last time I checked personal comfort assistant that I hired to do a blowjob did cost 30E the same 10 years ago 50E. And that is elite. The finger nails painting job is not paying nowhere near as much. Of course you can argue that everything else will be cheaper but somehow I doubt that this is the case.
The same or similar stratification processes occurred in Germany where we did not have Bushities...
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why is this marked trolled? It in my view accurately describes one of the possible scenarios of what can happen and we have the whole history of human kind to back it up.
You never got to read a book about economy and history, did you? There were constant uprisings in London in 16th and 17th centuries because workers from the land organized themselves, ask for more money, went to the streets, sheriffs and army intervened, state introduced new rules and minimum wages etc, the industry in question went to the Netherlands, rinse and repeat every say 20 years or so. Current situation was and possibly is indeed unique. Humanity had not had such a long streak of prosperity as we have now (with some sad exceptions). This is bound to end some day of of course. If one looks at statistics of how workforce is stratified with regard to pay you probably will see the same in any Western country i.e. that medians go down. You will see that some parts of the workforce are not affected. It is not to say it is bad or good but the fact is that newly created jobs over last decades tend to be low pay. The trends in the industry are also interesting. Some production is indeed coming back to where it came from i.e. to the West, There is a good economic reason for that: work force is two things: of good quality and very powerfull thanx to automation i.e. you do not need many people so the costs are limited too. It is not the end of the world of course. As others point out - people lived in poverty and oppression most of the history and before that too. I can paint others people's finger nails etc too. It is not the life I imagined for my kids but I can do it.
oh c'mon - how many people work on farms these days? How big part of the population is it in any of the western countries? Would it be more than 1% I am not saying that no new jobs are created. But the fact is that in majority of Western societies either there is a structural unemployment or people work for wages that are not sufficient to survive (and in civilized countries get supported by the communities they live in).
This may be confirmed if one looks at other data. In EU the one major economy there were growing last decade was arguable doing so because they relaxed the labour market with a result that majority of those that 'suddenly' found a job live on social support because although they work full time they pay is so low that they would starve or would not be able to commute to work etc. I talk about Germany.
There have been experiments with rats which were provided with all they can eat and drink etc. Their society if you can call you that collapsed after a while - they called that behavioral sink. Of course you can argue as many did that rats are not people but.....
I think it is a misconception for 'capitalism' to have a goal. We give this name to a system of property rights and the resulting market economy. That existed even in most communist of communist states which me thinks is a proof that communism and capitalism are not exclusively mutual but rather systems working on different domains. One is property and another is power, possibly an absolute one. There are also nice problems in markets that are completely free i.e. without any binding rules.
I tend to think now that money is as necessary in a complex and dense urban society as government is. The utopias without it do not work. We do not have to look at communist states for the examples as how that does not work as I do not know one which did not have money system. Look at Kibbutz movement or hippies communes - most of them fails at some point not because of external pressure but because people inside feel bad about not resolved problems within. Having no money in a huge urban society brings set of problems with it. There is always some work that has not been automated / somebody needs to do it and how to make people do it especially if it is dangerous or boring or both - this is Kibbutz or in extreme simplification a failing marriage problem again - who brings the trash out. Then there is boredom - what all these people, that have nothing to do, do whole day long? I mean this is going to cause serious societal problems one way or another even if you manage to cater for all basic needs. Of course you can argue this can be resolved by total surveillance and automatic policing systems oh wait.....
Not sure maybe it was becoming cheaper most of the last century but when I look at the bills for bread now and 10 years ago they are defintelly higher than they used to be and in the proportion way bigger than increase of my income in the same time. It is inevitable. One may talk it away on one hand we have explosive increase of population that wants to eat steaks and on the other only this much meadows on which cows can wonder before they get cut the steak off their backs. On the other hand even lesser quality foodstuffs are of limited availability. The quality suffers with the pressure to produce more and more (which is one of the things that monsanto lawyers do not like to talk about which is of course another story).
As for quality of oral sex one has to think a bit and practice. Majority of us does not do either and of those that practice majority does not think. The result is that majority of ladies I did go to 'bed' with sucked at sucking. I did not try with men but judging on what the ladies say it must be the same.
