Is there a good excuse for a "hackable" console device other than being able to do piracy of multiple types of content?
Being able to use it for purposes other than the original intended one? Look at the original Xbox: Hacking it got us XBMC, one of the better living room PC setups of the time. That later evolved to Roku.
The problem with your argument is that the Wii is actually a pretty good console - it's just saddled with crappy games because that's all that makes it past Nintendo's vetting process.
What are you talking about? Lots of good games made it past Nintendo's vetting process. It's just that the console itself was so different than the other two, most companies wouldn't put their flagship titles on it.
Yes, they turn out to be absolute shit. Simply using them is what makes it true. And it's a huge part of the reason why Android tablets have done so shitty compared to the iPad. Why would someone pay more money just to use the same apps in exactly the same configuration as they do on their phone?
Scaling up a phone interface to a tablet size wasn't good on the iPad, and it's not good on Android. There is a LOT more work to supporting bigger screens than simply making everything bigger. Taking advantage of the additional screen real estate is a must if you want to even attempt having tablet support.
CronoCloud and others have told me [slashdot.org] several times [slashdot.org] that only someone who has already worked for a major developer in a major city would have a hope of qualifying for such a devkit. What do these major developers want to see in the resume and portfolio of an entry-level programmer or artist?
I know for a fact that the Xbox has the Indie marketplace where you can develop and sell your game despite not meeting this qualification.
I'm told people aren't used to playing multiplayer games that aren't online on a PC. Party-style multiplayer is the big advantage that consoles (especially the Wii) have over the PC. If someone were to release a PC game that works with a keyboard in single-player mode or with gamepads in multiplayer, would anyone be interested?
Then make them interested. Otherwise quit your bitching.
The only accurate way to put it. And clearly you're ok with it.
If someone is dumb enough to overpay for merchandise
And how the fuck do they know this? Remember, one of the requirements for capitalism to have a chance at working is perfect information. If people aren't given information as to what shit is being sold for to other people, then it doesn't fucking work.
No, you're not. You are affected whether you involve yourself or not. Downturns in the stock market make it harder for other people to do business, meaning they have to cut back. When they cut back, usually one of the first things they cut back on are self-employed assholes like you.
YOU ARE NOT A FUCKING ISLAND. Get that through your fucking head.
Fuck off with your, "only the strong should survive" bullshit. Not everyone who gets bullied wants to be bullied. But when you do not have the fucking resources necessary to take them on, what the fuck do you suggest they do?
This attitude right here is why I can never respect the Libertarian point of view, or anyone like yourself. You honestly have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
By the FINRA rules there has to be a COMPLAINT, I am talking about companies being shaken down, don't you understand?
No, but that's probably because they're not being "shaken down". They're investigating complaints. And given the shit the financial sector has been up to the past few years, I'm glad someone is actually investigating this shit.
yeah, dumb ass, is that why there is not a single banking application in USA this year, this is first time since ever
Do you honestly want to start up a bank in this environment? With the current hatred of the banks we see from the general public? Didn't think so.
And quite frankly, I don't give a shit if someone decided not to open a bank. Doesn't affect anything.
Or maybe that's why FINRA only collected 80 million last year, which is way down because so many brokerages closed down due to highest compliance costs ever, those brokerages are constantly harassed by the government, their compliance costs are growing, they are being audited nearly every year now.
GOOD. They should be audited every fucking year. If you can't afford to show that you're actually following regulations, then how can you afford to actually follow regulations?
Oh damn, there are people making sure that the shellfish are sustainably harvested. How dare they try to make sure that the shellfish population can restore itself, so that people can keep harvesting shellfish.
Seriously, the examples you people keep coming up with are laughably bad, and show nothing but obscenely short sighted thinking.
And people like you have no real idea how much government regulations cost business.
Bullshit.
OR how about this. There is a fire hazard law that says you cannot daisy chain Extension cords. Okay so the solution is to buy a extension cord long enough. No problem. How about those Power strips? Well good luck finding one that has 25' cord on it. You have to make it yourself or get an electrician to do it. Well, I've seen more fires(Computer Power Supply pooof) due to faulty re-wire job on those than I have due to daisy chaining them together. IT does NOTHING to solve the problem, and actually creates new problems and... if you're following along... new regulations! Yay!
That is quite possibly the most childish bitching I've seen about something stupid on here in a long time. You know, if you really believed your pro-business bullshit, you'd say this was the perfect opportunity for you to develop a power strip with a 25' cord on it. Instead, you just bitch about nothing.
