No, Sweden gave full rights in 1919. Now, according to Wikipedia, the only elections after 1919, where in 1921, so they voted then and perhaps there lies your mistake. Canada passed the federal law in 1919 and Quebec didn't follow it up. Just like Puerto Rico, an "unincorporated territory" of the United States, also didn't implement those same rights in 1920 but only in 1929. So, if you want to say Canada only had Universal Suffrage in 1940 because that was when Quebec implemented it fully, then you should be prepared to accept USA only had it in 1929 when Puerto Rico implemented it, which would put USA even behind in that race (not against Canada, but against European countries).
Really, see that's why we call you ignorant, you come here invent some numbers and are happy USA comes up in number one in them. Yes, Southern European countries came after you in that aspect (although in some of them woman where entitled to held a public office, well before that happened in USA), still, for "number one" you come actually amongst the last ones.
Here is a small list (it's not exhaustive):
Woman right to vote: USA: 1920, Canada:1918, Finland:1906, Norway 1913, Sweden:1909-1919(full), Denmark:1915, Iceland:1915, Russia:1917, UK, Canada, URSS, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Ireland:1918, Netherlands, Belgium, Belarus, Luxemburg and Ukraine 1919.
I would really like to know how did you invent that about Canada and Sweden though, since there is really no way conceivable you can say they had universal suffrage after USA, but ok.
Basically and simply enough, Europe and North America.
Besides, unlike USA, Brazil didn't need a civil war, and the most bloody war the country ever had, to abolish slavery because basically half the population was so much against the idea that their preferred to split to country like it happened in USA.
Man what is happening over there in the US? Didn't you guys start off as the good guys? When did it all start to go so horribly wrong?
Well, I would say that starting by the mass genocide of the native population of a whole continent doesn't classifies as "starting as the good guys". But ok.
Some reasons why American might feel the US is 'better' than other countries:
- Introduction of Democracy to the modern world.
That was France.
- Abolishment of Slavery, world-wide.
Actually you where the last Western Northern Hemisphere country to do that.
- Defeated the most powerful nation (Britian). Twice.
Ok you did defeat Britain, now if they where actually the world's most powerful nation is a bit open to interpretation.
- Accepted women as equal citizens
You where also basically the last Western Northern Hemisphere country to do that. Europe had Universal Suffrage long before USA.
- Defeated the Nazis and the Japanese
No, here we go again. I know you don't really learn history at school there, but see, the URSS defeated the Nazis. Ok? Repeat after me and tell your friends, the URSS defeated the Nazis. No other nation was actually indispensable to the defeat of the Nazis except for URSS.
- "Invented" electricity (specifically, AC current)
No, the AC current (nobody invented electricity just like nobody invented light) can be attributed to a variety of names: Guillaume Duchenne - French, Lucien Gaulard - French, Nikola Tesla - Serbian, Sebastian Ziani de Ferranti - English/Italian. And in all these names you don't see a single American, now do you?
- Built the Bomb.
Yes you did. Congratulations for building something you used to kill more than half a million civilians. I bet you should be really proud about that one, just like whoever invented slavery for instance should be proud about it.
- Put a man on the moon.
Yup, and that one a great one I have to admit.
- Invented the microprocessor and the Internet
Yes, you also did that.
So basically you have 5 out of 9 of your "American" accomplishments completely wrong, 1/9 (the bomb) is simply no thing any sane person would be proud about, other 1/9 is just not factually correct. So basically you have 2 / 9 right. Congratulations. And congratulations to your fantastic educational system that seem to teach you history very well. No wonder you are so proud of yourselves, you don't know crap about history and are brainwashed since childhood to think you are the best at everything while in the rest of the developed world we tend to learn facts at school.
In the UK you have the wonderful example of students rioting in the streets, destroying public and private property over increases in tuition. Same sort of nonsense in France, Greece, etc. over reductions in entitlements meant to keep the countries solvent. When such widespread mayhem and wanton destruction crosses the pond then you can come talk to the US about how civilized other nations are.
Yeah, but you see, no-one got killed there, except for a student accidentally shoot by the police in Greece. See, in civilized Europe, people may make a fuss about being screwed in the ass by the capitalist system, but either because we are civilized, or either because guns are not allowed (like it should be in any sane country) people are not shooting each other around, are they?
