussion. Otherwise you have 10 people saying, "Oh golly, they have an opensourced tool".
Where is the benefit for oracle to OSS? It uses free tools to draw in casual developers, who then become Oracle DBA's. But why would they throw away years of engineering just to give it all away? That's ridiculous. Oracleis one of the most profitable companies in the world. That won't change. Just because a bunch of teenagers don't think it is worth the money, doesn't mean that the people with the money to spend on it agree. There is a reason Oracle can charge per/cpu licensing. It ain't because it sucks kids.
More security issues to contend with. Let's be honest here. How many servers do you really need? For crying out loud, you don't need 19 servers running web pages and DBs and god knows what anymore. Use yous allocated IP's wisely, Nat what can be natted, and let everything else reside peacefully behind that firewall. And wait for IPV6 already.
Access to the source code w/o the high price. Don't underestimate this one. I can't tell you how many bugs I've found in some well-known embedded OSen.
Cost of the os is really infinitesimal to the actual systems design though don't ya think? which brings me to...
Better code/support. There are more people looking at, fixing, & understanding Linux code than for most (any?) embedded OSen. The quality of the code tends to be higher.
We're talking about specialists though. Personally, no matter how good of a kernel programmer Alan Cox is, I don't want him poking
around in my microwaves chips design, because he doesn't know the system. See my point there?
but power isn't always the issue. The reason these things work so well is that they run 1 thing. That's it. Someone else mentioned networking, it's a possibility, but that is possibly too forward thinking. With the changes being made, by the time a feasible netowrked (say) microwave is available, everything will have changed again.
And putting some version of the kernel into an embedded system is still pointless, even if it is open for everyone, as it is useless to all but embedded systems users. And why would any embedded systems company really/want/ an OS os? Their money is really in 'we thought this up and can do it the best, don't buy it from joe compeitor'. The market isn't in a place to accept something like that at this point (IMHO).
I think the only real victory is for zealots who think they are 'beating' MS.
You see, the embedded market is already solid. It is not a fluid entity like say, DB and web servers. The proprietary manufacturers have stuff locked up. MS has little chance to be a big player. Linux has some being a Unix, but it will be a proprietary Linux that even if the code is open, is of no use to anyone else. These guys are coding in languages closer to assembler, not pearl.
As they have little market share. Linux is competing against other closed source embedded systems, most of which most of you have never heard of. Why? Because they go along and they work fine. Here's to hoping this proprietary stuff keeps going. My Microwave works great as it is. I don't want it to signal 11 on me.
this is true, and I even have an 4 digit account that I stopped using when I started trolling. KTB is a 6 digit (high 6) new schooler, but he has adapted very well. Most accounts above 180K or so get so annoyed with trying to play the game here that they end up trolling out of pure disgust. That's what happened to me about 90K;)
I never really got into the whole 'multiple personality' thing. Except when I had signal 11's account. But after that I got kind of bored and stopped. I haven't really trolled since then.
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Quit your crying and go download a warez version of 98SE.
Hey, why won't this firewire harddrive work under macOS6.4?
Oh, and fuck the slashdot lameness filter, compression filter, goatse filter, URL filter, and IP tracker software.
If you would like to here what a pod + a steinberger GMT-7 sound like straight into the board, listen to the right track on troublemint.com's mp3s. Alternately, a Parker Nitefly through a pod is in the left track.
Oh yes, and Michael illegaly deleted Signal 11 posts.
You didn't read the article. It's just that simple.
You do know that Reagan actually said that about the Iran Contras in 1987 right? Oh but, it comes up ina google search, so it MUST be true.
I run a P166 (not even an MMX mind you) and it runs win2k pro just fine. Ok, IE 6 takes 2.5 seconds to start, and my boot time is horrendous (like 1.5 minutes) but the box is so stable I've had to reboot twice in the last year. Not bad for working on the thing 12 hours a day.
fnord!
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So you're trading one set of groupthink for another? How open of you.
Tell that to Tommy Makem
Then how do they sing danny boy?
You do realize that's only if you win right? If sony wins then the fsf/eff is effuctually bankrupted. Why do you think noone wants to go to court? They have nothing to stand on at the moment.
Thanks for the correction!
Pay him $250. Ask him to read your contract and advise you. Don't listen to anything anyone on this website tells you. It will be invalid advice. The previous statement does not apply to me.
how much karma you got yo?
And please don't bring up MySQL or postgreSQL (you haven't so far, and I am grateful). If you want cheap web transactions fine, but I am talking about true DB apps where you need row-level locking, rollback, transactions, etc.. all the things That the above mentioned RDBMS's have. I use MSSQL behind a server that gets about half a million hits a day, and it is fine. Granted the machines are dual proc powerhouses, but it runs great. I have Oracle at my clients who have several thousand employees accessing financials. Nothing else could be as solid and run this.
I say this because we
Anyway, you know what I'm sayin. Right tool for the right job in the end.
That's not a discussion.
This is.
Got it?
Thanks, Cunt.
Where is the benefit for oracle to OSS? It uses free tools to draw in casual developers, who then become Oracle DBA's. But why would they throw away years of engineering just to give it all away? That's ridiculous. Oracleis one of the most profitable companies in the world. That won't change. Just because a bunch of teenagers don't think it is worth the money, doesn't mean that the people with the money to spend on it agree. There is a reason Oracle can charge per/cpu licensing. It ain't because it sucks kids.
More security issues to contend with. Let's be honest here. How many servers do you really need? For crying out loud, you don't need 19 servers running web pages and DBs and god knows what anymore. Use yous allocated IP's wisely, Nat what can be natted, and let everything else reside peacefully behind that firewall. And wait for IPV6 already.
J'ACCUSE!
Access to the source code w/o the high price. Don't underestimate this one. I can't tell you how many bugs I've found in some well-known embedded OSen.
Cost of the os is really infinitesimal to the actual systems design though don't ya think? which brings me to...
Better code/support. There are more people looking at, fixing, & understanding Linux code than for most (any?) embedded OSen. The quality of the code tends to be higher.
We're talking about specialists though. Personally, no matter how good of a kernel programmer Alan Cox is, I don't want him poking around in my microwaves chips design, because he doesn't know the system. See my point there?
And putting some version of the kernel into an embedded system is still pointless, even if it is open for everyone, as it is useless to all but embedded systems users. And why would any embedded systems company really /want/ an OS os? Their money is really in 'we thought this up and can do it the best, don't buy it from joe compeitor'. The market isn't in a place to accept something like that at this point (IMHO).
I think the only real victory is for zealots who think they are 'beating' MS.
You see, the embedded market is already solid. It is not a fluid entity like say, DB and web servers. The proprietary manufacturers have stuff locked up. MS has little chance to be a big player. Linux has some being a Unix, but it will be a proprietary Linux that even if the code is open, is of no use to anyone else. These guys are coding in languages closer to assembler, not pearl.
As they have little market share. Linux is competing against other closed source embedded systems, most of which most of you have never heard of. Why? Because they go along and they work fine. Here's to hoping this proprietary stuff keeps going. My Microwave works great as it is. I don't want it to signal 11 on me.
this is true, and I even have an 4 digit account that I stopped using when I started trolling. KTB is a 6 digit (high 6) new schooler, but he has adapted very well. Most accounts above 180K or so get so annoyed with trying to play the game here that they end up trolling out of pure disgust. That's what happened to me about 90K ;)
I never really got into the whole 'multiple personality' thing. Except when I had signal 11's account. But after that I got kind of bored and stopped. I haven't really trolled since then.