If the rest of the herd is vaccinated, then that child poses very little risk. It's when you add a bunch of other unvaccinated kids that there is now a risk.
You can only consider it faulty if you're an idiot who knows nothing about vaccines, and such a self-centered douche-bag that you feel your decisions only exist in a vacuum.
1). Vaccines are not 100% effective; there are a number of people who do not develop sufficient immunity after getting it. However, because everyone else around them has, the bug has an extremely difficult time taking hold and spreading, therefore the people who don't get immunity can be considered safe. But if now, a significant number of you assholes stop vaccinating your children, then there is a large enough group of non-immune people to where the bug CAN take hold. Worse yet, the bug can mutate inside those people, and start being able to infect others who were immune.
2). There are some people who cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. They rely on herd immunity to keep them safe. You are putting them at elevated risk for your own selfish reasons. That makes you a douche-bag.
I'm sure you've heard this all before, though, and will choose to ignore it. Because you're self-centered like that, and believe that you could never make a wrong decision.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? We have many, many studies on our side that show vaccines severely DECREASING the rates of infection for many, many terrible illnesses. It was the vaccine for smallpox that made it largely non-existent in today's world. It was the vaccine for polio that made it largely non-existent in the civilized world. Damn skippy I know that by vaccinating my children I'm keeping them safe.
Vaccines aren't 100% effective, and not everyone can get vaccinated, due to having weakened immune systems. You being an asshole has just increased the risks for those two groups as well.
Even more unfortunately is it's not just the children of these retards that suffer. Immunizations aren't perfect, and there is a group of people for which it doesn't take. There is another group of people who can't get vaccinated due to weakened immune systems. These groups are highly at risk due to the actions of the retards, as well.
Seriously? You would choose early death by a stupidly, retardedly preventable and quite deadly disease over autism? Especially when an even smaller amount of people have "supposedly" gotten autism from a vaccine than have died from these illnesses?
(Yes, I know you said you would vaccinate and don't believe autism is caused by vaccines. I'm commenting on your first paragraph.)
Well, they kinda do. The project doesn't get paid until they meet their funding goal.
The problem with your idea is that, this Kickstarter money is supposed to be the money needed to actually produce the project. For a widget, it'd be the money needed to get it designed, get it manufactured, and get it shipped. Saying I have to front all that money myself completely eliminates the reason for having Kickstarter.
I dont see the problem with them posting a picture of a vacation.
Then you don't get the implications of them posting the picture. It looks really, really bad, especially after a bunch of people have just given you money to deliver something you haven't.
How much compensation do you think these people deserve? And tell me, divided over several people, do you really think $600k for 5 years of work is a large amount?
Do they? Remember the whole fucking point of a class-action: It's so that people who were wronged, but in a small way, can band together and make it cost effective to go after the company for damages. If they were forced to go it alone, how many people do you think would actually pursue action? And how many of them do you think would actually come out on top after legal fees? Hell, how many do you think would actually be able to find a lawyer willing to take their case?
Again, you've got no fucking idea what the hell happened, do you? You just see lawyers getting a lot of money, and start to bitch.
Did you ever stop to think how long this case took? 5 years. Do you know how much the plaintiffs paid them during that time? 0. That's right, they were not paid up front. In addition, they had to front costs for travel, for court fees, for staff, for office rent, etc. Divided up amongst the several lawyers, that ends up being a lot of work for not much payday.
And tell me, how much do you think the plaintiffs should have been paid? How much do you think they were actually harmed?
As much as you'd like to believe, this is not a case of the company handing over a bunch of money, and then the lawyers taking a bunch of it.
Again, all I'm hearing is that you're complaining about someone making things difficult for you, and you not wanting to take "personal responsibility" for yourself. And yet, I would imagine you'd be one of those assholes who believes that it's completely legit for a credit card company to ass rape you on terms, or for a cell phone company to promise you "unlimited" yet give you something else, because "you should have read the contract."
Further, you need to actually back up your claim that you're automatically in unless you opt out.
No, I mean we are not broke. Take a look around you. This is not a broke nation.
And I like how the stuff you would start with is stuff that actually HELPS PEOPLE in this country, and yet, you wouldn't touch any of the oil subsidies, nor would you touch the military. I see where your priorities lay.
In cases like this there are lots of plaintiff's with minimal damages
That's the whole fucking point of a class-action, dumbass. It's a way to bring together a lot of people who were harmed, but not by a lot, so that they can collectively take action against the company, and punish the company for harming them. If they all had to bring their own, individual lawsuit, while paying their own legal representation, or taking time off work to act as their own lawyer, how many do you think would actually do it? And the company would continue on doing that bullshit that they've been doing.
Also, if you do the actual math, the lawyers didn't make out like bandits. $600k over 5 years, divided by however many lawyers, minus travel costs, court costs, other expenses, rent, etc, isn't much at all. Remember, they weren't getting paid by the people of the class during this time.
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You also need to take into consideration that gun deaths are counted as "gun deaths" even if someone shoots someone in justifiable self defense
As it should. Because it's still, you know, SOMEONE DYING BECAUSE THEY WERE SHOT.
Yeah, fuck you. If you choose not to vaccinate your children, then you should be forced to make them live their lives in one of those plastic bubbles.
This is NOT a point of freedom. This is you trying to justify being a douche bag.
I was mauled by a bear last week, you insensitive clod!
If the rest of the herd is vaccinated, then that child poses very little risk. It's when you add a bunch of other unvaccinated kids that there is now a risk.
