I'm sorry, but saying that it's ok that the Voting Rights Act wouldn't survive just isn't good enough. It's a demonstrated flaw of such a system, and to gloss over it like that while ignoring the problem doesn't work.
You are completely off-base with that comment about the Tea Party. I (as a tea partier) have no problem with unions in general except for public position unions and the ridiculous demands and perks they get paid for by the taxpayers. Unions are unnecessary if they work for the government since it is the government that sets most of the workplace environment regulations to begin with which makes unions redundant.
FALSE. There is absolutely nothing of basis or worth in this statement. There is nothing wrong with public unions. Your right to collectively bargain and form associations should NOT change depending on who your employer is. And those "demands" are not ridiculous, just about every major study on the subject has found that public sector workers are compensated LESS than their private sector counterparts.
PS: When you see someone who has an actual pension, or better working conditions than you do, the answer is NOT to say, "Why does he get that and I don't? We need to get rid of it!" The answer is to say, "Why does he get that and I don't? How can we get that from our employers as well?" Just because they have stronger bargaining positions than you do is no reason to hate them.
Add to that the fact the union dues are used to support or lobby for political positions that all the members do not necessarily agree with but are forced to pay into and therefore support.
I can say the exact same thing about donations made by corporations. My hard work and effort went into the company getting that money. Furthermore, I have shares in that company. Yet, I am forced to let those revenues go to support political positions that I despise. If you're going to bitch about union political donations, you must be against corporate political donations as well.
Um... yeah! Because China is the right-wing "city on the hill" that all "teabaggers" wish to emulate.
When it comes to the regulatory environment concerning businesses, yes, it is.
The example you ares seeing in China is fine example of why less government is a good idea.
Nope. Considering they barely have any regulations to speak of, and any they do aren't really enforced, they're not going to be a example in your favor on this. If they actually had regulations, and enforced them, and this happened, then maybe you'd have a point.
Almost no regulations, and lack of enforcement of those regulations is what the Tea Partiers want. Coincidentally, that's what they have in China.
So because a completely different system had too much government, the answer is to become like the other system that has destroyed the environment, which has no regulation?
And no, our government is nowhere near close to what was going on under Soviet rule.
(if you follow Real Unemployment rather than the government's "officially skewed" numbers that lose a lot of people).
So we should follow your skewed numbers, which include people like stay-at-home moms, students, and the retired in their numbers of who's "unemployed".
I still think to get hung up over the idea that it doesn't do email is stupid. Email could have easily been shoehorned in there. And saying that killing it because it doesn't do email is not the right decision.
The Zune was a good device. However, it was something like 5 years too late. It was about as good as an iPod, but by that time, it needed to be incredibly, significantly better than the iPod for anyone to care.
They got another chance with their Zune HD Touch (or whatever it was called), but decided that it didn't need to be able to run apps, and so there was almost no reason to get one.
They have plenty of brains. Some of the smartest people in the world are working there. For once, though, they need more people with vision. People who aren't business drones.
Well, in the past...everyone DID pay, and when federal income tax started...most people were in poverty.
WRONG. When the income tax started, only those on top were paying.
And I also think it would help, if all govt. benefits/handouts/welfare/food stamps all required the person to work and show proof of working, or trying to get a job.
Just about all of them do already. Face it, your bitching at the poor is nothing more than a red herring.
No, you're a jackass because you think someone who is just barely scraping by should have to pay income taxes, because you don't think they're paying enough.
I've read that people making upwards of $40K a year...with all the exemptions....pay 0% federal tax.
And have you actually looked at their household? How many kids they have? Whether they're married or not? Any number of important details that could change the situation that you so conveniently gloss over.
I have to pay all those taxes too....no one should be exempt for paying some taxes.
Good thing nobody is, jackass. Everyone is paying at least sales taxes, social security taxes, and payroll taxes. Singling out the income tax is purely politics, and is retarded.
If I have to pay them, so should anyone else that earns any money whatsoever.
That statement just confirms that you're a jackass.
There are disputes as to whether it would be cheaper to have them as full time employees or contractors, due to the costs of benefits and such. However, contractor or full time employee is irrelevant, as both should be paid a fair and competitive wage.
You haven't been paying attention, then. Pretty much all of them think that government employee numbers should be severely cut, and those that remain should be paid poverty wages. Not thinking at all what the people are actually doing, or what the market rate for that is. Doesn't matter, they work for the government, suddenly they don't deserve fair wages.
Oh noes! Unions actually fight to keep decent benefits for their members! The horror! They should be willing to gut everything for the enrichment of their employers, just like everyone else has!
Next time you want to rant against union benefits, remember, the correct position is not "Why do they still have this when I don't!", it's "Why do I not have this while they do?" Don't be pissed off because someone was able to negotiate a better deal than you.
That and also...frankly, I have NO problem with having everyone, start paying at least some Federal tax.
Whenever you bitch about people not paying income tax, remember that 1). THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO FUCKING MONEY, and 2). They already pay many, many other taxes. Income taxes are not the only taxes around. They still pay Medicare taxes, SS taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, etc. To pretend like not paying income tax is some loophole is absurdly retarded.
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Wow, spamming that shit all over this thread isn't annoying in the slightest.
I'm sorry, but saying that it's ok that the Voting Rights Act wouldn't survive just isn't good enough. It's a demonstrated flaw of such a system, and to gloss over it like that while ignoring the problem doesn't work.
Give us a listing of these countries. And also demonstrate evidence showing how they meet your points.
You can try and say my understanding is wrong all you want, but the actions and words of the TP legislators say otherwise.
