why wouldn't the cops have video recorded the screens or taken pictures or screenshots rather than showing a "replay" of the conversation
Maybe they switched on the automatic logging of their IRC client (or whatever it was - I didn't read TFA) and produced the text logs in court.
That's cheap, easy and reasonable. It doesn't include any binaries, and (obviously) doesn't include graphical representation of any smileys.
It's also less sinister than you're suggesting, even though your alternative capture mechanisms would indeed provide a more complete record. Perhaps you should contact the police department and suggest they improve their own processes?
There is a difference. The commonality is that they are both illegal, but there is definitely a difference.
For the record I'm not a paedophile, although Catholic schoolgirls are hot.
(luckily I'm in a country where the age of consent is 16 and I don't have to feel guilty about being attracted to sexually mature young women that just happen to be wearing school clothes)
This is the point: you want to play guitar, you just buy one. You want to learn to play, you might choose self-learning if you don't want to throw money at lessons.
I would be jealous that your brain works that way, except that because my brain doesn't it probably means I enjoy benefits you'll never realise.
Not everyone is the same. You're lucky in that you can learn this way. I'm not.
In Q4 2010 5.2m of the 14.1m iphones sold worldwide were sold in Europe.
I'm sure you're right thought, that Apple have no interest in projects that only scale to 5m units/quarter, barely more than a third of their total sales.
Given he highlighted that many people can't afford Apple's prices it's only reasonable that he might be one of them.
You're also making unfounded allegations of piracy. He may have legitimately purchased or otherwise acquired the OS; that he's installing it on non-Apple hardware merely means he isn't agreeing to the shrinkwrap agreement, not that he doesn't own the software he's bought.
They cant keep up, much less innovate, without Apple
Now that is clearly utter bullshit.
I was using a touchscreen device with a web browser built in before the iPhone was released.
Convergence of telephony, PMP, GPS, PDA and camera into a single device was always going to happen. I was demanding it a decade ago and getting frustrated at how long it took to reach reality.
All Apple have done is add a pretty UI, lock down the device and implement a 30% profit margin on anything the user does.
Yes, app stores predate Apple too.
So please, celebrate the contribution Apple has made, indeed highlight the innovation they have had, but don't go pretending nobody else has ideas. Shit, check the patent violations Apple is being accused of if you really want cold hard evidence.
Contactless payment systems are already live in the UK. I have a contactless payment card in my pocket right now. A retailer with a store in every postcode in the UK is rolling out contactless readers to all of their stores.
Just because other countries aren't there doesn't mean that this isn't very real technology being used in sizable markets.
The irony being that contactless payment standards are already in place, already in use and already.. standard.
Sure, that's the UK, but there's this neat thing with mobile telephones: You can program them. So you could have the UK firmware with the UK payment standard, the EU firmware with the EU payment standard (likely to be the same) and the US firmware with the feature disabled because the US haven't agreed their standard yet.
What Apple can't do is dictate the standard. Their device will be one of many, and have to play by other peoples' rules. Which Jobs hates doing, because he can't charge 30% on it.
To be fair, that's probably not why they wont include it. They wont include it because it's a technology still in its infancy and there's no commercial advantage in being a first adopter - because it's a standard.
I really really want to love Cuba, its people, its way of life and its world class healthcare system, just to annoy Americans. Unfortunately it's a dictatorship with appalling living standards and brutal totalitarianism, and even America's not that bad yet.
Why should we give you the right to vote the second you walk into this country?
That wasn't being requested. Why should you charge taxes on people that have generously left their own homes to come and contribute to the wealth of the US with their own labour, and don't even get to vote on how that wealth is used?
I do believe you should become citizens before you have the right to vote.
I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't think it's unreasonable to charge taxes either, but don't pretend it's fair or remotely aligned to the orignal (stated) reasons for the US revolution.
Guess what, when people have no rights they have no obligations.
Such as: obeying firearms law, obeying laws introduced by a corrupt political process and performing their civic duty by serving in the military.