I must confess I had a good laugh reading your post. I don't know it it was your complete ignorance about China and North Korea, your wet fantasies that the USA are the ones keeping the world a perfect place for everyone else to live with the blood of your army men, or the fact that your English level is about the same has a 3 year old Swedish kid, which wouldn't be so bad, if it weren't for the fact you are an American, and for the looks of it seem to be at least 12 years old
But I digress, let's just assume for a moment your wild imagination was right and yes, we all depend on USA to keep us safe, give us food, a live, oh so pleasantly in Europe, for instance. Then, assuming your wet dreams about the way the world works where true, shouldn't we vote for the election of the American president has well?
P.S. - Before the ridiculous and completely non factual remark comes again like it always does in these discussions. No, the USA DIDN'T save us from Nazi Germany during WWII. Whether you like it or not and weather we like it or not, the only country that single handedly had the power to turn the war either way was URSS. And luckily they where on the good side because Hitler was stupid enough to try and invade them.
You comment also seems to re-write history a bit, but ignoring that, you're also seemingly ignorant of the fact that children are not uncommonly in combat in that part of the world
My comment says exactly what happens in the video. Now, if you want to be stupid and concede the point - that I must stress, I didn't make that assumption previously, you did! - that it's actually expected that children be in that war scenario, than it means that those guys from the US military in the video killing people know very well, there was a big enough probability, that a van that was by any standard you may want to apply, JUST and ONLY aiding wounded people,could very well have children inside, and your OH SO HUMAN and COMPLEX military guys blew it up, knowing that inside there could be children. You actually just said that, didn't you?
And sadly, when it comes to war, completely rational, well meaning people, exactly as you, are the ones doing the things you point a finger at and condemn.
People like me, don't go to war unless they are forced to. And taking into account there is no conscription in the USA army and you weren't invaded by anyone, then I can very easily say, no, absolutely no people like me where ever seen in those nice videos of US military blowing up innocent people from a vantage point outside all danger and cheering about the fact they are doing it.
The simple fact is, people are stupid animals and ignorance such as yours only serve to completely validate that the military absolutely did the right thing in attempting to hide the video in question.
Of course, you have a video with a guy on a power trip practically begging over the radio to let him open fire on some guys down below, you can hear them cheering when they blow up a truck (that was actually carrying children), you can see they are making up whatever worst case scenario about what they see in the screen in order to be able to shoot whatever people they see down, but yes, you are right, they are just human beings, complex human beings and that, that was not blood lust, it was just a complex facet of an otherwise wonderful human being full of love to give. I bet they smoke some joints later and sing peace and love to every one and they have flowers spreading all around they barracks and pictures of little puppies in funny poses with pink ribbons in them.
Yeah, you are absolutely right, those soldiers are the most peaceful, intelligent and human people I know... how could I be so blind.
Thanks god you are so smart and so knowledgeable about the military and have shown me the light.
Right. Let me see:
Russia says that Russia was not responsible for the murder of Litwinenko.
Wrong! AMERICAN cables from AMERICAN embassy in UK, say that RUSSIA was actually trying to protect the guy and the UK told them to stay away and leave that issue to them.
There, I've put it simply so that you can now understand.
Right. Never heard of Litwinenko, eh?
Or am I mistaken and London is the capital of Russia?
Oh, you mean that guy that now, as stated in the diplomatic cables that came out trough Wikileaks, was murdered in the UK, after the Russian spies actually warned UK the guy was in danger and wanted to be able to follow the guy to see what was going on, and Scotland Yard told them that they had everything under control. But in the end UK came out with sneer word trying to implicate Russia in the murder when in fact we now know they where actually warning UK police about his security.
Please don't let your admiration for Assange's work with Wikileaks prevent you from taking seriously an accusation of rape. Rape is a serious crime, and accusations of rape need to be taken seriously, even if—perhaps especially if—they are made against people we otherwise consider to be heroic.
