Um, I agree, but with a DIFFERENT angle. *IF* the U.S. is hanging on to 'control' of the Internet for some valid reason (other than some perverse pride), and *IF* having this 'control' is really a national security issue, then what will it cost the U.S. *NOT* to convert A.S.A.P. ??? The only reason that the U.S. is in some kind of 'control', is because it STARTED there. The ARPANET, then NFSNET were the beginnings. If some European countries, or China, create a widespread and highly used IPv6 infrastructure, then this 'control' will move across the sea. Period. I have no idea what this 'control' the U.S. has really *is*, nor do I know how 'important' it really is (and to whom), but whomever creates 'it' usually 'controls' it. If there is something to this 'control', and not having every decision digress into "committee debate", where EVERYTHING is agrued about ad-nauseum, then the U.S. had better act damned quick. If, as some very bright people I know say, it really doesn't matter, then so be it. I personally think that any move to take this 'control' completely out of the hands of 'techies' is a mistake.
I agree it is an impossible scenario, but not exactly for the reasons you state. This guy was talking about the WWW. NOT the Internet. I, and a LOT of folks I know were using the Internet (ARPANet?) in 1986. I, and many folks like me (I am NOT a pioneer) were transferring their latest revisions to 'cool' code around via UUCP. It was SLOW, but it worked. I don't think that Microsoft had yet come up with the AVI file format, so TV & Movies were not threatened (yet), but ANY code was up for grabs. In 1992, NeXT was already out there, and sending a FAX was as simple as creating & sending an email. Smart folks were already depending less on the phone. [Like the CIA, and MANY stock trading companies.]
Interesting take. I would bet that something very much like the WWW would have come about. Sir Berners-Lee may not have thought of it, but someone would have. In 1992 we were PRIMED for 'a better way'. Unmoderated 'News' already sucked. The moderated groups would have been threatened if the content of the 'alt' groups tried to move there. R.A.D. was already a concept. The foundations (or stepping stones) of 'hypertext' were already there. Sir Berners-Lee did not invent (like Copernicus), so much as brilliantly put together (like Einstein) the WWW. It would have taken a little longer, and would probably be noticeably different, but the end result would have been very close. And you can forget about the Big Boys coming up with this concept. the Internet, such as it was, was not attractive to most companies. The concept of 'sharing' was not really in the minds of 'the common folk'. It would take a CERN, NCSA, PARC, Bell Labs, or IBM research to even think in that directon. And they all were, more or less, at that time.
I agree. This 'Dvorak thing' is total flamebait. I think he's probably up for a raise, and needed to prove (# of hits on his page) he still 'has it'. OR, OSTG is looking to impress someone with how much influence it has. As in: "See how much interest we can generate in your product ?".
I WAS ignoring this, but I guess I, too, got hooked and HAD to say SOMETHING.:>D ==
First of all, my replying HERE is not a reflection on 'GreatDrok' ! It's just a good place to stick my 2 cents.
In the OLD days, a shingle and word of mouth were 'advertizing'. Then came newspapers & 'fliers'. With the advent of electronics (Radio), they had a 'Good Idea' and said "lets get help paying for our entertainment, let's sell air time to companies with products". So, since the early 1900's, this seemed like a good idea. THEN someone demonstrated that this time could be used to sell something 'new'. Something that people could not know they 'wanted'. [Creating a need, as it were.] The problem (IMHO) is that 'thinking outside the box' is another marketing ploy. VERY few can to it. Advertizing has become a RIGHT, not a METHOD (see: Canter & Seigel). Those fine folks demonstrated that you could NOT stop (then) forced advertizing. THAT too has, somehow, become a RIGHT. I agree with the folks here that say "block the ads, let it run it's course". Unfortunately, the people who agree with me (us) are VERY VERY few. Remember, most folks are WindBlows users, and while some don't LIKE the ads, they probably don't know there is an option. I think that 'evolution', from the viewpoint of the 'soon-to-be-extinct' probably looks like a conspiracy rather than what it is. We will all have to endure an era of 'high discomfort' while evolution takes us past this 'forced advertizing' era. UNLESS, of course, they use their AD money and buy the legislation they need. As has been said before, "The common man won't STAND for that !". But they WILL sit for it. [The T-Rex couldn't 'buy-off' the asteroid !!]