OT: when you gather some experience and do some thinking and then apply then you can see almost directly whether ladies in documentaries that we all so value do this right or just fake it to satisfy the moron director of the movie.
you can explain faith or at least you can explain what you believe in, in a reasonable and logical way to yourself and possibly to others. Whether this makes sense to these others depends on their beliefs, the use logic and language and their reediness to accept different perspective. That is a lots of conditions but it works surprisingly well. In certain perspective you can say that faith is a border condition or assumption or axiom or whatever. People tend to have faith in different sort of things without even recognizing that they do. Whether this in TFA is faith is another question. I cannot say I understand all what is said there and for sure I would not be able to make an argument based on equations etc on which such claims are made. However with this little understanding that I have after reading TFA I think that multiverse is just a result of the equations being applied i.e. you can see that equations are correct in some range and in some other range but not everywhere. You use mathematical tools to claim that they are valid also in another ranges and this is what leads them to claims of isolated chunks of universe. So no these other chunks may not be available unless we develop warm-holes but they seem to be out there. Who knows maybe we develop wormholes and can see? After all flying objects heavier than air were physically impossible not so long time ago.
not sure why is this 'trolled' - moderators are in bad mood today???
There is an interesting theory what the big bang actually is or is not by Sir Roger Penrose. As with my little brain it is difficult to comprehand all that and even more difficult to elaborate on the subject in any meaningful way but it seems to me that Sir Roger found a mathematical way to explain away a singularity of bing bang by doing few tansformations which are simple and basic so I do not bother explaiing them here. this would contradict the parent's post somewhat or maybe not. In any case this is not the reason to makr it as a troll.
gp never run business and his feel for time is fkd too - my observation is - paying with the card takes as long or longer than with cash. but we in europe are retarded commies so this does not count I guess.
I dare to disagree. This is speculation but judging how fucked up many gov projects are maybe he heard somewhere how messed this particular system was or maybe he saw evidence of leaking data and checked himself whether it is so. After all if that is government then it is your property too as a citizen. The way the authorities work these days is another reason why he did that - to be sure that they fulfill their obligations to customers. Were this a private enterprise it could be that they would have a more white hat friendly policy.
this is OT but for a change I had a portion of a good lough this morning while reading this part of the thread. Luckily I do not have to read this from the prison like this kid.
How true. Sometimes you have to break the law either because there is no other way or because the law is corrupted already. You have to watch your steps while you do it. Sometimes you only pay, sometimes you achieve something and pay anyway and sometimes you get lucky as you achieve your goal and get a reward. The later option is the rarest of course.
This may be OT but still. It seems to me we in the West are facing something bigger than usual incompetence and corruption which society can fix itself by standard means (voting opposition into office for instance). It seems to me that we raised over that level and are now at the level where government and big commercial organizations always know better than citizens, have means to be always right and if not then they can make you a criminal by interpreting the existing laws 'properly'. Coming from a country where I could see now fallen communist regime in action I find it really troubling that western countries use methods I know from there. I could maybe understand if they at least try to catch the web criminals and terrorists but sadly this hardly ever happen and all the losses of privacy and our rights and costs of the whole surveillance apparatus seems to be just supporting a move towards police state and not towards more security. It is a strange world.
army standing behind the walls of the building where law making is done has a long traditions among civilized nations. You can consider this as another circumstance of life that is limiting your choices as it is when no army stands there but could have stood if wrong decision had been made. The 'no war' idea is a noble one but it does not consider the fact that not all people appreciate it and some of those are armed very well indeed. Why do we have to discuss this nonsense again and again? Wars were ever there and will be as long as some humans feel it worthwhile and if so the rest would do best to get prepared for such eventuality.
extrajudicial killings are not always the best way to solve the problem and I think you overestimate the evil side abilities. They are by no means omnipotent as you may think. They are also quite often incompetent to the point that one thinks there must by a higher level plan that makes them do things. Besides even if executed properly such action may backfire causing more damage. As for now they can still find friendly judges on federal level, they have their secret court and as far as we know they just over-interpreted the law. There are two major problems in this one is: they do not much different things that FB et al do already and second is: the current way of doing things with voiding privacy on grand scale and secret courts etc is paving way for a future evil regime. This may but does not have to come. Besides there are other lesser evils than say Pol Pot level bloodshed but they are still evils which shall be opposed. I do not overestimate the influence of the whole affair on my life - but I am still shocked that the tin foil brigade was right all along about this.
