> You declare that the decentralized network is dead
I said it was basically dead for SMTP, thanks to the spammers. And I think it's more like it's moving toward federated, and yes, even balkanized, rather than centralized.
As long as we have "smart endpoint, dumb network", we can always have a decentralized net, and believe me I consider this a good thing. But not all protocols are nor should be so fully egalitarian. Go announce your own BGP4 ASN for example and see how far you get.
There's a lot of kooks with fiery rhetoric who rail and rant with vitriol against people who are trying to keep abuse from taking over the network -- anyone remember Dave Hayes? Anyway, you don't come off like that now... sorry for treating you like one of them.
There used to be a source-only package for the cygwin installer. It seems to have vanished from the installer's list, so this was indeed tricky to track down again. This is a packaging bug for the installer, not a a conspiracy.
As for clamwin and cdrdao, both of them are hosted on sourceforge.
That's a very encyclopedic answer about the GPL. He wasn't asking whether he could resell GPL'd software, he was asking whether he could resell Ubuntu cds. You know, a trademarked distribution?
Your rant about Windows OSS has zero bearing in reality. You clearly haven't installed cygwin, considering that getting the source is literally a single extra click in the installer.
Perhaps it's occurred to you that you can turn your phone off? Or put it on silent? If you have a wife that's that constantly demanding of your attention, then your problem isn't with the technology. No one's forcing you to have one (well, unless you work in IT support or ops), so don't blame the device.
The law firm handling Silverstein's suit posted on SPAM-L trumpeting the news and linked to their filing. It reads like it was written by a Slashdot editor. It's one guy who wants to represent himself as a service provider (perhaps his wife gets her mail from his system, who knows) and hired a bunch of divorce lawyers for the suit. Normally I wouldn't lay very good odds on him, but e360's Dave Linhardt (e360 *is* Linhardt, it's just one lone chickenbone spammer) has quite a history of shooting his mouth off, so he might find a way to bungle it.
> Look to the Russian sites. I select the quality and pay a reasonable price for it.
Yeah, I paid a pretty reasonable price for the stereo sold out of the back of this one guy's truck. You know damn well what you're doing. The RIAA is no saint, but you're in no position to pin this one on them.
> Hoary Hedgehog and Dapper Drake are especially lame.
No, that would go to "Edgy Eft". What the eff is an eft?
(yes, I do actually know what an eft is, that's not the point)
The trend is increasing toward version numbers now. Ubuntu's version of "stable" is 6.06LTS, and neither "Dapper" nor "Drake" appear on the page, just an appended "LTS" (for "Long Term Support").
You still need the adjective for apt repository names though.
I believe the term you're looking for is "Leaky Abstractions", which is Joel Spolsky's term. And it's not intended for languages, but for incompletely-specified abstractions that end up exposing implementation details. Like most things Spolsky, he has a point, but take it with a shaker of salt.
Exposing the implementation isn't even limited to programming. My TV has a pretty friendly interface, connectors that are easily accessible, and two component inputs. Which for some truly odd reason are labeled "YpBpR1" and "YpBpR2" (the capitalization may be off). I know only vaguely what these stand for, but daily I'm mystified why I should care. It's not like the "Tuner" input says "NTSC" or anything.
Much as I can't stand GL, it's curious to point the finger at him when SF was basically dead as a movie genre because it was already associated with cheezy space operas. In fact that was the source of his problems in getting funding! I'm having a hard time following how the blame was reached, unless it was that GL simultaneously legitimized and homogenized the genre -- and that's quite debatable.
One problem is the definition of "sci fi", and whether it has to focus on technology qua tech. If you count "fantasy" in the SF genre, it's a freakin renaissance: look no further than Lord of the Rings and Pan's Labyrinth.
Now if you go by the original movies of the SciFi Channel, I think we can all agree that SF is the pits;)
It's a kid's movie. I think it's spelled with an 's' and not a 'z'. The advertising for it is unescapeable, and my gf for some godforsaken reason wants to see it.
ELF executables are more or less "scripts" for ld.so, but there's no front end executable itself other than the kernel's exec family of syscalls that can invoke one, and exec checks execution permissions. Any reasonably expressive scripting language like perl or python could manage to trampoline an executable into its own address space (hell, shell could do it by fiddling with/proc/$$/mem), but if you can write arbitrary scripts at that level, you can already perform arbitrary operations without such trickery.
Noexec is better for things like fileservers, or for mounting shares from an alien os/architecture where the executables wouldn't work anyway. The hassles of doing it on home directories are probably not worth the protection.
> Twenty-three thousand people is not a small sample size at all; most actual (meaningful) surveys are conducted with considerably less people than that.
