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The Story Behind the Demise of the Microsoft Courier Tablet

UnknowingFool writes "When the Courier project was leaked out, it was a bold look at how MS would design new tablets. Microsoft was currently selling tablets but they didn't make a dent in the market. The problem was it was too bold. According to the story Ballmer had two competing executive visions for tablets: J. Allard and Steven Sinofsky. Allard's vision was very different from MS thinking while Sinofsky's was more in line with existing Windows but was years away. Ballmer called on Gates to help and Gates met with Allard. Gates was apparently troubled on how Courier would not mesh with Windows or Office. The project was cancelled shortly thereafter. An interesting detail was that Courier was more complete than most outsiders knew. While there was no one prototype that unified all the concepts of Courier, there were parallel efforts in the different aspects of it."

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  1. Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I imagine that one of their complaints about the Xbox was that it couldn't be tied into Windows or Office either, but it ended up being a big money-maker. And even that has stagnated since Allard left the project. He was one of the very few "outside the box" guys that MS ever had. He was the one who warned Gates in the mid-90's that the internet was coming on big and that they needed to adapt Windows to the online world. He was the one who encouraged them to think more like Apple back when MS was still thinking "Apple?!? Ha, those guys will never amount to anything." The Zune was about his only misstep, and in fairness he was being tasked with an almost impossible thing there (catch up with the iPod after the iPod had already become the killer app).

    Ballmer has been a shit leader at MS. And Gates isn't helping by still backing him. Losing Allard is just another symptom of the disease over there.

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    1. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Funny

      IOW, you are saying MS is now a rich Zombie of a corporation?
      This explains why they were asking for smart people. (Braaaiiins, needs Braaaiiins)

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    2. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      No, they need more hearts and guts in their diet.

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    3. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Haxagon · · Score: 1

      Nah, they knew that the Xbox didn't need to tie into Office, if only because it was for a drastically different market. The courier was a true business tablet, a creation machine. Allard made the mistake of leaving it disconnected, and we all paid for it.

    4. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      IOW, you are saying MS is now a rich Zombie of a corporation?
      This explains why they were asking for smart people. (Braaaiiins, needs Braaaiiins)

      They have the brains, but they don't have the guts to use them.

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    5. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The zune had potential, the problem was that Microsoft let the RIAA dictate it's software.

      the heaping piles of steamy DRM on the unit made it fail. it's "share tunes feature" was a ipod killer, and if MSFT told the RIAA to stuff it in their ass sideways and made the thing without any DRM in it it could have really made a difference.

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    6. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Microsoft needed the DRM more than the RIAA, in their own minds. They now they are on top only through vendor lock-in, there is no better lock-in than DRM.

    7. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      I imagine that one of their complaints about the Xbox was that it couldn't be tied into Windows or Office either, but it ended up being a big money-maker.

      [citation needed]

      Xbox is still a billion-plus money-sink as far as I'm aware, and they'll have to spend billions more releasing a new one soon. Even if it's actually broken even, Microsoft could have made much more money by buying more Apple stock instead of developing game consoles.

    8. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by westlake · · Score: 1

      I imagine that one of their complaints about the Xbox was that it couldn't be tied into Windows or Office either, but it ended up being a big money-maker. And even that has stagnated since Allard left the project.

      Kinect does not look like stagnation.

      The Xbox 360 is likely getting a Fall update that contains significant graphical updates and a few new features, Kinect motion and voice navigation, Bing integration, and, ultimately, live television streaming.

      If Microsoft's dashboard update looks familiar, it's because the design fits in the same family as the user interface for both the company's Windows Phone 7 OS and Windows 8 developer preview. In other words, Xbox Live will fit rather seamlessly into Microsoft's upcoming system OS, a future integration promised by none other than Xbox Live's own Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb.

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    9. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Bent+Mind · · Score: 1

      I imagine that one of their complaints about the Xbox was that it couldn't be tied into Windows or Office either

      My 2 seconds of Googling didn't find it. However, I remember Gates talking about a completely sealed computer system running Windows NT. The idea was that the system would only run MS software on MS hardware. No upgrades would be possible. I always figured the Xbox evolved from that prototype.

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    10. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

      It looks like the 360 became profitable back in 2008. That could have changed by now.

    11. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by citizenr · · Score: 1

      I imagine that one of their complaints about the Xbox was that it couldn't be tied into Windows or Office either, but it ended up being a big money-maker.

      ~$9B in the red and starting to make a $100Mil per quarter is NOT a big money maker.

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    12. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. The Zune failed for different reasons.
      1. Brown
      2. Roughly the same price as an iPod
      3. Roughly the same features and performance of an iPod
      4. No Mac Support (the iPod did Mac and Windows support)
      5. They came in when the iPod was already really cool.
      6. No one really liked Microsoft at the time. (During the time of Mass XP Viruses, Windows Longhorn delays, IE 6 showing its age...)

      Without the DRM Microsoft would have failed further because no publishing company will give them rights to the music.

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    13. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It looks like the 360 became profitable back in 2008.

      The 360 started making more money than it cost on a quarterly basis. I believe it's still a long way from paying back the money that's been spent on it over the years, and is unlikely to do that before they have to spend billions developing the replacement.

    14. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Kinect does not look like stagnation.

      Kinect wasn't developed at Microsoft, was it? I thought they bought that in from an third party?

    15. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

      Ah, gotcha. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they never entirely recoup what they've dropped.

      Though I also wouldn't be surprised if they consider it successful (beyond sunk costs) as a defensive move. The defining lines between various computing devices gets blurrier every day.

    16. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      I completely agree, that was big mistake. But you'd think that a prototype-level device could've been made to fit the company vision before getting the axe.

      When the courier leaked everyone I knew said something like, "Holy hell Microsoft. Finally an awesome widget... shut up and take my money." And maybe that's Microsoft's biggest weakness... not being able to hear what people are saying.

      It's really pretty sad, and the brain drain at Microsoft over stupid stuff like this has got to be pretty demoralizing.

    17. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I don't think the DRM came from RIAA requirements. The truth is, Microsoft had an agenda. They developed WMA, WMV, and associated DRM specifically so that they could dominate media distribution. They would have made a fortune in licensing fees as well as creating a strong vendor lock-in.

      The iPod was the only thing that really prevented Microsoft from controlling all of your audio/video entertainment.

    18. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      It failed for the same reason most non-iPods fail, and why the iPod succeeded ...iTunes

      Microsoft like most others missed the point, the iPod sold because it was ludicrously easy to get music on it ... and manage it, so it was bought by Apple's normal type of customer, non-technical ..... the Zune had no iTunes equivalent and so you had to learn how to rip CD's download music from a site then upload to the player etc ... for the same price as an iPod ... ?

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    19. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by nine-times · · Score: 1

      The Zune was about his only misstep

      In fairness, Zunes aren't really bad. They're pretty good, but they're just not as good as iPods. The interface design is pretty attractive and clever, and in fact has basically lead to the UI being used for the Windows phone OS and Windows 8.

    20. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      ....it's what they wanted to evolve into that vision, they wanted the XBOX to be a home media centre, play games, watch movies, play music all on the XBox, now why do you need a PC ?

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    21. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Korin43 · · Score: 2

      4. No Mac Support (the iPod did Mac and Windows support)

      Come on, how many Mac users were going to buy a Zune anyway?

    22. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Kinect does not look like stagnation.

      That's because you have to jump all around and gesticulate while using it. But stop for a minute and you'll stagnate allright.

    23. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      Basically, the Zune was a "me too" product. The Courier, however, had the potential to be unique and cool, but it was too bold for MS, so they missed a chance, and now the Fire is filling one of the gaps left by the iPad. (mine is on order).

      Luck favors the bold. If MS doesn't seem to be getting any new luck, it is because their marketing strategy is cowardly and not willing to take risks.

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    24. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      With no Mac support they guaranteed that number was zero.

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    25. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      asically lead to the UI being used for the Windows phone OS

      Yes, another huge seller.

    26. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      They have plenty of brains. Some of the smartest people in the world are working there. For once, though, they need more people with vision. People who aren't business drones.

    27. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      What I really don't get is why it couldn't easily tie into Office through their cloud storage thingy. That would be the perfect tie in for it.

    28. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      The Zune was a good device. However, it was something like 5 years too late. It was about as good as an iPod, but by that time, it needed to be incredibly, significantly better than the iPod for anyone to care.

      They got another chance with their Zune HD Touch (or whatever it was called), but decided that it didn't need to be able to run apps, and so there was almost no reason to get one.

    29. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by delinear · · Score: 1

      For Apple, tapping into the Windows market is a huge new potential revenue stream. For MS, tapping into the Mac market probably didn't justify the return on investment. Where they needed to focus their efforts was on getting the thing right for their main audience first and then migrating it to other platforms later - unfortunately they never did get that first part right.

    30. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      Zune had their software for this, though. And in many regards, it was better than iTunes. The Zune Pass was a pretty great addition.

    31. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by delinear · · Score: 1

      It's still supporting the platform, that's clearly not stagnation. Microsoft have done a lot of things wrong, and even with the XBOX they've not always got things right (RRoD), but it still seems like a well supported product for the time being.

    32. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by delinear · · Score: 1

      Ironically my original XBOX could do all of those things. Just not natively with all the lockdowns MS put in place. It was only when I cracked it open and soldered in a chip and installed a Linux distro running XBMC that it became the all-singing, all-dancing media centre it always promised to be. A lot of these companies are so focused on locking down the media that they fail to deliver the device the public want (and I guess for them it's seen as a justified risk, as owning the media would make them a mint, but they have to make it work first, messing around with Windows Media Centre to connect to a PC is just hassle).

    33. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      The idea was that the system would only run MS software on MS hardware. No upgrades would be possible. .

