I would say that the world wide web gives corporations and the countries that they sponsor a huge incentive to build empires of influence. As long as someone nation out there somewhere is truly independant, those with Intellectual Property are threatened.
Ukraine's decision whether or not to embed tracking information in the CD stamping systems made there was important enough to the US that they bullied the Ukraine into changing their minds and pursuing a course contrary to their self interest.
You're totally ignoring the points that I've made, and arguing with the points that you think I should have made. Yes, both parties took money from Enron. Enron gave money to hundreds of individuals. That, in itself, is not a crime (though I wouldn't mind seeing campaign donations get a lot more regulation).
What should be a crime is removing federal oversight so that a company can get away with fraud. You've consistently failed to address this point. Likewise, knowing Enron's financial status and continuing to help them should be a crime. It remains to be seen whether Bush will be implicated here. Enron helped determine the actual people in Bush's cabinet, re: the link I posted earlier. They didn't have that kind of influence with Clinton. If they managed to get someone into Clinton's cabinet and I'm missing somthing, post the link and let me know.
The information regarding Bush and Clinton's diplomats was from NPR. I don't have time to post a bunch of links here regarding how lobbying info consistently winds up in Republican sponsored bills, since I'm at work. If you're interested in the facts, you're probably smart enough to research it yourself. If you're only interested in asserting that 'your side is right', nothing I say here will matter much anyway.
... is that it gives prejudice in prosecution that much more power. A selective reading of the evil things that any person has done in their lives can make them seem like a villan, and it is these selective readings that are created in court to support an assesment of a person's character. Those who go against the powers that be can be monitored till they make a mistake (as all humans do) and dragged through the muck for it. Clinton got access to his opponent's FBI files. Bush Senior was head of the CIA, for crying out loud. 'Intelligence' is getting to be somthing that american corporations and politians conduct against one another.
Enron is a Texas based company. "W", if you'll recall, used to be govenor of Texas and his family. So this whole 'Enron happened before Bush got on the political scene' excuse dosen't fly.
You're absolutly right that Clinton helped Enron lobby India and got money for it. Enron spread it's money around quite liberally.
Clinton wasn't the proponent of energy deregulation though, Bush was (and indirectly, many of his friends and 'handlers' as you say.)
Sigs are short, so I couldn't give a detailed explanation of my position, but the republican led push for 'deregulation' has been a disaster and crippled a wartime economy.
The issues here are several;
1. Who were the proponents of energy deregulation that has caused such a huge ethical and financial problem?
2. Who was in a position to know Enron's actual financial condition?
3. Who was responsible for the oversite failure of Arthur Anderson?
Obviously Bush can't be blamed for #3.
#1 and #2 though, fall squarely on his shoulders and those of his 'handlers' to use your term again. ( or associates. I'm not sure if Bush gets handled quite as much as Clinton did)
Taken from http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ enron011210.html (since it's convenient)
As Bush assumed the presidency, Enron had unusual access to the new administration's deliberations about energy policy and appointments to important posts. Lay served on the Bush transition team and helped interview candidates for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which oversees the gas pipelines and electricity grids that are key to Enron's business. Earlier this year, the commission's chairman, Curtis Hebert, who was being considered for reappointment by the White House, declared himself "offended" by Lay's lobbying efforts. Hebert later quit the panel.
Enron alumni also fill prominent slots in the Bush administration. The president's chief economic adviser, Larry Lindsey, and the top trade negotiator, Robert Zoellick, both served as advisers to the company. Secretary of the Army Thomas White was an Enron executive before joining the administration. When he assumed the Army post, White was forced to sell more than $25 million in Enron stock, according to a financial disclosure form he filed.
Hype! hype makes a language powerful! The IT departments are run on hype. It's a hell of a lot easier for business types to understand 'buzz' than actual code. Right? Of course right!
Yup. And Shroedenger had a cat in a box that was both alive and dead. Of course, if he kept it in the box too long and never fed it, it would just be two different kinds of dead.
If Heisenberg had been unobserved throughout the course of the war, it is possible that he could have taken two ( or more ) separate courses of action - both collaborating with the Nazis to make a bomb and trying to frustrate the attempt.
However given the intense observation of Heisenburg by the Brittish at Farm Hall, where his coversations and those of other scientists were secretly monitored, the state of Heisenburg's loyalties should condense into a single course of action, either one loyal to the Nazis or one where he deliberatly sabotaged the project.
Of course, if we knew Heisenberg's exact intentions, we would be unable to figure out just where he stood, and vice versa.
If the federal government dares to intrude upon my corporation again, then I Mog, son of Gates, will will give them a taste of my bat'le. Glory to the empire!
