I can't speak for thaylin, but had I looked at the same times I would have noticed, because I often look for interesting design techniques when I view apple.com (not the actual graphics of the design so much as the site has been used for years as a testbed for interesting CSS and JS techniques), and I have certainly noticed that their front page has for some time been viewport-dependent; but it has not used the same implementation that it does on the UK version (it's been the way it is on the US version), and I would notice that change.
This validates all extremism (B) by claiming that it must have had a valid complaint (A).
Not that it must but that it does. That doesn't validate anything, it addresses reality rather than ignoring it.
What violent extremist movement exists today that does not have a public, democratic, social, economic or otherwise legitimate way of addressing its concerns?
Given al Qaeda's foundation in wahabism, centered in the Arabian peninsula and expanding into south-central Asia and northern Africa, the dearth of democratic institutions is pretty relevant. For that matter, the fact that no targets of US foreign policy have any input into the policy underscores that. This is still not to justify the extremism, but rather to point out that other forms of input are lacking, broken, or compromised.
That said, I'll reiterate that the concerns are worth addressing on their own merits and that it's a positive side-effect that it would undermine the support climate for the violent extremist reactions.
The point is that extremism is not a necessary consequence of their complaint. There are other ways.
It's not a necessary consequence, but the complaint is a necessary precursor! Violent extremism, as a phenomenon, requires a sea in which to swim.
I would rather encourage good behavior than give credence to bad behavior, because by acknowledging legitimacy to bad behavior, you encourage more of it.
It's not giving credence to bad behavior. It's addressing real problems that already need to be addressed. As a positive side-effect, it provides much less of a foundation for those violent extremists to rally people.
I don't know why you're obsessed with this. Of course they chose. I want to discourage that choice. You want to punish it. I would rather eliminate the hydra than fight it as it spawns new heads. To resist that is just stubborn self-destruction.
1. Not everyone becomes an extremist, because there are other ways of expressing discontent or changing policy.
But the violent extremists are the problem in the context of the discussion, and the context of your comment which I responded to. All of your options were for "the terrorists", not for people taking other directions with their discontent. And those people, I think we'd agree, are not who we want to stifle.
2. You assume they have no choice in the matter, and that our acts manipulate them directly.
How do you figure? I assume they exist, and that we want to solve the problem rather than not.
This seems to be the type of permissiveness that rewards bad behavior and ignores good. If you're worried about bad things happening in politics, find the people who are doing good and get them into power.
Insofar as I agree that that kind of meddling is even appropriate, it's worth noting that those people who represent our interests commonly complain that the conditions that inspire people to become and support violent extremists are a serious detriment to their efforts.
By encouraging us to see the choice to become an extremist as normal, you are encouraging the devolution of politics into more conflict and terrorism.
I'm encouraging no such thing. I'm pointing out that people don't become violent for no reason, and that it's worth addressing those reasons to undermine the choice to become violent. Let's never mind that only one option on your list is not violent and extreme and you dismiss it out of hand.
4. Determine the conditions that inspire people to become—or, more importantly, support—violent extremists who threaten us and our values, and mitigate or eliminate those conditions.
Most people have the good sense to support that option, especially in recognizing that those conditions themselves fundamentally threaten our values as well, if it's presented as an option. It's so far from the dominant discourse that we end up facing the false choice you've presented.
Technology pricing usually declines over the top of the curve of that technology's widespread usefulness, it's not unique to Apple's supply chain. Apple is usually pretty aggressive about using high-end components in its high-end models, then aggressive about pushing them downmarket in a generation or two (displays are a great example here; see the iPod touch gaining the same screen as the iPhone). They can only do this by taking advantage of declining cost as economies of scale improve and cutting edge features progress. The retail price rarely declines, but neither do margins increase substantially; instead, they regularly cycle through new/improved parts to justify the same prices and margins. And again, it's not so unique, it's fairly common for consumer products. The only reason it's not as common in the computer industry is that the OEM model favors low-margin-high-volume strategies over other kinds of differentiation.
this meme that the rich just want to steal from the poor only works on the stupid
"Poor" and "rich" are not finite states. The wealth divide has been increasing at a pretty incredible clip. That doesn't happen spontaneously, it's a consequence of policy... set by the rich and powerful.