      And it'd come in various colors named after fruit.

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    34. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is another side to the Xbox that you are overlooking. They wanted Microsoft in the living room and they got it. Depending on the index their brand is somewhere in the top 5 in the world. Many of the indexes have put them above Google and Apple. Their brand has been growing steadily. I can't say with certainty that Xbox was a big part of that growth, but there are Microsoft fanbois now. What's the price of a fanboi? I'm not saying they are worth billions, but I think at least some of the money they sank into the Xbox was to get them and to make Microsoft a living room brand name. And they succeeded at that.

    35. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by b0bby · · Score: 1

      This is exactly right. I'm still using a 30Gb Zune in my kitchen; it's a nice little player, syncs wirelessly and has a radio which I use a lot. But I only got it because it was cheap on woot - it wasn't really better than an ipod on balance when new. The HD really lacked compared to an ipod touch, there was no reason to get that unless again you got it at a fire sale price.

    36. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      Think about it this way: there is practically no investment in making the Zune Mac compatible. That's a couple KB of firmware at the most (and if licenses are the issue I'm sure the MS Mac Business unit already pays for them).

      Now, if you are a PC owner going out to buy an MP3 player and you have friends who have Macs, friends who have PCs - you're going to want something that is Mac compatible. That way you can hook it up to your friend's Mac and get all his music in addition to all of your music and your PC friends' music. Also, if you want to use your MP3 player as a regular storage device for files, you may need Mac compatibility for school/work/relatives/friends.

      Microsoft fell victim to the same mistake you just did -- they assumed that Mac compatibility means nothing to PC-only users. Sure, that was true in the 90s, but that was a while ago. After over a decade of record breaking Mac hardware sales, compatibility matters. Also, not all Mac users are zealots (those are just the loudest). I know plenty of Mac users who also own an XBox.

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    37. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by i_b_don · · Score: 1

      I never heard once in my life a friend of mine use this as a reason for buying an ipod.

      And personally, Itunes and the insanity that is "getting music onto an ipod" is the #1 reason I regret buying my ipod. I recognize that I'm not the average customer, but I still have never heard of it as a selling feature.

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    38. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by i_b_don · · Score: 1

      I would be surprised if they DON'T make back all the money they invested going forward. They have successfully cut themselves a niche in a lucrative marketplace which had VERY high and expensive barriers to entry. Are they going to get kicked out of this marketplace in the next 5 years? 10 years? I wouldn't bet in that direction. Microsoft does somethings very well and hardware is not one of them. But, now that they have successful hardware in the homes I have confidence in their ability to create and manage the very profitable software end of things for many years to come.

      Again, who's going to push them out of the market? Sony? Nintendo? Sorry, don't believe it.

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    39. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      At the current rate, MS will break even on it within the next 10 years. The problem is if they need to start developing/manufacturing another generation within that time. Then the costs will drop the product back to negative again.

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    40. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

      So basically, if I get what you're saying, it's Somebody Else's Problem?

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    41. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, how many Mac users were going to buy Microsoft Office anyway?

      FTFY.

    42. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The problem for the Zune that they were only good. To overcome Apple's dominant position, they had to be great. The original Zune had some advantages over the iPod Classic. Then Apple released the Touch and the Zune never caught up. MS was focused so much on making a competing media player that they fell behind when Apple changed the rules by making the Touch a mobile computing device that could play media and other things.

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    43. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

      I don't know that it's about being pushed out so much as the cost of staying there. And if rumors of a next generation console are true, it complicates things. But you could certainly be right.

      I do think it's fair to say they're trying to make money with it in every way possible. The current dashboard was basically an upgrade away from "your video game console" to an entirely ad-centric sales platform. They're pushing the zune media store on there like it's the cure for cancer, though nobody I know has ever used it (at like $7 per rental in microsoft money). Of course, there's the microsoft money itself... a version of the old arcade token scam. And obviously they're all about the digital game sales and delivery, paid advertising slots for non-gaming products and services, charging developers to make content for the device, etc.

      But they're in a good position, that's true. And we'll see what happens. I don't love that the next dash update looks like it's going to get even more obnoxious with the in-your-face selling. Last screenshot I saw looked like 4 out of 5 screen elements were advertising. But there's not much one can do about it, I guess.

    44. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by i_b_don · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the barrier to entry is all about the software market. No one wants to buy even the coolest gaming rig if there aren't games. Building a gaming rig is actually pretty easy in comparison to building the hardware. I mean, hell, MS will just go out and source a bunch of PC based chips and package them all inside their box. Before they have the software market, they have to pay people to develop software and work really hard to support them in their development work. This is the REAL barrier to entry for this market. Once they have a software market they can CHARGE for their help and their design tools. Building a new box is just not that big an investment.

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    45. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      ~$9B in the red and starting to make a $100Mil per quarter is NOT a big money maker.

      I bet if you factor in 13 million Xbox Live Gold subscribers paying an additional $70 every year they own the console (that's almost a billion $ every year right there), plus the cut they get off every game sold, they're making a helluva lot more than shows up in raw console sales figures.

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    46. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by mercnet · · Score: 1

      One of the reasons I took a chance on buying Xbox 1 was that I knew Microsoft would keep pumping money into it instead of letting it failed. That Xmas morning with my brother was a blast playing Halo campaign in co-op mode!

    47. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by citizenr · · Score: 1

      ~$9B in the red and starting to make a $100Mil per quarter is NOT a big money maker.

      I bet if you factor in 13 million Xbox Live Gold subscribers paying an additional $70 every year they own the console (that's almost a billion $ every year right there), plus the cut they get off every game sold, they're making a helluva lot more than shows up in raw console sales figures.

      except those are not raw console sales, those are WHOLE entertainment unit profits, 100mil per quarter

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    48. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by bell.colin · · Score: 1

      Actually initially iTunes/iPod only supported MACs, they added Windows versions/support later. (plus the first versions were firewire/ieee-1394,not USB which most PCs did not have)

      Zune failed because it was just plain ugly, hell i think someone even sold hollowed out zunes specifically designed to hide iPods from theft because no one would be caught dead even stealing a zune.

      And then there was the fiasco when MS terminated the music licenses one day and no-one could play what they had purchased.

    49. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Which is a shame that they didn't push Zune to Windows 7, because the new WMP12 interface is beyond easy to manage even large media libraries. I have mine set so on my tunes I transfer to my netbook the files are converted to 192k (to save space) and on my little 4gb flash PMP that i listen to while working its 64k (because frankly its just background music and I can't tell the difference on those earbuds) and on my USB drive its the full 320k. Its all easy, its all simple, hell my dad could use WMP12.

      As for TFA it just goes to show what I've been saying for years is true, that Ballmer is a piss poor CEO and that it was him being gates little buddy that got him the job. But Gates has been out of the loop too long and hasn't been keeping on top of the market. frankly if they hadn't brought in the Office guys to help build Windows 7 they would have had double failures on their hands. Courier was a perfect design for a consumption device and if they wanted Office so bad they could have always ported it to the new interface.

      I just hope when Ballmer screws the pooch with Windows 8, which everyone I've shown screencaps of it to have absolutely HATED the new UI, that he will be forced to 'pursue other interests" and they will bring someone in to right the company and bring some much needed vision. MSFT today reminds me of Apple back when the Pepsi guy was at the helm, a bunch of different groups going in different directions and no real overarching strategy at play. Just look at the moves under Ballmer, Zune, kin, rushing out the X360 despite a fatal flaw with the cooling system, killing playsforsure for the Zune market, its just been one stupid move after another. The man just has no vision and to steal a line from the late Jobs, no taste.

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    50. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think you are seriously underestimating the costs of developing the next generation of console hardware. Getting a bunch of PC chips would seriously hamper backwards compatibility which would destroy any software advantage as their current hardware relies on cell processors not x86. Even then designing hardware isn't easy. The reason that the Xbox 360 had such a high failure rate was that they missed details in the engineering and the consoles failed due to overheating.

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    51. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Korin43 · · Score: 1

      ... That way you can hook it up to your friend's Mac and get all his music in addition to all of your music and your PC friends' music.

      Except that both the Zune and the iPod are designed to not allow this anyway. Copying music is stealing, remember?

      Also, if you want to use your MP3 player as a regular storage device for files, you may need Mac compatibility for school/work/relatives/friends.

      Just get a USB drive -- they cost something like $5, don't require an adapter, are tiny, and work everywhere.

    52. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      With all those smart people, they should be able to create a virtual leader that uses solid reasoning when developing new product strategies, and multiple kinects to provide the vision!

    53. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      I really liked the interface through. Especially on my WinMo phone!

    54. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by emilper · · Score: 1

      add this:
      7. Apple customers have larger disposable incomes: they can afford to splurge extra money on music; the rest just got other mp3 players that did not check for DRM, were not status symbols, but just played music. Had one myself the size of an USB-stick, 256 MB storage, very good sound and made in Europe.

    55. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      And for someone in love with DRM, allowing a mobile USB hard drive to show up as a mobile USB hard drive and thus work on anything that can read a mobile USB hard drive would not seem like a good way to gain compatibility!

      Says my iRiver...

    56. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a Fire. I don't even know what it is. But to suggest that it will replace the iPod is to ignore the massload of games that exist for that platform.

      In case you missed it these past few years, kids aren't really playing Nintendo or Sony handhelds any more. They have an iPod Touch instead, the new Gameboy for the internet age.

    57. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      So Xbox Live costs over half a billion $ a year to run?!? Wow, Sony must REALLY be taking a bath on PSN then.

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    58. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire means Kindle Fire, an Android-ish tablet from Amazon. Not a handheld game-only device.

    59. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      For one, the Courier didn't leak. It was shown off on purpose.

