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The Mobile Internet You'll Be Using In 10 Years
mr sanjeev writes "After being plagued with project overruns and a scaling back of the final system, the US military's next-generation satellite communications network is another step closer to reality, with completion of the payload module for the third and final Advanced Extremely High Frequency (EHF) satellite ... If GPS and remote imaging (think Google Earth) have proven anything, it is that technology initially developed for military purposes, and extremely expensive for initial civil use, will eventually reach the point where it forms part of our daily lives without us ever being conscious of the massive investment to get to that point."
Obviously I didn't read TFA, but does anyone know about the possible speeds on these wireless links? As it stands, wifi is still (in practice) a lot slower and less reliable than even 100 mbit ethernet. It'd be pretty interesting if this new technology could offer reliable gigabit ethernet speeds (or better!) and similar reliability over reasonably long distances (similar to current wifi). But, my instincts tell me that that's just a pipe dream.
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Did Al Gore invent this?
It would be much better to use a small fleet of high altitude autonomous drones with communications gear on board. It would be cheaper to startup, cheaper to maintain, easier to upgrade, lower latency, etc. For certain applications satellites will still be needed, but we are at the edge of the next generation of low cost communications brought to us by continuously flying drones flying between 10 and 20 miles up.
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Assuming the tech filters down, something like Google Maps could be done in real time. Companies will launch surveillance planes, blimps, or piggyback on cellular towers so that anyone can zero-in on your house.
For a price, obviously, because my privacy is worth trading for their profits.
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Quote: "it forms part of our daily lives without us ever being conscious of the massive investment to get to that point."
"Not conscious", my ass. Military investment makes up a very large part of our tax and trade burden, and many of us are conscious as hell of how much it costs. If the research did not eventually get into civilian hands, there would be hell to pay.
I am not saying it's not worth it... just that unlike the OP, I pay attention.
I worked in ARRL "10 GHz and up" contest last weekend, at 10 and 24 GHz, and those frequencies are not for beginners. The dish has to be pointed precisely to the source, with error within a couple of degrees. If the satellites are not geostationary then tracking would be a major problem, and I think they are not geostationary due to the distance involved.
Among other problems, microwave gear is very expensive, sensitive to abuse, and has low power output. Hams can deal with that, being happy with mere 100-200 mW at 10 GHz, but they don't mind chasing the signal as atmospheric conditions change during the day. It would be a lot of work to achieve a reliable link whenever you need it. Rain and fog are major problems in these bands. You basically have to throw power (and money) at the problem; if the military complains about "high cost" of these systems, they are surely not affordable yet to a common man. Considering that the economy just entered a tailspin, we may have bigger problems in coming years than fixing the mobile internet thing.
Hope not, cos that'll mean I've somehow been drafted into the US Army and I'm not an American!!
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We may live in the armpit of freedom right now, but there is no doubt that our government funded initiatives like this have provided more fruit to the world than any other nation is hundreds of years. Now lets win back our freedom of speech and assembly!
These days it seems all but the most classified tech makes it into market very, very quickly. In ten years, not only will this system be a reality, but the civilian market will have figured out how to squeeze even more out of it than the military figured.
A top Admiral in the Navy was lamenting how the Navy is having a problem selling itself as a cutting edge tech provider simply because any such new tech they get goes to the civilian sector so quickly, and further, civilian use eclipses military use. In particular, he used the Arleigh Burke class of destroyers as an example. When it was being designed in the 80's, it was absolutely cutting edge stuff. It's been in service just over 15 years, and now the Admiral lamented that a single Blackberry has more com bandwidth than an entire Burke destroyer.
Kind of hard to sell recruits on "cutting edge" when that's the case.
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I thought the Internet I'll be using in 10 years will be called the RIAA distribution network and that I'd be using it from a jail cell because I once hummed "Happy Birthday" at a children's birthday party sometime in the 90s without paying the piper.
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I would imagine that if you consider even the last 100 years, the UK come up trumps in terms of "provided more
fruit to the world than any other nation".
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The internet is a much better example of an idea conceived of for military applications becoming ubiquitous, dumb dumb.
Extremely High Frequency
I'm usually not paranoid about radio radiation... But extremely high frequency from a satelite?
:)
Also, I've got to comment this thing... I'm sorry can't hold it back...