Considering how much it costs to send a pound of anything into space, it's too bad they couldn't just send it into geostationary orbit maneuver it to where a space station could get at it so they'd at least have the spare parts/metal up there.
Of course, my closet is full of old computer parts, so you see how I think.
It seems Amazon wanted to not compete entirely. That seems to be part of the motivation behind selling for less than profit. Kill off the competition so that they can later make a nice profit margin which would be otherwise difficult for an online service since price comparison is too easy.
>The arrogant, customer-abusive tech world could >learn a lot from these people, who offer steep >discounts, stand behind their products, and >actually offer real and free customer support.
Well, fraud is definitly a crime and I don't think the bastards were punished enough for having committed it. Firing people or depressing the stock market is probably not a crime. Not yet anyways.
As for genitals, I doubt they have any, though if that's the case I'm not sure how they managed to screw so many of their employees. Probably hired accountants to do it.
Not that I agree with this argument, but I've heard it posited that if a person isn't a danger to society, his crime should ideally be punished with fines rather than jail time since putting someone in Jail who could be creating wealth creates waste.
Of course, if these people had to take responsibility for their lilly white asses and spend their time in a real max security jail cell this shit wouldn't happen. Either that, or you'd have prison reform really quick.
Well, at least you can play your pirated Bob Marley CD in your Cd player.
Seriously, IP and drug control are very different. IP was never recognized as a 'natural right'. It's an unnatural one, granted in order to increase the knowledge in the public domain. But nations have always had the right to police their borders and make certain substances contraband.
Of course, if NASA believes that bacteria could have come to earth from mars rock, it would seem likely that every planet has a bit of the other planets on it, right? If Eurpoa could be contaminated, then it already should have been.
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People with open minds may want to avoid this book
As long we're on the topic of Disney and private property, wasn't Mickey Mouse supposed to pass into the public domain some time ago?
Disney is keeping him on the corporate payroll only through liberal donations to various polititians.
Disney has long had a problem with the whole 'public domain' thing.
I would say that the world wide web gives corporations and the countries that they sponsor a huge incentive to build empires of influence. As long as someone nation out there somewhere is truly independant, those with Intellectual Property are threatened.
Ukraine's decision whether or not to embed tracking information in the CD stamping systems made there was important enough to the US that they bullied the Ukraine into changing their minds and pursuing a course contrary to their self interest.
You're totally ignoring the points that I've made, and arguing with the points that you think I should have made. Yes, both parties took money from Enron. Enron gave money to hundreds of individuals. That, in itself, is not a crime (though I wouldn't mind seeing campaign donations get a lot more regulation).
What should be a crime is removing federal oversight so that a company can get away with fraud. You've consistently failed to address this point. Likewise, knowing Enron's financial status and continuing to help them should be a crime. It remains to be seen whether Bush will be implicated here. Enron helped determine the actual people in Bush's cabinet, re: the link I posted earlier. They didn't have that kind of influence with Clinton. If they managed to get someone into Clinton's cabinet and I'm missing somthing, post the link and let me know.
The information regarding Bush and Clinton's diplomats was from NPR. I don't have time to post a bunch of links here regarding how lobbying info consistently winds up in Republican sponsored bills, since I'm at work. If you're interested in the facts, you're probably smart enough to research it yourself. If you're only interested in asserting that 'your side is right', nothing I say here will matter much anyway.
that they'll be bringing a webcam on their honeymoon?
... is that it gives prejudice in prosecution that much more power. A selective reading of the evil things that any person has done in their lives can make them seem like a villan, and it is these selective readings that are created in court to support an assesment of a person's character. Those who go against the powers that be can be monitored till they make a mistake (as all humans do) and dragged through the muck for it. Clinton got access to his opponent's FBI files. Bush Senior was head of the CIA, for crying out loud. 'Intelligence' is getting to be somthing that american corporations and politians conduct against one another.
Enron is a Texas based company. "W", if you'll recall, used to be govenor of Texas and his family. So this whole 'Enron happened before Bush got on the political scene' excuse dosen't fly.
/ enron011210.html (since it's convenient)
You're absolutly right that Clinton helped Enron lobby India and got money for it. Enron spread it's money around quite liberally.
Clinton wasn't the proponent of energy deregulation though, Bush was (and indirectly, many of his friends and 'handlers' as you say.)
Sigs are short, so I couldn't give a detailed explanation of my position, but the republican led push for 'deregulation' has been a disaster and crippled a wartime economy.
The issues here are several;
1. Who were the proponents of energy deregulation that has caused such a huge ethical and financial problem?
2. Who was in a position to know Enron's actual financial condition?
3. Who was responsible for the oversite failure of Arthur Anderson?
Obviously Bush can't be blamed for #3.