      Secondly, it never existed in the first place. It was a mockup that was shown off, not a functioning device meant for consumers. Think, pre-prototype. It's doubtful that MS had the engineering knowhow and industry connections to make it at a price that was comparable to the iPad.

      Microsoft's sole reason for showing off the Courier was to attempt to take thunder away from a competing product that had beat them to market. This is just another in a long string of thunder-takers that MS has shown off in the past, in their attempts to get people to hold off buying *cool widget* and they rarely intend to actually compete by bringing any of their little *cool widget clones* to actual market.

      This trick is getting so old (remember they were doing this after Windows 95 came out, up to today) that it is surprising that anybody falls for it any more. Certainly the bought and paid for IT "press" isn't going around reminding us about the many lies of MS, but that's no excuse for us all to have such a short memory.

    60. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      Ah, OK, it's an Android thing. Looks like Amazon has an app store, but I wonder how many apps are in the store?

      Looks like there's 20 apps for the Fire up already.

    61. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, but they might have been more worried about losing Sinofsky.

    62. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by krinderlin · · Score: 1

      I've bought the 2nd half of the latest Dr. Who season off Zune. However, that was only because:

      1. 1) Price wise, it was a $25-ish dollar point buy on Zune in 720p where as Amazon VOD was $31.99 in the same and $.
      2. 2) It was unavailable on Hulu (and of course Netflix).
      3. 3) I'm desperately in love with Rory. ;-)

      Anyway, I don't knock Zune TV. It's not all bad. Just need to fix that damn "Rental" bull. HD rentals for $1.00 would work much better.

    63. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by i_b_don · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I do this type of stuff for a living. Designing the next generation Cisco router is hard. Major design hurdles in heating and power. Designing new asics running faster than anything before it. Packaging everything together with the reliability that an enterprise customer demands... that's hard. Creating a mini-PC in a box by subbing out all the hard parts to other companies (graphics processor, micro processor, memory, etc...) just isn't as hard.

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    64. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      That's largely in part from bleeding customers for every last penny by making them buy subscriptions, not allowing developers to give anything away and offering as little as possible in the hardware and then selling over priced add-ons.

      Despite that I think the whole xbox division hasn't made back all the money that was lost. They're just not losing more money and earning on what's being sold.

    65. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I'd argue it is. That is why they're looking at supporting Kinect through other uses. I would guess it's become apparent that a big chunk of the units sold are not being used for gaming and instead used for other means. There are only 60 games for Kinect and most of them are complete trash. One of their quality titles (kinect sports) has only sold 3 million units compared to at least 10 million kinects. It would be really interesting to know how many kinect purchases actually resulted in games being bought.

    66. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      add this:
      7. Apple customers have larger disposable incomes

      No, for example the iphone is the most common smartphone in the world, it is not exclusive to those with higher than average disposable incomes.

    67. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Xbox is still a billion-plus money-sink as far as I'm aware, and they'll have to spend billions more releasing a new one soon.

      Why would they have to spend billions to release a new xbox? Consoles are no longer offline disconnected devices, they are hardly going to abandon the huge platform, OS and connected ecosystem they have developed, they'll simply upgrade the hardware and that doesn't cost billions.

    68. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Getting a bunch of PC chips would seriously hamper backwards compatibility which would destroy any software advantage as their current hardware relies on cell processors not x86.

      The current generation of XBox doesn't use the Cell processor, they use a tri-core PowerPC chip and upgrading that is hardly a costly process. Assuming they stick to a PowerPC chip and a DirectX-compatible GPU (and there's no reason to think they wouldn't) they can easily maintain all their software and hardware compatibility.

    69. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Kinect wasn't developed at Microsoft, was it? I thought they bought that in from an third party?

      The hardware was developed by a third party but all of the skeletal tracking, associated APIs and voice functionality was developed by microsoft. Kinda like apple, pretty much all the innovative hardware was developed by other companies, but it's being able pull that all together to produce a final product and get it to market that is the hard bit.

    70. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      As someone pointed out, Amazon Fire. And no one suggested it would replace the iPod. It is instead broadening up the market place, like HP accidentally found out it could have when they wholesaled their tablets out. You can quit taking down, at least until you figure out what we are talking about here.

      And lots of kids still do play Nintendo and Sony handhelds, which are still better for games than the iTouch. I know because we have both. The iTouch sucks for anything serious on the internet because it is too small, hence the Fire, which should be fine for the web. No camera, no mic, not like the iPad, just made for watching movies, surfing the web, ie: consuming content plus basic computing. Oh yea, and it costs $200, an almost disposable price.

      When I want to create content, I have a slew of computers and servers at my disposal (its an occupational hazard). I would never buy a tablet to "create" content because it isn't the right platform for my uses, making the iPad a non-starter for me. It will be nice to have the smaller but readable tablet for the web, email, shelling into servers, etc. when I'm out of the office.

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    71. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If it isn't hard, then why the hell didn't they get it right the first time? Seriously both MS and Sony spent billions in development on their current console generation. Somehow you know something that would make it cheaper for their next generation such that they don't have to worry about development costs.

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    72. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That's not what he's advocating. He's saying it's easy for MS to stick a bunch of PC parts into the next generation console negating that the current generation doesn't run PC parts. He's also saying the development costs of the next generation are small.

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    73. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by exomondo · · Score: 1

      That's not what he's advocating.

      But it's what I'm suggesting, since the existing hardware is based on pretty standard hardware (DirectX GPU, eDRAM, pretty standard PowerPC *not* something like the Cell processor's PPU/SPU arch) it's not hard for them to just integrate more powerful versions of those into a new SoC.

      He's also saying the development costs of the next generation are small.

      And he's probably right, they don't need to develop a new OS, new frameworks, new accessories, new developer tools, etc... They only need to upgrade the internal hardware, which is mostly existing hardware re-packaged, just like the XBox S SoC.

    74. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Years ago, while driving in Boston and listening to an interview on the radio, I started swearing. My wife looked at me as if I had gone nuts. I had to explain to her that the guy from Microsoft was making it sound like DRM was a good thing...and that meant many people would believe it, and it would be implemented. She didn't understand at the time, but now she does!

    75. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      HP found out nothing. The TouchPad was never profitable even when they were shoveling them out at 1/3rd their MSRP.

      I know exactly what I'm talking about here. Why don't you check how much money Nintendo and Sony are making off their handhelds? They pull in the same cash per month as Apple does in a day.

      Now, looking at the Fire, it appears most everything actually happens on some server in the cloud, including web browsing, so that is not a promising sign. If they can't fit a browser in there and make it run well, what are the chances that they can put any decent video up or a game?

      The Fire is even more of a walled garden toy than the iPad was made out to be.

      The iPad was probably made in its form factor so you can actually type on it. It's as wide as a keyboard. I am skeptical of using something that has less than half the screen size being credible in that regard.

      By the way, you may never buy a tablet to create content, but I wouldn't scoff at the idea. Musicians have taken to the iPad like it's made of orgasms.

    76. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by mjwx · · Score: 1

      4. No Mac Support (the iPod did Mac and Windows support)

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

      /wipes tear from eye.

      Good one, haven't laughed that hard in ages.

      The Zune failed for one reason and one reason only. It was a bulky HDD based player when everyone wanted smaller Flashed based players. End of story, Apple wasn't even a player in the HDD media player space when the Zune was released, it competed against Cowon and Archos (who had HDD and flash based players).

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    77. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinect does not look like stagnation.

      Kinect wasn't developed at Microsoft, was it? I thought they bought that in from an third party?

      And only after the Wii showed you can play games by moving around.

    78. Re:Losing Allard was a real loss to MS by Xest · · Score: 1

      Bit late to this discussion, but the 360 made enough profit to cover up the entertainment division's losses on the XBox programme back around the start of 2010.

      A large part of this was having 20 million+ people paying £30 - £40 a year for the pure profit machine that is XBox Live, not to mention that XBL shows ads on top so they get ad revenue for it too. This + the high attach rate for the 360 allowed them to achieve profitability enough to cover past losses relatively quickly this console cycle, even with the $1bn write off for the RROD fiasco.

  2. Bold, But ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

    Yes it was a bold effort, but the first major player in the market often gets to set the standards other vendors must meet. Had MS pushed the Courier to fruition we would be looking at a very different tablet landscape. Obviously they didn't want to push a sub-standard product to market, but in the end I believe the Courier would have been a quality (and interesting) offering.

    1. Re:Bold, But ... by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The iPad is not the first tablet, but it is the first one that has sold very well.

    2. Re:Bold, But ... by Volvogga · · Score: 1

      When has sub-standard ever stopped Microsoft before? It's the policy of many not to touch a new Windows, the flagship of the company, for a service pack or two... Though quite a lot of companies seem to be of the 'release it now and patch it later' mindset.

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    3. Re:Bold, But ... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Apple was unique at the time as they made a different OS for the new platform. Previous Tablets were just PC OS's with touch screens.

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    4. Re:Bold, But ... by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      No, early in the history of pen computers there were a number of operating systems and interfaces esp. created for tablets:

        - PenPoint - Go Corp.
        - Momenta
        - Newton - Apple Computer, Inc.

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    5. Re:Bold, But ... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Can you tell that to PenPoint OS - released as a Tablet only OS, before Apple Newton, and MS's Tablet ...

      In fact almost all the earlier tablets had a unique OS, that was their downfall the advantage of Apple iOS was that it was not a custom Tablet OS, so it was already familiar and already had loads of apps, because it was what the iPhone ran ...

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    6. Re:Bold, But ... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      "Obviously they didn't want to push a sub-standard product to market..."

      Um, this is Microsoft we're talking about; they do that all the time. And I'm not just saying that to be snotty, there's a whole history of examples: Windows 1 & 2, Windows Me, Windows Vista, the Zune, the first several versions of IE, the first several iterations of WinCE/PocketPC/Mobile. Microsoft often gets it right eventually, but getting a sub-standard product to market and then trying to fix it is a time-honored tradition with them.