Yeah that's exactly the problem in Sweden and that is spreading to other countries now. Rape is a serious crime and does indeed need to be taken seriously, by both parties! The problem now is that everything protects the woman and they are using false rape charges for revenge and nothing is being done about that. In fact, the public prosecutor in this case, is some lunatic Swedish woman that even wrote a document, some years ago, on how to use these accusations to get even with the guys that didn't behave according to their standards for whatever reason. And for her, it didn't event matter if the accusations where true or not.
Your logic reported you to the UN for torturing it. Besides, if you really think soliders aren't capable of, and encouraged to, think of shooting someone in a warzone as an almost orgasmic experience, you really need to talk to a few more soldiers.
I don't believe that you've ever been in the same room as a soldier who wasn't made of molded plastic in your life.
And I don't believe you've ever had a talk with a military before. I don't even need to go to a war zone. I have a friend in here, that belongs to the military branch of the police, and they have orgasmic experiences everytime they have to opportunity to beat up CIVILIANS at manifestations where the police had the orders to interfere. And they are their countrymen! Imagine how they would feel for blowing up some alien guys from another religion with a different colour from half way around the world!.
If you honestly think that the US can't cable together thousands of US GPU's in order to set yet another meaningless Linpack milestone, then you are not that bright.
US GPU's? Funny, I thought they where all manufactured in China. Oh let me check my NVIDIA GTX 570 box... yeah that's right, they ARE made in China.
"1. Se garantiza el derecho al honor, a la intimidad personal y familiar y a la propia imagen.
2. El domicilio es inviolable. Ninguna entrada o registro podrá hacerse en el sin consentimiento del titular o resolución judicial, salvo en caso de flagrante delito.
3. Se garantiza el secreto de las comunicaciones y, en especial, de las postales, telegráficas y telefónicas, salvo resolución judicial.
4. La Ley limitará el uso de la informática para garantizar el honor y la intimidad personal y familiar de los ciudadanos y el pleno ejercicio de sus derechos."
Having the tools to commit a crime, doesn't make you a criminal.
Being a male you should have a penis, did you find it fun to incarcerate you just because you have the tools to commit a rape?
About your particular case, the possession of weapons in Spain is forbidden, except in very special cases. More than handling a lunatic stockpiling weapons at home, the police should care about people selling the guns in the first place.
It wouldn't be illegal to jailbreak anyway. Spanish constitution grants you the right to do whatever you want in your place has long has you keep it to yourself.
For instance, you can plant cannabis, as long has you don't sell it to anyone, keep it inside all the time and don't use it with other people there.
It's a great principle in my opinion. If what you are doing it's just for you, it can't harm anyone and if you are an adult you should be able to do whatever you want in your privacy.
Well, there is an easy solution to that, and we have had that in Europe for... hum, let's see, in some places 100 years now... strange how much time these radical ideas about a more equal society take to arrive USA.
The solution is different sales taxes for different kinds of goods. A very high one for luxury goods (an iate or sports car), a normal one to non absolutely necessary goods (plasma TV for instance, cars, etc.), and a very low one, or complete exemption for indispensable goods (non processed food, water, heating, etc). Really, it's not rocket science people.
the fact that all actions of the armed forces are so carefully logged leads me to believe that despite issues and anecdotes the US Armed Forces are actually pretty damn professional
Well, if being professional is your notion of pride, then it probably would be a fantastic for you to be a German Gestapo during Nazi German. Good thing they where also extremely professional and documented every single occurrence in detail... that way it was fairly easy to find the guilty ones after the war and successfully condemn them in a court.
This is EU, people are not afraid of these stupid actions in here. Nobody goes bankrupt for having to go to trial to defend themselves in here. So if they want to sue, let them sue. In the end most of the courts in here will force Sony to pay the court and representation fees to the persons they are suing when they lose.
On the other side, USA is subsidizing corn production. Not that I have anything about subsidizing... the problem is that I hate to have corn in all my food.
And how will that help? We are talking about a planet on a orbit here. It's something constant. The woobling in the starts will be something periodic, and ALL THE TIME we are having a doppler shift of the radiation one way or another.
