It's good that they mentioned military. Now that's the part of government that will quickly swtich from running on oil to running on sun, wind and water.
Yes, it sucks. I moved to one of those sanity-deficient countries, I had to get a credit card at a generous 49.9% annual rate. Obviously with no way to automatically pay it down each month, because the company only makes money when its customers mess up.
Did you know that in 22 states in the US, you can lose your drivers license if you have unpaid student loans? Which could make it hard or impossible to work for a lot of people, which seems a bit counter-productive, but you've got to feed the machine.
Having bad credit (or no credit) in the United States can cause just as much hardship as having bad "social credit" in China. Don't be so quick to pat the US on the back for not being a tyranny.
And that test results page is packed with medically needed information that arrives as a goddamned image, as though it were a wedding picture. Someone in the doctor’s office has to sit down and transcribe that information into storable form. You better hope that person doesn’t miss a digit or transpose two fields.
It's even worse than that. The test results are actually stored as digital data, and in fact, they are available on the portal for the doctor's office even before the doctor gets them. He gets them in digital form, but for some reason, the faxes are still sent, and received, and filed. Which makes no sense at all.
If you tell the lab that you would like the results sent to, say, your specialist, they will tell you that they need a fax number. Because who the hell knows why. And if god forbid, you should move to a new place and have different insurance, you will learn that the only way your previous doctor can send your chart to your new doctor is via fax (or they will make a copy for you so you can carry them by hand).
This reminds me that the radio stations started playing Christmas music today and it just makes me sick that they consider "My Favorite Things" a Christmas song. It's not and I wish they'd knock it the fuck off.
In fact, I wish they'd knock the entire Christmas music thing off until like maybe 2-3 days before Christmas. Don't nobody need to hear those fucking songs again, especially the shitty versions.
But if you absolutely must hear a Xmas song, here's one for you that won't make you puke:
OK, you guys can go back to talking about Chess or whatever you're on about. I mean, Chess has been around since about the 7th century. Did you really think it was gonna go away all of a sudden just because of the internet? I mean, it outlasted the middle ages and the industrial revolution. It can probably handle the fucking internet.
The reason the fax continued existence is blamed/credited to government is because signatures sent over fax are legally recognized as signatures by every government agency in the US. Similarly with actual paper signatures.
There are no signatures on blood work results. It's just a list of test results. And yet those are always faxed, even by the biggest nationwide labs in the country, like Quest Diagnostics.
Then global warming must not be that important if we are throwing options off the table that lightly.
Nice red herring. Nobody's "throwing options off the table that lightly". There is active ongoing research into the effects of iron seeding going on at my nearby university, and CO2 producing power is being replaced as we speak with other options
The only ones throwing options off the table are the people who keep maintaining that it's not a big problem and that if we just wait a little bit, the climate will change back.
When your doctor sends you to get blood drawn, those results come back to him as a fax. They are also sent via electronic data, but a shocking number of medical facilities still do everything by fax, and not because of anything having to do with the government.
When I was in Houston, I could barely believe it when I learned that the world class Hermann Medical Center there still uses faxes for everything. I mean, they got freaking robots doing surgeries and gene splicers and all that stuff, but still waiting on someone carrying a sheet of paper with blood test results from a fax machine to a doctor's hands.
Having a low credit score -- or even no credit history -- will not prevent you from buying plane or train or bus tickets in the US.
While it is possible to buy a plane ticket for cash, you will pay a higher price and you will be flagged by security for additional scrutiny. At what point does risking being on a terror watch list prevent you from traveling?
Having a low credit score does not mean your travel is restricted
It most certainly does. Have you tried traveling without a credit score or bank account? Did you know that employers are now checking the credit scores of applicants? Can you rent an apartment without a credit score?
Both are involuntary. Government or private industry, you don't have a choice.
The Chinese system is more social than financial, and is being used by the government to shape individual behavior. Smoke in public? Bad. Jaywalk? Bad. Dog bark too much? Bad.
They are both used to shape individual behavior and they are both involuntary.
Also, you skipped "only using cash and not using credit? Bad"
Both are bad, but I am much more worried about my freedom to post Winnie the Pooh than I am about my freedom to use a debit card instead of a credit card.
You don't see how those two things are exactly alike? A credit score in the US can keep you from traveling (can't pay with cash), can keep you from housing, can keep you from working.
The government is not proposing to use this at all for citizens (or, I believe, permanent residents).
You're way off the mark. The Chinese "social credit" system is nothing more than the American credit score model. And whether one is the government and one is private business doesn't matter one bit, because you have no say in the matter either way.
Are you a willing customer of Experian? Did you agree to any of it?
Yesterday, we saw an article about China's "social credit" policy, and there was much outrage and gnashing of teeth and moral superiority. People were all like, "why do we do business with China?" and so forth.
Someone please tell me how this is different from China's social credit policies.