Tough shit. Should've thoguht of that before demonising people that may have just been unlucky, may have made an unfortunate mistake they'll never repeat, may have had to make a hard decision or may be delighted that they are no longer morally obliged to follow rules they had no intention of following in the first place.
I didn't mention the video on liverpoolfc.tv Does Skyfire display the flash on their homepage, including the news items? Does Skyfire display the live match coverage?
Trust me, I've already told lfc to stop using Flash so obnoxiously, but writing it off as mere video is frankly a lie.
Thanks for the last reply, it's good to know you realise how wrong you are.
I agree completely. It doesn't however excuse a second disparate application with a second price tag attached to it, or indeed people gloating about having twice as many apps because each one needs deploying twice.
Which was the original point being raised by Andy Dodd and unnecessarily (and aggressively) put down by Samalie.
Although often 'more of the same' is a good use of the screen real estate. Documents, web pages, map applications and real-time strategy games are all fine examples. Keep the navigational/control elements the same size and display more content.
I can confirm I was not paid to post that. I also currently possess no Android devices (or other Google products, other than email/docs/picasa accounts).
I just hate the bullshit marketing perpetuated by Apple and its blinkered fans.
you're a member of a small but growing contingent of people on here who genuinely need professional help, but don't necessarily fit into any of the current DSM-IV criteria for diagnosis
Yes and no. I do need professional help, for things that don't fit into those criteria. Ironically I don't really need help for the two things that are classified under those criteria. Hey, nobody's normal.
I fear however you're missing the key ingredient in my post that should assuage your concerns over my mental health. It's called humour. We spell it with a u in this country.
Ah, swearing, the last resort of someone who knows they have lost the argument.
Or, just possibly, someone that knows how to accentuate their speech through use of broader vocabulary. Sorry, I don't appear to have your hangups over certain words.
I agree; it's a real issue that one supports flash ads when browsing and the other automatically disables them.
Oh, iPad2 comes with adblock now? Just that it's the first thing I install after the web browser on any web-enabled computer I own.
Or do you mean the iPad2 shows you all the other shitty ads, just not the flash ones? I'm mostly assuming that there are still non-flash apps, as I just don't see ads on the web.
And it's not like you can even play Flash games using flash on a tablet, since none of them integrate keyboards or mice which PC flash games require to operate...
Well, no, you wont be playing Flash games on a tablet if you were stupid enough to buy Apple.
Not all flash games need a keyboard. Or a mouse.
That leaves the only real use of Flash as video.
That is indeed a use, but not the only one. Maybe you don't use many commercial websites, but I do. Many of them use Flash. Many of them just wont work without it. Everything from holiday booking sites to football club sites to parts of the BBC website..
Congratulations on avoiding substantial parts of the web.
Support for Flash on a mobile device is just a curse at this point, now that so many sites support video properly on an iPad.
Support for Flash on a mobile device is perfectly fine. Must be your mobile device that's fucking useless.
The ipad is an iphone for people with smaller dicks*. It's the same OS, comparable screen resolution, comparable function, stupid weight and fucking inconvenient to use.
So writing a tablet app for it is fundamentally the same as writing an iphone app. You just make a minor screen resolution change, republish as "Ipad version!" and get a second sale to the fuckwit that bought your iphone app.
Now I'm not going to pretend the Xoom is anything other than a stupidly oversized Android phone. However at least Android developers already know how to develop multi-resolution applications, and so their phone apps are already implicitly built for the tablet form factor. This means they don't need to recompile, they don't need to re-publish and nobody needs to buy the same software a second time.
That was the somewhat facetious point of Andy Dodd and your overreaction to him makes you look like the "fucking shithead", not him.
In the end...when we don't act like fucking children...we all win. Because BOTH companies will be forced to improve their devices and underlying OS's to stay competitive with each other. That is GOOD for all us consumers, period.
No, Apple customers still lose. They still can't run Flash, they can't use the same software on all their devices and they still suck up the same marketing bullshit. The competition is good though, I'll agree with that, but Apple's monopolistic practices are damaging to the nascent mobile devices market and for that reason alone I hope Steve Jobs is forced to retire and Apple go into steep decline.
