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Apple TV Already Being Hacked
TunesBoy writes "Only a couple of days after being shipped, the Apple TV is already being modified in a variety of ways. A thread at Something Awful discusses installing VLC, and a dedicated site, AppleTVHacks.net, has appeared and is cataloging hacks including a hard-drive upgrade tutorial. Did Apple intend for the Apple TV to be so easy to upgrade and hack?"
That way they'll save a lot on support (you hacked it, then we don't support you). And later it'll be a lot easier to "open it up" to comply with EU ruling ;)
When I saw the AppleTV announced, my reaction was lukewarm, mostly due to limited format support. Apple can get away with it on iPods, because you don't generally put every piece of video you have on your iPod. Conversion isn't as much of a hassle as a result. With the AppleTV, you might as well stream every piece of video to your TV, and format support kills that. I'd rather get Core Duo Mac Mini that has more available options (like 1080p playback), add some adapters, and hook that up instead. Now that the AppleTV can support more formats, I must admit that it's looking like a more attractive option, although I'd still probably cough up the extra for a Mini.
When something is popular or well-known enough, it's bound to be hacked at some point. This is even more the case with proprietary products, where the incentive is a lot greater. Take a look at the PS3 for example: Linux was ported to it almost right after it came out.
"All you need is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." -- Mark Twain
Now I'm definatly buying one...
It's cheap, runs OS X and can decode HD. Excellent deal.
It's not very hard to forsee hacking of a small silent computer in a settopbox housing. There are countless sites that try to DIY such a thing. Now what happens if a popular brand introduces such a thing at an affordable price?
They will not sell that much more hardware directly, but the PR image they create with it is worth a lot, and all they had to do is produce something decent.
Linksys is a very good past example of this: their wrtg routers were nice to modify and already ran linux. I bought one for myself to play with and later advised my brother to get that brand. Marketing is easy if your customers start doing the selling themselves.
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"All you need is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." -- Mark Twain
I don't think it really matters whether apple "intended" it to be easy to hack, I think it's more of the fact that every single piece of "cool" hardware with the potential for added functionality has been hacked or broken within an extremely short amount of time. Maybe rather than intending it to be easy to hack, Apple instead decided to not spend as much money on implementing all kinds of crazy protection schemes, thus allowing a higher profit margin. Which, in my mind, makes a hell of a lot of sense! :
.. something... PSP for example; I don't know exactly what the point of locking it down was, but obviously it didn't help much. Kinda like anti-features, or un-products; you have all this potential and you lock it down. Lucky for us, apple isn't quite so far up their own butts as Sony and whatnot are, so we have a sweet new product that we can do sweet stuff on without having to go through hoops to crack it! :)
It does seem like the norm these days is for companies to build equipment with huge amounts of power, but then they lock it down in an effort to.. protect.
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I don't think it was intent to "be easy to upgrade & hack" as it was realizing how much time & resources get wasted by other companies trying to achieve somthing that's not possible.
Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
MS had to be careful with their XBox, because they were adopting the Sony approach: sell the hardware at a loss, and make money on the software (games) afterwards.
Historically, Apple don't sell at a loss. I'm pretty sure that (even at the low price of $300 for a 1GHz/256/40G PC in that form factor) Apple will be making money off this - they don't care if you hack it.
In fact, the more hackable it is, the better - jo(e) public buys it so (s)he can watch their iTMS movies on the big screen, the geeks buy it to hack it. Box numbers go up either way, which helps Apple PR, and helps them persuade people they have *the* viable platform for the home.
I wonder how long it'll be before the USB-2 port is made available (it is running OSX, after all), at which point you get an external 1T drive on it as well, in one of the mac-mini style enclosures...
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I think that's the important question. If all rev2 models will only run Apple signed binaries, then we'll know Apple's intentions.
It's tempting to buy one now in case they decide to toughen it all up in the future. And that's my tip for any device you may want to hack sometime in the future.
Here, Apple is only supporting formats THEY own, so they can spend the money on the hardware. Hacking it only drives up their market share, and to the complaint that people are watching all these unlicensed formats on it Apple can say "Hey, we didn't do it." But you still bought a box from them.
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I'm not an idiot, Apple.
For a meager $399, I could get an Xbox360 with all these features AND dvd playback. It even does Hi-def downloads, Live Arcade games, and awesome AAA titles (GTA IV, Devil May Cry 4, (possibly) MGS and FF). That's got a remote, Windows Media connectivity, etc- and is expandable to play HD-DVD, potentially Blu-Ray in the future if it "wins".
It'll even play music off your iPod. Unless you buy ALL your tv off of iTunes, why would you get this? I'd just get a 360 for this money. Both are simple to use, also.
You can probably rip those videos into WMV if you really set upon it.
Clearly, either of these devices can be modded- but I'm talking from a consumer standpoint.
over at awkwardtv.org we're basically doing the same thing. wiki at http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/
Here, Apple is only supporting formats THEY own, so they can spend the money on the hardware. Hacking it only drives up their market share, and to the complaint that people are watching all these unlicensed formats on it Apple can say "Hey, we didn't do it." But you still bought a box from them.
According to the specs, the Apple TV supports AAC, MP3, AIFF, Apple Lossless, WAV, MPEG-4, H.264, JPEG, BMP, GIF, TIFF, PNG.
The only format Apple owns is Apple Lossless audio. The others are industry standards. AAC, Advanced Audio Coding, is part of the MPEG-4 specfication although I belive it doesn't need to be licensed (unlike MP3 which requires a per-machine license). MPEG-4 (aka MPEG-4 part 2) and H.264 (aka AVC: Advanced Video Coding aka MPEG-4 part 10) also require licenses.
I'm not sure if JPEG requires a license, probably depends on the lawsuit of the day.
