Excellent reply, and I'll add that when you get out of school you're very likely to buy shitloads of Green Day CDs. Your "ripping them off" will make money for them.
Thirty dollars worth of coffee?? WTF? Oh, I get it - you're a millionaire record executive (or your dad is) and you hand your kids hundred dollar bills every day. You MUST be. I've never in my life met a teenager "drinking thirty dollars worth of coffee with his friends", and not only was I a teenager once, I raised two teenagers.
The fact is, if I don't hear an artist's work, there is zero chance I'll buy the artist's work. If somebody slips me a CD of his work and I like it, I'm very likely to seek out more, and he WILL get my money.
I'd stop jaywalking and driving over the speed limit. Prostitution is illegal in Illinois, but if I could afford a hooker I'd hire one. The fucking President of the United States doesn't care about "legal", why in the hell should I?
When did they outlaw taping, anyway? And what country are we talking about here; legal WHERE? I understand they collect a tax on blank media in Canada. And what happened to the Home Recording Act of 1976 in the US?
Does somebody have a link to the actual law against taping? Because if it's against the law, I've been breaking it a lot longer than any teenager has been alive, and will CONTINUE to do so. I'll also continue to vote against asshats who want to outlaw NONCOMMERCIAL copying.
What you say is true and accurate, but irrelevent. You're not hearing what I'm saying. At middle C (440 hz) you have roughly a thousand samples per crest. At 15k there are three samples per crest. At three samples there is no way to discern the difference between different shaped waves.
f you want to send the RIAA a message then don't buy the music. Stealing it accomplishes nothing.
I don't think anyone here is condoning shoplifting.
You know, if everybody was truly as intent at getting a point accross as downloaders say they are then there would be a higher turnout for more important issues such as who is running the country.
You must be one of those "they don't vote because they're apathetic" bozos. People stay away from the polls for various reasons; 1)both candidates are equally bad; 2) both candidates are owned by the corporations; 3) neither candidate talks about issues important to them 4) a hundred other reasons way too numerous to mention. But I've never met anyone who doesn't care.
No, it's having to buy XP since I couldn't get drivers for my audio and video for 98, and having to buy a sound card because I couldn't find ANY drivers. Sony's rootkit cost me about $200. Multiply that by all Sony's other victims. It's not bits and bytes, its cold hard cash. Sony and their CEO are evil.
is it ever acceptable for an owner of a work, or their duly specified agent, to protect that ownership
Yes, but only if someone is profiting commercially from it. Nor is it necessary; this isn't trademark, you don't lose copyright like that.
If they're using your work for monetary gain, then I'd say it was moral. But if they're downloading it they like it and are going to buy it. If they have no plan to buy it, you're not losing anything anyway.
Nor do you own the work. You own the copyright. "Intellectual property" doesn't exist in the US Constitutional framework. You own the COPYRIGHT, which is a "limited time" monopoly on the work's sale. You don't own the work. Disney doesn't OWN "Steamboat Willy", they own copyright to it.
Although I've often thought about going after plagairists who have taken stuff I've posted freely on the internet and re-posted on ad-laden sites (making cash off of my work). You think I should? Could I get $6k per violation like the RIAA is? My Quake II cheats page (now on archive.org with my permission, since I let the site die) is possibly the most plagairized thing on the internet. A lot of stuff I posted at K5 is likewise plagairized.
Thoughts, anyone?
I trust, therefore, that your disdain for such a system also means you're not a part of activity that would leave you on the receiving end of a legal suit from the RIAA.
I'm against commercial gain for others' work. And no, the RIAA won't be going after me unless I download some of their crap by accident when looking for indie music. I'm always looking for new artists to support, so long as they're not part of the cartel.
Just because someone dies doesn't automatically invalidate a potentially valid legal claim.
Tell that to Ken Lay's lawyers.
If this has so utterly failed, why not develop the new model that replaces it?
It's already there. Downloads and posted MP3s are being used as advertising to get people to buy CDs and see live performances.
But if you so heartily disagree with the current model, don't steal[1] (or otherwise consume) their goods, or enable others to do so.
I don't. If I wanted a major-label tune (and I can think of only one 21st century band I'd want to, that's Buck Cherry) I'd pick up a used copy. Or are you telling me not to listen to the radio either?
I'd move it tpo Johnson County, just to piss off Chicago. Besides, my plan for cutting Illinois' crime rate by 90%, increasing school test scores by 100% and combatting corruption is to give Chicago to Michigan or Wisconsin and giving East St Louis to Missouri.
We could combat poverty by giving Johnson County to Kentukky.
Unfricking believable! You obviously know nothing about this subject, so please, please keep your trap shut and let the grown-ups talk.
