Okay. Well how do we get the desirable (or at least fixable) members of society to form stable families and produce children to perpetuate our civilization?
Keeping out all the gamers and MRAs is a start, and it's already happening, thanks to nature.
there are people who have been burned by a woman and have sworn them off.
The rest of us call such people, "losers".
But there is a legitimate argument that our marriage laws and courts advantage women.
Hoo-boy. So what you're trying to say is, "All Genders Matter"?
Our dating culture also advantages women, though I am bothered by this less, because you can always just ignore the culture and have your own sense of fairness.
You mean you only recently realized that you can establish your own ethics and direct your own life and relationships? Most people learn this in puberty.
I don't endorse these movements, but they have a well thought out perspective that shouldn't just be summarily dismissed like you've done:
I have yet to meet an MRA with a "well thought out perspective". Or maybe I was unable to hear the well thought out perspective amidst all the sniveling and whining from those sensitive snowflakes.
If the tax affects all companies equally, there's no competition. Everybody raises prices, cuts dividends, and cuts wages as a group.
You assume that all companies work on the same profit margin, the same efficiency, the same productivity and levels of innovation and reinvestment. That's simply not the case.
I realize you've heard the neoliberal mantra that "corporations never pay taxes" for decades, but it just isn't true. It's never been true.
Many people are just afraid of things that are dirty and sharp so they leave that to other people. Turns out if the other people are uninterested, either because they are also afraid of things that are dirty and sharp, or they see no profit in it, then things don't get done. Civilization was built by those that wanted to make their lives better and weren't afraid to do the work themselves. A lot of times that means working with tools that are dirty and sharp.
I was part of a comedy duo back in college called, "Dirty & Sharp".
Share price represents the current value of the company's expected future profit stream. If that goes down, because of tax or anything else, it will absolutely affect the share price.
You missed the point. Taxes come after profits, not before them.
Go ask your boss how much you make. He's not going to quote you the number after taxes.
The bottom line - where we started - is the canard that corporations don't pay taxes. That all corporate taxes are passed on to customers, shareholders or employers. As long as you have the slightest competition, that simply is not true.
In fact, the very opposite is true. Every dollar in corporate taxes that are not collected is another dollar that customers, employers and shareholders have to pay instead.
Yes. You would, of course, either have to get a majority of the other shareholders to agree to the distribution, or you would need to give them back a portion of your shares in proportion to the equity you were cashing out.
So, it sounds like you're saying that money really doesn't belong to me, it belongs to a class of people who have shares with voting rights and it sounds like no, corporate taxes really don't affect share price.
That market price is very much determined by how much cash Apple has. If tax laws changed in a way that would increase or decrease their cash pile
Let me explain how corporate income taxes work: The "cash pile" is not what's being taxed. Last year's profits are what's used to calculate corporate income tax. Since it doesn't affect the pile of money they have one way or the other for last year that means it doesn't affect market price. What affects market price are the relative values of other investments and the perceived upside for future growth. And that leads to the one ineluctable fact of all this: taxes don't affect growth. They never have.
If the tax results in a reduction of that cash pile, then obviously it was paid by the shareholders, since that is who the cash belongs too.
No, it does not belong to the shareholders. I've been an Apple shareholder. If I called them up and asked them to send me my portion of that $200 billion, you think they'd send me a check? No. All I can do is sell my Apple stock. And that stock price is controlled by the market, not by the level of taxation in a given country.
I'll tell you what, somebody left this book at my house back in April and I threw it in my pack on a road trip from Connecticut to Houston, Texas. Bored with motel TV, I started reading it sitting next to an empty pool not far from Gettysburg, PA and continued a bit every night. I had some Bo Crowder-looking dude give me the fisheye in a Waffle House in Tennessee when he saw what I was reading, and a Civil War buff in Virginia sat down and talked to me for like an hour in a diner since he had read the book and loved it.
I'm not usually a Civil War history guy, and political biographies have never been my thing, but this dude... I highly recommend this book. I bet your local library has like a dozen copies, so you'll be able to read it for free right now.
The tax can only come from three places: shareholders, employees, or customers.