I want to see somebody make a USB2 TV tuner dongle for the Apple TV, or, failing that, an entire mini-DVR that provides its video to the Apple TV over a USB2 mass storage interface.
Apple TV is neat and all, but I still want to record most of my shows myself.
To illustrate my point: when the studios started selling TV series episodes on DVD, I didn't throw out my VCR and Tivo! I do continue to buy new movies and TV series on DVD, but I also still do a lot of recording of my own. One of my TVs has a built-in VCR that still gets a lot of use, as does my Tivo, especially for timeshifting 1 - 48 hours until I have time to watch my favorite shows... many of which I enjoy, but wouldn't want to buy on a commerical full season DVD.
Does that make any sense? Or am I the only one who still records?
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Can somebody tell me how Apple TV is somehow better than buying a long VGA cord and hooking it up to my TV. I mean, sure, most TV's don't have VGA inputs, so the Apple TV wins out on connection method. And most people don't have an extra video card, and where are they going to buy that. Heck most people don't even have a computer in the same room as their TV, and it's a good thing that Apple TV cost less than the price of a minimal computer.
Which ASIC maker do they use for the video codecs?
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Oh, sir, how confidently you speak! How authoritative you are! You must be very well-informed on this subject and confident of your own knowledge!
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yeah, like microsoft.com!
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This "install VLC" article discusses the installation of an SSH server and Perian, NOTHING about VLC.
We can't all live artsy iLives, I suppose. Looks like a stream of photographs of trust-fund riding scenesters. Is this supposed to intimidate me?
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In my experience, mac users are generally just obnoxious non-technical types who've taken on a vogue bastardized form of tech-evangelism. They don't think, they don't tinker- they're web designers (appearance, no functionality), livejournal trash (psych drugs and tears), blog journalists (all voice and appearance), and digital artists ("I didn't know adobe made products for windows!")
These people are all very impressive, but I'm pretty sure the guys who write their model/artist paychecks (so they can buy shrooms and go to ironic dive-bars) are using Windows.
At the core, they're buying slightly outdated hardware with a smooth, unix/NeXT based OS with a larger marketing budget than field of vision.
I got a second hand Mac Mini G4, not because I am cheap, I just don't want Intel in my living room. Fan etc. It works perfectly as a real computer, its hard drive is a bit slow but enough.
.avi or .mov stuff, they are containers. The codec is what matters.
Why I wouldn't buy any media player from Microsoft? They tried push their own closed, monopoly inviting codecs and failed. How many WMA files are on pirate networks? How many WMV? I don't want to get prisoned in their platform. If I buy Apple TV and lets say, Apple dies tomorrow, I will still have MPEG standard movies in my library. In fact, I could say "Hmm, Apple is not good" and move to another platform of my choice including Linux.
If you rip your movie to WMV you are telling you won't have any OS or platform except Windows. Lets say you rip to H264 , a handheld like PSP or Nintendo may play them when they are converted (not transcoded) their bandwidth,screen specs.
ps: Don't get confused about
Would it be overly naive to think that, perhaps Apple learned something from Tivo? Perhaps the non techies will enjoy it for its form and function and a broader range of techies will will enjoy it for its possibilities. I say broader for we all know that it will be hacked it's just a question of how hard and how much effort is required.
...that is of course if Apple is smart and puts all the video conversion logic into the iTunes software where they can easily add more formats as they come out and use the computer's processors, which get updated as people buy bigger boxes.
Ok, more to the point: I look at this and see more than a DVR. I see a $299 (very) small form factor computer with a Pentium M (per Anandtech), 100base-T ethernet and wi-fi. $299 is dirt cheap and there's a lot you can do with a lowly Pentium M... It doesn't have to run Linux as long as it's installed OS can be modified.
Linksys is an example of a company which apparently DOESN'T want its hardware to be purchased by DIY-ers.
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Witness the Series 5 and Series 6 WRT54G routers; they stripped down the NVRAM to emasculate their equipment to the point that it's no longer desirable for general applications.
A better analogy, IMHO, is in the automotive industry: so many people were "ricing" out their Honda Civics that Toyota said, "How can we compete with that?" and introduced the Scion -- with a *TON* of aftermarket kits.
If Apple is going to continue to be a hardware company, then by all means it makes sense for them to say, "Here's an affordable, attractive set-top appliance... Do with it what you please."
I'd love to see them merge the &Apple;TV [sic] and the Mac Mini into one product -- much like they combined the iPod Mini+Nano -- a general purpose WLAN device, with aftermarket adapters for connecting to Composite, Component, S-Video, VGA, DVI, HDMI, or whatever new L-M-N-O-P interface comes out next year. A Core Duo chip is more than capable enough for decoding A/V streams; a 120GB 2-1/2" HDD is big enough to hold a hundred compressed movies, and 802.11n is fast enough to stream HDTV from one room to another.
I'd be shocked if they couldn't put together something like that for the same cost as an XBOX 360...
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So for only $100 more than the Apple TV, you get a device that is:
1) Much larger
2) Much noisier
3) Lacks HDMI output
4) has media support as an addition, not as the primary foucs of the device.
The two are almost totally seperate devices. I'll grant that if you are getting a 360 already then you have many features which are duplicated by the Apple TV. But the AppleTV is aiming at a much broader market than a game console (and this includes the PS3) can really reach I think.
Furthermore by focus, I really mean focus - as in the AppleTV is dedicated to ease in delivering internet video to your TV. Not even just any video like DVD or newer HD disc formats, but just IP video. That kind of focus usually results in a simpler system that is more appealing to people in that is does what it is meant to do very well.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
(s)h(it).