If GPS and remote imaging (think Google Earth) have proven anything, it is that technology initially developed for military purposes, and extremely expensive for initial civil use, will eventually reach the point where it forms part of our daily lives without us ever being conscious of the massive investment to get to that point.
I don't think that means that the technology could not have been developed without the military... It's just because you Americans have a problem subsidizing general purpose technology if it doesn't have a military purpose...
I'd love to help you but there's no space in the garage for a Taepodong 2 launch assembly :(
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Still waiting for Ludicrously High Frequency.... Seriously..
It doesn't cost the military anything to have millions of GPS users using their GPS system because the satellites take a passive role. It is the device in your hand doing the calculations based on signals and timing from a few satellites. On the other hand, a communications network actually has a limited resource in the form of bandwidth to be consumed by the millions of potential users.
As I have posted here before, in 1991 the DEA used GPS to track me. I can only imagine what they are using now. I'm not in that business anymore, in case anyone is listening to this conversation. I'm not even thinking about it. My DNA does not have those characteristics. My head does not resemble the shape of a criminal. Please just let me live my life and make stupid human mistakes. I don't need working on. I want to be imperfect.
Screw the predictors' predictions.
10 years from now...20 years from now... blah, blah...
WHERE THE FUCK is my Flying car promised to me 50 years ago???
Bring that first, and we will talk about stupid mobile internet...
As if enough AOL morons don't exist already...
The predictors should be drafted and send to Iraq: they can get to experience mobile artillery very much...
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Yes, and that's also the reason why there should be a space program. Sadly though, many people nowadays don't see it that way. They think that reaching for the stars is "impractical" when we have so many problems here at ground level. But money spent this way, even in military endeavors, is *never* wasted. Eventually it reaches everyone in some way or another.
Like... TANG!
(just kidding)
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its been a while since I've seen american citizens being put in jail for loitering....
Then you're not looking very hard. More and more cities are passing increasingly punitive "anti-loitering" laws all the time. Mostly under the logic that they "clean up" downtowns and prevent panhandling.
As for people getting punished for public assembly, just go to Flickr and type in "RNC" and you'll find plenty of people, almost all non-violent and cooperative, fwiw, being stopped from public assembly.
As soon as the feds started this concept of "free speech zones" they had publicly admitted that free speech wasn't predictably allowed anywhere else.
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booming along at 1200 baud..... I get email.. anywhere in the world... whats the problem? heh
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The EHF satellites are great for what they've been designed to do, deliver bandwidth to 10,000's users over a large area of the earth, but that isn't what most consumers need.
They need things that will work in urban canyons and can cope with 10,000's of users within a few square miles. This is much better served by local radio masts than satellite systems.
The future of mobile internet is 3G and WiMAX and its rivals, and its already here.
With the trends land line providers are taking, our service plans will be a buck per bit, with roaming, higher peak time charges, overage fees of 4 bucks extra per bit, and of course, for the "polite" users, "rollover bits".
Base price, 200 bucks a month for 30 bits, + unlimited off-peak (11 pm to 4 am), + your bit handling fee, your connection fees (per page of course), and of course 40 bucks a month rental charge for the modems.
Exceed your cap and you'll be taken down to 28 kilobits a second, just like the good old aol days.
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You must be rich, us middle-class are very aware of how much it costs every time we pay taxes...
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"I would imagine...the UK comes up trumps..."
Yes, you would have to imagine that.
I kid I kid! (not really)
To quote LongNoi "QZTR was right and won't leave me alone because I called him a moron when I was wrong" FYS
How do they know I'll be running that in 10 years? Crazy! They must be spying on me...in the future!
"How is airplane & car government funded research"
The US Air Force and CARB, that's how, and we were talking about research, not "firsts", nice try changing the goalposts.
Now, what's next? Well Fermi got his funding from the US Government, so his citizenship is irrelevant, since as you say, we were discussing government funding not place of birth.
Two people on your list aren't from and seemingly got nothing from the UK, so WTF?
Then there's Stringfellow, who got his funding privately and developed very little of any practical ongoing use, and made a dubious "first powered flight" that still gets eye rolls when mentioned.
Last there's Trevithick, who was also seemingly privately funded, and wasn't even the first anyway, William Murdoch beat him to it.
Then there's the fact that most of your list is well outside "the last hundred years"...
Listen, a little nationalistic rivalry is fun, but you've crossed the line into tryiing way too hard.
