This is the most retarded, and geek-hipster statement I've ever read. Congratulations, you've made everyone realize that you think you're better than everyone else.
Why would that make them less profit rather than more?
Returns and support. It would cost them much more to handle the idiot users out there who think they're l33t enough to handle opening their phone, and then fuck it up. So they either have to support them, or deal with the bad publicity of "Apple not standing by their customers and product!"
It's not a good comparison to compare one manufacturer's product against another manufacturer's product?
So the iPhone isn't better than 'individual' phones, its just the only choice you have if you want iOS
Yeah, no. You're just trying to make excuses here. "People keep choosing iOS! But that doesn't mean that they don't like it more! They don't have a choice!"
Windows Mobile 7 is out and Mango 7.5 is pre-release and about to hit market in a few weeks. According to sites like www.amplicate.com the platform has very good ratings. The gui is very well thoughout and it is identical to Windows 8 and syncs with your desktop much better than an Andriod (I do not know about Iphones).
If you're pissed off about needing a Mac to do iPhone development, then you should be equally pissed off about requiring Windows to do Windows Phone 7 development. Otherwise you're just an anti-Apple hypocrite.
You own the phone and there are other permissions too.
Nope. It's locked down just as much as the iPhone. Remember, you still need to pay the same $99 a year to put your own stuff on it.
I guess you wont have bugs like slashdot rendering poorly because it thinks my Andriod 2.1 phone is Chrome.
However, it is locked and tied down to Apple and you can forget about developing software for it without a mac.
I really, really don't get the pissed-off-ness about this statement. Unless you think you should be able to develop for Windows Phone 7, Xbox 360, or DirectX without Windows.
Yeah, his statement is still correct. Granted, there are manufacturers saying that they are going to open the devices, but there are still others that won't.
And remember, from Motorola's point of view, YOU ARE NOT THE CUSTOMER. Verizon is the customer, and if Verizon wants locked phones, then they get locked phones.
That's like saying "Windows Vista doesn't get viruses if you use a Microsoft Certified Firewall Solution, Microsoft Certified Anti-Virus Solution, only install Microsoft Certified software and don't open files from outside your own network in addition to exercising due diligence and having your computer serviced by a Microsoft Approved Technician weekly."
You still have the internet available. And many, if not most websites realize that iOS has a significant chunk of web traffic, and that it can't do flash. So they are designing websites with that limitation in mind. Your point is moot.
A related article about the report asks whether open source needs corporate backing to truly succeed.
No, it doesn't need it, but it definitely helps to have someone with deep pockets willing to financially support your project. Meaning that people can work on the project as part of their full time job, instead of having to do something else with most of their time to be able to afford food and shelter.
Most of their products are also either so crippled (Chronium) or limited by other means (Android and HW makers drivers) that they're practically unusable for real use or development.
Last I saw, you could easily take the Android Open Source Project and put it on an embedded computing device of your designing. Whether or not you actually have the resources to do so is no concern of theirs, and really doesn't have any bearing on it's openness.
All this "object oriented" crap is just an abstraction that helps people
Which is why it's popular. The name of the game is getting shit done, and if something abstracts something in a way that makes things easier, then it's a good thing.
$120 for something that includes all sorts of stuff that I might not need is hardly a good deal.
Maybe not, but then presumably you wouldn't be buying it if you didn't need it. However, there are some applications in which this would be a better choice than an Arduino, due to the increased memory and power.
And I fail to see why Apple should have to support their dev tools on other OSes. That's what everyone is getting their panties in a twist about; they feel that Apple should port and support their dev tools on other platforms. Which is absurd on it's face.
On the other hand, you must have Mac OS X to compile iOS code.
So fucking what? Do you honestly expect them to make a version of their compiler for everything out there? And are you also expecting Microsoft to make a version of the WP7 compiler that runs on everything out there?
Yes i could buy a mini, or apple could fuck off with their overpriced junk, and requiring it to run their damn IDE
Oh noes! To develop for someone's platform, you have to have their platform. The injustice of it all!
Quit bitching. You have plenty of options to you. More if you drop the retarded idea that you need a brand new Mac, when obviously you're just fine with using hardware that's a couple generations out.
Why would i want to start out my small experiment with investing 1000 euros just to be able to program?
Why are you insisting that you need a new Mac, when you've obviously showed that you're perfectly fine with older hardware? Go buy a 2 year old Mac, and you'll be just fine.
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This is the most retarded, and geek-hipster statement I've ever read. Congratulations, you've made everyone realize that you think you're better than everyone else.
Why would that make them less profit rather than more?
Returns and support. It would cost them much more to handle the idiot users out there who think they're l33t enough to handle opening their phone, and then fuck it up. So they either have to support them, or deal with the bad publicity of "Apple not standing by their customers and product!"
No, there hasn't, unless you're using undocumented Private APIs.
Its not such a good comparison.