I don't get why anyone is buy these things the Galaxy IPTV looks about the same, is the same size, but has support for XVID and DIVX. They cost about half as much as the AppleTV does on ebay.
or are people just taking it at face value? Gizmodo has already speculated that the changes of it being real are pretty slim. surely there is someone on Slashdot with an Apple TV box willing to try it out and report?
I had the same problem with Video on iTunes. After a little searching about I found someone that recommended playing them in QuickTime. It was a hundred times better. The same video on the same system played flawlessly. You might give it a shot.
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Not if you are Mexican (and dont pronounce the "j")
Don't forget half the space.
Ask and ye shall receive.
:) How much does everybody wanna bet that Apple scraped and scraped away at OS X to make sure it could run in as little RAM as possible? Why? Because they wanted to make sure that if anyone found a way to run "real" OS X on it, it would be close to useless because of the small amount of RAM. Sigh.
Lemme get this straight.
They can create a $299 box with TV-out that has a discrete graphics controller built in, but they can't put one into one SINGLE model of Mac Mini? Wow.
This is both sixteen kinds of lame and sixteen kinds of awesome.
Lame because it shows Apple's massive, needless markup.
Awesome because, hey - $299 Mac with TV-out AND discrete graphics!
Of course, there is the teensy matter of the 256MB of non-upgradeable RAM, but what do you expect for $299?
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Those Galaxy units on eBay are probably being sold so they can buy themselves an AppleTV that actually works...
Go and do yourself a favour and buy a Squeeze Box.
Its Wifi, DivX, mp3, ogg support and all the goodies you need, with a remote - it totally rocks.
http://www.slimdevices.com/
Now imagine apple porting itunes using XNA to the xbox 360.
Very possible, easily done.
MS would cry foul, but if that fails, apple could just make an xbox 360 game (cheap basic one, any crap) and include
itunes360 on the disc for free.
As a 3rd party developer they could do this, im not sure what MS can do, or if EU can tell MS, to allow it or die.
Failing that, port itunes/appletv app to Ps3 linux, theres your free appletv box.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
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A basic 2.6ghz box with HD everything, $369, appletv $480+ here.
SUre its a lot damn bigger, but can do a hell lot more.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
How much does everybody wanna bet that Apple scraped and scraped away at OS X to make sure it could run in as little RAM as possible?
... because RAM costs money. Given that they had probably already decided on the price point (based on what people will pay for such a thing), the more they can cut down on the hardware, the bigger the profit margin.
I'm absolutely sure they did. They would have been stupid not to.
Why? Because they wanted to make sure that if anyone found a way to run "real" OS X on it, it would be close to useless because of the small amount of RAM. Sigh.
An interesting conspiracy theory, but here's one that's slightly easier to believe: they minimized the amount of RAM
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Apple definitely did not do anything to keep anyone from changing anything about the AppleTV. I'm not even entirely positive I would call that hacking - they added some components to the version of OS X running on the AppleTV. This is nothing at all like the PSP.
It's easy to use and works seamlessly?
People already have their movies and music and pictures on their PCs or Macs. Now they want to easily show them on the TV. AppleTV does that, 360 does not do that.
Yes, people will pay for simplicity. That is something many Slashdot commenters do not seem to understand. Why buy an AppleTV if the 360 does so much more? Because people aren't willing to invest time in getting their stuff to run. This may be hard to understand, but some people do not perceive setting up electronics as a valid hobby.
My sister always ends up having to make the girl scout camp DVDs they hand out to parents. Why? She has an iBook, and all the others have Windows PCs. She's the only one who can figure out how to do it. Hell, my mom, who is a school teacher and was never able to figure out how to save a word document to a floppy (she's not stupid, she's just scared that she'll break something if she does something wrong) actually has figured out how to use iMovie and iDVD all on her own.
There's definitely a difference between a Windows PC and a Mac.
...that sells nice big coffee tables that will nicely show off your ever-expanding range of Apple products to all of your friends.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
If all rev2 models will only run Apple signed binaries, then we'll know Apple's intentions.
What's in it for them? They're not selling games that they get a kickback from, they're not selling it under cost and making it up on content, or on services... the AppleTV hardware isn't worth $300 by any stretch of the imagination. There's no loss to them if you buy it and "hack" it.
Not that I'd classify installing a binary on a hard drive a "hack".
You probably wouldn't want people hacking into your real-time swarming video distribution system getting movies and TV shows for free.
If they were going to do that, wouldn't it be easier to do that with the computer that's actually running the software (iTunes) that's doing the distribution? AppleTV isn't even potentially part of any "real-time swarming video distribution system".
Unless cracking the box open requires some particular cleverness.
Installing a program on a hard drive on a computer that's got absolutely no protections against installing programs on it hardly qualifies as a "hack".
Looking at the forums pointed to from this story, it's amazing how naive a lot of these wannabe "hackers" are. You've got folks asking, apparently seriously, whether you can run Power PC binaries on the AppleTV. I mean, really...
There are MUCH more interesting tricks the AppleTV and its baby copy of OS X might make possible.
It's a computer and it has an Ethernet jack (wi-fi too, I believe, although I didn't RTFA.)
It's a stripped down Mac running a stripped down version of OS X 10.4.7 (Tiger). All the software in it is open for you to examine.
Why should Apple pay all the bandwidth charges if they can get us to provide all of it, for free?
Why would Apple do that ONLY for the iTunes customers who happen to have an AppleTV, when they could get so much more from putting it in iTunes?
The point isn't that AppleTV isn't capable of being used as part of a "real time swarming distribution system", it's that iTunes is even more capable... and it's a more profitable place to put that functionality, if they were going to do it at all.
