In other words people who are trying to oppose him cannot get any coverage on mainstream media; today the Internet is the only remaining media we can use to spread the word about his crimes, and he wants to block it as well.
The Flat Earth Society was created as a big joke in the first place. Most of the people posting there (myself included) are doing so as a tongue-in-cheek joke.
Yeah, there are a few nuts in there who actually believe it, but you'll get stupid beliefs anywhere.
Untrue. Java is very well-used on the PowerPC architecture, which powers many of the higher-end massively parallelized supercomputers. While the grandparent post is an obvious screaming troll (one hundred times faster? Completely typesafe? Only language with built-in threading?), Java is used pretty heavily in HPC, because the speed differences between it and C++ are frequently not that important compared to the benefits of a managed language.
The big difference between then and now is that Vista offers me minimal benefits, and builds in DRM and other stuff that actually makes it more difficult to use my oomputer the way I want.
You do know that Vista's DRM only comes into play when you go buy DRMed media, right? If you buy MP3s off of Amazon Music Store, they're handled just like MP3s on XP or...well, not like MP3s on Linux; they work better out of the box.
XP had DRM, too. Or did you never use Windows Media Player with a license-protected file?
How exactly are reflection and garbage collection bad? Reflection allows you to work with classes as objects and garbage collection solves a lot of problems that are common for most software designers.
As for languages running on the JVM--how many are supported? How many can you easily get contractual support from Sun or other JVM developers for?
In any case, just adding up the numbers on the Wikipedia pages (languages, not reimplementations of them--so I counted the three different JVM Scheme implementations once):
JVM - 21 CLI - 45 (I may have missed a couple language duplicates)
The introduction of false choice is not competitive. Giving Microsoft's HUGE amount of cash and influence any support is a waste of our time and bad for the market.
No, it's a waste of your time and bad for you. For me, it's quite attractive, because I do not have an unreasonable fear of working on Windows (it's my primary OS).
If there is the illusion of support for a Microsoft proprietary standard it will be exploited by Microsoft against us.
Exploited against you, not me; I develop primarily for Microsoft's market.
History has shown that everyone that works with Microsoft eventually gets screwed.
If you don't give them the chance to become a good citizen, they never will. This is somewhat naive--but I lose nothing if they return to form.
The kind who doesn't want to dick around with xorg.conf for dual-head monitors, who wants to be able to play computer games without issue, and who wants to be able to run Adobe products without the "will it or won't it?" of WINE.
(And who doesn't want to pay a markup for Apple branding for the same hardware.)
Being different, in this case, is worse. It's not as full-featured a model, and those features have value to developers.
X is boneheaded, and while it has a few benefits (X forwarding is nice, and I'm using it for my Google Summer of Code project), I still think *nix would benefit from something more modern at the base of the GUI stack. Not that it'll ever happen, though.
By "sucks," I mean "lacks the ability to hook various events that are often useful for WinForms developers." I'm not a member of the Mono WinForms team, but I gather that most of the hold-up has been emulating these events.
The ones that don't use platform-specific APIs work just fine. Same with.NET apps running under Mono. I'm a student dev for the Mono Project and I'm in the process of writing a service for the Mono Project that runs fine under both Windows and Linux (Windows using.NET and Linux using Mono).
You sure you have any idea what you're talking about?
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2) I prefer a thoughtful, wise, poet captain to a cowboy shoot-from-the-hip and hope everything works out captain.
So in other words, what you're trying to say is that you're a pussy.
I've been thinking about starting a new SWRiP MUD, mostly because I miss the piloting system. That thing was excellent.
I'd like to see X-Wing Alliance in MMO form. Is that too much to ask? :(
In other words people who are trying to oppose him cannot get any coverage on mainstream media; today the Internet is the only remaining media we can use to spread the word about his crimes, and he wants to block it as well.
Hmm.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law: people voted for Hitler, too.
I beat you to this upthread, orry.
There's no belief in trolling.
Unless you're a Scientologist.
>> If I buy a game, and it won't work on my system, I am screwed.
So you don't pirate games with demos, then?
The Flat Earth guys are joking, dude. You just aren't in on it.
Well, you are now.