#1 and #2 though, fall squarely on his shoulders and those of his 'handlers' to use your term again. ( or associates. I'm not sure if Bush gets handled quite as much as Clinton did)
Taken from http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews
As Bush assumed the presidency, Enron had unusual access to the new administration's deliberations about energy policy and appointments to important posts. Lay served on the Bush transition team and helped interview candidates for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which oversees the gas pipelines and electricity grids that are key to Enron's business. Earlier this year, the commission's chairman, Curtis Hebert, who was being considered for reappointment by the White House, declared himself "offended" by Lay's lobbying efforts. Hebert later quit the panel.
Enron alumni also fill prominent slots in the Bush administration. The president's chief economic adviser, Larry Lindsey, and the top trade negotiator, Robert Zoellick, both served as advisers to the company. Secretary of the Army Thomas White was an Enron executive before joining the administration. When he assumed the Army post, White was forced to sell more than $25 million in Enron stock, according to a financial disclosure form he filed.
Hype! hype makes a language powerful! The IT departments are run on hype. It's a hell of a lot easier for business types to understand 'buzz' than actual code. Right? Of course right!
Yup. And Shroedenger had a cat in a box that was both alive and dead. Of course, if he kept it in the box too long and never fed it, it would just be two different kinds of dead.
If Heisenberg had been unobserved throughout the course of the war, it is possible that he could have taken two ( or more ) separate courses of action - both collaborating with the Nazis to make a bomb and trying to frustrate the attempt.
However given the intense observation of Heisenburg by the Brittish at Farm Hall, where his coversations and those of other scientists were secretly monitored, the state of Heisenburg's loyalties should condense into a single course of action, either one loyal to the Nazis or one where he deliberatly sabotaged the project.
Of course, if we knew Heisenberg's exact intentions, we would be unable to figure out just where he stood, and vice versa.
Hmm. This wording sounds a bit unusual for the slashdot editors. Did slashdot get hacked again?
If the federal government dares to intrude upon my corporation again, then I Mog, son of Gates, will will give them a taste of my bat'le. Glory to the empire!
Considering how much it costs to send a pound of anything into space, it's too bad they couldn't just send it into geostationary orbit maneuver it to where a space station could get at it so they'd at least have the spare parts/metal up there.
Of course, my closet is full of old computer parts, so you see how I think.
Yet space agency scientists said there is little risk because most of the doomed satellite will burn up in the atmosphere.
at least a little of the sattelite is going to end up hitting the earth, and it's going to be DAMN HOT!
... starlight, starbright, first star I see toni ... *thud*
It seems Amazon wanted to not compete entirely. That seems to be part of the motivation behind selling for less than profit. Kill off the competition so that they can later make a nice profit margin which would be otherwise difficult for an online service since price comparison is too easy.
>The arrogant, customer-abusive tech world could >learn a lot from these people, who offer steep >discounts, stand behind their products, and >actually offer real and free customer support.
Would they send me a patch?
Well, fraud is definitly a crime and I don't think the bastards were punished enough for having committed it. Firing people or depressing the stock market is probably not a crime. Not yet anyways.
As for genitals, I doubt they have any, though if that's the case I'm not sure how they managed to screw so many of their employees. Probably hired accountants to do it.
Not that I agree with this argument, but I've heard it posited that if a person isn't a danger to society, his crime should ideally be punished with fines rather than jail time since putting someone in Jail who could be creating wealth creates waste.
Of course, if these people had to take responsibility for their lilly white asses and spend their time in a real max security jail cell this shit wouldn't happen. Either that, or you'd have prison reform really quick.
Since when is information a substance?
Well, at least you can play your pirated Bob Marley CD in your Cd player.
Seriously, IP and drug control are very different. IP was never recognized as a 'natural right'. It's an unnatural one, granted in order to increase the knowledge in the public domain. But nations have always had the right to police their borders and make certain substances contraband.
Of course, if NASA believes that bacteria could have come to earth from mars rock, it would seem likely that every planet has a bit of the other planets on it, right? If Eurpoa could be contaminated, then it already should have been.
...t his whole idea of 'airing out my socks' isn't gonna do diddly. right?
People talked about different things on the slashdot LOTR article than would be mentioned in a typical newspaper review.
I didn't see any such conversations regarding Orange County.
Yes, but why can't Katz at least post reviews on movies that aren't so damn mainstream and overhyped already?
I mean, come on! If I wanted a review of orange county I could get it in my local paper.
LOTR I can definitly see being reviewed on slashdot. But this?