You can't even quote the word 'manifest' correctly. There also isn't anybody trying to prove that your deity doesn't exist, merely people asking you to prove that it does.
As you appear to feel that you can't possibly prove this, the rest of us don't have to prove a fucking thing. We merely acknowledge that the likelihood is that you've made it up and that there's an equal chance of pink unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters as there is of your particular deity existing.
An atheist doesn't believe that the flying spaghetti monster exists. An atheist doesn't believe that your deity exists either. No proof or disproof is required, as the lack of belief requires neither.
However, if you come over all superior and demand that we acknowledge your deity, and use alleged utterances from it as the basis for our laws, then we're being perfectly reasonable in seeking evidence that it exists and that you aren't just making this shit up to further your own agenda. So, either prove your god exists or fuck off.
Take the words someone with an agenda wrote down as being the words of the prophet, you mean. Or was Mohamed not as illiterate as I heard?
That for me is the biggest stupidity: they insist on literal interpretation of something that was full of shit when it was written, let alone utterly fucking irrelevant for the 21st century.
Interesting comparison, but I was stating in the 90s that the IRA were doing a pretty poor job of attacking British interests.
With the resources they had, the IRA could easily have achieved far higher economic harm to the UK, with or without attendant body counts, than they actually even tried.
So the IRA weren't trying to kill people 'in the name of Christ', they were pursuing a limited war to publicise and garner support for their struggle for nationalism. Had they gone for an all-out religious attack they'd have adopted different tactics and achieved a far higher body count.
Also, a compare against the Jewish would be interesting. Just for the sake of comparison to see where our civilisation is heading.
Being honest, I fully expect that Israel has done its fair share of killing. Whether that's caused by religion is a more complicated question.
Wait, what? Centuries of oppression, greed, forced ignorance, brainwashing, torture, child abuse and bigotry is down to American protestants? Even before Christianity reached America?
Ongoing misogyny, child abuse, bigotry and taught ignorance is down to Amerian protestants, even in Brazil, Italy, Ireland and other Catholic countries?
Face it, Catholicism is pretty fucking evil even without US help.
I hear stuff (both in the discussion and afterwards) about such-and-such being "weak" or "avoiding talking" or similar.
It's called being an introvert. It's not gender specific.
I'll commonly see that the topic switches from "which idea is best", to "make sure that girl's idea doesn't win"
I can happily admit that I've never seen this. Ever.
The primary problem here is not just a small minority of males being the jerk, but that the majority of males present give them a pass on it, and don't call them on their crap. That's just aiding and abetting the problem.
What the fuck makes you think that other men like this? If a woman in that situation can't speak out in her own defence, how the fuck is a man meant to? Who's going to speak out to defend the man getting similarly jerked on?
Pay attention when women are trying to comment, and tell the assholes to shut their mouths when they start in with the sexist comments.
I hear more sexist comments from female managers than I do from almost every man I work with. The one male exemption is the guy that can walk into a lift, wink at one girl, grab the arse of another and verbally proposition a third and leave all three beaming happily.
Part of the reason the men don't make sexist comments is _because_ they call each other on it. Part of the reason the women do is because nobody stops them - and I've seen very aggressive women making HR type threats to men that do point out their misandry.
Tech is supposed to be about quality of ideas, not personal attacks.
If I go to github or sourceforge or kernel.org and download some source code, I have no idea who wrote it. I don't know whether they're male, female or some wondrous Thai intermediate state.
I don't care either.
More to the point, if I need to recruit a developer, I'm going to explore their programming ability, look for signs of interest in programming and also make sure that they'll fit with my company culture and our ways of working. I want technical skills, personal interest, strong communication ability and a track record of success.
Frankly their gender doesn't come into it, and because I hire individuals, neither does the last three hard drives I purchased. That might stop me re-engaging a specific consultancy, but wont influence permanent staff recruitment.
Someone has to step up and give women a chance.
I work for a company that has a "Women's forum", where senior female managers meet with more junior women, take them under their wing, nurture them, find them opportunities for advancement and give them a chance to shape the company culture.
As a man, I get none of this. Instead I get to watch my female peers get opportunities that are closed to me, get paid more for doing the same job and get to dress more comfortably, all at the same time. Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to the plight of women in the workplace.