I like how you just bitch about "regulations" without mentioning at all what they were, or what the alternatives were.
And your bitching about requiring gas be bought from a particular refinery is complete horseshit. A gas station owner CHOOSES to associate themselves with that refinery.
Yeah. And if you can't figure it out, you've got bigger problems. Either you can't figure out a simple UI, or you're using a player with a crappy UI when there are many alternatives. If your sound player's UI sucks so bad, why are you still using it?
Again, you're trying to claim you know better than they do what their users want. You know what you want, and you're trying to generalize that to say that's what all of their "important users" want. Basically, you can't stand the idea that you're not the majority of their users.
That is one of the nice things about Android. It is specifically designed to handle multiple resolutions. That means that the difference between a TV size optimized game and a phone size optimized game can be as little as exporting your graphic resources at different resolutions.
While it can be, apps that take that approach to supporting both phones and tablets turn out to be absolute shit, especially on tablets. There's a LOT more to supporting larger resolutions than simply making everything bigger.
I can't see the standard Android interface working well for a TV. But yes, being able to modify it for purposes other than the original stated one is a good thing.
So for which platform should an indie game developer release a game that supports multiple gamepads or a mobile game in a genre that works best with a gamepad?
Xbox, Wii, PS3, PC. Feel free to release it for Android as well, given this and the Nexus Q, but I wouldn't expect it to be a huge percent of your sales.
Sorry, but those explanations are pretty tenuous at best. This thing still has some pretty big hurdles to jump, especially competition from games consoles. The idea that people want to "go beyond the selection of games that console makers allow" is pretty shaky, as most console makers allow quite a wide variety, and most people are satisfied with the selection there. And in order for that to be a draw, the stuff they wouldn't ordinarily get has to be pretty substantial, and it's doubtful you'd get any kind of substantial gaming experience brought to a device like this at the price points people would associate it with.
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Is there a good excuse for a "hackable" console device other than being able to do piracy of multiple types of content?
Being able to use it for purposes other than the original intended one? Look at the original Xbox: Hacking it got us XBMC, one of the better living room PC setups of the time. That later evolved to Roku.
The problem with your argument is that the Wii is actually a pretty good console - it's just saddled with crappy games because that's all that makes it past Nintendo's vetting process.
What are you talking about? Lots of good games made it past Nintendo's vetting process. It's just that the console itself was so different than the other two, most companies wouldn't put their flagship titles on it.
Isn't there a $99 Xbox 360 version?
Yes, they turn out to be absolute shit. Simply using them is what makes it true. And it's a huge part of the reason why Android tablets have done so shitty compared to the iPad. Why would someone pay more money just to use the same apps in exactly the same configuration as they do on their phone?
Scaling up a phone interface to a tablet size wasn't good on the iPad, and it's not good on Android. There is a LOT more work to supporting bigger screens than simply making everything bigger. Taking advantage of the additional screen real estate is a must if you want to even attempt having tablet support.
CronoCloud and others have told me [slashdot.org] several times [slashdot.org] that only someone who has already worked for a major developer in a major city would have a hope of qualifying for such a devkit. What do these major developers want to see in the resume and portfolio of an entry-level programmer or artist?
I know for a fact that the Xbox has the Indie marketplace where you can develop and sell your game despite not meeting this qualification.
I'm told people aren't used to playing multiplayer games that aren't online on a PC. Party-style multiplayer is the big advantage that consoles (especially the Wii) have over the PC. If someone were to release a PC game that works with a keyboard in single-player mode or with gamepads in multiplayer, would anyone be interested?
Then make them interested. Otherwise quit your bitching.
That has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion. And none of that will be available on this new console. Try again.
You could put it that way.
The only accurate way to put it. And clearly you're ok with it.
If someone is dumb enough to overpay for merchandise
And how the fuck do they know this? Remember, one of the requirements for capitalism to have a chance at working is perfect information. If people aren't given information as to what shit is being sold for to other people, then it doesn't fucking work.
No, you're not. You are affected whether you involve yourself or not. Downturns in the stock market make it harder for other people to do business, meaning they have to cut back. When they cut back, usually one of the first things they cut back on are self-employed assholes like you.
YOU ARE NOT A FUCKING ISLAND. Get that through your fucking head.
Fuck off with your, "only the strong should survive" bullshit. Not everyone who gets bullied wants to be bullied. But when you do not have the fucking resources necessary to take them on, what the fuck do you suggest they do?