I'm not paying money to have full screen video when I can use any number of other video players for free. True I can't play a MOV file easily without it, but I don't consider that to be a loss. Maybe on OS X it's good, because it forms the backbone of the Mac's entire video system in a similar way to Windows and Media Player, but outside OS X it really is that dumb, crappy video player that hits me with nag screens about "Going Pro" every time I use it.
(Don't get me started on the Macromedia Shockwave Flash player...)
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I don't think we'll see iTunes on the PS3 either, however Apple and Sony acually have a pretty good relationship even thouh they compete on a lot of fronts - Sony's US president was on the stage with Jobs a year or two ago, touting the new HD video camcorder (which works great with Macs).
There are many divisions of Sony besides the computer and music portions, and I could see the gaming unit cut some kind of deal with apple to possibly play protected AAC even if they would not port all of iTunes over. But I don't know if Apple would feel that detracted too much from AppleTV to bother with.
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for you to refrain from putting "APK" at the bottom of that post?
Did you have to backspace over it again and again, each time finding that you couldn't resist typing it?
(Also, for the record, I was a field service engineer for a major photo company's digital minilab equipment for 4 years and got more in compensation per year than you will ever manage to pull down as a salary. Your sad lack of reading comprehension skills will ensure that, my friend.)
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When you buy an AppleTV, you get the box and Apple gets $299 from which they are going to make probably $25 in profit. You then go about your business of using the AppleTV while Apple goes about their business of designing products. They already made their money off you, and you already paid your share. If you want to sit on AppleTV to keep your ass warm that is your prerogative.
... the AppleTV plays standard video so it is equivalent to a DVD player, where the hardware maker has to recoup up front because you are going to play content from many sources, even making your own. The optical disc has been replaced with Wi-Fi and a hard disk cache, and the MPEG is 4 instead of 2 but all those changes are merely due to the century. You pay a typical consumer electronics price point for a box you plug it into a TV, take remote in hand, and begin self-medicating, just as with a DVD player.
... good fucking luck. Your next-generation DVD player is here and it is an AppleTV or something very much like it.
... you get what you pay for in either case.
AppleTV is not equivalent to an XBox or PS3 where you buy the box at a loss and buy matching software titles that only work on that box
The only people who should be buying Blu-Ray and HD DVD players are the curators of museums of failed consumer electronics technologies. The idea that you're going to sell a YouTube user a Blu-Ray disc player for $500 and then all new discs at $25 a pop per title, each one bigger than an iPod, more delicate than a DVD
At $299 the AppleTV fits well into Apple's Mac lineup, where Mac mini starts at $599, so they don't have to discourage you from comparing AppleTV to Mac mini. The sub-GHz Pentium M in AppleTV is no match for the Core Duo in Mac mini, and all the other specs are similarly halved to match the price. You don't get away with anything by purchasing an AppleTV instead of a Mac mini
Can you really change to a different store with your Apple TV? In iTunes I can only buy from the iTunes store. Of course I can buy stuff somewhere else and import it into iTunes (of DRM allows), but inside iTunes I can't.
I doubt that AppleTV allows shopping somewhere else. Of course I can transcode my DVDs to H264 and watch them with Apple TV, but this is a violation of the DMCA.
Did Apple really open their DRM for AppleTV?
Bye egghat
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel
It makes perfect sense. I have one of these DVD recorders, and I use it to do essentially the same thing. One DVD-RAM holds up to 8 hours of TV, so it works great for catching up on TV that runs late at night or when I'm too busy to watch it.
There's nothing magical about DVD-RAM. DVD-RAM discs have the same capacity as any single layer DVD disc. What this means is that your DVD recorder has the ability to record up to 8 hours of video on a single layer DVD-RAM disc. The bit rate required to do so would be well below VCD bitrates, which are generally considered low quality. I'm glad this is working OK for you to record 8 hours per disc, but I don't think I'd be real happy with the results. By the way, you forgot to mention that DVD-RAM discs are expensive and difficult to find in the USA, so I'd say it's arguable as to whether or not this would be a good solution for a lot of people.
Some posters have said that they want an a La Carte service compare to Cable. I hate the cable monopoly as much, but the business model is going to have to be something new. Buying episodes for 2-3 dollars is going to get expensive plus all other TV events ie sports, American Idol and my wife's favorite the food network. I guess it boils down to how many hrs of TV you watch a day. No matter what it is going to take a massive paradigm shift to get people away from their tvs. I do alot of timeshifting with Bittorrent but I like to have the TV on in the background when I am working on my computer or playing WoW.
To use Divx they would have to license it, but why can't they use Xvid?
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It's funny that everyone's comparing the ATV to the 360 or PS3. A modded "classic" Xbox is about 1/3 cheaper and does everything the ATV does and far more.
/.ers but if you're looking for something like this, Google "XBMC" - It'll blow you away!
I realize that the ATV isn't targeted towards
as usual, APK. Being able to combine mechanical skills, electrical engineering and Windows system administration and networking, it turns out, is not terribly common.
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and it becomes more and more apparent with every AC sockpuppet post you make. I love how you suddenly start trying REALLY HARD to change your "voice" for all your sockpuppets right after I note how easy it is to figure out it's really you.
Before, it was trivially easy. Now it's slightly more difficult, but you still use the word "kid" and the phrase "just a student" in the same way. "Top flite" is also a phrase singular to you. I remember, because I was there when you spammed your shit all over Ars years ago.
It's really quite pathetic how you need to fork all these APK child processes in order to make it look like everyone is "behind you." Here's a hint, you silly twit: NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THESE EXCHANGES OTHER THAN YOU AND I. It's just delicious, it really is: you start making an effort to disguise yourself right after I note the ease of identifying you and you claim I can't possibly know who you are because I'm not a forensic linguistic analyst.
As you would say, "MAN, THIS IS TOO GOOD, NO SHIT! LOL!"
