The global economy is undergoing a general meltdown, but you're actually sitting there rejoicing at the fall of MSFT (along with everything else) and using it as proof that they're finally dying?
GOOG is also down something fierce, should I start screaming to the four winds that they're a "stumbling zombie"? What about IBM, down to 4-year lows? Are they dying too?
Seems to me that whatever Microsoft introduces or announces is met with criticism and derision simply because people are predisposed to do that, especially around here.
I seem to remember C# and the.NET framework were met with criticism and derision eight years ago (I'm not a developer but I've followed the dev space for years because my job used to involve dealing with those technologies anyway). Not much criticism and derision now, is there?
More to the point, where exactly is all this criticism and derision coming from? Microsoft has a *huge* developer base that doesn't exactly hang around Slashdot and Digg. Are you sure all this negativity is not just the feedback loop many people around here are stuck in? I try to get my tech news from many places, with Slashdot being just one of them. The usual negative tends to temper the usual hyped positive of other venues.
As someone who runs data centers, I was very excited about Server 2008, which was criticized even before it was released here and elsewhere. And it was hyped by the Microsoft-friendly tech rags. In the end, I had to actually use it to make up my mind. If I went by what Slashdot or C|Net tell me about technology, I'd still be using an abacus.
You can use as many florid phrases as you like, but most people outside your own circle of friends view Microsoft as just another tech company from which to buy products (or in some cases avoid them). And hardly one that is dying (unless you're twitter, of course).
It should be noted that "Odder", "GNUChop" and "deadzero" are all the same person, in case that wasn't apparent from the links to his journal and the exact same writing style. Another one of those "lots of people agree with me" threads can be seen here, and more information on the ongoing gaming of Slashdot can be seen here. In this case, twitter probably forgot to switch accounts on the second reply, which is not new.
twitter has fourteen accounts now (more of which will probably post on this thread), all of which post at -1 for trolling and shilling.
You already posted and shilled your own comments with three accounts, this is the fourth. Is it too much to ask to limit yourself to one account per article? You know, the way most of us do.
This captures the essence of what I would have said to the submitter. Patents are a double-edged sword and they hurt more than they help, in the long run.
Mod parent up. Way up. This is typical "advocacy": Write pithy articles wondering what in the world are your competitors going to do now that you've allegedly cleaned their clock. Sun isn't going anywhere. Solaris is in many, many ways much more advanced, stable and mature than Linux. The closest thing to Solaris in the OSS world is probably OpenBSD.
More importantly, in the world of PHBs, Solaris is a brand name, while Linux is not. RedHat has been working hard to change that, but they have a ways to go still. Trust me, out there in the real world Linux is not the true heir to the UNIX legacy. That may change in time, but Sun would have to continue making dumb mistakes for quite a while.
Yes, and that's also the reason why there should be a space program. Sadly though, many people nowadays don't see it that way. They think that reaching for the stars is "impractical" when we have so many problems here at ground level. But money spent this way, even in military endeavors, is *never* wasted. Eventually it reaches everyone in some way or another.
Please don't use that "if you're not with us you're against us" line with me. I'm not young enough to be impressed by that kind of dumbness.
The issue here is not censorship, which is real enough, the insistence on using the same incorrect arguments to support a point. Surely even you see the value in making a valid case if you're arguing about a topic like that. So many of his so-called arguments have been debunked and invalidated time and again, and he just keeps trotting them out even though he knows he's wrong. And besides, I'm just returning the favor.
His use of truthout.org as supporting argument on 'net censorship is wrong, period. Wrong example, wrong test case, wrong everything. He just likes it because he gets to do the "M$" dance along with it, since he's sure it involves some alleged Microsoft shenanigans. Just like his "Microsoft sabotaged ACPI" line, and just about everything else.