(Incidentally, I read the output from a workshop held by the Women's Forum. In it the brainstorming had captured all the gripes that women had with the company, with the "male dominated culture", with the issues they were facing. Every single fucking issue, gripe, problem that they had were ones that men have too. Lack of opportunity, excessive workloads at senior levels, lack of career paths, inflexibility in work patterns, work/life balance, family commitments.. all of them are issues for men too. Where's the fucking Men's Forum so we can point that out?)
Why would you apply gender discrimination instead of removing the barriers that prevent equal participation?
If the $5k were going to people that would otherwise be too poor to attend, that would be understandable. It's not. It's going to women because.. they're not men.
No, I'm fucked off that people are discriminating on gender grounds. Stop it.
Whatever the field, whatever the reason, whoever the hell is providing the money: Stop it.
Shit, if I apply for one of the dozen software engineer jobs they're currently recruiting for, will I be refused because I'm not a girl? Why is 80% of their board male? Just what the fuck is going on at that company?
I hate discrimination. Age, gender, race.. stop it.
Women live longer than men. Women get more spent on their healthcare than men (UK NHS). Women get custody of kids ahead of men. Women get paid more for part-time work than men. Women get more time off work than men (maternity vs paternity). Women get legalised sex discrimination in their favour (UK). Women get nicer clothes than men. Women get their own government minister and men don't (UK). Women under 25 get paid more than men under 25 (US). Women get support for domestic abuse despite men under 25 being more likely to suffer it than women under 25.
I heard her speaking 'live' at the press conference, answering media questions. Her refusal to answer several questions was explained as necessary under Florida law to assure a fair trial.
I'd far rather the DA requests that people wait for evidence to come out in court than blab about it beforehand to the media, so she has my backing on that.
In the UK the press would not be prevented from reporting on this matter. They would be prevented from reporting on it until after the court case has completed.
That's not a denial of free speech, it's a promotion of justice and a fair trial. Which is every bit as important as free speech, and achieves both.
I've posted several times in this thread with a general anti-Zimmerman stance, but I do want him to get a fair trial, and I just can't see that happening due to the media coverage.
If Martin knocked Zimmerman to the ground and caused injuries to his nose and head, as Zimmerman claims, then Martin was not "an innocent."
Even if Martin did do that, that isn't necessarily a crime. It's quite possible to knock someone over without breaking the law.
Shit, people defending Zimmerman are suggesting that shooting dead an unarmed teenager doesn't break the law, and you think knocking someone over immediately makes them guilty?
If Trayvon initiated the use of force George was within his rights to shoot to defend himself
So self defence isn't limited to reasonable force? Because in the UK, shooting someone that's unarmed isn't reasonable force and wouldn't be self-defence, even if they were attacking you.
US CDC website tells me that there were over 500 accidental deaths in 2009 caused by firearms.
That's a lot of dead people, even without flying at 40,000 feet.
It's not that I don't trust intelligent, trained, mentally stable, informed and responsible adults with firearms, it's just that I don't trust the general public, police officers or Americans with them.
If you happen to believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, you are free to do so -- but science is about evidence, which can be reproduced by others
It's quite hard to run a 6000 year science experiment. Not least because the bastards in 60 centuries time will be pointing at evidence that your source material was made up.
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I might also be a prophet
Indeed. You have as much credibility as the rest of them.
Or as the Slashdot qotd at the bottom of my page so eloquently puts it,
Garbage In, Gospel Out
I was always taught "Turn right".
Fuck changing altitude, you have other dimensions available to you.
Sure because educational standards rose so much between 1997 and the current Government taking power.
Sorry, that doesn't pass the laugh test.
You can't even quote the word 'manifest' correctly. There also isn't anybody trying to prove that your deity doesn't exist, merely people asking you to prove that it does.
As you appear to feel that you can't possibly prove this, the rest of us don't have to prove a fucking thing. We merely acknowledge that the likelihood is that you've made it up and that there's an equal chance of pink unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters as there is of your particular deity existing.
An atheist doesn't believe that the flying spaghetti monster exists. An atheist doesn't believe that your deity exists either. No proof or disproof is required, as the lack of belief requires neither.