This is a common misconception among people who don't know shit and neoliberals who might know better but don't care.
Those "three places" you mention are all controlled by market conditions. As long as there is any competition, companies cannot just pass their tax bill along to customers, because they will lose them. Corporate tax is computed on profits at the end of the year, anyway, after the sale has taken place. The same goes for employees. If a corporation decides to cut salaries because of higher taxes (not to management of course) they won't get good employees.
Shareholders' value is also market-driven (naturally). Except for dividends, a corporation cannot pass it's tax bill on to shareholders.
Let's take Apple, for example. They have over $200 billion in cash. Give me a scenario where they're going to pass the bill for their Irish tax dodge on to customers, employees or shareholders.
bad you should immediately turn off you internet fo for 30 days to "reset" it....
Say, I wasn't born yesterday. I know very well that if I just disconnect the cables and put the router in the microwave for 45 seconds at 50% power it'll do the same thing.
Dave Moss: I don't gotta sit here and listen to this shit.
Blake: You certainly don't pal, 'cause the good news is - you're fired. The bad news is - you've got, all of you've got just one week to regain your jobs starting with tonight. Starting with tonight's sit. Oh? Have I got your attention now? Good. "Cause we're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. Get the picture? You laughing now? You got leads. Mitch and Murray paid good money, get their names to sell them, you can't close the leads you're given you can't close shit. You ARE shit. Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are going OUT.
Shelley: The leads are weak.
Blake: The leads are weak? Fucking leads are weak. You're weak. I've been in this business 15 years...
Dave: What's your name?
Blake: Fuck you. That's my name. You know why, mister? You drove a Hyundai to get here. I drove an eighty-thousand dollar BMW. THAT'S my name. And your name is you're wanting. You can't play in the man's game, you can't close them - go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line which is dotted. You hear me, you fucking faggots? A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing. ALWAYS BE CLOSING.
how many anti-science progressives and Democrats are going to blame Trump for this?
Not nearly as many as Trump supporters who think the Earth's "magnetic field" is pseudo-science being pushed by George Soros-funded geologists trying to advance a marxist agenda.
I mean, if there really was a "magnetic field" than why does a pound of iron fall at the same rate as a pound of feathers? Can't answer that one, can you? Boom! Chinese hoax. Sad!
Actually, it was my uncle's friend, who works for Nintendo and says everybody there and at the FBI supports #gamergate. And as soon as the FBI is done with their investigation, they're going to arrest all the unethical game journos who gave Bayonetta less than 8/10.
Slashdot Mirror
And a cuck.
Do you know where you are?
Keeping out all the gamers and MRAs is a start, and it's already happening, thanks to nature.
The rest of us call such people, "losers".
Hoo-boy. So what you're trying to say is, "All Genders Matter"?
You mean you only recently realized that you can establish your own ethics and direct your own life and relationships? Most people learn this in puberty.
I have yet to meet an MRA with a "well thought out perspective". Or maybe I was unable to hear the well thought out perspective amidst all the sniveling and whining from those sensitive snowflakes.
Here is an unretouched photo of an MRA:
https://i1.wp.com/www.wehunted...
You assume that all companies work on the same profit margin, the same efficiency, the same productivity and levels of innovation and reinvestment. That's simply not the case.
I realize you've heard the neoliberal mantra that "corporations never pay taxes" for decades, but it just isn't true. It's never been true.
Shh. The guide told them it was a cheetah.
Why are you reading "madamenoire"?
They were my favorite alt-country rap group.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/...
Not being able to get a date is not quite the same as "dropping out of the relationship game".
Nor is it #WhiteGenocide, despite what a certain group whose name rhymes with "halt-bright" would have you believe.
I was part of a comedy duo back in college called, "Dirty & Sharp".
You missed the point. Taxes come after profits, not before them.
Go ask your boss how much you make. He's not going to quote you the number after taxes.
The bottom line - where we started - is the canard that corporations don't pay taxes. That all corporate taxes are passed on to customers, shareholders or employers. As long as you have the slightest competition, that simply is not true.
In fact, the very opposite is true. Every dollar in corporate taxes that are not collected is another dollar that customers, employers and shareholders have to pay instead.