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I'd forgotten about the price differential between Core (even Core Solo) and something like Dothan. IIRC it's the same chip used in several UMPC-format devices.
Yeah, my MBP has an x1600 w/128MB of RAM and it seems to do quite well. I guess an x1300 would be bare minimum if you really wanted useful 3D.
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Just tuck your tail between your legs and admit you've been beaten. You lost when you replied to my first post that hooked you perfectly, and have continued to lose as I've caused you to continue to waste your time.
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Congratulations, APK, you have officially jumped off the deep end into complete loony-tunes land.
Think about this for a second: You have allowed someone you don't know who matters exactly ZERO to your life to get you so riled up that you're GOING ON GOOGLE IMAGE LOOKING FOR PICTURES OF HIM TO POST ON SLASHDOT.
Damn, you fail at life. Did you suddenly turn white after you posted this and think "oh, Jesus. What the hell did I just do? How did I let him get to me like that??"
I never had to Google you to call you a pathetic loser who is obsessed with his own internet celebrity, whining to a website which is completely indifferent to you about how you're being oppressed. Though I confess I'm mystified that you don't appear to have called for help from all of your sycophants at TPU. "IT'S A KEEPER LOL!"
Come to think of it, this is a lot like when you scoured the web looking for pictures of Jeremy Reimer when he too called you a narcissistic fool. Now Jeremy is a paid reporter for Ars Technica and you're still just a jackass who re-implements grep to search through the registry.
I win again. Please, stalk me some more! Continue to prove me right, you bizarre, self-important waste of space.
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I am not apk, get that out of your head, finally, ok? You are paranoid about it, no questions asked, but then, you always started up with him didn't you?? And, don't try to play smart with me you doltish lying moron: Your attempts at psychiatry are hilarious, and again, where's that PhD of yours?
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You asked for this - now, you've got it!
About Jeremy Reimer: Ask him why his website for OSY had to get moved from his ISP/BSP/Hosting provider, along with his buddy Jay Little's website as well, Jeremy's pal. Ask Reimer why he was busted by his ISP for email harassment, ok?
Jeremy Reimer (no degree in computer science and NO PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE EITHER, some authority, lol, not!) resorted to writing a libellous tune about apk, and an edited photo of him... mainly because he is a nothing, just like you, liar!
Great showing (not) for such an 'esteemed' arstechnica (house of losers online, like YOU lol, you filthy little nerd liar... stupid liar too, you got caught)
In fact, some evidence to all of that, see here:
http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?ar
And, since you said Dr. Russinovich is 'so great', then WHY did apk catch him in a ROOKIE hardcode then @ that same url, and why won't the 'great doctor' respond?
In essence, if Dr. Mark R. is 'so great'?
Why did APK have to tell Dr. Russinovich, a Phd in this field no less, how to fix 1 problem his pagedefrag program had & still has, and he had 3 more of the same nature in his pagedefrag program of the SAME NATURE, and it is still broken that way because he fixed the 1 spot APK noted the way apk said to, but overlooked the other 2-3 spots that have holes in his work.
Why? Because even Dr. Mark Russinovich of Microsoft took a dump to apk, 'great' as Dr. Mark R. is!
In fact, he used to work with apk for the same company from what I read there @ that url. Still, fact is, I have never ever seen APK lose a debate online in fact. Ever.
You are busted, arstechnica loser... just another lying arstechnica loser, exposed. LOL, I LOVE IT! You're all TOO STUPID to match wits with me, let alone apk. He has dusted you idiots so many times online in technical issues, and on catching jerks like you in lies, it is outright awesome. I think it's funny too. He exposes arstechnica for what they are: Charlatans, and losers.
Oh, the 'grad student' thinks he knows how APK's program works, that is a laugh. Well, again: What have you done better, big talker? NOTHING. What a laugh you are.
I am going to post the post that has you spooked and caught in lies every where you post from now on here, to shame you right off this forums, and elsewhere online. You arstechnica losers, lol, you are mostly all too stupid to live! You evidence this for everyone here @ slashdot.
Maybe I'm Jeremy, come back to show everyone what an obsessive little idiot you are.
Or maybe I'm Jay Little.
Maybe I really am a girl, laughing at how you couldn't possibly get any from me.
Well, if you're not APK, my friend, you really need to find yourself another hero, because you sound EXACTLY like him.
Wish I could tell you what I accomplished tonight, but unfortunately that's got to stay under wraps until after we publish.
(Of course, I DON'T wish I could tell you, because that would totally ruin my fun. Can't have that.)
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Yea, ok - "We believe you" (not!), you have been exposed as the weak pathetic liar you are below, with your OWN words.
(AND, You got ALL kinds of shook up, saying I 'googled you' a couple posts back, & that is exactly what gave you away: The photos are you!).
If you like to lie, @ least be good @ it, ok? Your weak mind is not sharp enough. If you intend to stay in this field, I hope your brain gets smarter/stronger (somehow) because as is? You show you are VERY stupid, & very arstechnica, lol!
After all: YOU, starLOSER, have been caught lying & are yet another arstechnica forums scumbag exposed.
NOW, AS FAR AS SELECTIONS OF "HEROS"? Well, apk is not my hero, but he is decent unlike yourself, and has actual things he has done of note in this field, and you do not, & neither does your 'hero' Jeremy Reimer the loser. See below!
It's reevaluation time for you I would say, as to your choice of heros (since you dispensed that advice to me, & your advice rookie, I won't take, and certainly not that of a liar like you) because you act just like your 'hero' Reimer (a deceitful worm, who like yourself, got caught b.s.'ing & lying, impersonating others, & more), see below in the E.G. 2 & 3 areas.
That all said, I'd take APK over your arstechnica losers like these 2 in Jeremy Reimer the charlatan and Jay Little the fat failure, anyday!