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No, Sweden gave full rights in 1919. Now, according to Wikipedia, the only elections after 1919, where in 1921, so they voted then and perhaps there lies your mistake. Canada passed the federal law in 1919 and Quebec didn't follow it up. Just like Puerto Rico, an "unincorporated territory" of the United States, also didn't implement those same rights in 1920 but only in 1929. So, if you want to say Canada only had Universal Suffrage in 1940 because that was when Quebec implemented it fully, then you should be prepared to accept USA only had it in 1929 when Puerto Rico implemented it, which would put USA even behind in that race (not against Canada, but against European countries).
Sorry about the URSS-USSR mistake. In my country we usually translate the acronyms and the letters sometimes come out incorrectly. :)
Really, see that's why we call you ignorant, you come here invent some numbers and are happy USA comes up in number one in them. Yes, Southern European countries came after you in that aspect (although in some of them woman where entitled to held a public office, well before that happened in USA), still, for "number one" you come actually amongst the last ones.
Here is a small list (it's not exhaustive): Woman right to vote: USA: 1920, Canada:1918, Finland:1906, Norway 1913, Sweden:1909-1919(full), Denmark:1915, Iceland:1915, Russia:1917, UK, Canada, URSS, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Ireland:1918, Netherlands, Belgium, Belarus, Luxemburg and Ukraine 1919.
I would really like to know how did you invent that about Canada and Sweden though, since there is really no way conceivable you can say they had universal suffrage after USA, but ok.
Western Northern Hemisphere.
Basically and simply enough, Europe and North America.
Besides, unlike USA, Brazil didn't need a civil war, and the most bloody war the country ever had, to abolish slavery because basically half the population was so much against the idea that their preferred to split to country like it happened in USA.
Man what is happening over there in the US? Didn't you guys start off as the good guys? When did it all start to go so horribly wrong?
Well, I would say that starting by the mass genocide of the native population of a whole continent doesn't classifies as "starting as the good guys". But ok.
Some reasons why American might feel the US is 'better' than other countries:
- Introduction of Democracy to the modern world.
That was France.
- Abolishment of Slavery, world-wide.
Actually you where the last Western Northern Hemisphere country to do that.
- Defeated the most powerful nation (Britian). Twice.
Ok you did defeat Britain, now if they where actually the world's most powerful nation is a bit open to interpretation.
- Accepted women as equal citizens
You where also basically the last Western Northern Hemisphere country to do that. Europe had Universal Suffrage long before USA.
- Defeated the Nazis and the Japanese
No, here we go again. I know you don't really learn history at school there, but see, the URSS defeated the Nazis. Ok? Repeat after me and tell your friends, the URSS defeated the Nazis. No other nation was actually indispensable to the defeat of the Nazis except for URSS.
- "Invented" electricity (specifically, AC current)
No, the AC current (nobody invented electricity just like nobody invented light) can be attributed to a variety of names: Guillaume Duchenne - French, Lucien Gaulard - French, Nikola Tesla - Serbian, Sebastian Ziani de Ferranti - English/Italian. And in all these names you don't see a single American, now do you?
- Built the Bomb.
Yes you did. Congratulations for building something you used to kill more than half a million civilians. I bet you should be really proud about that one, just like whoever invented slavery for instance should be proud about it.
- Put a man on the moon.
Yup, and that one a great one I have to admit.
- Invented the microprocessor and the Internet
Yes, you also did that.
So basically you have 5 out of 9 of your "American" accomplishments completely wrong, 1/9 (the bomb) is simply no thing any sane person would be proud about, other 1/9 is just not factually correct. So basically you have 2 / 9 right. Congratulations. And congratulations to your fantastic educational system that seem to teach you history very well. No wonder you are so proud of yourselves, you don't know crap about history and are brainwashed since childhood to think you are the best at everything while in the rest of the developed world we tend to learn facts at school.
In the UK you have the wonderful example of students rioting in the streets, destroying public and private property over increases in tuition. Same sort of nonsense in France, Greece, etc. over reductions in entitlements meant to keep the countries solvent. When such widespread mayhem and wanton destruction crosses the pond then you can come talk to the US about how civilized other nations are.
Yeah, but you see, no-one got killed there, except for a student accidentally shoot by the police in Greece. See, in civilized Europe, people may make a fuss about being screwed in the ass by the capitalist system, but either because we are civilized, or either because guns are not allowed (like it should be in any sane country) people are not shooting each other around, are they?