So, it sounds like you're saying that money really doesn't belong to me, it belongs to a class of people who have shares with voting rights and it sounds like no, corporate taxes really don't affect share price.
Let me explain how corporate income taxes work: The "cash pile" is not what's being taxed. Last year's profits are what's used to calculate corporate income tax. Since it doesn't affect the pile of money they have one way or the other for last year that means it doesn't affect market price. What affects market price are the relative values of other investments and the perceived upside for future growth. And that leads to the one ineluctable fact of all this: taxes don't affect growth. They never have.
No, it does not belong to the shareholders. I've been an Apple shareholder. If I called them up and asked them to send me my portion of that $200 billion, you think they'd send me a check? No. All I can do is sell my Apple stock. And that stock price is controlled by the market, not by the level of taxation in a given country.
I'll tell you what, somebody left this book at my house back in April and I threw it in my pack on a road trip from Connecticut to Houston, Texas. Bored with motel TV, I started reading it sitting next to an empty pool not far from Gettysburg, PA and continued a bit every night. I had some Bo Crowder-looking dude give me the fisheye in a Waffle House in Tennessee when he saw what I was reading, and a Civil War buff in Virginia sat down and talked to me for like an hour in a diner since he had read the book and loved it.
I'm not usually a Civil War history guy, and political biographies have never been my thing, but this dude... I highly recommend this book. I bet your local library has like a dozen copies, so you'll be able to read it for free right now.
https://www.amazon.com/America...
Oh, it's going to be prime.
This is a common misconception among people who don't know shit and neoliberals who might know better but don't care.
Those "three places" you mention are all controlled by market conditions. As long as there is any competition, companies cannot just pass their tax bill along to customers, because they will lose them. Corporate tax is computed on profits at the end of the year, anyway, after the sale has taken place. The same goes for employees. If a corporation decides to cut salaries because of higher taxes (not to management of course) they won't get good employees.
Shareholders' value is also market-driven (naturally). Except for dividends, a corporation cannot pass it's tax bill on to shareholders.
Let's take Apple, for example. They have over $200 billion in cash. Give me a scenario where they're going to pass the bill for their Irish tax dodge on to customers, employees or shareholders.
Say, I wasn't born yesterday. I know very well that if I just disconnect the cables and put the router in the microwave for 45 seconds at 50% power it'll do the same thing.
I took the test and got an A in buffer bloat. Is that good or bad?
I guess Russians never saw Glengarry Glen Ross.
Dave Moss: I don't gotta sit here and listen to this shit.
Blake: You certainly don't pal, 'cause the good news is - you're fired. The bad news is - you've got, all of you've got just one week to regain your jobs starting with tonight. Starting with tonight's sit. Oh? Have I got your attention now? Good. "Cause we're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. Get the picture? You laughing now? You got leads. Mitch and Murray paid good money, get their names to sell them, you can't close the leads you're given you can't close shit. You ARE shit. Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are going OUT.
Shelley: The leads are weak.
Blake: The leads are weak? Fucking leads are weak. You're weak. I've been in this business 15 years...
Dave: What's your name?
Blake: Fuck you. That's my name. You know why, mister? You drove a Hyundai to get here. I drove an eighty-thousand dollar BMW. THAT'S my name. And your name is you're wanting. You can't play in the man's game, you can't close them - go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line which is dotted. You hear me, you fucking faggots? A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing. ALWAYS BE CLOSING.
FAKE NEWS!!
I ground up the feathers into a fine dust and compressed them into a cube. They fell at the same rate. Magnetism does not exist.
Not nearly as many as Trump supporters who think the Earth's "magnetic field" is pseudo-science being pushed by George Soros-funded geologists trying to advance a marxist agenda.
I mean, if there really was a "magnetic field" than why does a pound of iron fall at the same rate as a pound of feathers? Can't answer that one, can you? Boom! Chinese hoax. Sad!
Actually, it was my uncle's friend, who works for Nintendo and says everybody there and at the FBI supports #gamergate. And as soon as the FBI is done with their investigation, they're going to arrest all the unethical game journos who gave Bayonetta less than 8/10.
It's the reason for the season.