Now, here on this site though? LOL, you WILL be continually exposed as an outright liar in each of your posts here on this forums from now on, guaranteed, as I said I would.
E.G. #1: StarKruzr said he was a woman here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227475&cid=184 94155
StarKruzr is not a woman though (but sure is a liar, another Jeremy Reimer/Jay Little (arstechnica morons who operate the same way and get caught everytime) style liar, lol, & like they, got his ass beat in thru his own dishonesties) and is from Staten Island NY, and this is him:
http://gallery.r3v3ng.net/albums/BoardyPhotos/jare tt_katey_maria.jpg
ROTFLMAO, but surely he isn't much of a man either. Look at that flabby little dweeb!
(No wonder he is pissed @ apk who has actually accomplished things of good note in this field, where StarLOSER here, has none when I asked him about them since he put apk and myspace.com down).
Anybody that looks like this little flimsy freak will never get laid, not by pretty women @ least. (I mean, lol, just look @ those hounds he is with, lol!)
Yes, yet another arstechnica liar, lol, another arstechnica weasel liar caught in the act again, ROTFLMAO! Why? Too stupid. Most arstechnicans are.
Thanks again for this evidence of that, how scumbag'ish arstechnica people are, yet another one for my books, and yes, apk's too, because I wrote him about this.
E.G. #2: Jeremy Reimer (your "hero" who has no degree in comp. sci., not even an A+ lol, let alone an MCSE & no professional experience in this field either, & yet you think he is an expert? LOL! You ARE a fool, aren't you!)
At BEST, he makes $100 per 'article', & I earn that in 1 hour, each day! Then again, I actually possess degrees and decades of experience in this field, like APK has as well, unlike the MORONS from arstechnica you 'worship', lol. YOU CANNOT BE A GRAD STUDENT in this field, no way, if you believe JEREMY REIMER is a computer expert. lol... far from it.
Arstechnica are ambulance chasers that spit back what they read from others is all, derivative DRIVEL, everytime, & just recently here on slashdot no less they reposted what was on ExtremeTech a year ago regarding IBM using channels on their cpu's to cool them, no less as evidence of THAT? See here -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/co
Graduate school is where you go to get a Ph.D. or M.S., you silly ass. I love that you actually think you've "caught me" in something. Perhaps you would know this if you weren't a high school dropout.
APK loses again. This is getting really embarrassing for you. You should probably quit your copy and paste routine now before you get laughed off the Internet. Because, you know, everyone's watching.
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Yeah, look me up in Staten Island, O Ye Who Can't Even Put a Link Together Correctly. See how far that gets you. Don't you know my real name is Jeremy Reimer, I mean Jay Little, I mean Robert Brick, I mean Jessica DeGiorno, I mean Melissa Lederach? ;) ::kiss kiss:: If you ever meet me you'll Ctrl-Alt-Delete me, right?
::wink wink nudge nudge::
Jesus, you are the dimmest bulb I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. You silly ass.
Just give up, APK. You've lost horribly and just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. And stop pretending to be someone else already; that schtick got old back when you were spamming Ars.
Take a hint from the fact that no one other than you and I have commented on these threads: NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT. YOU DON'T MATTER. The sooner you realize that and let go of your towering ego, the better off you'll be.
In fact, let's talk about something else. How 'bout those Yankees, eh? Remember, opening day is this Monday. I'm pretty psyched for this season; no more Bernie, but Pettitte's looking good. REAL good, if you know what I mean.
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Inquiring minds want to know, lol: Are you a woman or a man?? Do you even know???
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E.G. #1: StarKruzr said he was a woman here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227475&cid=18
StarKruzr is not a woman though (but sure is a liar, another Jeremy Reimer/Jay Little style liar, lol from arstechnica, and that gets very old) and this is him:
http://gallery.r3v3ng.net/albums/BoardyPhotos/jar
Also, what is getting old is a little dweeb like you attacking your betters.
I did write apk and he told me to just ignore you, and that he did what he had to regarding yourself in this thread:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&thresh
I read it, and I agreed that you lost that debate badly for trying to flame others and were modded down and beaten on a simple question: The same one I asked you as well, of what have you done better than apk, or myspace.com.
You had zero to show for yourself (other than thinking you going to school makes you his or any pro's superior in this field. Maybe one day you will be, but apparently due to your lack of results and production? Today is not that day.)
And, what threat? Just a word of warning is all it was.
Can't you read??
Giving others a hard time is something that never works out well, and if you are from Staten Island like you say, you ought to know how New Yorkers can be about things like that. I've seen it, I lived there in 2000.
However, your saying you are a woman here and you're not? LOL, nobody is going to believe anything you say, and by this point I certainly don't. Either you are having some personal identity crisis, or are severely mentally disturbed (this I have little doubt of, you are wasting your time on your constant behind the back attacks of apk), or just a plain old liar. In any event, you are not looking very credible on any account.
Either you are having some personal identity crisis, or are severely mentally disturbed (this I have little doubt of, you are wasting your time on your constant behind the back attacks of apk), or just a plain old liar.
The fourth option, which you are apparently too stupid to think of, is that I am making up all kinds of shit to fuck with you because it entertains me to do so.
Also, I never said I was from Staten Island. You did. I never said I was the girl in that picture either, you did.
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"Take a hint from the fact that no one other than you and I have commented on these threads: NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT. YOU DON'T MATTER. The sooner you realize that and let go of your towering ego, the better off you'll be" - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday March 29, @04:57PM (#18534667)
I just quoted you and have a question to ask. If no one is looking, how come moderation happened on various posts here in this exchange and also why am I looking?
I saw the post about agree and disagree and saw that someone posted about you saying you are a girl and then photos of you not being a girl. What is the scoop on that?