      And to show that I'm not just a Microsoft hater: I wish the Courier had made it to market (even if it was a typical MS 1.0 release), because it was a genuinely innovative design, and would have brought some different ideas to the tablet market beyond iOS and the iOS clones we're seeing.

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    7. Re:Bold, But ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence his statement that "the first major player in the market often gets to set the standards." There were plenty of tablets before the iPad but none of them sold enough units to qualify as a major player. The iPad did.

      Shame about the Courier. Watching the concept video, had that come to fruition, I would have seriously considered it over an iPad...can't say the same about any of the current Android tablets. And the real shame of it was that Allard could've given in on the 'no e-mail app" to ease Gates' "allergic reaction" it wouldn't have diminished the essential zeitgeist of the Courier one bit. Sounds to me like Allard picked the wrong battle to fight and ended up losing the war.

    8. Re:Bold, But ... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      And let me guess... it used a pen?

      I have a Tablet PC that is pen based and I hated it. Touch is the only way to do a tablet.

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    9. Re:Bold, But ... by Shining+Celebi · · Score: 1

      Um, this is Microsoft we're talking about; they do that all the time. And I'm not just saying that to be snotty, there's a whole history of examples: Windows 1 & 2, Windows Me, Windows Vista, the Zune, the first several versions of IE, the first several iterations of WinCE/PocketPC/Mobile. Microsoft often gets it right eventually, but getting a sub-standard product to market and then trying to fix it is a time-honored tradition with them.

      The Zune was certainly a commercial flop, but there was nothing substandard about it. Except maybe the color on the original Zune. ;)

      There were two reasons the Zune didn't crush the iPod: marketing, and the iPod came out first. The Zune was technically a little better than the iPod, but not oh-my-gosh-gotta-buy-it-now. I think it did have a much better interface - maybe I'm retarded, but the older iPods were the most confounding things I've ever used, and the scroll wheels sucked for precision. And the Zune software made iTunes look like a bloated, unintuitive mess. But that alone certainly wasn't enough to overcome the momentum of the iPod, especially with Microsoft's tepid marketing and crazy business decisions (no open App Store for Zune HDs?!.)

    10. Re:Bold, But ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I'd have to agree with his point. The problem with attracting new developers to new hardware is a chicken-and-egg problem. Consumers are hesitant to buy devices without a lot of apps and developers are hesitant to develop until there are a lot of consumers. Apple was smart in that iPhone apps worked on the iPad. They were not optimized for the screen but new consumers were assured of having some apps.

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    11. Re:Bold, But ... by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like Allard picked the wrong battle to fight and ended up losing the war.

      But he kept his soul. :)
      People like Allard have more opportunities than time. If Microsoft is too conservative, move on.

      It is a shame about Courier, but I'm afraid that even if it was greenlighted, it still would have been a flop. Microsoft would have hired somebody to create a reference device and it would never have received the same scrutiny and careful design that the iPad got from Apple. Even worse, the design would have been altered by focus group testing and internal battles between Microsoft factions.

  3. they ought to rename themselves. by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    s/Microsoft Corporations/Windows and Office Corporation/g

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    1. Re:they ought to rename themselves. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      I've said this before, and I'll probably end up saying it again. Microsoft is a "Windows" company. That is their product, that is what they sell. Everything they do is tied to windows in some way, INCLUDING Xbox (portability to Windows). This article only amplifies my point. Which is why Balmer needs to go, he's killing Microsoft.

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  4. There's STILL a big gap in the tablet space... by davide+marney · · Score: 2

    for a content-creation-oriented user interface. The iPad is abysmal at content creation. Maybe MS could take its Courier ideas and use it to make a really spectacular, touch-based version of OneNote that could run on existing tablets -- any OS, not limited to Windows. Keep the split-screen functionality, just do it in software, not hardware. I'd buy it.

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    1. Re:There's STILL a big gap in the tablet space... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....
      >content creation

      It's called a laptop. I hear they are somewhat big at the moment.

    2. Re:There's STILL a big gap in the tablet space... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to you, in the 6 minutes you played with it at the apple store in the mall? yup.

      To millions upon millions that actually bought one and use it, nope.

      Come on back when you actually know what you are taking about.

      One note is nice, but honestly evernote kicks it's butt so hard it's not funny. you should try things from other companies once in a while.

    3. Re:There's STILL a big gap in the tablet space... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      No not really. MAcbook Air is tiny as hell.
      http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-duo/pd is a pad/laptop hybrid
      and honestly an ipad with a BT keyboard.

      I think the Grandparent never touched one.

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    4. Re:There's STILL a big gap in the tablet space... by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      What the hell? The iPad works great for editing documents, spreadsheets, making graphs and charts with Omnigraffle, SSHing into a server box, it can edit digital video unlike every other tablet out there, and it has become in the space of only a year and a half, the hottest piece of electronic music hardware the world has ever seen. I know a few electronic musicians who use iPads to control all their synthesizers and their computer music systems and they wouldn't trade it for anything.

      About the only thing it lacks is a touchscreen for image editing, and once it has that it will likely become the goto device for most digital artists, because it's not much more expensive than a good quality digitizing tablet.

      Whoever started this "iPad can't do content" meme is not only a liar, but is probably a shill too. Don't do their work for them - it makes you a fool on several levels.

    5. Re:There's STILL a big gap in the tablet space... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I'd say the iPad is really good at content creation. There are some really good drawing and 3D modelling apps and I believe there is something coming out for writing code. I don't recall the specifics for how the company got around the 3rd party executable code (perhaps it can't execute the code on the ipad) but it's there. In fact I'd say the iPad is the best non-PC/laptop creation device you can get at the moment.

  5. think MARKETING (sorry 'bout that IBM...) by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's a real game-changer there.
    But we like the game as it is.

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    1. Re:think MARKETING (sorry 'bout that IBM...) by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Should that not be ThinkPad .,... a rather heavily marketed tablet device

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  6. It was vapourware by Pop69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've stopped believing anything Microsoft announce until I can actually buy it in a shop.

    1. Re:It was vapourware by Haxagon · · Score: 1

      They didn't announce anything, you insensitive clod. It leaked, plain and simple, RTFA

    2. Re:It was vapourware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've stopped believing anything Microsoft announce until I can actually buy it in a shop.

      And release a SP or two for it (XP SP2, Vista SP aka 7, etc)...

    3. Re:It was vapourware by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      Coming to the app store soon for $10, looks like.
      http://tapose.tumblr.com/

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    4. Re:It was vapourware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't buy Windows 8 in a shop but it seems to be a real thing.

    5. Re:It was vapourware by jimicus · · Score: 1

      If you limit that to just Microsoft products, you need your head examined. Really it applies to everything in the industry - the product can safely be said to exist on the day you can actually buy it/download it and not before.

    6. Re:It was vapourware by Tom · · Score: 2

      Really it applies to everything in the industry

      Many, not everything. There are a number of companies known for announcing vaporware (MS is among them), and there are companies known for following their announcements with "available today" (Apple) or to reliably follow up with a real release - but most companies fall somewhere in the middle.

      Blaming everyone is short-sighted. Check out who delivers and who doesn't. You'll notice patterns.

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    7. Re:It was vapourware by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Apple aren't the best example - when apple announce something, it's because it's available now. Not because it may be available at some unspecified point in the future.

    8. Re:It was vapourware by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      No shit? You really think they might actually release another version of their absolute best selling product that half the company is built on? Next you'll be saying we can count on another version of Office!

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    9. Re:It was vapourware by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      That makes them the best example actually.

    10. Re:It was vapourware by md65536 · · Score: 1

      It wasn't vaporware, didn't you RTFS??? It was actually more complete than us outsiders know! The problem with it was that it was just too bold, can't you read?

      Ah poor microsoft. They're just making stuff that's too goddam great and too goddam complete for what the world is ready for. That's why no one's buying any of their stuff unless they're locked into buying it. I guess that, for some reason, we're all just used to shitty incomplete shit, and anything bold and complete will not mesh with that.

  7. Possible comeback? by Moheeheeko · · Score: 0

    I could see the Courier coming back with Win8, maybe a dual release? A New touch friendly OS with a tablet to go with it? would make sense to me.

    1. Re:Possible comeback? by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The upcoming crop of Win8 tablets are the products that the Courier was cancelled for.

      Read the article - the Courier was a much more radical departure for Microsoft than any of the Win8 tablets are going to be.

  8. MS Office will kill MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've said multiple times that whenever Microsoft has a new product in the works, the only question that seems to matter to the upper execs is: "Does Office run on it"? It's the thing that killed WP7 (which is still in the basement in terms of marketshare, and has no chance of ever going anywhere). MS sees their entire business proposition in terms of MS Office. And that's what's going to kill them, because in reality, MS Office is a product few actually use, even though almost every company buys it. Most companies use Outlook, but few business users actually use the other parts of the suite. Word is dying fast; Excel is more and more relegated to the accounting department (from which it should never have escaped). MS Office is a product few people really need, but which most upper executives have convinced themselves is critical to their business.

    But the spell is dissipating. More and more companies are moving away from MS Office, albeit at a glacial pace. And no one thinks that you need MS Office on a phone or on a tablet. Word/Excel viewers? maybe. But a full Office suite? certainly not. And as PCs will likely disappear from the desktops of all but those knowledge workers who really need them, so will MS Office.

    And as long as Ballmer is in power, and Microsoft can't see past MS Office, MS Office will be the death of Microsoft.

