There are plenty of other OT laws that were either reinforced or at least not superseded in the NT but are forgotten by mainstream Christianity.
And that's fine by me. To build on CTG's point, just be consistent. Don't tell me homosexuality and teaching evolution are sins because the Bible is the literal word of god, and then not circumsize your sons or get your ears pierced.
My counter argument is that, as one would logically expect, the Old Testament laws that haven't been superseded by the New Testament retain their authority.
To my eye this reads like the pick-and-choose approach to the Bible. Which, to be fair, is the official doctrine of some sects.
For instance, to borrow your example of eating a ham sandwich, one can argue that it's acceptable because Jesus said it isn't things that are eaten that make one unclean but rather the condition of one's heart.
So that makes sodomy OK?
To back off my original point a bit, I imagine there a good number (yet a very small percentage) of Christians who are consistent in practice--such as some Amish and Quaker communities, churches with the official stand that the Bible is not absolute and should be interpreted for current society.
But to press the point for the rest of the hypocrites, restrictions on the clergy are justified based on the notion of being christ-like. Christ never married so clergy must be celibate. All the disciples were male so no woman priests.
But Jesus also never flew in a plane. Never drank pasteurized milk. Never sought to establish the kind of buerocratic infrastructure that exists in the major Christian sects. Jesus was more like the Muslims in that respect.
And you've assigned the blame to a small sect in the Roman catholic church, when there's small sects in nearly all religious groups that don't practice what they preach.
I'm sure I'll be modded flamebait or troll, but this is a serious question. I really want to know.
Is there any sect of Christianity that practices what it preaches?
For example, do the old testament rules apply or not? When it suits their agenda, the old testament is the unerring word of god. When they want a ham sandwich, the old laws don't apply any more; they've been superseded by the new testament.
And so fie on your sense of hatred of Christians-- it's a small orthodox lunatic minority that gives Christianity a bad name.
Taking the Roman Catholics as an example, the number of pedophile priests is an extremely small percentage of the clergy worldwide. Then look to the number actively participated in the cover up and enabling of pedophiles--the bishops, the cardinals, the pope--it's quite a bit more than a "small orthodox lunatic minority" giving Christianity a bad name.
But back on topic, the issue here is not some law might allow the inclusion of intelligent design in science class. The issue is, the legislature shouldn't be setting curriculum.
If you increase the lifespan of the average human to 1000 years would they remain fertile in proportion? Would a women remain fertile until about age 350?
No.
Also, would a child not encounter puberty until age 130?
No.
Did extending the average lifespan from 50 to 80 change onset of puberty from 7 to 13? Why would extending mortality from 80 to 1000 would cause puberty to move from 13 to 130? And actually, in some populations puberty is moving younger due to environmental hormones.
Social constructs would change--kids would stay in school longer, live in parents' basement longer before being considered a loser--but that wouldn't change the biology.
I guarantee I remember less about 10 years ago than I did 9 years ago.
Really? As the wikipedians say, citation needed.
First you'd have to establish a decrease in the direct memories of those events 10 years ago. Second you'd have to show any increase in memories about what happened 10 years ago do not outweight the lost memories.
On a single, otherwise unremarkable memory, you're probably right. I remember more today about eating lunch today than I likely will tomorrow, which is more than I will remember in a year, etc.
But take a remarkable event, such as high school graduation. For me, graduating from college provided new context for my high school graduation. What was similar/different in the ceremonies, what personal changes were signified, what changes were anticipated.
I likely remembered more about my high graduation 5 years after than I did 1 year after. Memories are not photographs we take out from time to time. They're more like drawing on an etch-a-sketch on a bumpy bus ride. We are continually redrawing as we remember.
Not for nothing, and having nothing to do with the topic at hand...
But to be fair to them, my CFO asked a little while ago if the power problems we had were a result of her sending an email to Iceland. After all, it must take a lot more power to push the message that far than to push it across the street.
And she was wrong? Does it not take more power to transmit data half-way around the globe than to send it acorss the street? The difference isn't enough to dim the lights in your office, but still, the internet is more like a series of tubes than like a dump truck.
I could mod you down, but instead I'll say, some apples do cost 17,000 times as much as some oranges.
Next you'll be comparing the price of gasoline to printer ink, if we filled our ink jets by the gallon.
What if you pre-paid for 40,687,488,000 Kilobytes worth of text messaging? I can get unlimited text and picture messaging from verizon for $80/month.
Seriously, the monthly cost of a T1 vs. a single text message? For your next trick, can you compare the per pound price of a mature bull at auction vs. what I pay for the New York strip at Bugaboo?