Also I took a look at what this apk person here supposedly wrote (I cannot see where he is apk, I only see anonymous like myself) and he makes a strong point. I post as anonymous so people like you who harass others online cannot find me.
I also saw that it was you that first started it, and cut him down, in the urls posted from this site here. He never started with you.
Now you are saying he is insignificant in that quote above, and yet he was able to put up wares that seem good. I tried that registry engine thing. It works better than the one I was using in ashampoo's model in fact.
I also looked up his name online and he has done a great deal of material others use to good advantage.
If he is so insignificant in this field, then how come you cannot meet his challenge then of showing him better things than he had done?
He may be insignificant, but since you have not done as much in my opinion, you are less than that since you can't disprove his point about that. It is a strong point. You also talk a great deal and cut others down including apk and myspace but have not done a thing worth noting yourself.
Your logic is poor, and buddy, that's lame.
At this time also, based on looking at your postings about being a girl and now being caught as a guy? You're a liar obviously.
how come moderation happened
What moderation? I was modded Offtopic once and Insightful twice. That's nothing compared to the 50-some-odd posts you and I have gotten to -- and you have YET to log in to post anything.
Hm. You may be referring to the fact that all these posts have been variously rated at 1 or 2. This is because my karma is so good that I can choose to post with a +1 bonus. This is enabled by default, but I usually turn it off when "discussing" with you because I see no reason to bring all of this into the browsers of people who browse at +2 or higher, as it's irrelevant and completely pointless. Sometimes, however, I forget to check "No Karma Bonus." Alas, I am but a man. Or a woman?
He may be insignificant, but since you have not done as much in my opinion, you are less than that since you can't disprove his point about that. It is a strong point.
This is not a strong point. It's a retarded point. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is a basic logical tenet. I choose not to expose any of my work in computer architecture and system design to you because it amuses me. I don't have to "prove" anything to you in order to validate my opinion that you are a narcissistic, unintelligent blowhard, APK. Anyone who has read these exchanges would be able to verify that -- but then, no one's reading them anyway, save whoever modded me down that one time and whoever modded me up those two times. These are not statistically significant events. So I guess no one will ever verify anything, and you will be left where you were when you started -- bereft of support, bereft of evidence, and bereft of a clue.
Anyway, I'm going to the movies. Maybe I'll take a date. But will it be a man or a woman?? A gay man or a gay woman?!
MAYBE I'M A LESBIAN TRAPPED IN A M-TO-F TRANSEXUAL MAN'S BODY!!! OHNOES!!!!11
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haha i dunno man, it loosk like hes really making u guys look like idiots. i mean damm this has gone on for his whole comments page now. so funny lol
Chiming in here and haha, it is funny this battle these 2 people starkruzer and this other anonymous dude are having and that is how I got into this too by looking at starkruzers post count history page because of his saying he was a girl and then not and back again. I think the dude that starkruzer is putting down is trying to make a point he can be just as big a pain in the ass as starkruzer's been to he by exposing starkruzer as a liar about his saying he was a girl and then turning up a guy which is funny as shit I thought. Tell you the truth after seeing how starkruzer busted his balls I would do the same. I never saw where this apk guy started trouble with starkruzer and I looked at his post history to find out if starkruzer is justified in his trying to make the guy look stupid and I don't think he looks stupid. In fact this apk appears to be quite the reverse of stupid. I looked up apk and his real name and it seems like he did some decent stuff over time and I actually downloaded his registry thingamajig to try it after I looked on the forums where it was posted and it got good decent reviews. I will try it later tonite. I saw twice where starkruzer started a fight with this apk guy, but never where apk started with starkruzer though, this much I am aware of at this point. I don't think it's right starkruzer's doing this to him, but I am not he and he may have reasons but I can't find any I can relate to. Still, this is me only, and I am just offering my personal opinion. It would be different if the apk guy started with starkruzer first and starkruzer was just retaliating. I can understand that much because I would do the same. I also still would like to know if starkruzr is a girl or guy too.
Excuse me, did you just compare yourself to Tim Berners Lee?
And are you so insecure about your gender (and certain in your narcissism that your experience is the same as everyone else's) that you think it actually embarrasses me to have someone point to a post where I called myself some gender that I wasn't?
Man, Alec. I don't even know what to say. Congratulations, you have officially struck me SPEECHLESS.
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I think it's HILARIOUS to harass YOU online. Just you. Only you.
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"Also, I never said I was from Staten Island. You did. I never said I was the girl in that picture either, you did." - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday March 29, @06:16PM (#18536049)
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I never said you were a girl, YOU did, lol! Here is the posting where you did:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227475&cid=184 94155 [slashdot.org]
You are a guy, or look like one, sorry to tell you, lol... NOT A WOMAN, even though you said you were, lol! You surely act like one, rotflmao.
More typical arstechnica forums members online lies, now from this nut StarKruzr (from Jeremy Reimer's disciple, lol, he gets caught in lies like Jeremy Reimer: The ULTIMATE liar, pretending to be some computer expert, yet has no degrees in computer science, nor even A+ or MSCE certs, or years if not decades of professional experience in this field in the trenches), that starts up crap with everyone?
Well, LOL, StarKruzr said he was a woman here:
StarKruzr is not a woman though (but sure is a liar, another Jeremy Reimer/Jay Little (arstechnica morons who operate the same way and get caught everytime) style liar, lol, & like they, got his ass beat in thru his own dishonesties) and is from Staten Island NY, and that is him in the photo above.
Yea, ok. You're right I did, but, with good reasons, see below and lol, especially above. You are such a liar, you just will not stop will you? StarKruzr from Staten Island.
StarKruzr
Geek Apprentice
On your being starkruzr and from Staten Island?