You can only consider it faulty if you're an idiot who knows nothing about vaccines, and such a self-centered douche-bag that you feel your decisions only exist in a vacuum.
1). Vaccines are not 100% effective; there are a number of people who do not develop sufficient immunity after getting it. However, because everyone else around them has, the bug has an extremely difficult time taking hold and spreading, therefore the people who don't get immunity can be considered safe. But if now, a significant number of you assholes stop vaccinating your children, then there is a large enough group of non-immune people to where the bug CAN take hold. Worse yet, the bug can mutate inside those people, and start being able to infect others who were immune.
2). There are some people who cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. They rely on herd immunity to keep them safe. You are putting them at elevated risk for your own selfish reasons. That makes you a douche-bag.
I'm sure you've heard this all before, though, and will choose to ignore it. Because you're self-centered like that, and believe that you could never make a wrong decision.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? We have many, many studies on our side that show vaccines severely DECREASING the rates of infection for many, many terrible illnesses. It was the vaccine for smallpox that made it largely non-existent in today's world. It was the vaccine for polio that made it largely non-existent in the civilized world. Damn skippy I know that by vaccinating my children I'm keeping them safe.
That's not how this game is played. You have to prove that vaccines DO cause autism.
Vaccines aren't 100% effective, and not everyone can get vaccinated, due to having weakened immune systems. You being an asshole has just increased the risks for those two groups as well.
Even more unfortunately is it's not just the children of these retards that suffer. Immunizations aren't perfect, and there is a group of people for which it doesn't take. There is another group of people who can't get vaccinated due to weakened immune systems. These groups are highly at risk due to the actions of the retards, as well.
Seriously? You would choose early death by a stupidly, retardedly preventable and quite deadly disease over autism? Especially when an even smaller amount of people have "supposedly" gotten autism from a vaccine than have died from these illnesses?
(Yes, I know you said you would vaccinate and don't believe autism is caused by vaccines. I'm commenting on your first paragraph.)
Yes, but those companies are gifting the contributions back.
How do you "drop out" after they've already paid the money to the project?
Well, they kinda do. The project doesn't get paid until they meet their funding goal.
The problem with your idea is that, this Kickstarter money is supposed to be the money needed to actually produce the project. For a widget, it'd be the money needed to get it designed, get it manufactured, and get it shipped. Saying I have to front all that money myself completely eliminates the reason for having Kickstarter.
I dont see the problem with them posting a picture of a vacation.
Then you don't get the implications of them posting the picture. It looks really, really bad, especially after a bunch of people have just given you money to deliver something you haven't.
How much compensation do you think these people deserve? And tell me, divided over several people, do you really think $600k for 5 years of work is a large amount?
Tell me, do you think the plaintiffs were actually harmed to more than $2k? How much do you think they should receive for a credit card breach?
I find it funny that no one wants to answer that question. They all want to bitch and moan about the ratio of payout to legal fees.
Do they? Remember the whole fucking point of a class-action: It's so that people who were wronged, but in a small way, can band together and make it cost effective to go after the company for damages. If they were forced to go it alone, how many people do you think would actually pursue action? And how many of them do you think would actually come out on top after legal fees? Hell, how many do you think would actually be able to find a lawyer willing to take their case?
No. You are just spouting off bullshit to try and reinforce your own views. Stop it.
The plaintiffs got around $2k each. Not the pittance you're claiming.
And unless you can actually prove something, shut the fuck up.
I could probably say the same about the work most of us do. How much of it is "actually necessary"?
Again, you've got no fucking idea what the hell happened, do you? You just see lawyers getting a lot of money, and start to bitch.
Did you ever stop to think how long this case took? 5 years. Do you know how much the plaintiffs paid them during that time? 0. That's right, they were not paid up front. In addition, they had to front costs for travel, for court fees, for staff, for office rent, etc. Divided up amongst the several lawyers, that ends up being a lot of work for not much payday.
And tell me, how much do you think the plaintiffs should have been paid? How much do you think they were actually harmed?
As much as you'd like to believe, this is not a case of the company handing over a bunch of money, and then the lawyers taking a bunch of it.
So now, in order for me to get justice, I have to commit murder. Sounds fan-fucking-tastic.
Again, all I'm hearing is that you're complaining about someone making things difficult for you, and you not wanting to take "personal responsibility" for yourself. And yet, I would imagine you'd be one of those assholes who believes that it's completely legit for a credit card company to ass rape you on terms, or for a cell phone company to promise you "unlimited" yet give you something else, because "you should have read the contract."
Further, you need to actually back up your claim that you're automatically in unless you opt out.
Sooo, if you have a completely retarded analogy, should I bother to respond to your worthless comment?
No, I mean we are not broke. Take a look around you. This is not a broke nation.
And I like how the stuff you would start with is stuff that actually HELPS PEOPLE in this country, and yet, you wouldn't touch any of the oil subsidies, nor would you touch the military. I see where your priorities lay.
In cases like this there are lots of plaintiff's with minimal damages
That's the whole fucking point of a class-action, dumbass. It's a way to bring together a lot of people who were harmed, but not by a lot, so that they can collectively take action against the company, and punish the company for harming them. If they all had to bring their own, individual lawsuit, while paying their own legal representation, or taking time off work to act as their own lawyer, how many do you think would actually do it? And the company would continue on doing that bullshit that they've been doing.
Also, if you do the actual math, the lawyers didn't make out like bandits. $600k over 5 years, divided by however many lawyers, minus travel costs, court costs, other expenses, rent, etc, isn't much at all. Remember, they weren't getting paid by the people of the class during this time.