This is "insightful?" Speak of waiting for grownups! If the parent thinks he knows about the subject, perhaps he could enlighten the GPP (which is what the post directly above hod did, explaining the difference between this and bugzilla) rather than flaming as an AC?
How is any insight at all afforded that post? I'd have modded it flamebait. Something is broke here (besides me).
Don't worry, they'd just spend it on repaving the already smooth 2nd street in front of the Capitol in Springfield like they do every 2 years while all the other streets are full of potholes. Or buying more surveilance cameras.
A dollar wasted on unconstitutional legislation is a dollar that can't be spent taking my rights away. Maybe this is a good thing?
Mostly OT What I'm pissed even more than this is the fact that the State Fair sucks this year! No music at the All Purpose Arena where the sound is mostly good, and only two rock acts at the Grandstane, where the sound is worse than any other venue I've ever been to.
The last time I checked, states get all of their income from taxpayers.
Some of those taxpayers have no vote! We have a 7% sales tax, and you still have to pay it if you're 15. If you live in Wisconsin but work in Chicago, you pay income tax but can't vote against Blago.
And we get Federal funds, too. You're ALL paying for Illinois stupidity!
Exactly -- It's just like corporate taxes. Corporations don't pay them, they count them as part of the cost of doing business and recoup those expenses by raising prices on their products. But I expect to be modded down, as the Slashdot crowd doesn't like the natural end result of that line of reasoning.:)
What's wrong with your line of reasoning is that I HAVE TO pay taxes if they're levied on me personally. I can choose not to buy an iPod, so I can choose NOT to pay that particular tax that the corporation passes along to its customers.
The fairest tax is a tax on capital gains. The next fairest is one on corporate income. The least fair is any kind of property tax whatever on anybody or anything. Property taxes should be abolished.
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Excellent reply, and I'll add that when you get out of school you're very likely to buy shitloads of Green Day CDs. Your "ripping them off" will make money for them.
Thirty dollars worth of coffee?? WTF? Oh, I get it - you're a millionaire record executive (or your dad is) and you hand your kids hundred dollar bills every day. You MUST be. I've never in my life met a teenager "drinking thirty dollars worth of coffee with his friends", and not only was I a teenager once, I raised two teenagers.
The fact is, if I don't hear an artist's work, there is zero chance I'll buy the artist's work. If somebody slips me a CD of his work and I like it, I'm very likely to seek out more, and he WILL get my money.
I'd stop jaywalking and driving over the speed limit. Prostitution is illegal in Illinois, but if I could afford a hooker I'd hire one. The fucking President of the United States doesn't care about "legal", why in the hell should I?
When did they outlaw taping, anyway? And what country are we talking about here; legal WHERE? I understand they collect a tax on blank media in Canada. And what happened to the Home Recording Act of 1976 in the US?
Does somebody have a link to the actual law against taping? Because if it's against the law, I've been breaking it a lot longer than any teenager has been alive, and will CONTINUE to do so. I'll also continue to vote against asshats who want to outlaw NONCOMMERCIAL copying.
What you say is true and accurate, but irrelevent. You're not hearing what I'm saying. At middle C (440 hz) you have roughly a thousand samples per crest. At 15k there are three samples per crest. At three samples there is no way to discern the difference between different shaped waves.
Which is why I'm voting "loser party." Most don't, though.
There's a band my daughter used to listen to called "Playground Heroes". Their CDs said "please be kind, burn a copy for a friend."
It's good business. If I get a burned copy of your first CD and like it, I'm very, very likely to buy a copy of your second album.
If I never hear it at all there's no way in hell I'll be buying it.
f you want to send the RIAA a message then don't buy the music. Stealing it accomplishes nothing.
I don't think anyone here is condoning shoplifting.
You know, if everybody was truly as intent at getting a point accross as downloaders say they are then there would be a higher turnout for more important issues such as who is running the country.
You must be one of those "they don't vote because they're apathetic" bozos. People stay away from the polls for various reasons; 1)both candidates are equally bad; 2) both candidates are owned by the corporations; 3) neither candidate talks about issues important to them 4) a hundred other reasons way too numerous to mention. But I've never met anyone who doesn't care.
"Pro-life"? That would be against the death penalty, yes I'm pro-life. But anti-abortion isn't being "pro-life".
Give me a break, put down the slide rule and get some graph paper.
This ^^^^^^^^^^ does NOT sound like this |_|-|_|-|_|
No, it's having to buy XP since I couldn't get drivers for my audio and video for 98, and having to buy a sound card because I couldn't find ANY drivers. Sony's rootkit cost me about $200. Multiply that by all Sony's other victims. It's not bits and bytes, its cold hard cash. Sony and their CEO are evil.
is it ever acceptable for an owner of a work, or their duly specified agent, to protect that ownership
Yes, but only if someone is profiting commercially from it. Nor is it necessary; this isn't trademark, you don't lose copyright like that.