He-He ! I haven't gone to a movie since the original X-Men. I went, I saw all the commercials I had to PAY to see, and I vowed NEVER, EVER, to go again. I also return, for a refund, any DVD that has commercials on it where I'm forced to watch them.
Take a trip to the library. Look through the Popular Science magazines from 1967 && 1968. In one of the issues (I no longer remember which), there are details on how to build a 'robo-mower'. They called it something else, of course. It uses the same type of "fence" mentioned by 'zogger' previously, and when it finds the 'fence' it turns to mow in a different direction.:>D
HA ! You mention BYTE. I have the BYTE magazines that introduced the IBM PC, and the Macintosh. Yes, Those were amazing days. The first affordable 'windows' machine and so SMALL !! Steve jobs was raised to Diety status for his vision ! I'm so glad that he and his visions survive.
I agree with this sentiment. Don't forget, By 2019, there will be MILLIONS less folks in the workforce. The Baby-Boomers will (almost) all be retired by then !
I am NOT arguing here. I'm wondering how good modern compilers really are. Years ago, I was programming in VAX assembler, and in C on a VAX. The Vax C compiler, with "max" optimization, could beat me 7 out of 8 times. Later, on a Sun, using SunOS 4.03, I could easily "beat" that compiler. The GNU C compiler has been, for quite a few years, one of the best ever written. I doubt that we could write better assembler than it can, now. With RISC chips, Super-Scalar, etc., I doubt any human could out-perform a "top notch" compiler today.
Actually, if you read this closely, and have read all the OTHER "stuff" put out by Intel on this processor, you'll recognize this article as being REALLY close to one published about five years ago, BY INTEL !! Plus, it's "technical" if your in marketing, but not really technical at all, if your job is on the tech side of life ! I am disheartened that I can find such tripe on Slashdot.
P.S.: The IA64 is VLIW, don't let the pukes who MARKET the thing FOOL you. EPIC == VLIW.
NAH !! Feeding to the fungus is TOO pedestrian. Give them a spacesuit with 28 hours of air, a Xena sized sheild covered with anti-ablatement tiles,
and push them out of the airlock and see if they get back to earth.
THAT would be surviving !:>D
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Good points, but you forgot the main crippling part of that tax bill: the IRS changed the way it looked at self-employment. Giving the BIG consulting firms the "goods" while screwing MOST if the independents. This had a HUGE effect on the people who were looking to consulting as a career. And allowed, for a while, the BIG firms to dictate prices, policy, and to determine how badly they would abuse their employees.
I hate to side with someone who's given up, but we tried like hell to stop the original spammers on Usenet. The infamous "Green Card" Lawyer fucks. [Talk about someone who should have been taken out back and summarily shot !] [Circa 1992, we did "win", in a limited fashion.] The "fixing" of Usenet, and trying to maintain a peoples internet, is a 480 hour per day job. I would like to have a life. JB --
The release wasn't that important to me, since I CAN download it for my server, but what surprised be was that some packages (enlightenment for one) were actually not on the CD !
Well, since this is 1999, it's INTUITIVELY OBVIOUS that the coder, the person/organization that prompted him/her to write the code, the distributor and or "seller", the advertizing agencies, if any, that promulgated this horrific piece of DANGEROUS software on the unsuspecting public, and everyone who uses said software without mishap (they create a totally false feeling of safety).
In other times, and other places, the asshole who mis-uses the software, tool, or "thing", is the culprit.
Y'all have GOT to pay MORE attention ! This bill was introduced on 07/26/99, and reported on 08/02/99.