Another simple way to prove it: go stand on a dock and look out onto the ocean. A ship's sails will appear before the rest of it.
The Flat Earth Society was created as a big joke in the first place. Most of the people posting there (myself included) are doing so as a tongue-in-cheek joke.
Yeah, there are a few nuts in there who actually believe it, but you'll get stupid beliefs anywhere.
Untrue. Java is very well-used on the PowerPC architecture, which powers many of the higher-end massively parallelized supercomputers. While the grandparent post is an obvious screaming troll (one hundred times faster? Completely typesafe? Only language with built-in threading?), Java is used pretty heavily in HPC, because the speed differences between it and C++ are frequently not that important compared to the benefits of a managed language.
The big difference between then and now is that Vista offers me minimal benefits, and builds in DRM and other stuff that actually makes it more difficult to use my oomputer the way I want.
You do know that Vista's DRM only comes into play when you go buy DRMed media, right? If you buy MP3s off of Amazon Music Store, they're handled just like MP3s on XP or...well, not like MP3s on Linux; they work better out of the box.
XP had DRM, too. Or did you never use Windows Media Player with a license-protected file?
The governor refuses his salary. He isn't getting paid regardless.
How exactly are reflection and garbage collection bad? Reflection allows you to work with classes as objects and garbage collection solves a lot of problems that are common for most software designers.
As for languages running on the JVM--how many are supported? How many can you easily get contractual support from Sun or other JVM developers for?
In any case, just adding up the numbers on the Wikipedia pages (languages, not reimplementations of them--so I counted the three different JVM Scheme implementations once):
JVM - 21
CLI - 45 (I may have missed a couple language duplicates)
So...yeah, your citation sucks ass, sir.
Your bridge must be lonely.
The introduction of false choice is not competitive. Giving Microsoft's HUGE amount of cash and influence any support is a waste of our time and bad for the market.
No, it's a waste of your time and bad for you. For me, it's quite attractive, because I do not have an unreasonable fear of working on Windows (it's my primary OS).
If there is the illusion of support for a Microsoft proprietary standard it will be exploited by Microsoft against us.
Exploited against you, not me; I develop primarily for Microsoft's market.
History has shown that everyone that works with Microsoft eventually gets screwed.
If you don't give them the chance to become a good citizen, they never will. This is somewhat naive--but I lose nothing if they return to form.
Setting aside the fact that your definition of "open standard" is nothing like any I can find out there:
2. The authority to specify updates, revisions and newer versions of the standard should be equally available to all implementors.
It is equally available. Suggest a revision, up-down vote of the ECMA folks in charge.
3. Implementors must not be needed to do anything with another implementor.
They're not. It's just easier to pick the brains of other implementors.
The OSI definition is far better, and ECMA 335 fits that bill.
The kind who doesn't want to dick around with xorg.conf for dual-head monitors, who wants to be able to play computer games without issue, and who wants to be able to run Adobe products without the "will it or won't it?" of WINE.
(And who doesn't want to pay a markup for Apple branding for the same hardware.)
Vaporware? Heh, no. What's your email address? I'll put you on the release list. Should be completed and out in approximately a month or so.
When you lack features that developers use, and the competing technologies have them...yeah, you're worse off.
Except that the wrappers are cross-platform; they're made to take advantage of already existing native code libraries (which Java is terrible at).
Being different, in this case, is worse. It's not as full-featured a model, and those features have value to developers.
X is boneheaded, and while it has a few benefits (X forwarding is nice, and I'm using it for my Google Summer of Code project), I still think *nix would benefit from something more modern at the base of the GUI stack. Not that it'll ever happen, though.
When I consider it at a releasable state, I'll be happy to provide you a link.
By "sucks," I mean "lacks the ability to hook various events that are often useful for WinForms developers." I'm not a member of the Mono WinForms team, but I gather that most of the hold-up has been emulating these events.
The ones that don't use platform-specific APIs work just fine. Same with .NET apps running under Mono. I'm a student dev for the Mono Project and I'm in the process of writing a service for the Mono Project that runs fine under both Windows and Linux (Windows using .NET and Linux using Mono).
You sure you have any idea what you're talking about?