MS making a 'better' Linux that is not free would be enough harm to Linux, and thus the GPL proves its worth, unless you have never heard of extend, embrace extinguish...
I am reading so much complaining comments about this decision that I would guess ubuntu is going to be very succesful for this. (Sorry but you guys are simply not good at predicting success or failure...)
Anyways it will not enable them by default it is a misunderstanding , it will enable them on capable systems with good drivers, there's a difference.
Bloat is a complaint that comes from guys with computers they should have trashed 5 years ago.
My computer is 4 years old and it handles compiz fusion with quite some stability, I just disabled it since Java hasn't fixed issues with it.
If you hard core Linux geeks don't like the idea, just... do what you are doing already, use another 1337er distro.
The copyright holders themselves licensed it GPLv2, they added a whole statement to the license saying you can distribute under the terms of GPLv2, thus I am not really sure what the heck the BSD guys are complaining about:
The patch in question was never official, and was actually rejected
The license from the very original authors allowed GPLv2 redistribution - The patch submitter DID NOT RELICENSE ANYTHING.
The BSD License is a permissive one if Theo wants it to be viral he should have made it viral.
Sorry but I think the BSD people and Theo specially are purpotedly making too much trouble out of this , and are also lacking sight to see how in this case, even though the patch was rejected, there was no relicensing, and if there was it would have been legal.
It also looks like Theo is trying to push this topic (heck this issue was solved even one week ago when he made his first comments) to get self promotion, it is not like the BSD guys didn't have relicensing of their own
I actually want to puke out of seeing so many guys showing so little problem when someone turns BSD licensed code into proprietary yet get so zealous about GPL'ing it , and tell it rude, etc. Come one, people this is ridiculous! I am so disappointment at the BSD community that I decided to drop my plans to actually try their OS in a close future.
checked whether my virtual box's XP did it, but I figured out the first thing I did with it was disabling the internet connection for the virtual machine, I feel relieved.
Even in the quoted summary RMS is not saying "don't follow Linus" he is saying "Don't follow Linus if you want to keep your freedom" and the thing is that with a Linus that does not understand how required GPLv3 is and that is so indifferent about the MS patent deals, I am forced to say RMS is right on this one.
I misunderstood you in your last example as if you were saying that procedures required reference arguments all the time. Delphi V5 sounds like 50% of the version I am using right now.
I read it before, this guy is mostly saying that if you spent years implementing MS' binary formats it would be easier to implement OOXML than ODF, once again familiarity is confused with ease of use. Congratulations.
This is a pretty ridiculous suit, how is google (or any search engine) supposed to give accurate search results? Who are you to decide the results are not accurate? If it ranks paid URLs first, why is it bad?
Has the guy making the lawsuit actually paid google or any search engine for the service?
// Illegal syntax, a variable MUST be passed to the procedure.
thank god it isn't like that anymore, at least not in the delphi compiler I am using.
Because of lame reasons I have plenty of delphi projects on win32, I have used delphi for 3 years, and I have learned to hate it. Yep, I hate pascal's syntax, I guess there is some time in life in which the verboness stops appealing you. The lack of a keyword to set result AND exit the function is something you would get to miss if you are used to any other language.
I just can't stand people who think that wanting free (as freedom) software is crazy, religious or unpractical. Mostly because it is actually the opposite, open source is the most practical thing for end users, since they get the advantages from software without having to suffer the problems of proprietary software later. If end users were truly practical they would prefer the open source way.
And if you think Linspire seems really appealing just install KDE to your ubuntu box and get a custom theme, oh god... It is not like Linspire has done much more than just adding KDE and proprietary grabage to ubuntu, things you can do yourself without the hassle of dealing with patent crap from microsoft...
Speed is not enough, speed was never enough. Nobody but you actually cares about speed, make Opera a better "web browser", make it friging open source and then I might try to consider it as an option, seriously, I will not use a defective piece of proprietary software only because it saves me 100 milliseconds , heck I would consider myself the most pathetic person in earth if I really cared about rendering speed, got better things to do than counting milliseconds a page takes to render...
Note to the fanboy mods that modded my previous post down: Now do that again! Let's see how many points can you waste trying to censor the truth
Speed is not enough, speed was never enough. Nobody but you actually cares about speed, make Opera a better "web browser", make it friging open source and then I might try to consider it as an option, seriously, I will not use a defective piece of proprietary software only because it saves me 100 milliseconds , heck I would consider myself the most pathetic person in earth if I really cared about rendering speed, got better things to do than counting milliseconds a page takes to render...
Let me go kinda off-topic, I find it odd that when people talk of the wonders of Linux they are rarely talking about the kernle itself.
Take ubuntu for example, all what makes it "Linux for human beings" are actually things outside the kernel.
More and more the user experiences less of the kernel and more of other things like X or a DE
Everybody (In the linux world) seems to have an inclination about gnome or KDE or another de over windows' and name the advantage
Another big group prefers it for open source in general and not really for the Linux kernel itself.
I like "Linux" for most of these reasons, open source, gnome being customizable in a way I like, the unix file system structure and symlinks. None of this is specific to the kernel itself.
And solaris got symlinks, and is unix like, and can run gnome. This said if it gets a GPL license it will get more attention from the world and if it gets a GPLv3 license I might even consider switching.
Like anyone knows, this all charade originated from a patch submission and not from anything official, regardless of it I find it very odd that the BSD license supporters are making such a big deal of this thing, if you don't want the rest of the world to do whatever they want with your code, then BSD is NOT the license for you.
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Let's have more of these stories!
How about Sony making a console and MS making its operating system ?
Also one about scientologists saying the GPL is anti bussiness.