However, if you come over all superior and demand that we acknowledge your deity, and use alleged utterances from it as the basis for our laws, then we're being perfectly reasonable in seeking evidence that it exists and that you aren't just making this shit up to further your own agenda. So, either prove your god exists or fuck off.
take the violent words of the prophet literally
Take the words someone with an agenda wrote down as being the words of the prophet, you mean. Or was Mohamed not as illiterate as I heard?
That for me is the biggest stupidity: they insist on literal interpretation of something that was full of shit when it was written, let alone utterly fucking irrelevant for the 21st century.
Fucking ignorant savages.
Indeed. Women get equal opportunities to fuck up their own lives here, they don't get men fucking up their lives for them.
What, you think there are no gay men, single fathers or middle-aged bachelors? Or you think that's just dandy for blokes but somehow wrong for women?
"Western slut-walk" sounds like a place I need to hang out.
No, the bad guys are turning to measures like this because they're not winning.
Being killed for naming the fuckwits involved doesn't however help much, especially when everybody local knows without being told.
Interesting comparison, but I was stating in the 90s that the IRA were doing a pretty poor job of attacking British interests.
With the resources they had, the IRA could easily have achieved far higher economic harm to the UK, with or without attendant body counts, than they actually even tried.
So the IRA weren't trying to kill people 'in the name of Christ', they were pursuing a limited war to publicise and garner support for their struggle for nationalism. Had they gone for an all-out religious attack they'd have adopted different tactics and achieved a far higher body count.
Also, a compare against the Jewish would be interesting. Just for the sake of comparison to see where our civilisation is heading.
Being honest, I fully expect that Israel has done its fair share of killing. Whether that's caused by religion is a more complicated question.
Indeed. The local council don't appear to be upset by the lack of women out there collecting bins, sweeping the streets, fixing the sewage system.
no no, he became a lich.
http://www.theendishere.org/zombie-jesus-lich-jesus/
Wait, what? Centuries of oppression, greed, forced ignorance, brainwashing, torture, child abuse and bigotry is down to American protestants? Even before Christianity reached America?
Ongoing misogyny, child abuse, bigotry and taught ignorance is down to Amerian protestants, even in Brazil, Italy, Ireland and other Catholic countries?
Face it, Catholicism is pretty fucking evil even without US help.
Good: Scholarship programs, outreach, mentorship.
I concur. Where can I get some of this? Just that, these all seem to be closed off to me on the grounds I'm white, male, atheist..
I hear stuff (both in the discussion and afterwards) about such-and-such being "weak" or "avoiding talking" or similar.
It's called being an introvert. It's not gender specific.
I'll commonly see that the topic switches from "which idea is best", to "make sure that girl's idea doesn't win"
I can happily admit that I've never seen this. Ever.
The primary problem here is not just a small minority of males being the jerk, but that the majority of males present give them a pass on it, and don't call them on their crap. That's just aiding and abetting the problem.
What the fuck makes you think that other men like this? If a woman in that situation can't speak out in her own defence, how the fuck is a man meant to? Who's going to speak out to defend the man getting similarly jerked on?
Pay attention when women are trying to comment, and tell the assholes to shut their mouths when they start in with the sexist comments.
I hear more sexist comments from female managers than I do from almost every man I work with. The one male exemption is the guy that can walk into a lift, wink at one girl, grab the arse of another and verbally proposition a third and leave all three beaming happily.
Part of the reason the men don't make sexist comments is _because_ they call each other on it. Part of the reason the women do is because nobody stops them - and I've seen very aggressive women making HR type threats to men that do point out their misandry.
Tech is supposed to be about quality of ideas, not personal attacks.
Right, so stop attacking men please.
What the fuck are you on?
If I go to github or sourceforge or kernel.org and download some source code, I have no idea who wrote it. I don't know whether they're male, female or some wondrous Thai intermediate state.
I don't care either.
More to the point, if I need to recruit a developer, I'm going to explore their programming ability, look for signs of interest in programming and also make sure that they'll fit with my company culture and our ways of working. I want technical skills, personal interest, strong communication ability and a track record of success.
Frankly their gender doesn't come into it, and because I hire individuals, neither does the last three hard drives I purchased. That might stop me re-engaging a specific consultancy, but wont influence permanent staff recruitment.