this maybe because the tech that was once newsworthy is not anymore. Either not a breaktrough or even so it is so complicated and/or sophisticated that nobody (i.e. fewer than 10 indihviduals) understands. It was once possible to write tools that mattered on your own - what was it last time when it happened? Looking at different angle - the geeky stuff about say obfuscated C code - how many answers does that get? All the allure and all the geeks are gone. Only some stubborn autists are still out there thinking C or C++ is stuff that matters. Gosh if Software mattered they would actually fix internet of pipes (or what was it called lately) so that no fuckhead can sue me for IP or some other shit. And NSA shit matters - we gave up our privacy one way or the other long time ago. We have no control over this and there are smart people out there using this mistake. How to fix that is a matter of urgency. NSA discussions do not really help that much - I admit this much as majority just does standard knee jerk stuff and throws abuse at NSA without thinking about say FB and other 'good guys'.
So yes/. changed. Geeks changed and Stuff that matters changed too. Especially stuff that matters changed is a major factor: it is not some obscure piece of code but rather complex stuff like privacy and technical solutions that can support it. I may be mistaken but that is one of the biggest things that shape this century. There is a lot at stake: on one hand our freedoms on the other criminals. The internet that is free of all earthly limitations is not anymore. Clear that such important issue takes a lots of attention. Clear that the other tech stories even if coming in the same size and importance as before (which they do not) would attract less attention.
Having said all this - tfa here is really substandard.
It is about both sides. You cannot claim moral superiority if you do things that are widely considered immoral. This is not to say that some of the poeple protesting US have no agenda or are just plain silly or mistaken.
Look at a conflict that lies in distant past. In Vietnam US did despikable things. Vietcong did even more despicable things but US tried to have a moral high ground. The only thing that happend in the West was that people looked at this and said - we do not like what is being done in our name because it is immoral. If so then the other side must be moral (which is just silly) - hell I still have friends happily admitting that they supported murderers from the north. Simillarily here - if you want support from people you have to act in a proper way. It may just be that the case is lost anyway. I personally do not think any amount of good will and help can fix the hate some in Arab but also generally in Muslim world feel against so called West. Still keeping people in legal limbo is not doing your country any good.
you touched to one of the main problems me thinks. I saw results of few big SW projects in domain of social security too and the problem is even bigger there as the overreaching businessmen can be convinced especially if you have good arguments after all s/he wants project to deliver things that s/he needs. In social security area in any country this gets tricky because of extreme complexity of the rules and interfaces. The later can be mitigated by prescribing certain interfaces & their rules in law - it binds companies to use common interface which is then worked on together. In US one has additional problem that the entity ordering the shit i.e. Congress is a case of a split brain far detached from reality and actually not wanting the project to succeed. Good luck in discussing change to conflicting requirements with these people.
The ol' good incompetence and negligence is not helping either.
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last time I checked personal comfort assistant that I hired to do a blowjob did cost 30E the same 10 years ago 50E. And that is elite. The finger nails painting job is not paying nowhere near as much. Of course you can argue that everything else will be cheaper but somehow I doubt that this is the case.
The same or similar stratification processes occurred in Germany where we did not have Bushities...
why is this marked trolled? It in my view accurately describes one of the possible scenarios of what can happen and we have the whole history of human kind to back it up.
You never got to read a book about economy and history, did you? There were constant uprisings in London in 16th and 17th centuries because workers from the land organized themselves, ask for more money, went to the streets, sheriffs and army intervened, state introduced new rules and minimum wages etc, the industry in question went to the Netherlands, rinse and repeat every say 20 years or so. Current situation was and possibly is indeed unique. Humanity had not had such a long streak of prosperity as we have now (with some sad exceptions). This is bound to end some day of of course. If one looks at statistics of how workforce is stratified with regard to pay you probably will see the same in any Western country i.e. that medians go down. You will see that some parts of the workforce are not affected. It is not to say it is bad or good but the fact is that newly created jobs over last decades tend to be low pay. The trends in the industry are also interesting. Some production is indeed coming back to where it came from i.e. to the West, There is a good economic reason for that: work force is two things: of good quality and very powerfull thanx to automation i.e. you do not need many people so the costs are limited too. It is not the end of the world of course. As others point out - people lived in poverty and oppression most of the history and before that too. I can paint others people's finger nails etc too. It is not the life I imagined for my kids but I can do it.
oh c'mon - how many people work on farms these days? How big part of the population is it in any of the western countries? Would it be more than 1% I am not saying that no new jobs are created. But the fact is that in majority of Western societies either there is a structural unemployment or people work for wages that are not sufficient to survive (and in civilized countries get supported by the communities they live in).