* lets face it, most iphone purchasers are compensating for something
What the hell does breeding have to do with getting erections?
It's possible to become a father without ever having an erection.
On the flipside, most erections do not result in children*. Whatever your age, getting an erection is a precursor to some of the finest free entertainment known to mankind (and many other species too).
Also, thanks, but I'll take a limp dick over letting a spider bite me (and probably find some way to lay its nasty eggs in me, only to have them hatching and crawling out of my urethra in the tens of thousands later on).
Ex 1. If 15% of the citizens in England vote for Party X, Party X will make up 15% of Parliament
Hmm, no.
If 15% of the citizens in England vote for Party X, Parties Y and Z will take all of the seats due to the mismatched constituency sizes, the first-past-the-post system and the voting outcomes in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
See also the 2005 election in which two parties received approximately 33-35% of the vote each nationally, and the one that received more votes in England ended up with over 100 seats less than the other.
My apologies, I waited until the "Ultimate Edition" was not only released, but also going for a substantial discount on Steam.
I have 30 games that I've bought and still haven't played; that's one of them. Combined expenditure on them is about the same as buying 3-4 'new' games. It just doesn't make sense.
Last game I paid full price for is the reason I don't have time for those others - FM2011. What can I see, it's been decades and the Collyer brothers _still_ make addictive games..
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why wouldn't the cops have video recorded the screens or taken pictures or screenshots rather than showing a "replay" of the conversation
Maybe they switched on the automatic logging of their IRC client (or whatever it was - I didn't read TFA) and produced the text logs in court.
That's cheap, easy and reasonable. It doesn't include any binaries, and (obviously) doesn't include graphical representation of any smileys.
It's also less sinister than you're suggesting, even though your alternative capture mechanisms would indeed provide a more complete record. Perhaps you should contact the police department and suggest they improve their own processes?
There is a difference. The commonality is that they are both illegal, but there is definitely a difference.
For the record I'm not a paedophile, although Catholic schoolgirls are hot.
(luckily I'm in a country where the age of consent is 16 and I don't have to feel guilty about being attracted to sexually mature young women that just happen to be wearing school clothes)
I play piano and sax. Doesn't have the same effect on chicks. :P
C'mon.. for every 'chick' that swoons over a guitar god there are a dozen that'll drip & spread for some good sax.
This is the point: you want to play guitar, you just buy one. You want to learn to play, you might choose self-learning if you don't want to throw money at lessons.
I would be jealous that your brain works that way, except that because my brain doesn't it probably means I enjoy benefits you'll never realise.
Not everyone is the same. You're lucky in that you can learn this way. I'm not.
It's arguably better as it will provide feedback on your progress while giving you a genuinely entertaining way to learn
For me that's the entire point.
Games are fun.
Positive feedback is good.
Sense of accomplishment is important.
Visible realisable progress is essential.
Turning it into a game means I'll be able to learn to play the guitar. ADHD means that without those elements I'll get bored and never learn it.
I want to play the guitar. I'll buy this game.
In Q4 2010 5.2m of the 14.1m iphones sold worldwide were sold in Europe.
I'm sure you're right thought, that Apple have no interest in projects that only scale to 5m units/quarter, barely more than a third of their total sales.
Given he highlighted that many people can't afford Apple's prices it's only reasonable that he might be one of them.
You're also making unfounded allegations of piracy. He may have legitimately purchased or otherwise acquired the OS; that he's installing it on non-Apple hardware merely means he isn't agreeing to the shrinkwrap agreement, not that he doesn't own the software he's bought.
Well, I'd be on Maemo. Oh. I _am_ on Maemo.
They cant keep up, much less innovate, without Apple
Now that is clearly utter bullshit.
I was using a touchscreen device with a web browser built in before the iPhone was released.
Convergence of telephony, PMP, GPS, PDA and camera into a single device was always going to happen. I was demanding it a decade ago and getting frustrated at how long it took to reach reality.
All Apple have done is add a pretty UI, lock down the device and implement a 30% profit margin on anything the user does.
