exactly. where do you draw the line with controlling how your customers will utilize the service? I remember an America not to long ago where the murderer was guilty instead of the gun manufacturer. Where did those days go?
Can't we all get along and trust that even those really moronic people who shouldn't alter cfg files should have ROOT ACCESS!
If you love something (your cfg files) set them free.
How many of us have run into Lars in an IRC chat? Do any of these guys have any computer knowledge at all? I think it is irrational to say that Metallica
knows like we know what Napster is and does.
More than likely the fiasco arouse from the deceptions of a clan of lawyers whose MO is to distort the truth for profit. This conversation was recorded two weeks ago over a phone tap:
realnames have been replaced with generalites for the protection of the guilty
Lawyer:I hate calling you on saturday, but this is bad. Metallica:No problem Bob, what's up? Lawyer:We have recently been informed of an organization that is distributing your music without paying royalities to you. It doesn't sound good. Metallica:WTF? Are you kidding? Call the police. Shut it down. Lawyer:We are looking into it, but it's not that easy. They are very sneaky. Metallica:i'm sure they are...
else
if metallica really knew that people got together and listened to their music, would they be angry? NO. Seriously how many bands do you know would say "Hey thanks for buying our album, but don't let anyone else hear it. They have to buy it first."??? I think that Metallica isn't the "bad" guys here. Point the finger at the finger pointers. the lawyers.
For what it's worth, Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn came here to Montana a while back and in a small packed conference room at the university we were able to field some questions to these guys.
I was intrigued by what they had to say about the history of them developing TCP. The whole ipv4 that we have now comes from their original general assumption that at most only 9 network nodes at most (colleges, and research centers) would ever be using this silly thing. Now the much needed? shove towards ipv6 has even our toaster beeming with glee. What impressed me the most wasn't Vinton Cerf, but Robert Kahn. Cerf took the money and ran so to say. He has a BIG job at MCIWorldcom and is highly recoginized, but the real meat and potatoes programmer, Robert Kahn, does not have the big glitz job. He is quietly doing research as we code away at nights. This is the man that deserves recognition for the internet. He did the majority of the coding for the stack and was the driving force at it's implementation. Not to down on Cerf because they are both brilliant minds, but it seems the real coders out their never get their due share. For what it's worth...
-------------------------------------------------- - refrig: copy that toaster:2 transmitting butter now.
Has anyone else had trouble seeing DHTML with this thing?
I'm not trying to get char broiled today, but I did load up some of my fav sites with N6 only to be dismayed by it's lack of FUNCTION. Disassemble. Anyone? Is Netscape going to go with a CSS upgrade or are we going to code version 1 forever?
-don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things (; does this qualify as petty?
What does say about Linux or any of the other finer things in life?? That if it's free then we should be suspicious because it will die out soon??
Copeland was making reference to that when artists are unwillingly forced to have their music distributed freely that they will go extinct. Let's look at this a little closer and look at why people go to buy music from the store anyways. Music is without label or description except that it has had a great impact on the souls of mankind throughout history. When we purchase music it is definitely out of rights and respect for the artist.
But how did I hear about this artist? I usually purchase music because a friend let me listen to it and I liked it. Napster is just an natural extension of this. We hear the music and then we go buy the music. This should be a wake up call to bands that aren't talented! We no longer have to buy your stupid album to find out how bad it stinks.
The real fear that studio executives have is that they can't control it or monitor it or be there to hold Napster's hand. God knows they would love to do that. One day they will wake-up and realize that CD sales are still going up ( Eric failed to mention this in the article.) and good artists are still packing in the dough. Then the executive will go back to sleep and know that he didn't do a damn thing to help his client. We did.
I'm not really up for some early morning troll fishing. I'm just mildly curious. Why would anyone with background in unix/linux enviroment worry about "viruses"? The resility of -unix- has been by large far greater than any Limpdows '98 against foreign bacteria. It's been said a thousand times. File permissions baby! I think their might be some confusion on the board about what we are talking about. A virus is not some dumb script that Mr. Joe Malicious user loaded with his login. A virus is a self-propigating infection which has slipped in amongst the heaps of data and has nestled itself into a cosy home with it's own personal PID #. Thanks to a few incidents that have happened in the past (blimp and the infamous worm) unix has evolved past it's infancy. Although not past susceptibility, open source is the key to destroying viruses right away. Some of you remember the days when a patch would take SCO three or four days to get out, but the same "cold" was remedied in hours by our friends on efnet. ( I'm almost done preaching here. hang on. ) Who is this anonymous coward that posted this story??? Billy is that YOU? Let's not be fooled by some corporates idea of a funny ha-ha. Neither can we be locked on to a dependency with a certain company by distribution or support. This is where are hands have been tied up in the past by relying on ABC, inc. to fix our problems. I don't know about you Mr. Garfunky but I'd rather have 10,000 esteemed colleages aiding our companies systems that some bureacratic suits who take to spreading "terror" on newsgroups. ( stepping down. going for the coffee.)