    1. Re:MS Office will kill MS by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      You must have worked at different places than I. I would agree that IT people are less likely to use office now, but most of my employers over the years have used at least one piece of Office obsessively. At one company (2 years back), everything was made in PowerPoint. I do mean everything. I got a 12 slide powerpoint with charts on how I "screwed up" a web application. The real problem was the Internet connectivity of the server which was not my fault. Anyway, the problem with getting rid of Office is that it's the common file format for business. Even if several internal departments switch, any customer facing department has to have Microsoft Office. The second you can't open a file or create one that looks bad in Word, you lose the account.

      Office is what has kept the Windows monopoly all these years. It is their key product. If someone broke the Office monopoly, it could put the final blow to Windows. The Mac version of office is missing too much to pull users over. At one time, I had hoped it would be OpenOffice.org, but that ship has sailed. The best bet now is Google Docs or something like it.

      I'll agree that focusing on Office for mobile devices is stupid. Microsoft needs to address that issue, but it's not an immediate need. Apple pushed on a mobile iWork fairly quickly after the iPad shipped. That's worked for quite a few people. It didn't stop the initial sales of iPads though.

      Ballmer needs to take more risks; Microsoft just doesn't seem hip enough and their products are pale clones.

    2. Re:MS Office will kill MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Word is dying fast

      That's news to me. What do people use instead in the office to write documents that need review and signoff? (Notice I'm asking what product *do* they use, not what *could* they use to save money).

    3. Re:MS Office will kill MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >The real problem was the Internet connectivity of the server which was not my fault.

      Let it go.

    4. Re:MS Office will kill MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Developers, developers, developers!

      Who says he can't see past MS Office?

    5. Re:MS Office will kill MS by Locutus · · Score: 1

      once they established their market dominance and were quite successful leveraging it to protect MS DOS and later used it to keep IBM OS/2 out of the market that is all they do and think about when it comes to new products. Bill and Steve did this over and over and over again. Protect the income and screw new products because that income is what pays the bills. I'm not surprised one bit we hear it again that is how they think.

      I agree with the MS Office theory since Windows is stalling for growth and MS Office upgrades and licensing is their go-to market.

      Because they must keep Windows valuable though, they still must spin Windows under MS Office correctly. Look at how they are spinning Windows 8 and how they are locking the phone and desktop together and forcing that UI onto the desktop.

      LoB

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  9. Microsoft Myopia by gnalre · · Score: 1

    One of the consistent items from the Steve Jobs Biog, was that he kept showing Bil Gates things like the iPad and the iPod and Gates just not getting it. So it does not surprise me

    Microsoft over many years have built themselves a straitjacket called windows. They cannot do anything without seeing how it affects their cash cow, without realizing until recently it was strangling them.

    I wonder how many other ideas generated from there in-house geniuses they hire every year has been strangled by there short-sightedness

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  10. My Courier's Demise by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    My Courier met a disgraceful and ignominious end in 2008 when I was moving and realized that it was just inconceivable that I would ever use it again or that it would even have resale value. I was probably slightly wrong about that second thing (somebody, somewhere, maybe could have used it) but it didn't seem worth the trouble. It ended up in a box of stuff that went to a electronics recycler, and probably ended up poisoning someone in China.

    FWIW, I'm glad Microsoft didn't end up tarnishing the once-very-reputable name "Courier." That name should be retired and always thought of with an implicit "US Robotics" prepended to it. What's next, Microsoft RX7? Microsoft P-38 Lightning? Microsoft Amiga?

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    1. Re:My Courier's Demise by Beorytis · · Score: 1
      My Courier still lives on in every
       tag and {font-family: monospace;} declaration.
    2. Re:My Courier's Demise by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      For a tablet computer, "Courier" is actually a pretty good name IMO, and much better than many of MS's other names for their products ("Live Search"? "Bing"? "Xbox"? "Windows Vista SP1 Home Edition"?). MS names are routinely horrible; the only names they have that are good are usually for products they acquired from other companies, and kept the name. "PowerPoint", for instance, got that name when it was a product of Forethought, before MS bought them. I don't think this is any sign that they're going to start adopting names like RX-7 or Amiga. Besides, this isn't even an MS product, it's a prototype made by one guy in MS that actually had some vision, and was shitcanned by Bill & Steve. J Allard, the guy responsible for it, and who probably is responsible for the clever name too, later left the company.

  11. It makes sense by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    Everything must standardize to Windows if Microsoft wants to remain the biggest player. Producing a product, no matter how successful, that is not locked to Windows would a marketing disaster. Microsoft's message lives and dies on the belief that Windows is mandatory for a product to be usable. Balmer made the correct decision.

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    1. Re:It makes sense by Relayman · · Score: 1

      Isn't it ironic that everything Apple sells runs on some form of OS X?

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    2. Re:It makes sense by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      That is their belief, but it will kill them in the end. Protecting current profit streams has killed a great many companies and will continue to do so. RIM is dieing of this disease right now.

    3. Re:It makes sense by Tom · · Score: 2

      You got that backwards - OS X is made to run on everything that Apple sells. They didn't have an OS and invented a phone for it the way windows mobile was birthed. They had this vision of a phone and needed an OS for it. If you already have an in-house developed OS, modifying that is the most obvious thing you can imagine.

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    4. Re:It makes sense by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      RIM is dying of the disease of trying to be too many things to too many people. They are trying to focus on content consumption now, and touch screens, to the detriment of a really rock solid OS with rock solid hardware.

      I just upgraded to BBOS 6, and it looks optimized for a zillion things, except for stability and really good messaging. Guess what the only reason I chose a Blackberry over an Android was? Hint, it wasnt to watch youtube.

      Maybe im the minority here, but I feel like RIM needs to make sure their phones remain the absolute best in messaging and calling, and worry about the other stuff on the side; as it is, theyre becoming more mediocre in every category.

    5. Re:It makes sense by narcc · · Score: 1

      RIM is dieing of this disease right now.

      Yeah, their subscriber base only grew 40% this year. They've got debt upward of $0. They're toast.

      If only they had made a number of good acquisitions like Torch Mobile, TAT, DataViz, and NewBay. Of course, that wouldn't be enough unless they updated their OS. If only they had picked up a company like QNX. Then they'd have what is, quite possibly, the most advanced, stable, and secure mobile OS on the market.

    6. Re:It makes sense by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      You know the same thing was said about SEGA back in the old days. Now they're pimping out very worn-out cartoon characters on everybody else's hardware and nobody cares.

      The problem with Blackberry is that it's not enough any more to just have a black chunky plastic stick that you can use for voice communication and text messaging. Sure, the peons at Accenture may still be using Blackberries, but their bosses are all on the iPhone because it is just plain *better* at almost everything.

      The only remaining grace that RIM has is that it's easy to lock a phone down for the peons in the coal mines. Apple has been showing some effort toward taking this last pearl from RIMs formerly bursting treasure chest, and I don't doubt that it will happen sooner or later.

    7. Re:It makes sense by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If you look at Win8, especially in its ARM incarnation (where classic desktop is gone, and only third-party apps allowed are Metro apps from Windows Store), is it really Windows in anything other than name - just like WP7?

    8. Re:It makes sense by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Considering the kernel is Darwin, not really.

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    9. Re:It makes sense by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      That is their belief, but it will kill them in the end.

      If all goes well.

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    10. Re:It makes sense by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is completely ironic. First they turned away Allard's design because it didn't match step with the desktop then redesigned the desktop using his data to be "more tablet friendly". Basically they are redesigning the desktop to be his idea of a replacement for the shell.

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  12. The iPad already quite god at content creation. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The iPad is abysmal at content creation.

    Says who?

    Millions are using the iPad for content creation every day - from drawing to music to writing to editing video. What honestly could the Courier have done you cannot do with an iPad and the right application?

    I mean it theoretically had a stylus, but please. For art you can simply zoom in a bit more if you want to sketch finer details with an iPad stylus.

    The reality is that given enough motivation to make quality applications, a device can become really good at content creation - the iPad has easily reached that point. Applications matter.

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    1. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 0

      What honestly could the Courier have done you cannot do with an iPad and the right application?

      Apparently email. We love to bash Bill, but in this case, he looks pretty good. A mobile device that doesn't do email, but rather has to tie into a separate device for connectivity? Not gonna sell terribly well.

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    2. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      bah, I read the question backwards.

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    3. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What honestly could the Courier have done you cannot do with an iPad and the right application?

      Apparently email. We love to bash Bill, but in this case, he looks pretty good. A mobile device that doesn't do email, but rather has to tie into a separate device for connectivity?

      Check your glasses prescription. You're confusing RIM for Apple. In fact, so that's the sort of confusion that should have you checking your medication.

    4. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by Relayman · · Score: 1

      As RIM found out with the PlayBook.

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    5. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that you missed the point of the previous poster. He/She was simply pointing out that it's like using a table knife to cut bread, you can do it, but it isn't going to be pretty and you'll be lucky if it'll fit into the toaster. So, yes, you can create content, but it won't pass the repeatability test (do I want to see it or listen to it again?)

      For true HD video editing you need a top of the line workstation (next tear up from desktop), for truly artistic drawing and painting you need a dedicated drawing device like a WACOM, and for photo editing you need a display that shows the full color gamut and the iPad 2 is sorely lacking (see this http://www.displaymate.com/Gamut_2.html).

      Granted, if all you are doing is posting photos on facebook and videos on youtube, then the iPad may work fine for the average tablet user. But for those of us who strive for some level of quality when creating content, it's a sucky tool....

    6. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Says who?

      Says me, I'm an iPad owner and content creator. I love my iPad, but it sucks for painting, writing, and video editing. It is, however, great for browsing and playing.

      I mean it theoretically had a stylus, but please. For art you can simply zoom in a bit more if you want to sketch finer details with an iPad stylus.

      You do realize that an iPad stylus is just a pencil with a fake finger on the end of it, right? A Wacom it is not.