This may be confirmed if one looks at other data. In EU the one major economy there were growing last decade was arguable doing so because they relaxed the labour market with a result that majority of those that 'suddenly' found a job live on social support because although they work full time they pay is so low that they would starve or would not be able to commute to work etc. I talk about Germany.
There have been experiments with rats which were provided with all they can eat and drink etc. Their society if you can call you that collapsed after a while - they called that behavioral sink. Of course you can argue as many did that rats are not people but.....
I tend to think now that money is as necessary in a complex and dense urban society as government is. The utopias without it do not work. We do not have to look at communist states for the examples as how that does not work as I do not know one which did not have money system. Look at Kibbutz movement or hippies communes - most of them fails at some point not because of external pressure but because people inside feel bad about not resolved problems within. Having no money in a huge urban society brings set of problems with it. There is always some work that has not been automated / somebody needs to do it and how to make people do it especially if it is dangerous or boring or both - this is Kibbutz or in extreme simplification a failing marriage problem again - who brings the trash out. Then there is boredom - what all these people, that have nothing to do, do whole day long? I mean this is going to cause serious societal problems one way or another even if you manage to cater for all basic needs. Of course you can argue this can be resolved by total surveillance and automatic policing systems oh wait.....
Not sure maybe it was becoming cheaper most of the last century but when I look at the bills for bread now and 10 years ago they are defintelly higher than they used to be and in the proportion way bigger than increase of my income in the same time. It is inevitable. One may talk it away on one hand we have explosive increase of population that wants to eat steaks and on the other only this much meadows on which cows can wonder before they get cut the steak off their backs. On the other hand even lesser quality foodstuffs are of limited availability. The quality suffers with the pressure to produce more and more (which is one of the things that monsanto lawyers do not like to talk about which is of course another story).
oh so food and shelter will be free ??? In which part of multiverse you live? How did you get here?
in soviet Russia condoms wears you!
OT: when you gather some experience and do some thinking and then apply then you can see almost directly whether ladies in documentaries that we all so value do this right or just fake it to satisfy the moron director of the movie.
you can explain faith or at least you can explain what you believe in, in a reasonable and logical way to yourself and possibly to others. Whether this makes sense to these others depends on their beliefs, the use logic and language and their reediness to accept different perspective. That is a lots of conditions but it works surprisingly well. In certain perspective you can say that faith is a border condition or assumption or axiom or whatever. People tend to have faith in different sort of things without even recognizing that they do. Whether this in TFA is faith is another question. I cannot say I understand all what is said there and for sure I would not be able to make an argument based on equations etc on which such claims are made. However with this little understanding that I have after reading TFA I think that multiverse is just a result of the equations being applied i.e. you can see that equations are correct in some range and in some other range but not everywhere. You use mathematical tools to claim that they are valid also in another ranges and this is what leads them to claims of isolated chunks of universe. So no these other chunks may not be available unless we develop warm-holes but they seem to be out there. Who knows maybe we develop wormholes and can see? After all flying objects heavier than air were physically impossible not so long time ago.
There is an interesting theory what the big bang actually is or is not by Sir Roger Penrose. As with my little brain it is difficult to comprehand all that and even more difficult to elaborate on the subject in any meaningful way but it seems to me that Sir Roger found a mathematical way to explain away a singularity of bing bang by doing few tansformations which are simple and basic so I do not bother explaiing them here. this would contradict the parent's post somewhat or maybe not. In any case this is not the reason to makr it as a troll.
cause god was high'n'high when he started his world creation machine.
why dont you move to somalia seems like free market conditions would suite you well.
gp never run business and his feel for time is fkd too - my observation is - paying with the card takes as long or longer than with cash. but we in europe are retarded commies so this does not count I guess.
I dare to disagree. This is speculation but judging how fucked up many gov projects are maybe he heard somewhere how messed this particular system was or maybe he saw evidence of leaking data and checked himself whether it is so. After all if that is government then it is your property too as a citizen. The way the authorities work these days is another reason why he did that - to be sure that they fulfill their obligations to customers. Were this a private enterprise it could be that they would have a more white hat friendly policy.
this is OT but for a change I had a portion of a good lough this morning while reading this part of the thread. Luckily I do not have to read this from the prison like this kid.