Also, it doesn't JUST tax Internet sales, It takes the SAME piece from ALL interstate commerce. Order by phone, by mail, by internet, by carrier pigeon, etc..
Like I've always heard: There's not much we'll stand for, but we'll SIT through anything !
I was wondering if anyone would catch this. Typical M$, can't even get the basics straight. Berkeley System Distribution. Originally. The BSDI folks have kinda plagiarized the initials, just to add a little confuse factor. Guy actually goes to the limit and is 1000% correct. Is he a history major ??:>D
Yup, I agree that this is NOT new. It's the next step in the beFUDdlement process. OSF was one example. Designed to serve as a short-term "monkeywrench" to slow down whoever has the initiative. [Last time Sun & AT&T, this time Linux.]
IT bores me to F**KING TEARS ! The only saving grace is thet Linus will NOT attempt to insist that the world pay him royalties. AT&T did, and the answer (OSF) worked JUST ENOUGH to stop AT&T SVR4 (and Solaris) from domination.
This time there is no single entity that will benefit from Linux. This time, methinks, the be-FUDdlement will NOT work. The "ultimate" UNIX that these folks are planning will fall FLAT ON IT'S FACE.
It's the same old "thought police" shit. Since We're all free to say whatever we want, this causes TERRIBLE concern to quite a few people in the U.S.
The MAIN thing is to restrict the First Amendment down to microscopic size. This will allow the people who "know what's good for us" to "GUIDE" us in the correct way of speaking. (Remember Politically Correct THOUGHT ??)
Sorry,but I'm FAR more radical than they are. Ship anyone who would screw with the Bill of Rights to Siberia.
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Um, I agree, but with a DIFFERENT angle. *IF* the U.S. is hanging on to 'control' of the Internet for some valid reason (other than some perverse pride), and *IF* having this 'control' is really a national security issue, then what will it cost the U.S. *NOT* to convert A.S.A.P. ??? The only reason that the U.S. is in some kind of 'control', is because it STARTED there. The ARPANET, then NFSNET were the beginnings. If some European countries, or China, create a widespread and highly used IPv6 infrastructure, then this 'control' will move across the sea. Period. I have no idea what this 'control' the U.S. has really *is*, nor do I know how 'important' it really is (and to whom), but whomever creates 'it' usually 'controls' it. If there is something to this 'control', and not having every decision digress into "committee debate", where EVERYTHING is agrued about ad-nauseum, then the U.S. had better act damned quick. If, as some very bright people I know say, it really doesn't matter, then so be it. I personally think that any move to take this 'control' completely out of the hands of 'techies' is a mistake.
I agree it is an impossible scenario, but not exactly for the reasons you state. This guy was talking about the WWW. NOT the Internet. I, and a LOT of folks I know were using the Internet (ARPANet?) in 1986. I, and many folks like me (I am NOT a pioneer) were transferring their latest revisions to 'cool' code around via UUCP. It was SLOW, but it worked. I don't think that Microsoft had yet come up with the AVI file format, so TV & Movies were not threatened (yet), but ANY code was up for grabs. In 1992, NeXT was already out there, and sending a FAX was as simple as creating & sending an email. Smart folks were already depending less on the phone. [Like the CIA, and MANY stock trading companies.]
Interesting take. I would bet that something very much like the WWW would have come about. Sir Berners-Lee may not have thought of it, but someone would have. In 1992 we were PRIMED for 'a better way'. Unmoderated 'News' already sucked. The moderated groups would have been threatened if the content of the 'alt' groups tried to move there. R.A.D. was already a concept. The foundations (or stepping stones) of 'hypertext' were already there. Sir Berners-Lee did not invent (like Copernicus), so much as brilliantly put together (like Einstein) the WWW. It would have taken a little longer, and would probably be noticeably different, but the end result would have been very close. And you can forget about the Big Boys coming up with this concept. the Internet, such as it was, was not attractive to most companies. The concept of 'sharing' was not really in the minds of 'the common folk'. It would take a CERN, NCSA, PARC, Bell Labs, or IBM research to even think in that directon. And they all were, more or less, at that time.