The voting system has more features than who appears on a ballot. Appearing on a ballot doesn't overcome the spoiler effect: less established parties are recursively seen as not viable and then can't establish viability. It's a predictable effect of "first past the post" voting systems.
Let me paraphrase, as an analogy, what you've given me.
"The Bible explains everything you need to know about sexual morality."
What does it explain? Can you give me a reason to consider the Bible a sexual morality reference? There's oodles of books out there competing for my attention. What is the content I'm supposed to be motivated to go look at? Do you have an outline or even a few quotes?
Incidentally, I've continued to reply because I'm genuinely interested in the subject. Why are you so determined not to sell me on this, and so condescendingly at that? I've given you many opportunities.
Why would I buy a book without any substantive comment on what I might expect to find in it? Is it really so involved that you can't provide a short synopsis that would help me understand your point? I think I'm being pretty generous by inviting you twice now to state what you want me to take away from your comment.
Uh, he's not talking about body language and sub-verbal communication. We're talking actual spoken language.
Mewing is verbal.
And unless your cat can shoot lighting bolts, it's not an accurate analogy to start with.
I didn't have any comment on the analogy, just on the point about sentience.
Well I won't claim you can't judge their emotion or communicate, because you can to a limited extent. The mistake you're making is Projecting your understanding of an actual Feline onto an imaginary being because it looks similar to a real life cat. It's not a cat, it's made up and whatever the creator says they like, they like, and you're wrong if you try to claim otherwise because it's not your invention.
I'm not doing anything of the sort. Like I said, I had no comment on the analogy.
The last time I had a conversation with my cat is this evening. If you mean direct, two-way, verbal communication, it was this morning. Her food bowl was empty, which she told me, by mewing and physically showing me what she was mewing about. She free-feeds, and sometimes it isn't empty, and she doesn't typically mew and go to her food bowl when it's not empty; when she does, something else is wrong and she knows that is a way to prompt attention.
Generally, the response I get to these sorts of scenarios is that I'm projecting and I can't adequately judge a non-human animal's attention without human language (which, by the way, begs the question). But this sort of reasoning easily devolves all the way to cogito ergo sum: nothing can be truly known but what's in your mind. What a hopelessly chaotic worldview. My cat and I communicate, sometimes with mistakes just as with human-human communication. But it shows an enormous lack of experience or empathy to believe that non-human animal sentience doesn't exist.
Except that's obviously a pick-one list. It can't be "retarded" to successfully manipulate "retarded" media. Either the media manipulation is successful—and the effort is savvy—or it fails—and the media is savvy.
So, you're actually saying that if you introduce toll lanes, the demand for those lanes will fall... and the people who previously had that demand will just vanish? Or will they just use the (now more congested) toll-free lanes? Demand for the good whose price increased may fall, but unless you impose tolls on all of the lanes (and then all of the alternate routes), you're just moving the congestion around, almost certainly non-optimally. The only way to actually reduce congestion would be to eliminate alternate routes for those who can't or won't pay the tolls. Which, considering the sort of oligarchic, myopic worldview this represents, is really a pretty good reason to discard this sort of "rational" economic reasoning altogether.
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I can't speak for thaylin, but had I looked at the same times I would have noticed, because I often look for interesting design techniques when I view apple.com (not the actual graphics of the design so much as the site has been used for years as a testbed for interesting CSS and JS techniques), and I have certainly noticed that their front page has for some time been viewport-dependent; but it has not used the same implementation that it does on the UK version (it's been the way it is on the US version), and I would notice that change.
This validates all extremism (B) by claiming that it must have had a valid complaint (A).