To quote LongNoi "QZTR was right and won't leave me alone because I called him a moron when I was wrong" FYS
However, for most commercial uses, it's just silly: even if it were just being used as backhaul for base stations, the requirement for directional antennas alone means that it's way more expensive and less reliable than conventional alternatives, and bandwidth to satellites can't help but be vastly more expensive than terrestrial connections, either wired or wireless. Imagining direct connections from laptops to satellites is even sillier.
There are places where this might actually make sense commercially, like cruise ships and such, but there just aren't that many other places in the middle of nowhere that have enough well-heeled customers to make satellite links a worthwhile proposition.
And, of course, there's latency. Absent a repeal of the lightspeed limit (an action favored by the outgoing Cheney administration, but unlikely to pass before November), going up to geosynchronous orbit and back down will be much worse than going to the other side of the world by fiber. Those folks who have DirecNet experience this today, and it is physically impossible for it to get any better.
So, you mention the anti-loitering laws, but fail to mentio whether they work, and more importantly that the laws protect other citizen's rights, namely customers and property owners.
But who gives a fuck about the rights of people who are actually useful and productive, there are downtrodden residentially challenged citizens to protect! They should absolutely have the right to soil themselves in my doorway and run off my customers...
As to the "free speech zones", I'm so tired of this stupidity.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the argument is "some of the more radical protesting is unsafe to the general public, so we're forced to move the protests to an area we can more effectivley monitor".
Of course it hasn't, your kind always asssumes the worst, despite the fact that if someone, like one of those idiot protesters at the republican convention, sprayed me with urine and feces there sure as fuck would be a murder.
But hell no! Why should we hold idiot citizens who abuse the rights of others to task, especially when the police are such an easy target?
Of course, thinking that way is direct evidence of colossal intellectual laziness, butt who cares! FUCK THE PO-LICE!
To quote LongNoi "QZTR was right and won't leave me alone because I called him a moron when I was wrong" FYS
EHF communications is NOT the mobile internet of tomorrow. In fact AEHF won't even be the military's SATCOM system of choice when bandwidth is the primary requirement. They're generally going to turn to WGS (http://www.afspc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5582) or even more likely, commercial SATCOM because that's where the REAL bandwidth is.
Don't get me wrong EHF SATCOM does what's it designed to do very well. It's protected. The narrow beam widths on uplink and downlink provide low probability of detection & intercept (LPI/LPD). Being that it's a high-gain system (narrow beams, high power) coupled with frequency jumping across an enormous spectrum it makes it very hard to jam. Lastly, and least practical to a civilian user, EHF communications are more resistant to the effects of atmospheric scintillation in a post-nuclear environment.
So, if in 10 years, you find yourself in need of anti-jam, LPI/LPD communications following a major nuclear attack, then YES! EHF SATCOM will be there for you! :)
PS EHF may survive a nuke attack, but heavy rain does knock you off the air! Gotta take the good with the bad. :)
Wont matter in 10 years, as all we will be able to afford to do is read a couple of emails and dream of the days before oppressive metered service that wasn't monitored for content.
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I am too cheap to pay $30/mo for mobile internet on my phone. A service beamed from OUTER SPACE doesn't sound like it is going to be a bargain.
The mobile internet that I am using in 10 years will be cheap, or I will be relying on unicorn-rare wlan hot spots as I do today.
So true. Though I admit I'm frustrated by how long Wal*Mart is taking to stock those do-it-yourself ICBMs.
Case in point.
The methods of making the booster fuel are being integrated into the automotive market.
The onboard chips for guidance, etc. have long since worked their way onto Wal-Mart's shelves in the form of everything from ipods, usb drives, and computers to the sensors in the kitchen hardware.
The large-scale manufacturing & precision building of the tanks, body, etc. of the missiles have been adopted into the manufacturing sectors.
So the original point is valid, and yes I know you're being funny but that's the point- most people think "Gee, if I don't see nukes in Wal-Mart, then everything that went into making that nuke must also not be in Wal-Mart" which is just plain wrong.
Satellite photography and the GPS system have the property of being usable by large numbers of people with no reduction in quality. A wireless internet will degrade as usage increases. Therefore we may not see this technology open itself to widespread usage in the way Google Earth and GPS have.
The military only released very low-resolution (within about 100-200 yards) GPS to the public. They did NOT release high-resolution GPS reception. It took some civilians a lot of work to figure out how to get high-resolution GPS navigation from the satellites without using the military's own high-resolution system, before it was very useful to the public.