He posts something I think is wrong, I post a response. That's how it works. So, feel free to point out where I said censorship is not a problem, where I'm "soiling" my hands or where I'm waging any kind of war. Feel free to point out how his cesspool link farm of a journal is somehow imbued with more validity than the proof I provided in my post. I can't believe with any amount of intelligence and self-respect would reduce themselves to the "OMG twitter said so-and-so got censored by M$, therefore it must be true" level.
Otherwise, please run along. Maybe you should splurge and buy subscriptions for *all* his accounts. You know, to fight the "M$ injustice". I hope you don't have to take another job just for that *grin*
- twitter's main account gets sent to karma hell for trolling. - twitter creates another account. - twitter uses said account to shill posts with his main account, bringing attention to them because he's not posting at -1 with the other one. - The approach seems to work, so he creates another account. Then another. Then some more. And more. - Eventually the accounts end up posting at -1 because moderators wise up to what he's doing. - Shake 'n bake.
As to how the accounts are found, believe it or not I've never found one on my own. Most of them were caught in obvious "wow twitter, you are soo cool and I love you" shilling attempts, or were located by other people who recognized the posting style (he consistently misspells the same words, uses the same "M$ windoze" creative spelling, "free software is perfect and everything else should be banned" advocacy and so on). Amusingly enough, he's not even intelligent enough to do that correctly and try to pretend he's someone else.
As to why you should trust me - you shouldn't. Go see the evidence and decide whether or not you think all those accounts belong to the same person.
While I don't necessarily doubt that ISPs are salivating at the pay-per-byte thing, the whole truthout.org thing is a figment of your feverish imagination, fueled mostly by your insane hatred of Microsoft. At the very least you should research your claims before using them in any sort of cuasi-authoritative way.
Go ahead and read through these and then come back and tell me that "M$" or Google or Yahoo or any ISPs are blocking *anything* related to truthout.org at all. And please don't reply to me with your name trolls or sockpuppets.
Online political group Truthout.org is crying foul over Hotmail and AOL blocking its e-mail from reaching subscribers.
But rather than conducting an internal assessment of its e-mail program to find out why it's having delivery troubles at two of the largest providers of e-mail inboxes, the organization's executive director, Marc Ash, is calling on subscribers to pressure the ISPs into delivering their mail.
1. If two large ISPs independently begin blocking mail from a given domain/IP address/network block/etc., then it's usually a pretty good sign that there is an issue with the mail source.
truthout.org email server at IP 38.114.2.39 has been caught up in a widening list of IP space at cogentco.com blocked by spews.org, a widely used blocklist to protect against abuse from spam supporting ISPs.... So, while truthout.org is in no way listed itself as a spammer, the email coming from this IP appears at the moment to be caught up in a widening blocklist of cogentco.com IP space due to their inaction to stop abuse from their network by others.
I saw this story earlier today. While I do go to truthout, I was not a subscriber. So I set up a Hotmail account, subscribed to truthout's newsletter, and immediately received the confirmation email from truthout. No blockage whatsoever.
In reading the comments from readers, there were claims that even emails that had the phrase "truthout.com" somewhere in the mail -- for example, I send you a mail and say "please read this article from truthout.org" -- were also being blocked. I tested this as well several times from several email accounts, both sending to and receiving from the new Hotmail account. It worked perfectly fine every time.
I even clicked on the "email this story link" in a truthout story and sent it to the hotmail account. This, of course, worked fine as well.
Truthout's credibility took a serious hit last year with Jason Leopold's reporting on Karl Rove. It seems they are about to take another. As someone who has seen the Microsoft legal team from the inside, I'd hate to think what they'll do to Marc Ash and truthout.org if these claims aren't removed and an apology issued.
I understand you are not interested in knowing if the person you're replying to is using multiple accounts to game the comment system. I get that. If I ever see you having a conversation with five different "people" who you think are actually five different people, I promise I won't post to warn you.
If you find this troublesome or offensive in any way, Slashdot has a very useful friend/foe system, which you can use to make my posts go away and never see them again. Unfortunately, people who would like to do the same to twitter find it a bit hard to keep track of all his accounts.