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No thank you.
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would "scarcity" matter to something that has no practical non-virtual value?
I would love some of these BroCoin boys to join our weekly poker game, but I doubt any of them still afford the buy-in.
It's already in the works.
https://www.reuters.com/articl...
In many institutions, you can't get a bank account without a credit score. And no bank account means no debit card.
Did you know that in 22 states in the US, you can lose your drivers license if you have unpaid student loans? Which could make it hard or impossible to work for a lot of people, which seems a bit counter-productive, but you've got to feed the machine.
Having bad credit (or no credit) in the United States can cause just as much hardship as having bad "social credit" in China. Don't be so quick to pat the US on the back for not being a tyranny.
It's even worse than that. The test results are actually stored as digital data, and in fact, they are available on the portal for the doctor's office even before the doctor gets them. He gets them in digital form, but for some reason, the faxes are still sent, and received, and filed. Which makes no sense at all.
If you tell the lab that you would like the results sent to, say, your specialist, they will tell you that they need a fax number. Because who the hell knows why. And if god forbid, you should move to a new place and have different insurance, you will learn that the only way your previous doctor can send your chart to your new doctor is via fax (or they will make a copy for you so you can carry them by hand).
You would think it's 1980.
This reminds me that the radio stations started playing Christmas music today and it just makes me sick that they consider "My Favorite Things" a Christmas song. It's not and I wish they'd knock it the fuck off.
In fact, I wish they'd knock the entire Christmas music thing off until like maybe 2-3 days before Christmas. Don't nobody need to hear those fucking songs again, especially the shitty versions.
But if you absolutely must hear a Xmas song, here's one for you that won't make you puke:
https://youtu.be/UqZ1O0YhY5Q
OK, you guys can go back to talking about Chess or whatever you're on about. I mean, Chess has been around since about the 7th century. Did you really think it was gonna go away all of a sudden just because of the internet? I mean, it outlasted the middle ages and the industrial revolution. It can probably handle the fucking internet.
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Why should not needing credit indicate a lack of credit-worthiness?
I don't think you've thought this through.
There are no signatures on blood work results. It's just a list of test results. And yet those are always faxed, even by the biggest nationwide labs in the country, like Quest Diagnostics.
Nice red herring. Nobody's "throwing options off the table that lightly". There is active ongoing research into the effects of iron seeding going on at my nearby university, and CO2 producing power is being replaced as we speak with other options
The only ones throwing options off the table are the people who keep maintaining that it's not a big problem and that if we just wait a little bit, the climate will change back.
https://www.businessinsider.co...
When your doctor sends you to get blood drawn, those results come back to him as a fax. They are also sent via electronic data, but a shocking number of medical facilities still do everything by fax, and not because of anything having to do with the government.
When I was in Houston, I could barely believe it when I learned that the world class Hermann Medical Center there still uses faxes for everything. I mean, they got freaking robots doing surgeries and gene splicers and all that stuff, but still waiting on someone carrying a sheet of paper with blood test results from a fax machine to a doctor's hands.
While it is possible to buy a plane ticket for cash, you will pay a higher price and you will be flagged by security for additional scrutiny. At what point does risking being on a terror watch list prevent you from traveling?
Or, you just never used credit. Having no credit score can be worse than having a bad credit score.
They're under your bed waiting for you to fall asleep so they can suck up all your welfare and take your job.
It most certainly does. Have you tried traveling without a credit score or bank account? Did you know that employers are now checking the credit scores of applicants? Can you rent an apartment without a credit score?
Both are involuntary. Government or private industry, you don't have a choice.
Did you vote for Experian? For Trans-Union?
You are also punished for not getting a loan in the first place. It's a game you must play or not be free to travel, get jobs, etc.
They are both used to shape individual behavior and they are both involuntary.
Also, you skipped "only using cash and not using credit? Bad"
You don't see how those two things are exactly alike? A credit score in the US can keep you from traveling (can't pay with cash), can keep you from housing, can keep you from working.
But your big worry is Winnie the Pooh?
Where is that "human right" limited to, "in their homeland"?
I'm talking about our credit score system more generally.
Do you believe your credit score is voluntary? Can you choose whether or not to be listed with Experian? Can you do so practically?
You're way off the mark. The Chinese "social credit" system is nothing more than the American credit score model. And whether one is the government and one is private business doesn't matter one bit, because you have no say in the matter either way.
Are you a willing customer of Experian? Did you agree to any of it?
Yesterday, we saw an article about China's "social credit" policy, and there was much outrage and gnashing of teeth and moral superiority. People were all like, "why do we do business with China?" and so forth.
Someone please tell me how this is different from China's social credit policies.
There is no ban on sugary drinks in New York. If you require "alternative facts" to make your point, maybe your point just sucks.
Or are you lying out of "love" again?
The president keeps saying we're oil independent. Are you saying he's full of shit?