This attitude right here is why I can never respect the Libertarian point of view, or anyone like yourself. You honestly have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Oh noes. Someone has to prove their competence. Boo fucking hoo.
By the FINRA rules there has to be a COMPLAINT, I am talking about companies being shaken down, don't you understand?
No, but that's probably because they're not being "shaken down". They're investigating complaints. And given the shit the financial sector has been up to the past few years, I'm glad someone is actually investigating this shit.
FINRA chased so many businesses out of the market
No, they didn't.
yeah, dumb ass, is that why there is not a single banking application in USA this year, this is first time since ever
Do you honestly want to start up a bank in this environment? With the current hatred of the banks we see from the general public? Didn't think so.
And quite frankly, I don't give a shit if someone decided not to open a bank. Doesn't affect anything.
Or maybe that's why FINRA only collected 80 million last year, which is way down because so many brokerages closed down due to highest compliance costs ever, those brokerages are constantly harassed by the government, their compliance costs are growing, they are being audited nearly every year now.
GOOD. They should be audited every fucking year. If you can't afford to show that you're actually following regulations, then how can you afford to actually follow regulations?
Oh damn, there are people making sure that the shellfish are sustainably harvested. How dare they try to make sure that the shellfish population can restore itself, so that people can keep harvesting shellfish.
Seriously, the examples you people keep coming up with are laughably bad, and show nothing but obscenely short sighted thinking.
And people like you have no real idea how much government regulations cost business.
Bullshit.
OR how about this. There is a fire hazard law that says you cannot daisy chain Extension cords. Okay so the solution is to buy a extension cord long enough. No problem. How about those Power strips? Well good luck finding one that has 25' cord on it. You have to make it yourself or get an electrician to do it. Well, I've seen more fires(Computer Power Supply pooof) due to faulty re-wire job on those than I have due to daisy chaining them together. IT does NOTHING to solve the problem, and actually creates new problems and ... if you're following along ... new regulations! Yay!
That is quite possibly the most childish bitching I've seen about something stupid on here in a long time. You know, if you really believed your pro-business bullshit, you'd say this was the perfect opportunity for you to develop a power strip with a 25' cord on it. Instead, you just bitch about nothing.
I like how you just bitch about "regulations" without mentioning at all what they were, or what the alternatives were.
And your bitching about requiring gas be bought from a particular refinery is complete horseshit. A gas station owner CHOOSES to associate themselves with that refinery.
There's nothing in ICS that is an absolute necessity.
There's nothing in Android at all that's an "absolute necessity". We could all get by with StarTac style phones and Nokia bricks.
Yeah. And if you can't figure it out, you've got bigger problems. Either you can't figure out a simple UI, or you're using a player with a crappy UI when there are many alternatives. If your sound player's UI sucks so bad, why are you still using it?
Lurkers are users too. And usually they give better feedback, as they're not the angry, vocal minority.
Again, you're trying to claim you know better than they do what their users want. You know what you want, and you're trying to generalize that to say that's what all of their "important users" want. Basically, you can't stand the idea that you're not the majority of their users.
It is an object. It just doesn't have language support for being treated special. But for all intents and purposes, it's an object.
That is one of the nice things about Android. It is specifically designed to handle multiple resolutions. That means that the difference between a TV size optimized game and a phone size optimized game can be as little as exporting your graphic resources at different resolutions.
While it can be, apps that take that approach to supporting both phones and tablets turn out to be absolute shit, especially on tablets. There's a LOT more to supporting larger resolutions than simply making everything bigger.
People might be more willing to gamble on episode 1 of a game at ~$.99 than the entire game at ~$7.
I can't see the standard Android interface working well for a TV. But yes, being able to modify it for purposes other than the original stated one is a good thing.
So for which platform should an indie game developer release a game that supports multiple gamepads or a mobile game in a genre that works best with a gamepad?
Xbox, Wii, PS3, PC. Feel free to release it for Android as well, given this and the Nexus Q, but I wouldn't expect it to be a huge percent of your sales.
Sorry, but those explanations are pretty tenuous at best. This thing still has some pretty big hurdles to jump, especially competition from games consoles. The idea that people want to "go beyond the selection of games that console makers allow" is pretty shaky, as most console makers allow quite a wide variety, and most people are satisfied with the selection there. And in order for that to be a draw, the stuff they wouldn't ordinarily get has to be pretty substantial, and it's doubtful you'd get any kind of substantial gaming experience brought to a device like this at the price points people would associate it with.