Slashdot Mirror
The global economy is undergoing a general meltdown, but you're actually sitting there rejoicing at the fall of MSFT (along with everything else) and using it as proof that they're finally dying?
GOOG is also down something fierce, should I start screaming to the four winds that they're a "stumbling zombie"? What about IBM, down to 4-year lows? Are they dying too?
Seems to me that whatever Microsoft introduces or announces is met with criticism and derision simply because people are predisposed to do that, especially around here.
I seem to remember C# and the .NET framework were met with criticism and derision eight years ago (I'm not a developer but I've followed the dev space for years because my job used to involve dealing with those technologies anyway). Not much criticism and derision now, is there?
More to the point, where exactly is all this criticism and derision coming from? Microsoft has a *huge* developer base that doesn't exactly hang around Slashdot and Digg. Are you sure all this negativity is not just the feedback loop many people around here are stuck in? I try to get my tech news from many places, with Slashdot being just one of them. The usual negative tends to temper the usual hyped positive of other venues.
As someone who runs data centers, I was very excited about Server 2008, which was criticized even before it was released here and elsewhere. And it was hyped by the Microsoft-friendly tech rags. In the end, I had to actually use it to make up my mind. If I went by what Slashdot or C|Net tell me about technology, I'd still be using an abacus.
You can use as many florid phrases as you like, but most people outside your own circle of friends view Microsoft as just another tech company from which to buy products (or in some cases avoid them). And hardly one that is dying (unless you're twitter, of course).
I think he was using the royal 'you', not necessarily saying you posted any of that.
as Mary Queen of Scots found out at the cost of her life
Agreed! Poor Mary should have gone all the way and none of that would have happened.
Oh wait, wrong period.
It should be noted that "Odder", "GNUChop" and "deadzero" are all the same person, in case that wasn't apparent from the links to his journal and the exact same writing style. Another one of those "lots of people agree with me" threads can be seen here, and more information on the ongoing gaming of Slashdot can be seen here. In this case, twitter probably forgot to switch accounts on the second reply, which is not new.
twitter has fourteen accounts now (more of which will probably post on this thread), all of which post at -1 for trolling and shilling.
I assure you I am quite straight. Being married for 24 years will do that to you *grin*
I'm curious (and I don't mean this in any sort of confrontational way), do you really think all these accounts are owned by different people?
Whiteox is not a sockpuppet of twitter. All his accounts except this one have user IDs over 1.2M.
Your stuff is cluttering up the place too.
If that's the case, then I apologize. You can always foe me so you can ignore my posts. The system makes it easy to do that.
14x for twitter, of course. Better get clicking *grin*
It should be noted that this is not dedazo, but a name troll (one of many) created by twitter for that user.
twitter has name trolls and lists for people who don't hink like him.
You've explored this "angle" before. Unfortunately for you, it doesn't work. No matter how many times you insult me.
Probably... this guy is hardly that clever, though *grin*
You already posted and shilled your own comments with three accounts, this is the fourth. Is it too much to ask to limit yourself to one account per article? You know, the way most of us do.
For anyone thinks this "conversation" is a little strange, twitter, "right handed" and "inTheLoo" are the same person.
Hah! Try copying little assembler programs to 8-inch floppies and mailing them out to friends!
Youngins, I tell you.
And now I shall walk on the snow, barefoot. Uphill. Both ways...
You should know that "GNUChop" is the same person you replied to. twitter has fourteen Slashdot accounts.
This captures the essence of what I would have said to the submitter. Patents are a double-edged sword and they hurt more than they help, in the long run.
Visual recognition is actually quite far along now. Just ask Big Brother, seriously.
Mod parent up. Way up. This is typical "advocacy": Write pithy articles wondering what in the world are your competitors going to do now that you've allegedly cleaned their clock. Sun isn't going anywhere. Solaris is in many, many ways much more advanced, stable and mature than Linux. The closest thing to Solaris in the OSS world is probably OpenBSD.