Someone has to step up and give women a chance.
I work for a company that has a "Women's forum", where senior female managers meet with more junior women, take them under their wing, nurture them, find them opportunities for advancement and give them a chance to shape the company culture.
As a man, I get none of this. Instead I get to watch my female peers get opportunities that are closed to me, get paid more for doing the same job and get to dress more comfortably, all at the same time. Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to the plight of women in the workplace.
(Incidentally, I read the output from a workshop held by the Women's Forum. In it the brainstorming had captured all the gripes that women had with the company, with the "male dominated culture", with the issues they were facing. Every single fucking issue, gripe, problem that they had were ones that men have too. Lack of opportunity, excessive workloads at senior levels, lack of career paths, inflexibility in work patterns, work/life balance, family commitments.. all of them are issues for men too. Where's the fucking Men's Forum so we can point that out?)
Why do you feel you need to?
Why would you apply gender discrimination instead of removing the barriers that prevent equal participation?
If the $5k were going to people that would otherwise be too poor to attend, that would be understandable. It's not. It's going to women because.. they're not men.
Fuck that sexist bullshit.
No, I'm fucked off that people are discriminating on gender grounds. Stop it.
Whatever the field, whatever the reason, whoever the hell is providing the money: Stop it.
Shit, if I apply for one of the dozen software engineer jobs they're currently recruiting for, will I be refused because I'm not a girl? Why is 80% of their board male? Just what the fuck is going on at that company?
I hate discrimination. Age, gender, race.. stop it.
No?
Women live longer than men.
Women get more spent on their healthcare than men (UK NHS).
Women get custody of kids ahead of men.
Women get paid more for part-time work than men.
Women get more time off work than men (maternity vs paternity).
Women get legalised sex discrimination in their favour (UK).
Women get nicer clothes than men.
Women get their own government minister and men don't (UK).
Women under 25 get paid more than men under 25 (US).
Women get support for domestic abuse despite men under 25 being more likely to suffer it than women under 25.
Sure. It doesn't really exist.
I heard her speaking 'live' at the press conference, answering media questions. Her refusal to answer several questions was explained as necessary under Florida law to assure a fair trial.
I'd far rather the DA requests that people wait for evidence to come out in court than blab about it beforehand to the media, so she has my backing on that.
In the UK the press would not be prevented from reporting on this matter. They would be prevented from reporting on it until after the court case has completed.
That's not a denial of free speech, it's a promotion of justice and a fair trial. Which is every bit as important as free speech, and achieves both.
I've posted several times in this thread with a general anti-Zimmerman stance, but I do want him to get a fair trial, and I just can't see that happening due to the media coverage.
If Martin knocked Zimmerman to the ground and caused injuries to his nose and head, as Zimmerman claims, then Martin was not "an innocent."
Even if Martin did do that, that isn't necessarily a crime. It's quite possible to knock someone over without breaking the law.
Shit, people defending Zimmerman are suggesting that shooting dead an unarmed teenager doesn't break the law, and you think knocking someone over immediately makes them guilty?
Yes, I am implying Trayvon is likely a criminal
Wait, sorry what? That's an excuse to shoot him dead for walking down the street?
I can't believe people argue the right to defend your life with a gun.
I'm struggling to understand how an unarmed teenager was a threat to the life of a man driving a car.
should we all only be permitted to run away when someone is trying to kill us?
So far there's only evidence of attempted homicide by one person - hint: it's not the fucking dead one.
If Trayvon initiated the use of force George was within his rights to shoot to defend himself
So self defence isn't limited to reasonable force? Because in the UK, shooting someone that's unarmed isn't reasonable force and wouldn't be self-defence, even if they were attacking you.
US CDC website tells me that there were over 500 accidental deaths in 2009 caused by firearms.
That's a lot of dead people, even without flying at 40,000 feet.
It's not that I don't trust intelligent, trained, mentally stable, informed and responsible adults with firearms, it's just that I don't trust the general public, police officers or Americans with them.
If you happen to believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, you are free to do so -- but science is about evidence, which can be reproduced by others
It's quite hard to run a 6000 year science experiment. Not least because the bastards in 60 centuries time will be pointing at evidence that your source material was made up.