Yahoo! should have seen it coming. They have infested our homes with filthy trash and smut. I'm glad the Christian Coalition decided to take matters into their own hands and destroy those non-family centered corporate smuts. No really. Who has time to run a distributed DOS attack??? You know who you are. Come on do something productive. More stuff like this will bring the "hand of Man" upon use. Be stealthy. Eat oranges.
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exactly. where do you draw the line with controlling how your customers will utilize the service? I remember an America not to long ago where the murderer was guilty instead of the gun manufacturer. Where did those days go?
Can't we all get along and trust that even those really moronic people who shouldn't alter cfg files should have ROOT ACCESS! If you love something (your cfg files) set them free.
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For what it's worth, Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn came here to Montana a while back and in a small packed conference room at the university we were able to field some questions to these guys.
I was intrigued by what they had to say about the history of them developing TCP. The whole ipv4 that we have now comes from their original general assumption that at most only 9 network nodes at most (colleges, and research centers) would ever be using this silly thing. Now the much needed? shove towards ipv6 has even our toaster beeming with glee. What impressed me the most wasn't Vinton Cerf, but Robert Kahn. Cerf took the money and ran so to say. He has a BIG job at MCIWorldcom and is highly recoginized, but the real meat and potatoes programmer, Robert Kahn, does not have the big glitz job. He is quietly doing research as we code away at nights. This is the man that deserves recognition for the internet. He did the majority of the coding for the stack and was the driving force at it's implementation. Not to down on Cerf because they are both brilliant minds, but it seems the real coders out their never get their due share. For what it's worth...
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refrig: copy that toaster:2 transmitting butter now.
I'm not trying to get char broiled today, but I did load up some of my fav sites with N6 only to be dismayed by it's lack of FUNCTION. Disassemble. Anyone? Is Netscape going to go with a CSS upgrade or are we going to code version 1 forever?
-don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things (;
does this qualify as petty?
who taught him that slick trick?
What does say about Linux or any of the other finer things in life?? That if it's free then we should be suspicious because it will die out soon??
Copeland was making reference to that when artists are unwillingly forced to have their music distributed freely that they will go extinct. Let's look at this a little closer and look at why people go to buy music from the store anyways. Music is without label or description except that it has had a great impact on the souls of mankind throughout history. When we purchase music it is definitely out of rights and respect for the artist.
But how did I hear about this artist? I usually purchase music because a friend let me listen to it and I liked it. Napster is just an natural extension of this. We hear the music and then we go buy the music. This should be a wake up call to bands that aren't talented! We no longer have to buy your stupid album to find out how bad it stinks.
The real fear that studio executives have is that they can't control it or monitor it or be there to hold Napster's hand. God knows they would love to do that. One day they will wake-up and realize that CD sales are still going up ( Eric failed to mention this in the article.) and good artists are still packing in the dough. Then the executive will go back to sleep and know that he didn't do a damn thing to help his client. We did.
I'm not really up for some early morning troll fishing. I'm just mildly curious. Why would anyone with background in unix/linux enviroment worry about "viruses"? The resility of -unix- has been by large far greater than any Limpdows '98 against foreign bacteria. It's been said a thousand times. File permissions baby! I think their might be some confusion on the board about what we are talking about. A virus is not some dumb script that Mr. Joe Malicious user loaded with his login. A virus is a self-propigating infection which has slipped in amongst the heaps of data and has nestled itself into a cosy home with it's own personal PID #. Thanks to a few incidents that have happened in the past (blimp and the infamous worm) unix has evolved past it's infancy. Although not past susceptibility, open source is the key to destroying viruses right away. Some of you remember the days when a patch would take SCO three or four days to get out, but the same "cold" was remedied in hours by our friends on efnet. ( I'm almost done preaching here. hang on. ) Who is this anonymous coward that posted this story??? Billy is that YOU? Let's not be fooled by some corporates idea of a funny ha-ha. Neither can we be locked on to a dependency with a certain company by distribution or support. This is where are hands have been tied up in the past by relying on ABC, inc. to fix our problems. I don't know about you Mr. Garfunky but I'd rather have 10,000 esteemed colleages aiding our companies systems that some bureacratic suits who take to spreading "terror" on newsgroups. ( stepping down. going for the coffee.)
Yahoo! should have seen it coming. They have infested our homes with filthy trash and smut. I'm glad the Christian Coalition decided to take matters into their own hands and destroy those non-family centered corporate smuts. No really. Who has time to run a distributed DOS attack??? You know who you are. Come on do something productive. More stuff like this will bring the "hand of Man" upon use. Be stealthy. Eat oranges.