People also tend to forget that Apple does legally avoid taxes where possible, but they are the #1 or #2 tax payer in the US. No other organization or person pays more or much more since over the past few years occasionally XOM goes a bit higher.
However , they still have to do business in the US so they would be subject to US laws wherever they went and they would still have to pay US taxes on all of their US business...
Apple will comply with whatever the last appeal says. That is about two years off. There is strong opposition to requiring back doors in the US congress so I am not sure things are quite as simple as you lay make them out to be.
So to be clear. If the government came to you and ask you to build them something you were morally opposed to building (not giving them something you already had). you would do so without question?
I had this thought too. Seems like this could take years to write and test properly if you wanted to make sure it would not accidentally wipe the phone. The people that do this type of high risk programming must have to work in like teams of 6 or 8 and cost a minimum of 1000 an hour.
Indeed the police can do whatever they want with government resources to get data off the phone. They just can't force an unwilling third party to participate. That is clearly not the intent of the all writs act. The purpose of the act is as a mechanism to compel people (or fictitious people) to comply with the law. The purpose is not to make new laws or compel people to do the states job for them.
Corporations do have first amendment rights, code is speech and the government can't compel speech. This should be easy for any sensible court to toss out.
Their is a massive difference between cooperating and being compelled to write something you don't want to write. Code is In fact protected speech (read Apple's brief they cite several cases). The government can't compel anyone to create something for them.
Apple will comply when the Supreme Court rules and refuses to hear any further appeals. If you think there is any chance of them complying before that you have not been paying attention.
I think Cook would love nothing more than for a federal Marshall to show up and arrest him. At the point the government overreaching will be complete and they will have already won. Fairly good chance whatever judge issuing that warrant would shortly be removed by congress.
They have unlocked an encrypted 5C or higher lock d with a passcode for the Chinese government? I doubt it since, you know, it has never actually been done before. If you mean complied with a court order (or similar) to retrieve information they actually have access to, of course they have. Just like they have done countless times for the US government.
People that don't see the difference in the FBI conscripting them to write new code on the governments behalf should sue their first social studies teacher.
You realize almost no one cares about the privacy issue surrounding this one phone. While slippery slopes seldom are, legal precedent and dramatically increasing the scope of the all writs act is something we should all be concerned of. Why should Apple be compelled to right special software for the government? Ignore everything else around this case and all the noise and try to answer just that one question. Forget about terrorism and encryption. Just ask yourself, should the government be allowed to compel a private company to write programs for them.
You should try getting money from them when they Owe a credit. They asked for and received the same documentation once every 90 days for over a year before they finally paid. I always faxed them the exact same documentation not a single thing changed in the filing from day one to day 400, but they did finally pay.
Apple is the largest US Tax payer but not the largest US employer so it seems difficult to imagine they are paying less for the government services they are using than any other company. In fact, it seems very likely they are paying considerably more for the services they are using than any other entity in the US.
Can you give one reason why a company should pay taxes they do not owe? Congress is fully capable of changing the law if they think corporations should owe more taxes. It is silly to expect anyone to pay more taxes because you think it is "right".
Apple pays more in Taxes than any other corporation in America. When you consider they are no where near the largest employer in the US, their per capita tax contribution is much higher than any other company. What services are they not paying for already?
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People also tend to forget that Apple does legally avoid taxes where possible, but they are the #1 or #2 tax payer in the US. No other organization or person pays more or much more since over the past few years occasionally XOM goes a bit higher.
However , they still have to do business in the US so they would be subject to US laws wherever they went and they would still have to pay US taxes on all of their US business...
Awesome...
Apple will comply with whatever the last appeal says. That is about two years off. There is strong opposition to requiring back doors in the US congress so I am not sure things are quite as simple as you lay make them out to be.
And then trust the FBI not to give it away..
They also have to all the code to be entered digitally and remove the delays. They also have to do all this while not accidentally wiping the phone...
So to be clear. If the government came to you and ask you to build them something you were morally opposed to building (not giving them something you already had). you would do so without question?
I had this thought too. Seems like this could take years to write and test properly if you wanted to make sure it would not accidentally wipe the phone. The people that do this type of high risk programming must have to work in like teams of 6 or 8 and cost a minimum of 1000 an hour.
Indeed the police can do whatever they want with government resources to get data off the phone. They just can't force an unwilling third party to participate. That is clearly not the intent of the all writs act. The purpose of the act is as a mechanism to compel people (or fictitious people) to comply with the law. The purpose is not to make new laws or compel people to do the states job for them.
Corporations do have first amendment rights, code is speech and the government can't compel speech. This should be easy for any sensible court to toss out.
Their is a massive difference between cooperating and being compelled to write something you don't want to write. Code is In fact protected speech (read Apple's brief they cite several cases). The government can't compel anyone to create something for them.
An official that probably doesn't have tha authority to actually cause that to happen. Maybe for their department, but really Apple will survive.
Apple will comply when the Supreme Court rules and refuses to hear any further appeals. If you think there is any chance of them complying before that you have not been paying attention.
I think Cook would love nothing more than for a federal Marshall to show up and arrest him. At the point the government overreaching will be complete and they will have already won. Fairly good chance whatever judge issuing that warrant would shortly be removed by congress.
They have unlocked an encrypted 5C or higher lock d with a passcode for the Chinese government? I doubt it since, you know, it has never actually been done before. If you mean complied with a court order (or similar) to retrieve information they actually have access to, of course they have. Just like they have done countless times for the US government.
People that don't see the difference in the FBI conscripting them to write new code on the governments behalf should sue their first social studies teacher.
You realize almost no one cares about the privacy issue surrounding this one phone. While slippery slopes seldom are, legal precedent and dramatically increasing the scope of the all writs act is something we should all be concerned of. Why should Apple be compelled to right special software for the government? Ignore everything else around this case and all the noise and try to answer just that one question. Forget about terrorism and encryption. Just ask yourself, should the government be allowed to compel a private company to write programs for them.
Priced for massive growth? Apple hasn't been priced for massive growth for more than 10 years...
There are states that use a computer to pick their numbers and not balls pushed out by a machine?
Why would the US deport its single largest taxpayer?
You should try getting money from them when they Owe a credit. They asked for and received the same documentation once every 90 days for over a year before they finally paid. I always faxed them the exact same documentation not a single thing changed in the filing from day one to day 400, but they did finally pay.
And Apple pays more in US taxes than any other entity...
Apple is the largest US Tax payer but not the largest US employer so it seems difficult to imagine they are paying less for the government services they are using than any other company. In fact, it seems very likely they are paying considerably more for the services they are using than any other entity in the US.
You are correct. However, a similar google search will not turn up any arguments for why corporations should pay taxes they do not owe.
Can you give one reason why a company should pay taxes they do not owe? Congress is fully capable of changing the law if they think corporations should owe more taxes. It is silly to expect anyone to pay more taxes because you think it is "right".
That seems like a question for the countries where the profits were earned...
He didn't say Taxes are political BS. He said people saying Apple doesn't pay taxes is political BS. Apple is the largest tax payer in the US.
Apple pays more in Taxes than any other corporation in America. When you consider they are no where near the largest employer in the US, their per capita tax contribution is much higher than any other company. What services are they not paying for already?