And obviously, make one about Jack Thompson and Dvorak writing a book together.
MS making a 'better' Linux that is not free would be enough harm to Linux, and thus the GPL proves its worth, unless you have never heard of extend, embrace extinguish ...
seven results! I am shocked and appalled!
Anyways it will not enable them by default it is a misunderstanding , it will enable them on capable systems with good drivers, there's a difference.
Bloat is a complaint that comes from guys with computers they should have trashed 5 years ago.
My computer is 4 years old and it handles compiz fusion with quite some stability, I just disabled it since Java hasn't fixed issues with it.
If you hard core Linux geeks don't like the idea, just... do what you are doing already, use another 1337er distro.
- The patch in question was never official, and was actually rejected
- The license from the very original authors allowed GPLv2 redistribution - The patch submitter DID NOT RELICENSE ANYTHING.
- The BSD License is a permissive one if Theo wants it to be viral he should have made it viral.
Sorry but I think the BSD people and Theo specially are purpotedly making too much trouble out of this , and are also lacking sight to see how in this case, even though the patch was rejected, there was no relicensing, and if there was it would have been legal.It also looks like Theo is trying to push this topic (heck this issue was solved even one week ago when he made his first comments) to get self promotion, it is not like the BSD guys didn't have relicensing of their own
I actually want to puke out of seeing so many guys showing so little problem when someone turns BSD licensed code into proprietary yet get so zealous about GPL'ing it , and tell it rude, etc. Come one, people this is ridiculous! I am so disappointment at the BSD community that I decided to drop my plans to actually try their OS in a close future.
checked whether my virtual box's XP did it, but I figured out the first thing I did with it was disabling the internet connection for the virtual machine, I feel relieved.
Even in the quoted summary RMS is not saying "don't follow Linus" he is saying "Don't follow Linus if you want to keep your freedom" and the thing is that with a Linus that does not understand how required GPLv3 is and that is so indifferent about the MS patent deals, I am forced to say RMS is right on this one.
Going to the bathroom during TV commercials is theft!
Hah, why would it?
I misunderstood you in your last example as if you were saying that procedures required reference arguments all the time. Delphi V5 sounds like 50% of the version I am using right now.
I read it before, this guy is mostly saying that if you spent years implementing MS' binary formats it would be easier to implement OOXML than ODF, once again familiarity is confused with ease of use. Congratulations.
This is a pretty ridiculous suit, how is google (or any search engine) supposed to give accurate search results? Who are you to decide the results are not accurate? If it ranks paid URLs first, why is it bad?
Has the guy making the lawsuit actually paid google or any search engine for the service?
Because of lame reasons I have plenty of delphi projects on win32, I have used delphi for 3 years, and I have learned to hate it. Yep, I hate pascal's syntax, I guess there is some time in life in which the verboness stops appealing you. The lack of a keyword to set result AND exit the function is something you would get to miss if you are used to any other language.
I just can't stand people who think that wanting free (as freedom) software is crazy, religious or unpractical. Mostly because it is actually the opposite, open source is the most practical thing for end users, since they get the advantages from software without having to suffer the problems of proprietary software later. If end users were truly practical they would prefer the open source way.
And if you think Linspire seems really appealing just install KDE to your ubuntu box and get a custom theme, oh god... It is not like Linspire has done much more than just adding KDE and proprietary grabage to ubuntu, things you can do yourself without the hassle of dealing with patent crap from microsoft...
PS: Linspire advocacy is just lame.
What about django ? It is bettart ! This allows python fan mods to give me mod points, do fast.
1. make a country
2. Join ISO as a coting member
3. Say you will vote No with comments
4. ???
5. profit
Dear opera fans:
Speed is not enough, speed was never enough. Nobody but you actually cares about speed, make Opera a better "web browser", make it friging open source and then I might try to consider it as an option, seriously, I will not use a defective piece of proprietary software only because it saves me 100 milliseconds , heck I would consider myself the most pathetic person in earth if I really cared about rendering speed, got better things to do than counting milliseconds a page takes to render...
Note to the fanboy mods that modded my previous post down: Now do that again! Let's see how many points can you waste trying to censor the truth
Speed is not enough, speed was never enough. Nobody but you actually cares about speed, make Opera a better "web browser", make it friging open source and then I might try to consider it as an option, seriously, I will not use a defective piece of proprietary software only because it saves me 100 milliseconds , heck I would consider myself the most pathetic person in earth if I really cared about rendering speed, got better things to do than counting milliseconds a page takes to render...
He said, sex with [i]ugly[/i] people...
haha
Let me go kinda off-topic, I find it odd that when people talk of the wonders of Linux they are rarely talking about the kernle itself.
Take ubuntu for example, all what makes it "Linux for human beings" are actually things outside the kernel.
More and more the user experiences less of the kernel and more of other things like X or a DE
Everybody (In the linux world) seems to have an inclination about gnome or KDE or another de over windows' and name the advantage
Another big group prefers it for open source in general and not really for the Linux kernel itself.
I like "Linux" for most of these reasons, open source, gnome being customizable in a way I like, the unix file system structure and symlinks. None of this is specific to the kernel itself.
And solaris got symlinks, and is unix like, and can run gnome. This said if it gets a GPL license it will get more attention from the world and if it gets a GPLv3 license I might even consider switching.
I am guessing, but perhaps because of the changes that happened last month? Sweeden? New countries added? etc, etc...
Humans designed WGA, afterall.
Like anyone knows, this all charade originated from a patch submission and not from anything official, regardless of it I find it very odd that the BSD license supporters are making such a big deal of this thing, if you don't want the rest of the world to do whatever they want with your code, then BSD is NOT the license for you.