A marginally interesting question would be, why is the retail price of text messaging going up when the prices of most other modes of electronic communication are going down?
And the answer is, no one is forcing you to text message. If you don't like the price, don't buy it.
It's a Computer Science degree, not a "Programming degree"
It's like saying, I just graduated from some culinary academy, but I don't want to be a waiter.
Since this shining star wouldn't mind a job with some programming I'll add, most programming jobs only have some programming. There's documenting business requirements, translating those into technical specifications, tracing the reqs and specs to test cases, documenting use cases, analyzing risks and modes of failure, and so on.
But judging by the question, my best advice for the OP is to practice the phrase, "would you like fries with that."
However, that map was proven inaccurate as the mapping around the area it was purported to come from was WORSE than the mapping of North American, which makes no cartographic sense. People have better maps of where they come from and worse maps of where they just explored.
What you're saying is, the actual migration was from North America to China, and not vice versa, as was originally surmised.
Who the fuck would tell their kids its called a cookie while trying to keep them sheltered from sex?
Your current mod is 'funny' but should be scary. What happens when that little girl tells her parents Johnny touched her cookie? Little Johnny gets the perp walk out of school in cuffs when he just wanted Susie to share her oreos.
True story: my SO recently went on a business trip to China and brought back gifts for my 3 nieces. When I asked my 5-yr old niece if she wanted a gift from China, she said no and walked away. This from a girl whose usual response would be, "I'll take that and what else do you have for me?"
I mentioned her unusual behavior to my sister, who told me 'china' is what my niece calls her cookie.
Now it's a funny story to file away for a wedding toast when she grows up, but at the time there was some nervous laughter. All we needed was for her to tell some friends or a teacher about her visit from uncle mcmonkey and how he had a gift for her china.
A round trip flight from NYC to LA in 1965 cost $220. That's $1,450 in 2007 dollars. Now that same flight runs $375.
How much was a computer in 1965? How much is that in 2008 dollars? How much is a computer today?
Guess that means no one has a right to complain about Vista or any other PC issues.
Or it could mean, technology advances and efficency improves. As an employee in 2008, I provide more value for less money than the worker in 1965. As a customer, I expect the same.
OTOH I have known several people with degrees in Physics, undergrad and grad that work as programmers. That said, unless a person KNOWS that they will not be working as Physicists, I don't see programming as being an integral part of the curriculum.
You're missing the point. No one is saying physicists need to learn programming as fall back for when they can't find jobs as physicists. Physicists need programming to do physics.
When you come up with some new hypothesis on the properties of matter and build some new detector to test your hypothesis, what are you going to do? Sit in front of an oscilloscope, quickly recording the output of your new detector?
No, you're going to connect your detector to a PC, and you're going to write the software to record and analyze that output.
True story: An Indian telemarketer called my brother one day and gave his name as "Abraham Lincoln." Apparently, they had been instructed to use Western names...
I hope at the end of the call your brother told him to enjoy the play.
don't complain to me about a 7 hour day of which you only do your actual job (teaching) half of it.
How is grading and planning not part of the actual job?
By your logic, my actual job (deploying software) adds up to about a week per year. Apparently the weeks and months of development so that I have something to deploy don't count.
Actually, it's "Band-Aid Brand Adhesive Bandages". Do you have a citation for J&J ever using "Band-Aid Brand band-aids"?
That sounds like an implicit admission your trade mark is now generic. The only reason they would need to specify "Band-Aid Brand band-aids" is if there were band-aids not of the Band-Aid brand.
But you are correct--is it not human nature to take advantage of good times to plan for the bad. Where was the interest in alternatives to the gasoline-powered auto when oil was $30 a barrel?
Yes, some forward thinkers were working on hybrids or alternative sources of hydrocarbons such as biodiesel and ethanol, but those efforts were certainly not the front page news they are today.
Even those technologies with no apparent practical utilization will see their features fully exploited when the need arises.
However I disagree with regards to unemployed programmers and community projects. Folks without a means of support will concentrate on finding a means of support. It's the programmers who are securely employed who will have the time and energy to contribute to open sores.
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There are plenty of other OT laws that were either reinforced or at least not superseded in the NT but are forgotten by mainstream Christianity.
And that's fine by me. To build on CTG's point, just be consistent. Don't tell me homosexuality and teaching evolution are sins because the Bible is the literal word of god, and then not circumsize your sons or get your ears pierced.
My counter argument is that, as one would logically expect, the Old Testament laws that haven't been superseded by the New Testament retain their authority.
To my eye this reads like the pick-and-choose approach to the Bible. Which, to be fair, is the official doctrine of some sects.