Most meaningful surveys sample their population themselves, they don't post up polls and wait for the results to trickle in.
Much as I hate the RIAA, Halliburton and Monsanto are magnitudes more evil.
> The Spamhaus PBL is bad for maintaining a decentralized Internet.
Too god damned bad. Since the current SMTP-based mail architecture lacks usable end-to-end authentication, we're expected to trust any random idiot on random connections, and hey look what we got. If you want your decentralized net back, go do it on another protocol, because as far as decentralization goes, the spammers ruined this one.
Increasingly bots _are_ retrying greylists now, and pretty soon they all will. However, you still have a window to analyze what they tried to send you the first time and simply block them outright if and when they try again.
He's mentioned a grand total of two people that got The Warning. I suspect my local library is a bigger ISP than this fella's. They probably don't even do port25 blocking -- and yes, despite the reports of worms that use the smarthost MX, the vast majority still attempt a direct connection. Besides, if all worms switched to using the smarthost, the bigger ISPs that aren't currently tackling their infestation may suddenly be forced to care when all the zombies start abusing *their* resources.
> If I understand the Lisp machines correctly, they were actually "lisp on the metal".
They were more like lisp accelerators. Current architectures and advances in interpreters would make today's PC hardware pretty competitive with lisp machines (though no doubt an evolution of lisp machines to today's standards would also be impressive). Their real strength (and to some extent their weakness) was in the pervasiveness of the lisp environment -- being able to inspect and modify everything in any running app, with a single toolchain, something only smalltalk really manages to reproduce. The wikipedia article on Lisp machines is quite good -- I suggest starting there.
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> You declare that the decentralized network is dead
... sorry for treating you like one of them.
I said it was basically dead for SMTP, thanks to the spammers. And I think it's more like it's moving toward federated, and yes, even balkanized, rather than centralized.
As long as we have "smart endpoint, dumb network", we can always have a decentralized net, and believe me I consider this a good thing. But not all protocols are nor should be so fully egalitarian. Go announce your own BGP4 ASN for example and see how far you get.
There's a lot of kooks with fiery rhetoric who rail and rant with vitriol against people who are trying to keep abuse from taking over the network -- anyone remember Dave Hayes? Anyway, you don't come off like that now
> The INSTALLER itself is GPL'd, and it's considerably harder to find the source code for it on the website.
http://cygwin.com/setup/
There used to be a source-only package for the cygwin installer. It seems to have vanished from the installer's list, so this was indeed tricky to track down again. This is a packaging bug for the installer, not a a conspiracy.
As for clamwin and cdrdao, both of them are hosted on sourceforge.
That's a very encyclopedic answer about the GPL. He wasn't asking whether he could resell GPL'd software, he was asking whether he could resell Ubuntu cds. You know, a trademarked distribution?
Your rant about Windows OSS has zero bearing in reality. You clearly haven't installed cygwin, considering that getting the source is literally a single extra click in the installer.
I'm not an idiot, Apple.
You're not in AppleTV's target demographic then.
Note to self: don't google for "penetration" at work.
Perhaps it's occurred to you that you can turn your phone off? Or put it on silent? If you have a wife that's that constantly demanding of your attention, then your problem isn't with the technology. No one's forcing you to have one (well, unless you work in IT support or ops), so don't blame the device.
Not having one does save some cash though.
The law firm handling Silverstein's suit posted on SPAM-L trumpeting the news and linked to their filing. It reads like it was written by a Slashdot editor. It's one guy who wants to represent himself as a service provider (perhaps his wife gets her mail from his system, who knows) and hired a bunch of divorce lawyers for the suit. Normally I wouldn't lay very good odds on him, but e360's Dave Linhardt (e360 *is* Linhardt, it's just one lone chickenbone spammer) has quite a history of shooting his mouth off, so he might find a way to bungle it.
> Look to the Russian sites. I select the quality and pay a reasonable price for it.
Yeah, I paid a pretty reasonable price for the stereo sold out of the back of this one guy's truck. You know damn well what you're doing. The RIAA is no saint, but you're in no position to pin this one on them.
> Wrong!!! Cell is optimized towards 4-float vectors of 32-bit floats.
> Wrong!!! Actually, a single code processing step and data should fit in considerably less than 256K.
> Wrong!!! You can break the calculation into many more parts than six.
A most informative post, but did anyone else have that SNL parody of the McLaughlin group going through their heads?
> Thank you oh grand overlord for taking our decentralized network from our unworthy hands.
You're most welcome. Get far playing the oppression card, do you?
It's a beta. Official release target is still April.
> Hoary Hedgehog and Dapper Drake are especially lame.
No, that would go to "Edgy Eft". What the eff is an eft?