Yes, app stores predate Apple too.
So please, celebrate the contribution Apple has made, indeed highlight the innovation they have had, but don't go pretending nobody else has ideas. Shit, check the patent violations Apple is being accused of if you really want cold hard evidence.
Contactless payment systems are already live in the UK. I have a contactless payment card in my pocket right now. A retailer with a store in every postcode in the UK is rolling out contactless readers to all of their stores.
Just because other countries aren't there doesn't mean that this isn't very real technology being used in sizable markets.
The irony being that contactless payment standards are already in place, already in use and already.. standard.
Sure, that's the UK, but there's this neat thing with mobile telephones: You can program them. So you could have the UK firmware with the UK payment standard, the EU firmware with the EU payment standard (likely to be the same) and the US firmware with the feature disabled because the US haven't agreed their standard yet.
What Apple can't do is dictate the standard. Their device will be one of many, and have to play by other peoples' rules. Which Jobs hates doing, because he can't charge 30% on it.
To be fair, that's probably not why they wont include it. They wont include it because it's a technology still in its infancy and there's no commercial advantage in being a first adopter - because it's a standard.
America did it
You bastards!
I really really want to love Cuba, its people, its way of life and its world class healthcare system, just to annoy Americans. Unfortunately it's a dictatorship with appalling living standards and brutal totalitarianism, and even America's not that bad yet.
Why should we give you the right to vote the second you walk into this country?
That wasn't being requested. Why should you charge taxes on people that have generously left their own homes to come and contribute to the wealth of the US with their own labour, and don't even get to vote on how that wealth is used?
I do believe you should become citizens before you have the right to vote.
I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't think it's unreasonable to charge taxes either, but don't pretend it's fair or remotely aligned to the orignal (stated) reasons for the US revolution.
Guess what, when people have no rights they have no obligations.
Such as: obeying firearms law, obeying laws introduced by a corrupt political process and performing their civic duty by serving in the military.
Tough shit. Should've thoguht of that before demonising people that may have just been unlucky, may have made an unfortunate mistake they'll never repeat, may have had to make a hard decision or may be delighted that they are no longer morally obliged to follow rules they had no intention of following in the first place.
Payback's a bitch, but it's not fucking justice.
I didn't mention the video on liverpoolfc.tv
Does Skyfire display the flash on their homepage, including the news items?
Does Skyfire display the live match coverage?
Trust me, I've already told lfc to stop using Flash so obnoxiously, but writing it off as mere video is frankly a lie.
Thanks for the last reply, it's good to know you realise how wrong you are.
I agree completely. It doesn't however excuse a second disparate application with a second price tag attached to it, or indeed people gloating about having twice as many apps because each one needs deploying twice.
Which was the original point being raised by Andy Dodd and unnecessarily (and aggressively) put down by Samalie.
Although often 'more of the same' is a good use of the screen real estate. Documents, web pages, map applications and real-time strategy games are all fine examples. Keep the navigational/control elements the same size and display more content.
You aren't used to changing the material displayed according to the size of window it's being displayed in? Without recompiling/redeploying?
Oh well, not everyone's been doing UI development since 24x80 was considered 'high res'.
I can confirm I was not paid to post that. I also currently possess no Android devices (or other Google products, other than email/docs/picasa accounts).
I just hate the bullshit marketing perpetuated by Apple and its blinkered fans.
you're a member of a small but growing contingent of people on here who genuinely need professional help, but don't necessarily fit into any of the current DSM-IV criteria for diagnosis
Yes and no. I do need professional help, for things that don't fit into those criteria. Ironically I don't really need help for the two things that are classified under those criteria. Hey, nobody's normal.
I fear however you're missing the key ingredient in my post that should assuage your concerns over my mental health. It's called humour. We spell it with a u in this country.
Name a site you think "just won't work" without Flash.
http://liverpoolfc.tv/
Ah, swearing, the last resort of someone who knows they have lost the argument.
Or, just possibly, someone that knows how to accentuate their speech through use of broader vocabulary. Sorry, I don't appear to have your hangups over certain words.