So I don't really agree with him on this.
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I agree. This 'Dvorak thing' is total flamebait. I think he's probably up for a raise, and needed to prove (# of hits on his page) he still 'has it'. OR, OSTG is looking to impress someone with how much influence it has. As in: "See how much interest we can generate in your product ?".
:>D
I WAS ignoring this, but I guess I, too, got hooked and HAD to say SOMETHING.
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You forget. There is a surcharge on every blank cassette sold that goes DIRECTLY to the media moguls.
First of all, my replying HERE is not a reflection on 'GreatDrok' ! It's just a good place to stick my 2 cents.
In the OLD days, a shingle and word of mouth were 'advertizing'. Then came newspapers & 'fliers'. With the advent of electronics (Radio), they had a 'Good Idea' and said "lets get help paying for our entertainment, let's sell air time to companies with products".
So, since the early 1900's, this seemed like a good idea. THEN someone demonstrated that this time could be used to sell something 'new'. Something that people could not know they 'wanted'. [Creating a need, as it were.]
The problem (IMHO) is that 'thinking outside the box' is another marketing ploy. VERY few can to it. Advertizing has become a RIGHT, not a METHOD (see: Canter & Seigel). Those fine folks demonstrated that you could NOT stop (then) forced advertizing. THAT too has, somehow, become a RIGHT.
I agree with the folks here that say "block the ads, let it run it's course". Unfortunately, the people who agree with me (us) are VERY VERY few. Remember, most folks are WindBlows users, and while some don't LIKE the ads, they probably don't know there is an option. I think that 'evolution', from the viewpoint of the 'soon-to-be-extinct' probably looks like a conspiracy rather than what it is.
We will all have to endure an era of 'high discomfort' while evolution takes us past this 'forced advertizing' era. UNLESS, of course, they use their AD money and buy the legislation they need. As has been said before, "The common man won't STAND for that !". But they WILL sit for it. [The T-Rex couldn't 'buy-off' the asteroid !!]
He-He ! I haven't gone to a movie since the original X-Men. I went, I saw all the commercials I had to PAY to see, and I vowed NEVER, EVER, to go again. I also return, for a refund, any DVD that has commercials on it where I'm forced to watch them.
Take a trip to the library. Look through the Popular Science magazines from 1967 && 1968. In one of the issues (I no longer remember which), there are details on how to build a 'robo-mower'. They called it something else, of course. It uses the same type of "fence" mentioned by 'zogger' previously, and when it finds the 'fence' it turns to mow in a different direction. :>D
HA ! You mention BYTE. I have the BYTE magazines that introduced the IBM PC, and the Macintosh. Yes, Those were amazing days. The first affordable 'windows' machine and so SMALL !! Steve jobs was raised to Diety status for his vision ! I'm so glad that he and his visions survive.
I agree with this sentiment. Don't forget, By 2019, there will be MILLIONS less folks in the workforce. The Baby-Boomers will (almost) all be retired by then !
The Lawyers have to go after the ISP's.
They are the only ones involved that
actually may have some money.
SOMEONE has to pay for their BMW's !
So ? Have you returnrd it for a refund yet ????
--
I am NOT arguing here. I'm wondering how good modern compilers really are. Years ago, I was programming in VAX assembler, and in C on a VAX. The Vax C compiler, with "max" optimization, could beat me 7 out of 8 times. Later, on a Sun, using SunOS 4.03, I could easily "beat" that compiler. The GNU C compiler has been, for quite a few years, one of the best ever written. I doubt that we could write better assembler than it can, now. With RISC chips, Super-Scalar, etc., I doubt any human could out-perform a "top notch" compiler today.