I must confess I had a good laugh reading your post. I don't know it it was your complete ignorance about China and North Korea, your wet fantasies that the USA are the ones keeping the world a perfect place for everyone else to live with the blood of your army men, or the fact that your English level is about the same has a 3 year old Swedish kid, which wouldn't be so bad, if it weren't for the fact you are an American, and for the looks of it seem to be at least 12 years old
But I digress, let's just assume for a moment your wild imagination was right and yes, we all depend on USA to keep us safe, give us food, a live, oh so pleasantly in Europe, for instance. Then, assuming your wet dreams about the way the world works where true, shouldn't we vote for the election of the American president has well?
P.S. - Before the ridiculous and completely non factual remark comes again like it always does in these discussions. No, the USA DIDN'T save us from Nazi Germany during WWII. Whether you like it or not and weather we like it or not, the only country that single handedly had the power to turn the war either way was URSS. And luckily they where on the good side because Hitler was stupid enough to try and invade them.
You comment also seems to re-write history a bit, but ignoring that, you're also seemingly ignorant of the fact that children are not uncommonly in combat in that part of the world
My comment says exactly what happens in the video. Now, if you want to be stupid and concede the point - that I must stress, I didn't make that assumption previously, you did! - that it's actually expected that children be in that war scenario, than it means that those guys from the US military in the video killing people know very well, there was a big enough probability, that a van that was by any standard you may want to apply, JUST and ONLY aiding wounded people ,could very well have children inside, and your OH SO HUMAN and COMPLEX military guys blew it up, knowing that inside there could be children. You actually just said that, didn't you?
And sadly, when it comes to war, completely rational, well meaning people, exactly as you, are the ones doing the things you point a finger at and condemn.
People like me, don't go to war unless they are forced to. And taking into account there is no conscription in the USA army and you weren't invaded by anyone, then I can very easily say, no, absolutely no people like me where ever seen in those nice videos of US military blowing up innocent people from a vantage point outside all danger and cheering about the fact they are doing it.
The simple fact is, people are stupid animals and ignorance such as yours only serve to completely validate that the military absolutely did the right thing in attempting to hide the video in question.
Of course, you have a video with a guy on a power trip practically begging over the radio to let him open fire on some guys down below, you can hear them cheering when they blow up a truck (that was actually carrying children), you can see they are making up whatever worst case scenario about what they see in the screen in order to be able to shoot whatever people they see down, but yes, you are right, they are just human beings, complex human beings and that, that was not blood lust, it was just a complex facet of an otherwise wonderful human being full of love to give. I bet they smoke some joints later and sing peace and love to every one and they have flowers spreading all around they barracks and pictures of little puppies in funny poses with pink ribbons in them. ... how could I be so blind.
Yeah, you are absolutely right, those soldiers are the most peaceful, intelligent and human people I know
Thanks god you are so smart and so knowledgeable about the military and have shown me the light.
Right. Let me see: Russia says that Russia was not responsible for the murder of Litwinenko.
Wrong! AMERICAN cables from AMERICAN embassy in UK, say that RUSSIA was actually trying to protect the guy and the UK told them to stay away and leave that issue to them.
There, I've put it simply so that you can now understand.
Right. Never heard of Litwinenko, eh? Or am I mistaken and London is the capital of Russia?
Oh, you mean that guy that now, as stated in the diplomatic cables that came out trough Wikileaks, was murdered in the UK, after the Russian spies actually warned UK the guy was in danger and wanted to be able to follow the guy to see what was going on, and Scotland Yard told them that they had everything under control. But in the end UK came out with sneer word trying to implicate Russia in the murder when in fact we now know they where actually warning UK police about his security.
That one right?
The murder/arrest/expulsion of journalists and news sources who disagree with you? That's a big one for me.
Do you mean Assange?
Please don't let your admiration for Assange's work with Wikileaks prevent you from taking seriously an accusation of rape. Rape is a serious crime, and accusations of rape need to be taken seriously, even if—perhaps especially if—they are made against people we otherwise consider to be heroic.