Posts: 49
From: Staten Island, NY, USA, Earth, Sol System
Registered: Jul 2000
That's from this site -> http://www.geekculture.com/ultimatebb/Forum11/HTML
You're from staten island and being named Jarrett, we already know this is your photo at this point and if you note it's name? You see Jarett in that photo name. Again: You are a guy, or look like one, sorry to tell you, lol... NOT A WOMAN, even though you said you were, lol! You surely act like one, rotflmao.
http://gallery.r3v3ng.net/albums/BoardyPhotos/jare tt_katey_maria.jpg [r3v3ng.net]
Though it may come as a shock to you, considering your pud's probably too tiny to see, lol, you probably THINK you are a woman, lol! But, you are a guy, or a liar... lol!
Again, note the jpeg's name?
AND THIS THREAD HERE SHOWS YOU ARE MATCHING AN EMAIL TO YOUR NAME starkruzr, to jarett
http://www.opacity.us/search.php?q=starkruzr%40sta rkruzr.com&submit=search&where=comments&u=1#result s
Posted by: Jarett
Hi guys, Anyone know what her name is? starkruzr@starkruzr.com
Man, You're a TOTAL liar. Are you proud of this?
Because if so, do not consider politics as a career. If you do, I am talking to the next Richard Nixon, and lol, certainly NOT George Washington ("I cannot tell a lie") lol... except you are chopping down your credibility faster than George Washington could whack down his cherry tree, & your own lies are the axe, lol!
Man, you are TOO easy to see through & far too easy to prove you are a liar.
What a waste of time, I am dealing with a total liar! Another dishonorable arstechnica coward, oh well, typical of them!
"I think it's HILARIOUS to harass YOU online. Just you. Only you." - by StarKruzr (74642) on Friday March 30, @12:21AM (#18539431)
One who thinks it's cool to harass others online, by putting down others as well who have created decent tools for others to use like myspace & apk's registry tool program, as you see above.
Yet when asked if he starLOSER had done better? StarLOS
Pretty soon I'm just not going to be able to reply to you anymore because I'll be too busy yawning. Can't you stop cutting and pasting and do something original?
Why don't you write another rant about how great you are and how APKTools got 5 stars on ZDNet?
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APK's tools did get 5-5 stars @ Zdnet & CNET from 1998-2004, that's true. So did tools like WinRar or WinZip for instance in that same timeframe. How about something you've done like it, "ne'er do well"? Rotflmao, the question you always evade in the 'patented arstechnica manner' lol??
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Have you done anything of note better than that we can see or use? No?? Again, didn't think so. Whenever you arstechnica dolts get asked that question, the trollers among you like Jeremy "no degree in comp. sci., no certifications even, like A+ or MCSE, and no years of professional experience in computers" Reimer? You crumble under pressure and evade the answer lol!
Yes, Jealous losers/ne'er do wells like you have to cut others down who have done well, including myspace which you also put down. You have nothing more to do than 'trolling others' and actually being proud of it, lol! You arstechnica people are like big talking idiots yet none of you have accomplished anything of any kind of note in this field themselves (other than the late Roelof J. Englebrecht, who apk sent code to and the poor guy died, and also James Hanrihan, who is pretty good @ drivers creation (those guys don't troll others though like you do, or lie), and most of you arstechnica jerks all lie and get busted for it time and again, lol, instead of being productive.
Proof you lie ontop of being a lazy blowhard??
"Also, I never said I was from Staten Island. You did. I never said I was the girl in that picture either, you did." - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday March 29, @06:16PM (#18536049)
I never said you were a girl, YOU did, lol! Here is the posting where you did:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227475&cid=184 94155
You are a guy, or look like one, sorry to tell you, lol... NOT A WOMAN, even though you said you were, lol! You surely act like one, rotflmao.
More typical arstechnica forums members online lies, now from this nut StarKruzr (from Jeremy Reimer's disciple, lol, he gets caught in lies like Jeremy Reimer: The ULTIMATE liar, pretending to be some computer expert, yet has no degrees in computer science, nor even A+ or MSCE certs, or years if not decades of professional experience in this field in the trenches), that starts up crap with everyone?
StarKruzr is not a woman though (but sure is a liar, another Jeremy Reimer/Jay Little (arstechnica morons who operate the same way and get caught everytime) style liar, lol, & like they, got his ass beat in thru his own dishonesties) and starLOSER is from Staten Island NY, and that is him in the photo below and his name's jarett.
You are such a liar, you just will not stop will you? StarKruzr from Staten Island?? You said it on other forums.
StarKruzr
Geek Apprentice
On your being starkruzr and from Staten Island?
Posts: 49
From: Staten Island, NY, USA, Earth, Sol System
Registered: Jul 2000
That's from this site -> http://www.geekculture.com/ultimatebb/Forum11/HTML
You're from staten island and being named Jarrett, we already know this is your photo at this point in the url below, and if you note it's name? You see Jarett in that photo name. Again: You are a guy, or look like one, sorry to tell you, lol... NOT A WOMAN, even though you said you were, lol! You surely act like one, rotflmao.
http://gallery.r3v3ng.net/albums/BoardyPhotos/jare tt_katey_maria.jpg
Though it may come as a shock to you, considering your pud's probably too tiny to see, lol, you probably THINK you are a woman, lol! But, you are a guy, or a liar... lol!
AND THIS THREAD HERE SHOWS YOU ARE MATCHING AN EMAIL TO YOUR NAME starkruzr, to jarett
what
Why is it required for me to own a car in order to know that your car is a piece of garbage?
I never said my software was better than yours. I said yours was objectively bad.
I've also noticed that your "registry engine" is no longer available for download. Wonder why that is? Probably because of all the drama you stir up around your "software."
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