For instance, to borrow your example of eating a ham sandwich, one can argue that it's acceptable because Jesus said it isn't things that are eaten that make one unclean but rather the condition of one's heart.
So that makes sodomy OK?
To back off my original point a bit, I imagine there a good number (yet a very small percentage) of Christians who are consistent in practice--such as some Amish and Quaker communities, churches with the official stand that the Bible is not absolute and should be interpreted for current society.
But to press the point for the rest of the hypocrites, restrictions on the clergy are justified based on the notion of being christ-like. Christ never married so clergy must be celibate. All the disciples were male so no woman priests.
But Jesus also never flew in a plane. Never drank pasteurized milk. Never sought to establish the kind of buerocratic infrastructure that exists in the major Christian sects. Jesus was more like the Muslims in that respect.
And you've assigned the blame to a small sect in the Roman catholic church, when there's small sects in nearly all religious groups that don't practice what they preach.
I'm sure I'll be modded flamebait or troll, but this is a serious question. I really want to know.
Is there any sect of Christianity that practices what it preaches?
For example, do the old testament rules apply or not? When it suits their agenda, the old testament is the unerring word of god. When they want a ham sandwich, the old laws don't apply any more; they've been superseded by the new testament.
And so fie on your sense of hatred of Christians-- it's a small orthodox lunatic minority that gives Christianity a bad name.
Taking the Roman Catholics as an example, the number of pedophile priests is an extremely small percentage of the clergy worldwide. Then look to the number actively participated in the cover up and enabling of pedophiles--the bishops, the cardinals, the pope--it's quite a bit more than a "small orthodox lunatic minority" giving Christianity a bad name.
But back on topic, the issue here is not some law might allow the inclusion of intelligent design in science class. The issue is, the legislature shouldn't be setting curriculum.
It's sheer idiocy and superstition that we treat aging as if it's a disease that needs to be treated.
If you increase the lifespan of the average human to 1000 years would they remain fertile in proportion? Would a women remain fertile until about age 350?
No.
Also, would a child not encounter puberty until age 130?
No.
Did extending the average lifespan from 50 to 80 change onset of puberty from 7 to 13? Why would extending mortality from 80 to 1000 would cause puberty to move from 13 to 130? And actually, in some populations puberty is moving younger due to environmental hormones.
Social constructs would change--kids would stay in school longer, live in parents' basement longer before being considered a loser--but that wouldn't change the biology.
Really? As the wikipedians say, citation needed.
First you'd have to establish a decrease in the direct memories of those events 10 years ago. Second you'd have to show any increase in memories about what happened 10 years ago do not outweight the lost memories.
On a single, otherwise unremarkable memory, you're probably right. I remember more today about eating lunch today than I likely will tomorrow, which is more than I will remember in a year, etc.
But take a remarkable event, such as high school graduation. For me, graduating from college provided new context for my high school graduation. What was similar/different in the ceremonies, what personal changes were signified, what changes were anticipated.
I likely remembered more about my high graduation 5 years after than I did 1 year after. Memories are not photographs we take out from time to time. They're more like drawing on an etch-a-sketch on a bumpy bus ride. We are continually redrawing as we remember.
If only I hadn't already posted in the thread and could use my mod points, I'd get this OUT of Funny hell and into +5 Insightful.
And she was wrong? Does it not take more power to transmit data half-way around the globe than to send it acorss the street? The difference isn't enough to dim the lights in your office, but still, the internet is more like a series of tubes than like a dump truck.
I could mod you down, but instead I'll say, some apples do cost 17,000 times as much as some oranges.
Next you'll be comparing the price of gasoline to printer ink, if we filled our ink jets by the gallon.
What if you pre-paid for 40,687,488,000 Kilobytes worth of text messaging? I can get unlimited text and picture messaging from verizon for $80/month.
Seriously, the monthly cost of a T1 vs. a single text message? For your next trick, can you compare the per pound price of a mature bull at auction vs. what I pay for the New York strip at Bugaboo?
A marginally interesting question would be, why is the retail price of text messaging going up when the prices of most other modes of electronic communication are going down?
And the answer is, no one is forcing you to text message. If you don't like the price, don't buy it.
It's a Computer Science degree, not a "Programming degree"
It's like saying, I just graduated from some culinary academy, but I don't want to be a waiter.
Since this shining star wouldn't mind a job with some programming I'll add, most programming jobs only have some programming. There's documenting business requirements, translating those into technical specifications, tracing the reqs and specs to test cases, documenting use cases, analyzing risks and modes of failure, and so on.