If they're using your work for monetary gain, then I'd say it was moral. But if they're downloading it they like it and are going to buy it. If they have no plan to buy it, you're not losing anything anyway.
Nor do you own the work. You own the copyright. "Intellectual property" doesn't exist in the US Constitutional framework. You own the COPYRIGHT, which is a "limited time" monopoly on the work's sale. You don't own the work. Disney doesn't OWN "Steamboat Willy", they own copyright to it.
Although I've often thought about going after plagairists who have taken stuff I've posted freely on the internet and re-posted on ad-laden sites (making cash off of my work). You think I should? Could I get $6k per violation like the RIAA is? My Quake II cheats page (now on archive.org with my permission, since I let the site die) is possibly the most plagairized thing on the internet. A lot of stuff I posted at K5 is likewise plagairized.
Thoughts, anyone?
I trust, therefore, that your disdain for such a system also means you're not a part of activity that would leave you on the receiving end of a legal suit from the RIAA.
I'm against commercial gain for others' work. And no, the RIAA won't be going after me unless I download some of their crap by accident when looking for indie music. I'm always looking for new artists to support, so long as they're not part of the cartel.
Just because someone dies doesn't automatically invalidate a potentially valid legal claim.
Tell that to Ken Lay's lawyers.
If this has so utterly failed, why not develop the new model that replaces it?
It's already there. Downloads and posted MP3s are being used as advertising to get people to buy CDs and see live performances.
But if you so heartily disagree with the current model, don't steal[1] (or otherwise consume) their goods, or enable others to do so.
I don't. If I wanted a major-label tune (and I can think of only one 21st century band I'd want to, that's Buck Cherry) I'd pick up a used copy. Or are you telling me not to listen to the radio either?
Fucking with a condom on is like eating with tape over your mouth.
I will if they're on the ballot.
I'd move it tpo Johnson County, just to piss off Chicago. Besides, my plan for cutting Illinois' crime rate by 90%, increasing school test scores by 100% and combatting corruption is to give Chicago to Michigan or Wisconsin and giving East St Louis to Missouri.
We could combat poverty by giving Johnson County to Kentukky.
Vote early, vote often!
Unfricking believable! You obviously know nothing about this subject, so please, please keep your trap shut and let the grown-ups talk.
This is "insightful?" Speak of waiting for grownups! If the parent thinks he knows about the subject, perhaps he could enlighten the GPP (which is what the post directly above hod did, explaining the difference between this and bugzilla) rather than flaming as an AC?
How is any insight at all afforded that post? I'd have modded it flamebait. Something is broke here (besides me).
...can stand on its own ball. Ouch.
Huh? How does thinner = autmatically "much more suitable"?
Good point, I know some fatasses that can barely fit through a door.
Don't worry, they'd just spend it on repaving the already smooth 2nd street in front of the Capitol in Springfield like they do every 2 years while all the other streets are full of potholes. Or buying more surveilance cameras.
;(
A dollar wasted on unconstitutional legislation is a dollar that can't be spent taking my rights away. Maybe this is a good thing?
Mostly OT What I'm pissed even more than this is the fact that the State Fair sucks this year! No music at the All Purpose Arena where the sound is mostly good, and only two rock acts at the Grandstane, where the sound is worse than any other venue I've ever been to.
I'm sticking to the Budweiser tent this year
Was this sales clerk just horribly misinformed?
Yes.
Almosy every fucking one of them are LAWYERS. They have no excuse to try and pass an unconstitutional law.
That's why I'm voting Loser Party. I know there's a Green on the ticket, they'll probably be a Libertarian too.
Those who made the decision to do this will face no consequences.
If our next Governor is a Republican I'd call that "consequences". Which is exactly how the system's supposed to work.
The last time I checked, states get all of their income from taxpayers.
Some of those taxpayers have no vote! We have a 7% sales tax, and you still have to pay it if you're 15. If you live in Wisconsin but work in Chicago, you pay income tax but can't vote against Blago.
And we get Federal funds, too. You're ALL paying for Illinois stupidity!
Exactly -- It's just like corporate taxes. Corporations don't pay them, they count them as part of the cost of doing business and recoup those expenses by raising prices on their products. But I expect to be modded down, as the Slashdot crowd doesn't like the natural end result of that line of reasoning. :)
What's wrong with your line of reasoning is that I HAVE TO pay taxes if they're levied on me personally. I can choose not to buy an iPod, so I can choose NOT to pay that particular tax that the corporation passes along to its customers.
The fairest tax is a tax on capital gains. The next fairest is one on corporate income. The least fair is any kind of property tax whatever on anybody or anything. Property taxes should be abolished.