Not that it must but that it does. That doesn't validate anything, it addresses reality rather than ignoring it.
What violent extremist movement exists today that does not have a public, democratic, social, economic or otherwise legitimate way of addressing its concerns?
Given al Qaeda's foundation in wahabism, centered in the Arabian peninsula and expanding into south-central Asia and northern Africa, the dearth of democratic institutions is pretty relevant. For that matter, the fact that no targets of US foreign policy have any input into the policy underscores that. This is still not to justify the extremism, but rather to point out that other forms of input are lacking, broken, or compromised.
That said, I'll reiterate that the concerns are worth addressing on their own merits and that it's a positive side-effect that it would undermine the support climate for the violent extremist reactions.
Thanks? Maybe you can say how I've moved off the goal of addressing terrorism, the actual topic I responded to.
Man, that Prophet was very forward-thinking, to be able to foster a context for violent extremism 12 centuries later.
The point is that extremism is not a necessary consequence of their complaint. There are other ways.
It's not a necessary consequence, but the complaint is a necessary precursor! Violent extremism, as a phenomenon, requires a sea in which to swim.
I would rather encourage good behavior than give credence to bad behavior, because by acknowledging legitimacy to bad behavior, you encourage more of it.
It's not giving credence to bad behavior. It's addressing real problems that already need to be addressed. As a positive side-effect, it provides much less of a foundation for those violent extremists to rally people.
I don't know why you're obsessed with this. Of course they chose. I want to discourage that choice. You want to punish it. I would rather eliminate the hydra than fight it as it spawns new heads. To resist that is just stubborn self-destruction.
1. Not everyone becomes an extremist, because there are other ways of expressing discontent or changing policy.
But the violent extremists are the problem in the context of the discussion, and the context of your comment which I responded to. All of your options were for "the terrorists", not for people taking other directions with their discontent. And those people, I think we'd agree, are not who we want to stifle.
2. You assume they have no choice in the matter, and that our acts manipulate them directly.
How do you figure? I assume they exist, and that we want to solve the problem rather than not.
This seems to be the type of permissiveness that rewards bad behavior and ignores good. If you're worried about bad things happening in politics, find the people who are doing good and get them into power.
Insofar as I agree that that kind of meddling is even appropriate, it's worth noting that those people who represent our interests commonly complain that the conditions that inspire people to become and support violent extremists are a serious detriment to their efforts.
By encouraging us to see the choice to become an extremist as normal, you are encouraging the devolution of politics into more conflict and terrorism.
I'm encouraging no such thing. I'm pointing out that people don't become violent for no reason, and that it's worth addressing those reasons to undermine the choice to become violent. Let's never mind that only one option on your list is not violent and extreme and you dismiss it out of hand.
4. Determine the conditions that inspire people to become—or, more importantly, support—violent extremists who threaten us and our values, and mitigate or eliminate those conditions.
Most people have the good sense to support that option, especially in recognizing that those conditions themselves fundamentally threaten our values as well, if it's presented as an option. It's so far from the dominant discourse that we end up facing the false choice you've presented.
Technology pricing usually declines over the top of the curve of that technology's widespread usefulness, it's not unique to Apple's supply chain. Apple is usually pretty aggressive about using high-end components in its high-end models, then aggressive about pushing them downmarket in a generation or two (displays are a great example here; see the iPod touch gaining the same screen as the iPhone). They can only do this by taking advantage of declining cost as economies of scale improve and cutting edge features progress. The retail price rarely declines, but neither do margins increase substantially; instead, they regularly cycle through new/improved parts to justify the same prices and margins. And again, it's not so unique, it's fairly common for consumer products. The only reason it's not as common in the computer industry is that the OEM model favors low-margin-high-volume strategies over other kinds of differentiation.
this meme that the rich just want to steal from the poor only works on the stupid
"Poor" and "rich" are not finite states. The wealth divide has been increasing at a pretty incredible clip. That doesn't happen spontaneously, it's a consequence of policy... set by the rich and powerful.