(yes, I do actually know what an eft is, that's not the point)
The trend is increasing toward version numbers now. Ubuntu's version of "stable" is 6.06LTS, and neither "Dapper" nor "Drake" appear on the page, just an appended "LTS" (for "Long Term Support").
You still need the adjective for apt repository names though.
I believe the term you're looking for is "Leaky Abstractions", which is Joel Spolsky's term. And it's not intended for languages, but for incompletely-specified abstractions that end up exposing implementation details. Like most things Spolsky, he has a point, but take it with a shaker of salt.
Exposing the implementation isn't even limited to programming. My TV has a pretty friendly interface, connectors that are easily accessible, and two component inputs. Which for some truly odd reason are labeled "YpBpR1" and "YpBpR2" (the capitalization may be off). I know only vaguely what these stand for, but daily I'm mystified why I should care. It's not like the "Tuner" input says "NTSC" or anything.
Much as I can't stand GL, it's curious to point the finger at him when SF was basically dead as a movie genre because it was already associated with cheezy space operas. In fact that was the source of his problems in getting funding! I'm having a hard time following how the blame was reached, unless it was that GL simultaneously legitimized and homogenized the genre -- and that's quite debatable.
;)
One problem is the definition of "sci fi", and whether it has to focus on technology qua tech. If you count "fantasy" in the SF genre, it's a freakin renaissance: look no further than Lord of the Rings and Pan's Labyrinth.
Now if you go by the original movies of the SciFi Channel, I think we can all agree that SF is the pits
It's a kid's movie. I think it's spelled with an 's' and not a 'z'. The advertising for it is unescapeable, and my gf for some godforsaken reason wants to see it.
ELF executables are more or less "scripts" for ld.so, but there's no front end executable itself other than the kernel's exec family of syscalls that can invoke one, and exec checks execution permissions. Any reasonably expressive scripting language like perl or python could manage to trampoline an executable into its own address space (hell, shell could do it by fiddling with /proc/$$/mem), but if you can write arbitrary scripts at that level, you can already perform arbitrary operations without such trickery.
Noexec is better for things like fileservers, or for mounting shares from an alien os/architecture where the executables wouldn't work anyway. The hassles of doing it on home directories are probably not worth the protection.
> Twenty-three thousand people is not a small sample size at all; most actual (meaningful) surveys are conducted with considerably less people than that.
Most meaningful surveys sample their population themselves, they don't post up polls and wait for the results to trickle in.
Much as I hate the RIAA, Halliburton and Monsanto are magnitudes more evil.
> The Spamhaus PBL is bad for maintaining a decentralized Internet.
Too god damned bad. Since the current SMTP-based mail architecture lacks usable end-to-end authentication, we're expected to trust any random idiot on random connections, and hey look what we got. If you want your decentralized net back, go do it on another protocol, because as far as decentralization goes, the spammers ruined this one.
Increasingly bots _are_ retrying greylists now, and pretty soon they all will. However, you still have a window to analyze what they tried to send you the first time and simply block them outright if and when they try again.
> The solution is to mount home directories noexec by default.
/bin/sh $HOME/.malware.sh
$
He's mentioned a grand total of two people that got The Warning. I suspect my local library is a bigger ISP than this fella's. They probably don't even do port25 blocking -- and yes, despite the reports of worms that use the smarthost MX, the vast majority still attempt a direct connection. Besides, if all worms switched to using the smarthost, the bigger ISPs that aren't currently tackling their infestation may suddenly be forced to care when all the zombies start abusing *their* resources.
> If I understand the Lisp machines correctly, they were actually "lisp on the metal".
They were more like lisp accelerators. Current architectures and advances in interpreters would make today's PC hardware pretty competitive with lisp machines (though no doubt an evolution of lisp machines to today's standards would also be impressive). Their real strength (and to some extent their weakness) was in the pervasiveness of the lisp environment -- being able to inspect and modify everything in any running app, with a single toolchain, something only smalltalk really manages to reproduce. The wikipedia article on Lisp machines is quite good -- I suggest starting there.
> I think this is a shining example of the kind of copyright abuse that really should be prosecuted.
Lemme look this up...
Special Pleading: See Apple Inc.
Parody is protected, no thanks to the people who would like to see it prosecuted.
(you may now wipe off your monitor if you read that aloud)
> Just wait till they go to cashless floors and someone engineers a jackpot for themselves.
That would be a neat trick to do with the end-user UI of a slot machine. Physical security is a pretty important first step.
> The big-digital-bank-robbery just hasn't happened yet.
Actually, when you look at identity theft and fraud, you can see it's happening every single day. Think breadth and not depth.
Don't forget that they also gave it half the RAM of a 360.