It's not a good comparison to compare one manufacturer's product against another manufacturer's product?
So the iPhone isn't better than 'individual' phones, its just the only choice you have if you want iOS
Yeah, no. You're just trying to make excuses here. "People keep choosing iOS! But that doesn't mean that they don't like it more! They don't have a choice!"
They do if you're on AT&T.
6.5 is old news and obsolete like Symbian.
That was his point.
Windows Mobile 7 is out and Mango 7.5 is pre-release and about to hit market in a few weeks. According to sites like www.amplicate.com the platform has very good ratings. The gui is very well thoughout and it is identical to Windows 8 and syncs with your desktop much better than an Andriod (I do not know about Iphones).
If you're pissed off about needing a Mac to do iPhone development, then you should be equally pissed off about requiring Windows to do Windows Phone 7 development. Otherwise you're just an anti-Apple hypocrite.
You own the phone and there are other permissions too.
Nope. It's locked down just as much as the iPhone. Remember, you still need to pay the same $99 a year to put your own stuff on it.
I guess you wont have bugs like slashdot rendering poorly because it thinks my Andriod 2.1 phone is Chrome.
Probably because they share the same guts.
However, it is locked and tied down to Apple and you can forget about developing software for it without a mac.
I really, really don't get the pissed-off-ness about this statement. Unless you think you should be able to develop for Windows Phone 7, Xbox 360, or DirectX without Windows.
Yeah, his statement is still correct. Granted, there are manufacturers saying that they are going to open the devices, but there are still others that won't.
And remember, from Motorola's point of view, YOU ARE NOT THE CUSTOMER. Verizon is the customer, and if Verizon wants locked phones, then they get locked phones.
That's like saying "Windows Vista doesn't get viruses if you use a Microsoft Certified Firewall Solution, Microsoft Certified Anti-Virus Solution, only install Microsoft Certified software and don't open files from outside your own network in addition to exercising due diligence and having your computer serviced by a Microsoft Approved Technician weekly."
No, not even close. Quit with the FUD.
You still have the internet available. And many, if not most websites realize that iOS has a significant chunk of web traffic, and that it can't do flash. So they are designing websites with that limitation in mind. Your point is moot.
I think he meant closed as in, no way to get in or out. So you couldn't actually do anything with it.
Not to mention that Google's Market is far better than the rest of them, mainly because it has the most of all of them.
FTS:
A related article about the report asks whether open source needs corporate backing to truly succeed.
No, it doesn't need it, but it definitely helps to have someone with deep pockets willing to financially support your project. Meaning that people can work on the project as part of their full time job, instead of having to do something else with most of their time to be able to afford food and shelter.
you can't put it on your device
Says who? There are some devices which are locked down, but many more which you can easily put your own kernel on there.
Most of their products are also either so crippled (Chronium) or limited by other means (Android and HW makers drivers) that they're practically unusable for real use or development.
Last I saw, you could easily take the Android Open Source Project and put it on an embedded computing device of your designing. Whether or not you actually have the resources to do so is no concern of theirs, and really doesn't have any bearing on it's openness.
No Linux? So what's the point about it being open-source then?
Why should Microsoft need to support it's dev tools on other platforms? The stuff that makes up the board, and makes up the framework are open source.
All this "object oriented" crap is just an abstraction that helps people
Which is why it's popular. The name of the game is getting shit done, and if something abstracts something in a way that makes things easier, then it's a good thing.
$120 for something that includes all sorts of stuff that I might not need is hardly a good deal.
Maybe not, but then presumably you wouldn't be buying it if you didn't need it. However, there are some applications in which this would be a better choice than an Arduino, due to the increased memory and power.
And it fucking shouldn't be. Why the fuck should someone have to be "valuable" to have rights?
And I fail to see why Apple should have to support their dev tools on other OSes. That's what everyone is getting their panties in a twist about; they feel that Apple should port and support their dev tools on other platforms. Which is absurd on it's face.
On the other hand, you must have Mac OS X to compile iOS code.
So fucking what? Do you honestly expect them to make a version of their compiler for everything out there? And are you also expecting Microsoft to make a version of the WP7 compiler that runs on everything out there?
I'm saying that people who have been out of work for a while don't have the freedom to simply bargain with the employer like that.
As soon as you point me to the official Windows dev tools for Linux.
Yes i could buy a mini, or apple could fuck off with their overpriced junk, and requiring it to run their damn IDE
Oh noes! To develop for someone's platform, you have to have their platform. The injustice of it all!
Quit bitching. You have plenty of options to you. More if you drop the retarded idea that you need a brand new Mac, when obviously you're just fine with using hardware that's a couple generations out.
Why would i want to start out my small experiment with investing 1000 euros just to be able to program?
Why are you insisting that you need a new Mac, when you've obviously showed that you're perfectly fine with older hardware? Go buy a 2 year old Mac, and you'll be just fine.