Actually, if you read this closely, and have read all the OTHER "stuff" put out by Intel on this processor, you'll recognize this article as being REALLY close to one published about five years ago, BY INTEL !! Plus, it's "technical" if your in marketing, but not really technical at all, if your job is on the tech side of life ! I am disheartened that I can find such tripe on Slashdot.
P.S.: The IA64 is VLIW, don't let the pukes who MARKET the thing FOOL you. EPIC == VLIW.
NAH !! Feeding to the fungus is TOO pedestrian. Give them a spacesuit with 28 hours of air, a Xena sized sheild covered with anti-ablatement tiles,
:>D
and push them out of the airlock and see if they get back to earth.
THAT would be surviving !
Good points, but you forgot the main crippling part of that tax bill: the IRS changed the way it looked at self-employment. Giving the BIG consulting firms the "goods" while screwing MOST if the independents. This had a HUGE effect on the people who were looking to consulting as a career. And allowed, for a while, the BIG firms to dictate prices, policy, and to determine how badly they would abuse their employees.
I hate to side with someone who's given up, but we tried like hell to stop the original spammers on Usenet. The infamous "Green Card" Lawyer fucks. [Talk about someone who should have been taken out back and summarily shot !] [Circa 1992, we did "win", in a limited fashion.] The "fixing" of Usenet, and trying to maintain a peoples internet, is a 480 hour per day job. I would like to have a life.
JB
--
Of COURSE they do. They're into PROFIT,
not really providing any SERVICE.
It should all be nationalized, and
guaranteed access for everyone.
The release wasn't that important to me, since I CAN download it for my server, but what surprised be was that some packages (enlightenment for one) were actually not on the CD !
Well, since this is 1999, it's INTUITIVELY OBVIOUS that the coder, the person/organization that prompted him/her to write the code, the distributor and or "seller", the advertizing agencies, if any, that promulgated this horrific piece of DANGEROUS software on the unsuspecting public, and everyone who uses said software without mishap (they create a totally false feeling of safety).
In other times, and other places, the asshole who mis-uses the software, tool, or "thing", is the culprit.
GEEEZ, Folks !!
Y'all have GOT to pay MORE attention !
This bill was introduced on 07/26/99,
and reported on 08/02/99.
Also, it doesn't JUST tax Internet sales,
It takes the SAME piece from ALL
interstate commerce. Order by phone,
by mail, by internet, by carrier pigeon,
etc..
Like I've always heard: There's not much
we'll stand for, but we'll SIT through anything !
I was wondering if anyone would catch this. Typical M$, can't even get the basics straight. :>D
Berkeley System Distribution. Originally.
The BSDI folks have kinda plagiarized the initials, just to add a little confuse factor.
Guy actually goes to the limit and is 1000% correct. Is he a history major ??
Yup, I agree that this is NOT new.
It's the next step in the beFUDdlement
process. OSF was one example. Designed
to serve as a short-term "monkeywrench"
to slow down whoever has the initiative.
[Last time Sun & AT&T, this time Linux.]
IT bores me to F**KING TEARS ! The only
saving grace is thet Linus will NOT
attempt to insist that the world pay him
royalties. AT&T did, and the answer (OSF)
worked JUST ENOUGH to stop AT&T SVR4
(and Solaris) from domination.
This time there is no single entity that will
benefit from Linux. This time, methinks,
the be-FUDdlement will NOT work. The
"ultimate" UNIX that these folks are planning
will fall FLAT ON IT'S FACE.
These BIG GUNS will wind up shooting themselves.
JB
--
It's the same old "thought police" shit.
Since We're all free to say whatever we
want, this causes TERRIBLE concern to
quite a few people in the U.S.
The MAIN thing is to restrict the First Amendment
down to microscopic size. This will allow
the people who "know what's good for us" to
"GUIDE" us in the correct way of speaking.
(Remember Politically Correct THOUGHT ??)
Sorry,but I'm FAR more radical than they are.
Ship anyone who would screw with the Bill of Rights to Siberia.
JimB
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