What sort of cunt gets worried about language?
I agree; it's a real issue that one supports flash ads when browsing and the other automatically disables them.
Oh, iPad2 comes with adblock now? Just that it's the first thing I install after the web browser on any web-enabled computer I own.
Or do you mean the iPad2 shows you all the other shitty ads, just not the flash ones? I'm mostly assuming that there are still non-flash apps, as I just don't see ads on the web.
And it's not like you can even play Flash games using flash on a tablet, since none of them integrate keyboards or mice which PC flash games require to operate...
Well, no, you wont be playing Flash games on a tablet if you were stupid enough to buy Apple.
Not all flash games need a keyboard. Or a mouse.
That leaves the only real use of Flash as video.
That is indeed a use, but not the only one. Maybe you don't use many commercial websites, but I do. Many of them use Flash. Many of them just wont work without it. Everything from holiday booking sites to football club sites to parts of the BBC website..
Congratulations on avoiding substantial parts of the web.
Support for Flash on a mobile device is just a curse at this point, now that so many sites support video properly on an iPad.
Support for Flash on a mobile device is perfectly fine. Must be your mobile device that's fucking useless.
The ipad is an iphone for people with smaller dicks*. It's the same OS, comparable screen resolution, comparable function, stupid weight and fucking inconvenient to use.
So writing a tablet app for it is fundamentally the same as writing an iphone app. You just make a minor screen resolution change, republish as "Ipad version!" and get a second sale to the fuckwit that bought your iphone app.
Now I'm not going to pretend the Xoom is anything other than a stupidly oversized Android phone. However at least Android developers already know how to develop multi-resolution applications, and so their phone apps are already implicitly built for the tablet form factor. This means they don't need to recompile, they don't need to re-publish and nobody needs to buy the same software a second time.
That was the somewhat facetious point of Andy Dodd and your overreaction to him makes you look like the "fucking shithead", not him.
In the end...when we don't act like fucking children...we all win. Because BOTH companies will be forced to improve their devices and underlying OS's to stay competitive with each other. That is GOOD for all us consumers, period.
No, Apple customers still lose. They still can't run Flash, they can't use the same software on all their devices and they still suck up the same marketing bullshit. The competition is good though, I'll agree with that, but Apple's monopolistic practices are damaging to the nascent mobile devices market and for that reason alone I hope Steve Jobs is forced to retire and Apple go into steep decline.
* lets face it, most iphone purchasers are compensating for something
No one's asking anyone outside the US to celebrate it
Yes they are. Didn't you read the Slashdot article title?
Happy fucking pi day my arse.
What the hell does breeding have to do with getting erections?
It's possible to become a father without ever having an erection.
On the flipside, most erections do not result in children*. Whatever your age, getting an erection is a precursor to some of the finest free entertainment known to mankind (and many other species too).
Also, thanks, but I'll take a limp dick over letting a spider bite me (and probably find some way to lay its nasty eggs in me, only to have them hatching and crawling out of my urethra in the tens of thousands later on).
May I recommend qualified psychiatric assistance?
* read that any way you like :)
Heh, I'll admit I was too lazy to hunt down those stats - but thank you, they demonstrate my point sadly too well.
Ex 1. If 15% of the citizens in England vote for Party X, Party X will make up 15% of Parliament
Hmm, no.
If 15% of the citizens in England vote for Party X, Parties Y and Z will take all of the seats due to the mismatched constituency sizes, the first-past-the-post system and the voting outcomes in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
See also the 2005 election in which two parties received approximately 33-35% of the vote each nationally, and the one that received more votes in England ended up with over 100 seats less than the other.
I'll be supporting STV in the referendum.
My apologies, I waited until the "Ultimate Edition" was not only released, but also going for a substantial discount on Steam.
I have 30 games that I've bought and still haven't played; that's one of them. Combined expenditure on them is about the same as buying 3-4 'new' games. It just doesn't make sense.
Last game I paid full price for is the reason I don't have time for those others - FM2011. What can I see, it's been decades and the Collyer brothers _still_ make addictive games..