This may be OT but still. It seems to me we in the West are facing something bigger than usual incompetence and corruption which society can fix itself by standard means (voting opposition into office for instance). It seems to me that we raised over that level and are now at the level where government and big commercial organizations always know better than citizens, have means to be always right and if not then they can make you a criminal by interpreting the existing laws 'properly'. Coming from a country where I could see now fallen communist regime in action I find it really troubling that western countries use methods I know from there. I could maybe understand if they at least try to catch the web criminals and terrorists but sadly this hardly ever happen and all the losses of privacy and our rights and costs of the whole surveillance apparatus seems to be just supporting a move towards police state and not towards more security. It is a strange world.
army standing behind the walls of the building where law making is done has a long traditions among civilized nations. You can consider this as another circumstance of life that is limiting your choices as it is when no army stands there but could have stood if wrong decision had been made. The 'no war' idea is a noble one but it does not consider the fact that not all people appreciate it and some of those are armed very well indeed. Why do we have to discuss this nonsense again and again? Wars were ever there and will be as long as some humans feel it worthwhile and if so the rest would do best to get prepared for such eventuality.
extrajudicial killings are not always the best way to solve the problem and I think you overestimate the evil side abilities. They are by no means omnipotent as you may think. They are also quite often incompetent to the point that one thinks there must by a higher level plan that makes them do things. Besides even if executed properly such action may backfire causing more damage. As for now they can still find friendly judges on federal level, they have their secret court and as far as we know they just over-interpreted the law. There are two major problems in this one is: they do not much different things that FB et al do already and second is: the current way of doing things with voiding privacy on grand scale and secret courts etc is paving way for a future evil regime. This may but does not have to come. Besides there are other lesser evils than say Pol Pot level bloodshed but they are still evils which shall be opposed. I do not overestimate the influence of the whole affair on my life - but I am still shocked that the tin foil brigade was right all along about this.
this maybe because the tech that was once newsworthy is not anymore. Either not a breaktrough or even so it is so complicated and/or sophisticated that nobody (i.e. fewer than 10 indihviduals) understands. It was once possible to write tools that mattered on your own - what was it last time when it happened?
Looking at different angle - the geeky stuff about say obfuscated C code - how many answers does that get? All the allure and all the geeks are gone. Only some stubborn autists are still out there thinking C or C++ is stuff that matters. Gosh if Software mattered they would actually fix internet of pipes (or what was it called lately) so that no fuckhead can sue me for IP or some other shit. And NSA shit matters - we gave up our privacy one way or the other long time ago. We have no control over this and there are smart people out there using this mistake. How to fix that is a matter of urgency. NSA discussions do not really help that much - I admit this much as majority just does standard knee jerk stuff and throws abuse at NSA without thinking about say FB and other 'good guys'.
So yes /. changed. Geeks changed and Stuff that matters changed too. Especially stuff that matters changed is a major factor: it is not some obscure piece of code but rather complex stuff like privacy and technical solutions that can support it. I may be mistaken but that is one of the biggest things that shape this century. There is a lot at stake: on one hand our freedoms on the other criminals. The internet that is free of all earthly limitations is not anymore. Clear that such important issue takes a lots of attention. Clear that the other tech stories even if coming in the same size and importance as before (which they do not) would attract less attention.
Having said all this - tfa here is really substandard.
Look at a conflict that lies in distant past. In Vietnam US did despikable things. Vietcong did even more despicable things but US tried to have a moral high ground. The only thing that happend in the West was that people looked at this and said - we do not like what is being done in our name because it is immoral. If so then the other side must be moral (which is just silly) - hell I still have friends happily admitting that they supported murderers from the north. Simillarily here - if you want support from people you have to act in a proper way. It may just be that the case is lost anyway. I personally do not think any amount of good will and help can fix the hate some in Arab but also generally in Muslim world feel against so called West. Still keeping people in legal limbo is not doing your country any good.
you touched to one of the main problems me thinks. I saw results of few big SW projects in domain of social security too and the problem is even bigger there as the overreaching businessmen can be convinced especially if you have good arguments after all s/he wants project to deliver things that s/he needs. In social security area in any country this gets tricky because of extreme complexity of the rules and interfaces. The later can be mitigated by prescribing certain interfaces & their rules in law - it binds companies to use common interface which is then worked on together. In US one has additional problem that the entity ordering the shit i.e. Congress is a case of a split brain far detached from reality and actually not wanting the project to succeed. Good luck in discussing change to conflicting requirements with these people.
The ol' good incompetence and negligence is not helping either.