More importantly, in the world of PHBs, Solaris is a brand name, while Linux is not. RedHat has been working hard to change that, but they have a ways to go still. Trust me, out there in the real world Linux is not the true heir to the UNIX legacy. That may change in time, but Sun would have to continue making dumb mistakes for quite a while.
Yes, and that's also the reason why there should be a space program. Sadly though, many people nowadays don't see it that way. They think that reaching for the stars is "impractical" when we have so many problems here at ground level. But money spent this way, even in military endeavors, is *never* wasted. Eventually it reaches everyone in some way or another.
Like... TANG!
(just kidding)
Please don't use that "if you're not with us you're against us" line with me. I'm not young enough to be impressed by that kind of dumbness.
The issue here is not censorship, which is real enough, the insistence on using the same incorrect arguments to support a point. Surely even you see the value in making a valid case if you're arguing about a topic like that. So many of his so-called arguments have been debunked and invalidated time and again, and he just keeps trotting them out even though he knows he's wrong. And besides, I'm just returning the favor.
His use of truthout.org as supporting argument on 'net censorship is wrong, period. Wrong example, wrong test case, wrong everything. He just likes it because he gets to do the "M$" dance along with it, since he's sure it involves some alleged Microsoft shenanigans. Just like his "Microsoft sabotaged ACPI" line, and just about everything else.
He posts something I think is wrong, I post a response. That's how it works. So, feel free to point out where I said censorship is not a problem, where I'm "soiling" my hands or where I'm waging any kind of war. Feel free to point out how his cesspool link farm of a journal is somehow imbued with more validity than the proof I provided in my post. I can't believe with any amount of intelligence and self-respect would reduce themselves to the "OMG twitter said so-and-so got censored by M$, therefore it must be true" level.
Otherwise, please run along. Maybe you should splurge and buy subscriptions for *all* his accounts. You know, to fight the "M$ injustice". I hope you don't have to take another job just for that *grin*
I hope that's not anything like Abercrombie and Fitch...
Well, it works a bit like this:
- twitter's main account gets sent to karma hell for trolling.
- twitter creates another account.
- twitter uses said account to shill posts with his main account, bringing attention to them because he's not posting at -1 with the other one.
- The approach seems to work, so he creates another account. Then another. Then some more. And more.
- Eventually the accounts end up posting at -1 because moderators wise up to what he's doing.
- Shake 'n bake.
As to how the accounts are found, believe it or not I've never found one on my own. Most of them were caught in obvious "wow twitter, you are soo cool and I love you" shilling attempts, or were located by other people who recognized the posting style (he consistently misspells the same words, uses the same "M$ windoze" creative spelling, "free software is perfect and everything else should be banned" advocacy and so on). Amusingly enough, he's not even intelligent enough to do that correctly and try to pretend he's someone else.
As to why you should trust me - you shouldn't. Go see the evidence and decide whether or not you think all those accounts belong to the same person.
The issue is neutrality and censorship
While I don't necessarily doubt that ISPs are salivating at the pay-per-byte thing, the whole truthout.org thing is a figment of your feverish imagination, fueled mostly by your insane hatred of Microsoft. At the very least you should research your claims before using them in any sort of cuasi-authoritative way.
Go ahead and read through these and then come back and tell me that "M$" or Google or Yahoo or any ISPs are blocking *anything* related to truthout.org at all. And please don't reply to me with your name trolls or sockpuppets.
http://directmag.com/disciplines/email/truthout_blocked_censorship/
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@isoc-ny.org/msg00354.html
http://mainsleazespam.com/collateral/truthout_org.html
http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001260.html
I understand you are not interested in knowing if the person you're replying to is using multiple accounts to game the comment system. I get that. If I ever see you having a conversation with five different "people" who you think are actually five different people, I promise I won't post to warn you.
If you find this troublesome or offensive in any way, Slashdot has a very useful friend/foe system, which you can use to make my posts go away and never see them again. Unfortunately, people who would like to do the same to twitter find it a bit hard to keep track of all his accounts.