Yeah that's exactly the problem in Sweden and that is spreading to other countries now. Rape is a serious crime and does indeed need to be taken seriously, by both parties! The problem now is that everything protects the woman and they are using false rape charges for revenge and nothing is being done about that.
In fact, the public prosecutor in this case, is some lunatic Swedish woman that even wrote a document, some years ago, on how to use these accusations to get even with the guys that didn't behave according to their standards for whatever reason. And for her, it didn't event matter if the accusations where true or not.
Your logic reported you to the UN for torturing it. Besides, if you really think soliders aren't capable of, and encouraged to, think of shooting someone in a warzone as an almost orgasmic experience, you really need to talk to a few more soldiers.
I don't believe that you've ever been in the same room as a soldier who wasn't made of molded plastic in your life.
And I don't believe you've ever had a talk with a military before. I don't even need to go to a war zone. I have a friend in here, that belongs to the military branch of the police, and they have orgasmic experiences everytime they have to opportunity to beat up CIVILIANS at manifestations where the police had the orders to interfere. And they are their countrymen!
Imagine how they would feel for blowing up some alien guys from another religion with a different colour from half way around the world!.
If you honestly think that the US can't cable together thousands of US GPU's in order to set yet another meaningless Linpack milestone, then you are not that bright.
US GPU's? Funny, I thought they where all manufactured in China. Oh let me check my NVIDIA GTX 570 box ... yeah that's right, they ARE made in China.
Article 18 of the Spanish constitution:
"1. Se garantiza el derecho al honor, a la intimidad personal y familiar y a la propia imagen. 2. El domicilio es inviolable. Ninguna entrada o registro podrá hacerse en el sin consentimiento del titular o resolución judicial, salvo en caso de flagrante delito. 3. Se garantiza el secreto de las comunicaciones y, en especial, de las postales, telegráficas y telefónicas, salvo resolución judicial. 4. La Ley limitará el uso de la informática para garantizar el honor y la intimidad personal y familiar de los ciudadanos y el pleno ejercicio de sus derechos."
Having the tools to commit a crime, doesn't make you a criminal.
Being a male you should have a penis, did you find it fun to incarcerate you just because you have the tools to commit a rape?
About your particular case, the possession of weapons in Spain is forbidden, except in very special cases. More than handling a lunatic stockpiling weapons at home, the police should care about people selling the guns in the first place.
It wouldn't be illegal to jailbreak anyway. Spanish constitution grants you the right to do whatever you want in your place has long has you keep it to yourself.
For instance, you can plant cannabis, as long has you don't sell it to anyone, keep it inside all the time and don't use it with other people there.
It's a great principle in my opinion. If what you are doing it's just for you, it can't harm anyone and if you are an adult you should be able to do whatever you want in your privacy.
Yeah, lot's of Mengele's wannabes went there, that's sure.
Well, there is an easy solution to that, and we have had that in Europe for ... hum, let's see, in some places 100 years now ... strange how much time these radical ideas about a more equal society take to arrive USA.
The solution is different sales taxes for different kinds of goods. A very high one for luxury goods (an iate or sports car), a normal one to non absolutely necessary goods (plasma TV for instance, cars, etc.), and a very low one, or complete exemption for indispensable goods (non processed food, water, heating, etc). Really, it's not rocket science people.
the fact that all actions of the armed forces are so carefully logged leads me to believe that despite issues and anecdotes the US Armed Forces are actually pretty damn professional
Well, if being professional is your notion of pride, then it probably would be a fantastic for you to be a German Gestapo during Nazi German. Good thing they where also extremely professional and documented every single occurrence in detail ... that way it was fairly easy to find the guilty ones after the war and successfully condemn them in a court.
This is EU, people are not afraid of these stupid actions in here. Nobody goes bankrupt for having to go to trial to defend themselves in here. So if they want to sue, let them sue. In the end most of the courts in here will force Sony to pay the court and representation fees to the persons they are suing when they lose.
On the other side, USA is subsidizing corn production. Not that I have anything about subsidizing ... the problem is that I hate to have corn in all my food.
And how will that help? We are talking about a planet on a orbit here. It's something constant. The woobling in the starts will be something periodic, and ALL THE TIME we are having a doppler shift of the radiation one way or another.