Yes. And for you to pretend that there aren't significant differences between the parties, especially as regards this topic, is childish.
You are completely off-base with that comment about the Tea Party. I (as a tea partier) have no problem with unions in general except for public position unions and the ridiculous demands and perks they get paid for by the taxpayers. Unions are unnecessary if they work for the government since it is the government that sets most of the workplace environment regulations to begin with which makes unions redundant.
FALSE. There is absolutely nothing of basis or worth in this statement. There is nothing wrong with public unions. Your right to collectively bargain and form associations should NOT change depending on who your employer is. And those "demands" are not ridiculous, just about every major study on the subject has found that public sector workers are compensated LESS than their private sector counterparts.
PS: When you see someone who has an actual pension, or better working conditions than you do, the answer is NOT to say, "Why does he get that and I don't? We need to get rid of it!" The answer is to say, "Why does he get that and I don't? How can we get that from our employers as well?" Just because they have stronger bargaining positions than you do is no reason to hate them.
Add to that the fact the union dues are used to support or lobby for political positions that all the members do not necessarily agree with but are forced to pay into and therefore support.
I can say the exact same thing about donations made by corporations. My hard work and effort went into the company getting that money. Furthermore, I have shares in that company. Yet, I am forced to let those revenues go to support political positions that I despise. If you're going to bitch about union political donations, you must be against corporate political donations as well.
Um... yeah! Because China is the right-wing "city on the hill" that all "teabaggers" wish to emulate.
When it comes to the regulatory environment concerning businesses, yes, it is.
The example you ares seeing in China is fine example of why less government is a good idea.
Nope. Considering they barely have any regulations to speak of, and any they do aren't really enforced, they're not going to be a example in your favor on this. If they actually had regulations, and enforced them, and this happened, then maybe you'd have a point.
Almost no regulations, and lack of enforcement of those regulations is what the Tea Partiers want. Coincidentally, that's what they have in China.
So because a completely different system had too much government, the answer is to become like the other system that has destroyed the environment, which has no regulation?
And no, our government is nowhere near close to what was going on under Soviet rule.
Only a damned fool is going to buy stuff made in China.
So where'd you buy your computer from? How about the chips inside it?
(if you follow Real Unemployment rather than the government's "officially skewed" numbers that lose a lot of people).
So we should follow your skewed numbers, which include people like stay-at-home moms, students, and the retired in their numbers of who's "unemployed".
Their government doesn't have to compromise or reach consensus between ruling parties with vastly differing ideologies and goals.
I still think to get hung up over the idea that it doesn't do email is stupid. Email could have easily been shoehorned in there. And saying that killing it because it doesn't do email is not the right decision.
Zune had their software for this, though. And in many regards, it was better than iTunes. The Zune Pass was a pretty great addition.
The Zune was a good device. However, it was something like 5 years too late. It was about as good as an iPod, but by that time, it needed to be incredibly, significantly better than the iPod for anyone to care.
They got another chance with their Zune HD Touch (or whatever it was called), but decided that it didn't need to be able to run apps, and so there was almost no reason to get one.
What I really don't get is why it couldn't easily tie into Office through their cloud storage thingy. That would be the perfect tie in for it.
They have plenty of brains. Some of the smartest people in the world are working there. For once, though, they need more people with vision. People who aren't business drones.
Well, in the past...everyone DID pay, and when federal income tax started...most people were in poverty.
WRONG. When the income tax started, only those on top were paying.
And I also think it would help, if all govt. benefits/handouts/welfare/food stamps all required the person to work and show proof of working, or trying to get a job.
Just about all of them do already. Face it, your bitching at the poor is nothing more than a red herring.
No, you're a jackass because you think someone who is just barely scraping by should have to pay income taxes, because you don't think they're paying enough.
I've read that people making upwards of $40K a year...with all the exemptions....pay 0% federal tax.
And have you actually looked at their household? How many kids they have? Whether they're married or not? Any number of important details that could change the situation that you so conveniently gloss over.
I have to pay all those taxes too....no one should be exempt for paying some taxes.
Good thing nobody is, jackass. Everyone is paying at least sales taxes, social security taxes, and payroll taxes. Singling out the income tax is purely politics, and is retarded.
If I have to pay them, so should anyone else that earns any money whatsoever.
That statement just confirms that you're a jackass.
There are disputes as to whether it would be cheaper to have them as full time employees or contractors, due to the costs of benefits and such. However, contractor or full time employee is irrelevant, as both should be paid a fair and competitive wage.
Try sending that same toilet seat into space.
You haven't been paying attention, then. Pretty much all of them think that government employee numbers should be severely cut, and those that remain should be paid poverty wages. Not thinking at all what the people are actually doing, or what the market rate for that is. Doesn't matter, they work for the government, suddenly they don't deserve fair wages.
Take a look, but I would imagine that some of that would be buying product for the stores on military bases.
Oh noes! Unions actually fight to keep decent benefits for their members! The horror! They should be willing to gut everything for the enrichment of their employers, just like everyone else has!
Next time you want to rant against union benefits, remember, the correct position is not "Why do they still have this when I don't!", it's "Why do I not have this while they do?" Don't be pissed off because someone was able to negotiate a better deal than you.
That and also...frankly, I have NO problem with having everyone, start paying at least some Federal tax.
Whenever you bitch about people not paying income tax, remember that 1). THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO FUCKING MONEY, and 2). They already pay many, many other taxes. Income taxes are not the only taxes around. They still pay Medicare taxes, SS taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, etc. To pretend like not paying income tax is some loophole is absurdly retarded.