      Applications matter.

      So does the interface. Seriously. The iPad doesn't even have a proper file system. How are you going to edit your videos if you can't grab images and sound from a library somewhere and connect it all together? The people you talk about 'creating content' are really just playing around and having fun with it.

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    7. Re:The iPad already quite god at content creation. by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      I use my iPad to IM and write emails and post to /. frequently. The virtual keyboard is not that hard to use, and, if you use it to write in japanese, for example, is actually faster than writing in a common computer since the targets of predictive text are larger and easy to reach in the iPad.

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  13. Courier was missing email too by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    One thing I forgot in the submission was Courier was missing email. I don't know if they could have added a client later in development though. In this aspect I would agree with Gates however I suspect that MS would have wanted not just email generally but Outlook specifically. From the article, Courier was using a heavily modified version of Windows that stripped out much of the existing UI. Adding Outlook would have been a huge effort.

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  14. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once aga by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    The courier's form factor would have been a nearly perfect psychological fit to many things people use tablets for. It looks like an electronic book that can do all sorts of crazy "computer stuff." With the right software, it would have been perfectly intuitive as an eBook reader, notepad, sketchpad and several other things which would have endeared it to students, readers and business types.

    I don't get how it would not "mesh with office." A company with Microsoft's resources shouldn't have any problem creating an Office Lite that has a touch UI. If they'd actually taken it to its logical conclusion with a solid phone, this very well might have done in RIM in the business market.

  15. It was a niche market item, not mass market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know this is /., but a quick read of the article showed that Allard was targeting "content creators" like architects. One of the areas Bill pressed him on was the devices ability to get e-mail and the response was people had smart phones or computers for email, if they wanted to use the courier they could use webmail. It was meant to be a pc complement, except it was so "complementary" that it stood outside as a niche market item.

    While the dual screen concept was very interesting, I think it was Allard that was short-sighted - at least in regard to how the device would be used. I think if you look at how the iPad and various other tablets are getting used, you'll see communication is one of the big features. If MS had released Allard's vision as (the article claims) it was presented Bill, MS would have taken a beating for not including native email and who knows what else.

    I think Bill and, I can't believe I'm going to say this, Steve Ballmer did the right thing in this case, especially if Allard was so tied to his vision of how the device would work/be used and what it would offer that he wouldn't accept suggestions about where he could add functionality to bring it more in line with other company goals.

    I mean, in my reading of the article I got the impression that the cancelation was less about aligning with Windows and Office and more about being a niche market instead of mass market device. I know very well that Windows and Office revenue streams get protected, sometimes to the point of strangling worthy new products, but if this device was really "all that" then it should have been possible to add those capabilities. I am left to guess that either adding that was actively resisted or there were other limitations that prevented them from being added, and if that were the case it would be an even bigger black eye. After all, if it wasn't possible to add those features, what else would developers not be able to add, and developers are another area that tie in to the Windows and Office revenue streams.

    1. Re:It was a niche market item, not mass market by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      Sounds less like Ballmer and Gates were right and more like Allard was wrong in his response. Instead he should have said that they had plans for Exchange integration and it would be added in a service pack, because they wanted to focus their efforts on making sure that they had the best user experience possible, guaranteeing consumer loyalty to the new brand.

      Sad really, it could have been a great device.

    2. Re:It was a niche market item, not mass market by Angostura · · Score: 1

      I think you are spot on. There's a huge hole in this story. Why did Allard simply not say "It doesn't have a fully-featured e-mail client at this stage, but we can easily add one"?

    3. Re:It was a niche market item, not mass market by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      I still think to get hung up over the idea that it doesn't do email is stupid. Email could have easily been shoehorned in there. And saying that killing it because it doesn't do email is not the right decision.

    4. Re:It was a niche market item, not mass market by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I know very well that Windows and Office revenue streams get protected, sometimes to the point of strangling worthy new products, but if this device was really "all that" then it should have been possible to add those capabilities. I am left to guess that either adding that was actively resisted or there were other limitations that prevented them from being added, and if that were the case it would be an even bigger black eye. After all, if it wasn't possible to add those features, what else would developers not be able to add, and developers are another area that tie in to the Windows and Office revenue streams.

      I think that hits the nail on the head. So it doesn't have an email application- why not? Why not just write one? It's an incredibly simple solution- surely it isn't the case that no-one at MS thought of it. Companies have been writing email clients for decades- knocking one up must be routine for the likes of MS these days.

      Ditto with Office. If they can put together a touch-based MS Office suite for other Windows tablets, why not this one? They have the source code, they have the APIs, they have the cash to throw at it (I was under the impression that MS spares no expense for Office development), surely that wouldn't be beyond them? And if it is- why? What's the hurdle?

    5. Re:It was a niche market item, not mass market by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      According to his Wikipedia bio, Allard was a network engineer before he worked his way up to management, so maybe he isn't the greatest salesman on the planet.

      Why did Steve and Bill not say, "Is it possible to add a fully-featured email client later"? They're the geniuses running the company, after all, and are ultimately to blame for its failures. Given that the thing sounds like it can run any arbitrary app written for it, it should be obvious that if they want an email client, it really shouldn't be that hard to make one.

    6. Re:It was a niche market item, not mass market by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      They didn't "kill" it because it was never really alive. There was no business plan behind the Courier, there was a plastic box with two screens showing a demo.

      It wasn't a real product at all. It was a rabbit in a hat, something to flourish in front of the world right as the iPad train was bearing down. Nobody looked at the rabbit, they were too busy boarding the train.

  16. New products: "Microsoft Boat Anchor" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Gates was apparently troubled on how Courier would not mesh with Windows or Office. The project was cancelled shortly thereafter."

    Seriously? Yes, Windows and Office are huge cash cows for Microsoft and it wouldn't make sense to jeopardize that revenue stream. But guess what? If Microsoft doesn't do it somebody else will, and then you're going to be stuck in the same spot with no control over how it might upset the status quo. Sitting back and avoiding good ideas makes no sense either from the perspective of how it might affect your traditional business, or even more so in terms of the possibility of growth in a new area.

    Windows and Office are an anchor ensuring Microsoft doesn't go anywhere but where it is now.

  17. Re: by davide+marney · · Score: 1

    What honestly could the Courier have done you cannot do with an iPad and the right application?

    Take a look at http://youtu.be/GlpftPSuXe4 The big difference is that everything in the Courier is oriented towards keeping a journal of your content, whereas everything in the iPad is oriented towards presenting you with someone else's content.

    Any by "orientation", I mean the whole panoply of user interaction, presentation, persistence, cataloging, etc.

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  18. Re: by davide+marney · · Score: 1

    To say that Evernote "kicks butt" is a bit of an overstatement, don't you think? OneNote has the edge in organization (sections, tags); Evernote has the edge in cross-platform (web, mobile). Personally, I don't use either product, I use Zim because I need extreme cross-platform support. I only mentioned OneNote because that's an MS product, as is Courier.

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  19. There has to be more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was very excited when the courier was announced, but also a bit skeptical about it actually making it into production. There are 2 things the current tablets are totally lacking:

    - input via an optional stylus
        If I want to scribble down a quick note, or sketch a drawing, doing so with my fingers is just not accurate enough- I won't be able to read it later on. An optional stylus would make this much easier. This is not even possible with most run-of the line laptops.
    - killer application pre-installed. Even the iPad has not figured this out yet. Yes, there are apps, but I am supposed to dig through this "jungle" of apps to find what I want and need, and then pay extra for them. Productivity apps should be included with the device ! Focus on what a tablet computer can do that won't be possible with a smartphone. Take advantage of the larger screen ! A tabled computer is too big to use as a camera or mp3 player and uses too much battery as an e-reader. There has to be something else besides games !

    Whichever manufacturer figures this out first will be setting the pace in the future.

  20. idea was too good for MicroSoft by peter303 · · Score: 1

    One of the few projects there I thought was imaginative. Good thing Bill quashed or it might change Microsoft's image.

  21. Re:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

    True, and they've already done this on a few occasions. They used to have Office mobile (it was pretty sad), but they had it nonetheless.

    A new mobile version, even if it were new software that spoke OWA and basic office doc formats, would have been fine.

  22. Re:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once by Tom · · Score: 1

    I don't get how it would not "mesh with office." A company with Microsoft's resources shouldn't have any problem creating an Office Lite that has a touch UI. If they'd actually taken it to its logical conclusion with a solid phone, this very well might have done in RIM in the business market.

    Ah, but you don't get how MS works as a corporation.

    They don't invent new products and then change the company around them. They go through their departments every now and then and look for "unrealised profits". Or they look at where other people make a fortune and ask themselves if they can get a piece of the cake, preferably the largest piece, without changing themselves.

    That's MS greatest strength and greatest burden: It has never really changed itself. There is this strong core consisting of windows and office and everything that doesn't enjoy their company gets shot.

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  23. Re: by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

    OneNote is also superior in free-form note taking and information arranging. Click anywhere on the page and write/draw/annotate. Move your text to any place on the page. Evernote has a line oriented, top-to-bottom documents last time I checked.

  24. Microsoft's own internal politics killed Tablet by Shompol · · Score: 3, Informative
    Microsoft fosters a very competitive internal culture. Competition is not always good, as high level execs refuse to cooperate with each other, disregarding any potential benefits for the company. Here is one reference:

    Dick's claim [is] that Tablet PC was doomed because the Office team refused to make a version of Office designed around stylus input

    And this is the original article from NYT: Microsoft’s Creative Destruction :

    When we were building the tablet PC in 2001, the vice president in charge of Office at the time decided he didn’t like the concept. The tablet required a stylus, and he much preferred keyboards to pens and thought our efforts doomed. To guarantee they were, he refused to modify the popular Office applications to work properly with the tablet. So if you wanted to enter a number into a spreadsheet or correct a word in an e-mail message, you had to write it in a special pop-up box, which then transferred the information to Office. Annoying, clumsy and slow.