But judging by the question, my best advice for the OP is to practice the phrase, "would you like fries with that."
I am way more amused by that comment than I should be.
Is it Friday yet?
It's only Monday??
Crap.
However, that map was proven inaccurate as the mapping around the area it was purported to come from was WORSE than the mapping of North American, which makes no cartographic sense. People have better maps of where they come from and worse maps of where they just explored.
What you're saying is, the actual migration was from North America to China, and not vice versa, as was originally surmised.
And so, in his way, 'Wrong Way' Norris was right.
Who the fuck would tell their kids its called a cookie while trying to keep them sheltered from sex?
Your current mod is 'funny' but should be scary. What happens when that little girl tells her parents Johnny touched her cookie? Little Johnny gets the perp walk out of school in cuffs when he just wanted Susie to share her oreos.
True story: my SO recently went on a business trip to China and brought back gifts for my 3 nieces. When I asked my 5-yr old niece if she wanted a gift from China, she said no and walked away. This from a girl whose usual response would be, "I'll take that and what else do you have for me?"
I mentioned her unusual behavior to my sister, who told me 'china' is what my niece calls her cookie.
Now it's a funny story to file away for a wedding toast when she grows up, but at the time there was some nervous laughter. All we needed was for her to tell some friends or a teacher about her visit from uncle mcmonkey and how he had a gift for her china.
A round trip flight from NYC to LA in 1965 cost $220. That's $1,450 in 2007 dollars. Now that same flight runs $375.
How much was a computer in 1965? How much is that in 2008 dollars? How much is a computer today?
Guess that means no one has a right to complain about Vista or any other PC issues.
Or it could mean, technology advances and efficency improves. As an employee in 2008, I provide more value for less money than the worker in 1965. As a customer, I expect the same.
I was also wondering what possible value the information he got from this site could be in what should be a well-referenced work.
Ever see Let It Ride? This guy obviously has already a long list of development philosophies and methodologies.
Every time an item on the list comes up in this thread, you cross it out.
Whatever is left, there's your answer.
Piet was the first thing that came to my mind.
The second was the old poster, "A human never stands so tall as when stooping to help a small computer."
OTOH I have known several people with degrees in Physics, undergrad and grad that work as programmers. That said, unless a person KNOWS that they will not be working as Physicists, I don't see programming as being an integral part of the curriculum.
You're missing the point. No one is saying physicists need to learn programming as fall back for when they can't find jobs as physicists. Physicists need programming to do physics.
When you come up with some new hypothesis on the properties of matter and build some new detector to test your hypothesis, what are you going to do? Sit in front of an oscilloscope, quickly recording the output of your new detector?
No, you're going to connect your detector to a PC, and you're going to write the software to record and analyze that output.
The "turbo" button on my 286 functioned something like a "crash now" button would.
You should sue Bill G. Sounds like prior art on the Win95 'Start' button.
True story: An Indian telemarketer called my brother one day and gave his name as "Abraham Lincoln." Apparently, they had been instructed to use Western names...
I hope at the end of the call your brother told him to enjoy the play.
don't complain to me about a 7 hour day of which you only do your actual job (teaching) half of it.
How is grading and planning not part of the actual job?
By your logic, my actual job (deploying software) adds up to about a week per year. Apparently the weeks and months of development so that I have something to deploy don't count.
You might need to clarify what you mean by the 'British Model' here.
FYI, for most of us in the USA, what we know of the 'British Model' we learned from Pink Floyd's The Wall and The Meaning of Life.
BandAid brand Band-aids
Actually, it's "Band-Aid Brand Adhesive Bandages". Do you have a citation for J&J ever using "Band-Aid Brand band-aids"?
That sounds like an implicit admission your trade mark is now generic. The only reason they would need to specify "Band-Aid Brand band-aids" is if there were band-aids not of the Band-Aid brand.
You may be high. And if so, I'm jealous.
But you are correct--is it not human nature to take advantage of good times to plan for the bad. Where was the interest in alternatives to the gasoline-powered auto when oil was $30 a barrel?
Yes, some forward thinkers were working on hybrids or alternative sources of hydrocarbons such as biodiesel and ethanol, but those efforts were certainly not the front page news they are today.
Even those technologies with no apparent practical utilization will see their features fully exploited when the need arises.
However I disagree with regards to unemployed programmers and community projects. Folks without a means of support will concentrate on finding a means of support. It's the programmers who are securely employed who will have the time and energy to contribute to open sores.
Nah, the old-school 1980's Eddie from Eddie Murphy RAW.
If he's showing up at the next G8 summit in the leather pants, he's got my vote.