The voting system has more features than who appears on a ballot. Appearing on a ballot doesn't overcome the spoiler effect: less established parties are recursively seen as not viable and then can't establish viability. It's a predictable effect of "first past the post" voting systems.
Let me paraphrase, as an analogy, what you've given me.
"The Bible explains everything you need to know about sexual morality."
What does it explain? Can you give me a reason to consider the Bible a sexual morality reference? There's oodles of books out there competing for my attention. What is the content I'm supposed to be motivated to go look at? Do you have an outline or even a few quotes?
Incidentally, I've continued to reply because I'm genuinely interested in the subject. Why are you so determined not to sell me on this, and so condescendingly at that? I've given you many opportunities.
You keep saying it addresses certain subject matter, but you haven't specified any of its content.
You haven't given me any reason to pursue the book. You've said it has some stuff in it but not even a hint as to what any of that stuff might be.
Why would I buy a book without any substantive comment on what I might expect to find in it? Is it really so involved that you can't provide a short synopsis that would help me understand your point? I think I'm being pretty generous by inviting you twice now to state what you want me to take away from your comment.
Well, you didn't give me a lot of substance, so I really can only respond to this:
Cats are almost certainly not sentient nor conscious in the same way people are.
No, of course not. And human children aren't even sentient nor conscious in the same way that human adults are. I didn't say it's the same.
Uh, he's not talking about body language and sub-verbal communication. We're talking actual spoken language.
Mewing is verbal.
And unless your cat can shoot lighting bolts, it's not an accurate analogy to start with.
I didn't have any comment on the analogy, just on the point about sentience.
Well I won't claim you can't judge their emotion or communicate, because you can to a limited extent. The mistake you're making is Projecting your understanding of an actual Feline onto an imaginary being because it looks similar to a real life cat. It's not a cat, it's made up and whatever the creator says they like, they like, and you're wrong if you try to claim otherwise because it's not your invention.
I'm not doing anything of the sort. Like I said, I had no comment on the analogy.
The savvy part is the fact of manipulating the media, not the way it's done.
The last time I had a conversation with my cat is this evening. If you mean direct, two-way, verbal communication, it was this morning. Her food bowl was empty, which she told me, by mewing and physically showing me what she was mewing about. She free-feeds, and sometimes it isn't empty, and she doesn't typically mew and go to her food bowl when it's not empty; when she does, something else is wrong and she knows that is a way to prompt attention.
Generally, the response I get to these sorts of scenarios is that I'm projecting and I can't adequately judge a non-human animal's attention without human language (which, by the way, begs the question). But this sort of reasoning easily devolves all the way to cogito ergo sum: nothing can be truly known but what's in your mind. What a hopelessly chaotic worldview. My cat and I communicate, sometimes with mistakes just as with human-human communication. But it shows an enormous lack of experience or empathy to believe that non-human animal sentience doesn't exist.
the pokemon as presented in the cartoon series aren't even animals - they are sentient and even able to directly communicate with humans.
So are animals.
Except that's obviously a pick-one list. It can't be "retarded" to successfully manipulate "retarded" media. Either the media manipulation is successful—and the effort is savvy—or it fails—and the media is savvy.
So, you're actually saying that if you introduce toll lanes, the demand for those lanes will fall... and the people who previously had that demand will just vanish? Or will they just use the (now more congested) toll-free lanes? Demand for the good whose price increased may fall, but unless you impose tolls on all of the lanes (and then all of the alternate routes), you're just moving the congestion around, almost certainly non-optimally. The only way to actually reduce congestion would be to eliminate alternate routes for those who can't or won't pay the tolls. Which, considering the sort of oligarchic, myopic worldview this represents, is really a pretty good reason to discard this sort of "rational" economic reasoning altogether.
If you really don't believe that programming is math, what exactly do you think that a processor does with those "words"?
Wow thanks.
That sounds pretty good, can you post the recipe?