    1. Re:Microsoft's own internal politics killed Tablet by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That and the Kin. Originally it was supposed a quick 6 month project after they bought Danger. But Danger used Java which would not be allowed. That decision set back development as it had to use CE instead. But the head of Windows Mobile didn't like that it competed with WM. So he refused to help the Kin team with resources. To frame how damaging that decision was, the Danger team was told to use a brand new OS and API stack which had no familiarity while getting no help from the group that had the most experience with it. Thus Kin was 18 months late and features were cut to finish a product.

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    2. Re:Microsoft's own internal politics killed Tablet by ejasons · · Score: 1

      When we were building the tablet PC in 2001, the vice president in charge of Office at the time decided he didnâ(TM)t like the concept. The tablet required a stylus, and he much preferred keyboards to pens and thought our efforts doomed. To guarantee they were, he refused to modify the popular Office applications to work properly with the tablet. So if you wanted to enter a number into a spreadsheet or correct a word in an e-mail message, you had to write it in a special pop-up box, which then transferred the information to Office. Annoying, clumsy and slow.

      Love him or hate him, can you imagine Steve Jobs allowing such a situation to exist within his company?

    3. Re:Microsoft's own internal politics killed Tablet by Shompol · · Score: 1

      I assume that the squabble in top management begins when the founder leaves the company. This was the case at Bloomberg, where I worked. Shareholders are simply not in the position to keep top management in line. For some reason, Microsoft is an exception, since Bill was still a CEO at the time.

  25. Totally false by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The big difference is that everything in the Courier is oriented towards keeping a journal of your content, whereas everything in the iPad is oriented towards presenting you with someone else's content.

    That is not even true with the default apps. I am presented with MY photos, MY videos, MY contacts I have stored. I see emails I have written, notes I have made...

    Expanding out into other applications I use a number of note taking applications, and use a number of drawing applications too.

    Yes I have a few videos on there of TV shows. But the large majority of my iPad is devoted to storing and displaying things *I* have made.

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    1. Re:Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Regardless of if you or someone else is the author, nearly everything you mention is still content CONSUMPTION. Or, if you prefer, content presentation (by the device, to you).

      The conversation at hand is about content CREATION, i.e., you making content on the device. The iPad is, in fact, horrible at this (as are most tablets). The only creation you listed was notes and the odd email.

    2. Re:Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just because you're willing to tolerate the deficiencies of the iPad in terms of productive content creation doesn't mean everyone is.

      Try writing an application on the iPad, or a book, or a scientific paper.

      It can be done, but I don't know anyone who would really prefer that if they were being honest.

      I've seen some interesting ideas in terms of slipcovers that function as keyboards, but then you're back to the traditional laptop design anyway...

      The iPad is all about consuming content, filtered for you through Apple.

  26. Is it so difficult to make a simple usable tablet? by master_p · · Score: 1

    Come on, Microsoft. Is it sooo difficult to make a simple usable tablet? You should not run Windows on it, but a new O/S, partially based on Windows code, that has a different UI and your brandname apps recoded for this new UI.

    Every average Joe with two bits of common sense can understand that, why can't you understand that Microsoft?

  27. Courier was too bold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, it was entirely too serif.

  28. The courier might have had a chance by shadowrat · · Score: 1
    I'm a self confessed Apple fanboy. I've done my fair share of laughing at Microsoft for failing in the tablet market. But it sounds like they really could have had something with the courier. The article mentions that Allard envisioned the device as something that complimented the pc, not something that replaced it. That was key to the iPad's success. Don't try to be the workstation, just focus on doing a few things well.

    This quote though really makes me think it could have been cool:

    The key to Courier, Allard's team argued, was its focus on content creation. Courier was for the creative set, a gadget on which architects might begin to sketch building plans, or writers might begin to draft documents.

    That is 180 degress from the iPad's model of being solely for consumption. I would love to see a device come to market based on that vision. Even the android tablets seem to be aping apple's hub of consumption model.

    1. Re:The courier might have had a chance by b0bby · · Score: 1

      That is 180 degrees from the iPad's model of being solely for consumption. I would love to see a device come to market based on that vision. Even the android tablets seem to be aping apple's hub of consumption model.

      I think you'll find that there are a lot more consumers than creators out there, and that a lot of creating doesn't lend itself to a small touch sceen (or even two of them). I like drawing on the ipad, but video or audio editing is just easier on a full computer. I do know a writer for a major newspaper who types his articles on his ipad, though. I suspect he's the exception.

  29. Re: by ckaminski · · Score: 1

    Zim is definitely NOT what I would call extremely cross platform. It works on Linux and Windows.

    Evernote works on Linux, Mac, Windows, my Xoom tablet, and all my iOS devices as well as the web client if I happen to need Evernote from my Solaris machine. Evernote is a killer app (but it has plenty of room for improvement). Nevermind the web-clipper!

    OneNote is a better tool overall (just in features), but it's lack of non-Windows support is a non-starter for me.

  30. Origami by Intropy · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's Origami from way back in 2006 was an even better concept that failed to take off.

  31. Sounds obvious, but that's not how it went down by Quila · · Score: 1

    Back in 2005 were two camps in Apple. One of them wanted to make basically a bigger iPod using a Linux-based OS, and it was led by the iPod chief Tony Fadell. The other wanted to repurpose OS X to mobile devices, and was led by the top OS X architect, Scott Forstall. Jobs had them do a bake-off, the OS X camp won. Forstall is now head of the iOS division.

    However, there is the theory that Jobs was always going to go with OS X, but wanted Forstall to prove himself against other VPs before he was promoted to VP himself.

  32. back of the head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No email?! Allard should maybe be over at RIM. What kind of demographic is architects and comic book writers? what they don't communicate with a.... whats that word that allard forgot when designing this.... ah yes, paying client. the paying client wants an email of his spec house. It looks cool, don't get me wrong. But, this thing wouldn't last a second it doesn't do anything for the regular consumers. No email, go to the web to get it yourself, it's about content creation?

    Wow. Must be nice to be so far removed from your customers reality to be cocooned in a little artists space, away from real products with real uses.

    Consumers want fluff, they want stupid games where they can get an ego boost from tracing their fat American finders around a maze meant for a 2 year old. they want to listen to the newest formula pop star, they want to be in reality shows, basically completely brain dead idiots, that's who you design for.

    If I was gates I would have took him out in a boat and done this guy fredo style. 2 in the head for wasting money and more importantly, time.

  33. Why not? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Just because you're willing to tolerate the deficiencies of the iPad in terms of productive content creation doesn't mean everyone is.

    Just because you are too ignorant to know what the limitations even are, does not mean everyone else is...

    Not to mention my MAIN POINT was simply asking what Courier was doing that would have made the situation any different whatsoever.

    Try writing an application on the iPad

    Ok.

    As I said, ignorant.

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    1. Re:Why not? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Wow, Apple fanboy much Kendall?

      An iPod-style tablet fills a niche. It is not the niche once filled by mainframe terminals - data entry, which the pretentious will pretend is content creation. We need those too, especially for accessing remote desktops and existing SaaS apps. Dunno if the Courier would have been any use in that space, but a terminal shouldn't run Office - it should give you a real monitor and keyboard when you use Office online.

      I don't want to program on a touch screen, but I don't need more than a keyboard, mouse, real monitor, and connection to my build machine (and to have the bee the same from whereever I am).

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    2. Re:Why not? by narcc · · Score: 2

      Being able to do something is VERY different from being able to do something well.

      It's not about the parent not knowing the limitations (I don't see how you came to this conclusion). It's about the apologists who equate "can be done" with "the best way to do it".

      I could write programs for my old Palm on the device itself, but that did not in any way make it a good tool for developing apps! You'd have to be some kind of masochist to use an iPad to develop an app or write anything longer than a short email.

      In that sense, the parent is right. The iPad is first and foremost a content consumption device. That you can also create content isn't really meaningful as the iPad is a ridiculously poor tool for many (all?) content creation tasks.

    3. Re:Why not? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Wow, Apple fanboy much Kendall?

      I have found that the use of "fanboy" signifies someone who has given up thinking.

      An iPod-style tablet fills a niche. It is not the niche once filled by mainframe terminals - data entry

      Tell that to hospitals or companies using them as field input devices.

      Dunno if the Courier would have been any use in that space

      I am pretty sure any device that folded up like it would be inherently less robust for commercial data acquisition.

      a terminal shouldn't run Office

      Im not sure I see what you are trying to get at here since the iPad is inherently the opposite of a terminal.

      I don't want to program on a touch screen

      That's only because you cannot imagine other ways to program.

      Codify has done taken some impressive first steps at showing how programming on a touch screen could be practical and useful.

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    4. Re:Why not? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Being able to do something is VERY different from being able to do something well.

      True, but accept that over time things that do not work well now can be better. And that for some people "well" is at an entirely different level... most people editing a movie on the iPad would say it works "well" because they can do quite a lot very simply. Some guy used to FCP would not say the same thing at all.

      It's not about the parent not knowing the limitations (I don't see how you came to this conclusion)

      He stated explicitly you could not program on the iPad which as I showed is untrue. That shows a lack of understanding of device limitations, and really since the iPad can run arbitrary software and has a huge software base already, it was simply a stupid statement to make without research.

      I could write programs for my old Palm on the device itself, but that did not in any way make it a good tool for developing apps!

      I am a professional developer, I use a desktop every day for development. Can the iPad today replace what I do now? No. Can it be a good programming tool for someone learning programming? YES YES YES. And again this is all software, it only gets better over time. If you can't see someday how such a system can replace what you do now on a traditional computer, you are not thinking.

      In that sense, the parent is right. The iPad is first and foremost a content consumption device.

      As noted, that's not even true today, much less tomorrow. It's an arbitrary computing device and the application range that exists already makes it a very powerful content creation platform.

      That you can also create content isn't really meaningful as the iPad is a ridiculously poor tool for many (all?) content creation tasks.

      Only by your very narrow minded, and not very experienced definition.

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  34. Bogus history by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

    I'm with John Gruber in respect to this history. Is really hard to believe that they have been ever close to release a product when even the internal teams were not aware of any of the design and software constraints by the others. If they were talking about a Microsoft branded PC or any other device with of the self components sure, it can be true, but with a device that requires such a level of miniaturization and custom parts is unbelievable. Aside from that, they would have used much of the Courier OS's technology in the last release of Windows Phone. How similar is Windows Phone OS to the capabilities of Courier?

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  35. Wrong again by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Regardless of if you or someone else is the author, nearly everything you mention is still content CONSUMPTION.

    No. I edited the movies on the iPad. I edited some of the photos on the iPad. All of the artwork I created on the iPad. All of the notes I TOOK on the iPad.

    That is CREATION. It's as much a tool of creation as my laptop - by your rules since you mostly browse a PC is content consumption only also.

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  36. I am the 99% by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Says me, I'm an iPad owner and content creator. I love my iPad, but it sucks for painting, writing, and video editing. It is, however, great for browsing and playing.

    I am a content creator too. The iPad sucks at none of those things:

    1) Painting.

    Yes you are going to get a nicer device in a Wacom tablet. I am not a professional artist but do some light drawing and illustration, to the point where I bought a Wacom Cintiq.

    And then I returned it, because I found I really preferred drawing on the iPad. The Cintiq was a pain in the ass, so many cables. Technically it was nicer but WAY overkill for drawing, instead I downloaded a range of iPad drawing apps and found a few I enjoyed using.

    2) Writing.

      It's called an external keyboard (although frankly I can type rather rapidly at this point using the on-screen keyboard).

    3) Video editing. Again for simple editing it's not that bad.

    For professional use, sure it's not going to replace a computer. But you are like the guy looking for one beetles in the tree in front of you instead of seeing the vast forest progressing far beyond the tree that stands in front of you. For most people the iPad is perfectly fine for those tasks, better in fact that a computer at some of them (like drawing) because how many casual artists even have tablets?

    You do realize that an iPad stylus is just a pencil with a fake finger on the end of it, right? A Wacom it is not.

    You do realize you can zoom in to a drawing to handle fine detail with a larger stylus right? I mean DUH. Have you ever even turned on your iPad?

    Did I match your misplaced sarcasm properly there?

    The iPad doesn't even have a proper file system.

    Where's the goddam harness on this horseless carriage? Nor is there a place for my buggy-whi to be stored! Useless I say!

    File interchange is being figured out. It seems primitive compared to what we are used to on computers but for real people it is FAR superior. The computer industry must evolve; it is time. Apple is the only one so far to produce a viable evolutionary path; we should be paying attention instead of ridiculing it.

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    1. Re:I am the 99% by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      You do realize you can zoom in to a drawing to handle fine detail with a larger stylus right? I mean DUH

      Yes, you can use an uncomfortable stylus and blow your image way up to do some painting. You can also cross the United States on a skateboard.

      Where's the goddam harness on this horseless carriage? Nor is there a place for my buggy-whi to be stored! Useless I say ... File interchange is being figured out. !

      Mmm hmm.

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    2. Re:I am the 99% by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can use an uncomfortable stylus and blow your image way up to do some painting. You can also cross the United States on a skateboard.

      Now you are claiming the fault of the iPad stylus is that it is "uncomfortable"? Please.

      As for the difficulty gap, it's more akin to driving across the country in a Honda instead of an Audi...

      You eventually reach the same place.

      "Mmm hmm."

      Those who cannot see the future and don't even try are usually the worst off when it actually arrives.

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    3. Re:I am the 99% by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Now you are claiming the fault of the iPad stylus is that it is "uncomfortable"? Please.

      Yes. It's not the stylus, it's the display they use. That's why it looks (and feels) like the end of a finger and not a precise pointing tool.

      As for the difficulty gap, it's more akin to driving across the country in a Honda instead of an Audi...

      You eventually reach the same place.

      Thank you for supporting my point.

      Those who cannot see the future and don't even try are usually the worst off when it actually arrives.

      And now we're changing tenses to persist with the failing argument.

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  37. Re:No Mac Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Mac support? IDK what you mean? -- EVERY Mac is a PC; and every Mac owner I know has Windows installed alongside BSD, er, I mean "OSX"... (Mostly because they actually live in the real world, with real-world needs and requirments, and so their PC has to be able to do useful things -- i.e. be something OTHER than an oversized music-player/web-browsing appliance).

    Thus every [useful] Mac IS Zune compatible!

    -AC

  38. What? by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    The "insanity that is getting music onto an ipod"? This is the process: 1) plug it in 2) wait 3) there is no step 3. If your music isn't already in iTunes, then you have the additional step of 0) telling iTunes to import you music. Either way this is a pretty far-out definition of "insane".

    1. Re:What? by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      Well, the Apple method only works for a few people. Only freaks would check the "Let iTunes manage my music" because then it'd end up in neat little folders categorized by artists and album, in an easy to use manner.

      Most folks I know have their music thrown into a gigantic tarball from which they extract single files as they need them. It's much easier and better this way.

    2. Re:What? by i_b_don · · Score: 1

      Except if you do anything different that that. In my case, it's reinstalling the OS. Once I do that I lose all my ratings on music, all files that are tagged as audio books I need to tag again as audio books and group together, all files on my ipod must be dumped and re installed, thus losing all my ratings. And finally, podcasts. If I switch between operating systems and I don't package things up BEFORE I make the move, I lose all my setup podcasts and I have to go find them again. Why is this? Because of their fucken DRM. I can't just take the configuration file from the old files and copy them to the new and have everything "just work".

      I've reinstalled my OS twice in the past year. Once when I got windows 7 (while upgrading my system) and once when I got an SSD. Yes, I should have learned my lesson the first time, but when I'm transferring over everything else, itunes gets forgotten and I get burned.

      d

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    3. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Because of their fucken DRM"

      Really? How long ago did you get your music? iTunes hasn't used DRM in YEARS. Several years. And if it bothers you that much, crack open you wallet and upgrade all your music, for about 20 or 30 cents a song, they'll upgrade you to a higher quality file with no DRM.

      If you have iTunes music with DRM, it's by your choice.

  39. Is there really? by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that tablets are inherently going to be kind of sucky at content creation. Of course, "content creation" is a pretty nebulous term, but you're probably not ever going to, for example, want to do web development on a tablet (you really want a keyboard). Same deal for composing music (seems like you'd need a MIDI keyboard). Same deal for simulated painting. Sure you can do it, but the capability is kinda limited without multiple levels of pressure sensitivity.

    I'm a little confused by the reference to OneNote - doesn't it already run on tablets (at least, Windows tablets)? And OneNote is not really what I think of when I think "content creation". I thought it was mostly a note-taking application, although honestly I haven't used it all that much.

  40. Re:Is it so difficult to make a simple usable tabl by narcc · · Score: 1

    If only Microsoft were releasing a new version of Windows that runs on both x86 and ARM with a new UI optimized for tablets...

  41. Re: by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

    It's pretty clear by your comment that you've never used an iPad. You probably haven't ever even seen a person USE the iPad. The only time you see anything relating to someone else's content is when you open the App Store or iBooks.

    Sure, they aren't going to make it hard to buy stuff from the Apple store on an iPad, but to suggest somehow that this is the only function of the device, that all UI interactions lead the way of purchasing somebody else's content, is just to again make yourself out as a fool.

  42. Re:Is it so difficult to make a simple usable tabl by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

    Are they though, really? I don't think they really will make such a bold move.

    They certainly are interested in talking about making this move, because Intel chips are way too hungry for tablet use. My feeling is that they are just announcing vaporware again, and Windows 8 will be just like Windows 7 with a different skin and more driver and compatibility issues.

    What Microsoft says it's doing, and what it shows off as mockups and teasers, usually has little to do with what they eventually ship. I don't want to call you a sucker for buying into their vaporware bullshit schemes for what must be the 20th time for you (assuming you are older than 15) but there it sits, anyway.

  43. AH Microsoft... short sighted morons... by DMJC · · Score: 1

    typical Microsoft... if it doesn't do Office and Windows it's not a product... those morons. Release the product, get it into the market/eating up share first, then add e-mail. It's not exactly hard. That's how Apple have been doing it for years. Make something everyone wants, and force them to adapt their environments to bring it internal. Remember how everyone was going to ban the iPad/iPhone from their offices? then senior management stepped in and DEMANDED those products be supported by internal IT. (Apple has an app for that) and now they're making billions of dollars. Microsoft are morons as usual. Give the people what they want. When they then tell you to add something, add it. If they don't, don't bother.

    1. Re:AH Microsoft... short sighted morons... by DMJC · · Score: 1

      release your awesome hot shit first, and then patch it until the problems disappear...

  44. Real programmers use iPads by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Here's yet another example of truly technical users switching to Apple products ahead of the curve, truly embracing the terminal aspect for that work.

    UNIX users have seen the future (yet again), and it's just fine by them.

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  45. Re:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "used to"? There's a mobile version of Office 2010 included with every 7.x Windows phone. It's pretty good (or at least better than the office apps I've tried on other phone platforms) considering that this seems inherently awkward on a phone.

  46. Re:No Mac Support? by Korin43 · · Score: 1

    I like how you're posting anonymously and still felt the need to sign your post.