I'm a huge fan of primitive survival reality TV. I am also self-employed in web troubleshooting and hosting services....I happen to have a Toughbook CF-52
I hope someone got this guy's name. I think DHS might want to work up a profile. Just in case, you know?
Why do we need autonomous elevators? Why are we putting elevator operators out of work?
You make a good point. The first building I worked in out of college had an elevator operator and he was a cool old dude. Extremely helpful, and much much much more useful than the new digital building directory systems in place today. He could not only tell you which floor and suite you wanted, but he'd give helpful tips on the way up like, "his secretary seems nasty, but if you ask her about her kids in the photo on her desk, she'll be really nice and even bring you coffee while you're waiting for your appointment". For those in the know, he was also a horse-player and would give very good tips in races at Arlington Park. More than once he told me, "A sharp lad might want to put $10 on Lightning Switch in the 7th race today." One time he even gave me the 1-2-3 combination in the trifecta and made me over $300 bucks, which to a barely-paid mail-room boy was a lot of scratch. Let's see some Siri-fied automated building directory system do that. He would also make sure that if you were hustling to the elevator carrying boxes, he'd wait until you caught up. There were several banks of elevators in that building, all with elevator operators, and I'd use his every single time.
Hell yes we need to have elevator operators again.
I don't see how this is a worst threat than the current situation provided there plenty suicide bombers available.
Because brainwashing a suicide bomber takes time and effort and he can only be used once. And during that time and effort, there are lots of fail points and exposure to the authorities finding out about the suicide bomber. An individual hacking an AV to direct an attack doesn't require very much in the way of infrastructure or organization or time or effort beyond what is already in place. And the exploit (and it can hardly even be considered an exploit, since it's basically using an autonomous vehicle for what it was meant to do, which is go from location A to B). A suicide bomber requires an organization. The attack described in the article does not.
I don't mean to pee in the swimming pool here, but why again exactly do we need autonomous cars, and what's the rush? Have we run out of humans to drive cars? Are there not enough vehicles on the road? Is there full employment to the point where we need robots to drive commercial vehicles because there aren't enough drivers? And don't tell me, "it will be safer" because as long as there are human-driven vehicles sharing the road, it won't be one bit safer to have autonomous vehicles in the mix.
Every time I see a AV story here on Slashdot, I get the feeling someone is pushing an agenda. I mean, I don't give a shit one way or the other, but it really seems as though this one example of someone thinking about the possible negative ramifications of autonomous vehicles seems to make a certain group of slashdot readers really mad.
Federal Trade Commission (FTC) The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) was established as an independent administrative agency pursuant to the Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914. The purpose of the FTC is to enforce the provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act, which prohibits "unfair or deceptive acts or practices in commerce." The Clayton Antitrust Act (1914) also granted the FTC the authority to act against specific and unfair monopolistic practices. The FTC is considered to be a law enforcement agency, and like other such agencies it lacks punitive authority. Although the FTC cannot punish violators—that is the responsibility of the judicial system—it can issue cease and desist orders and argue cases in federal and administrative courts.
Today, the Federal Trade Commission serves an important function as a protector of both consumer and business rights. While the restrictions that it imposes on business practices often receive the most attention, other laws enforced by the FTC—such as the 1979 Franchise Rule, which directed franchisors to provide full disclosure of franchise information to prospective franchisees—have been of great benefit to entrepreneurs and small business owners.
Their private servers got hacked. In much the same way if I were to get mugged
Lots of people conflating individuals with corporations here.
If you leave the back door open and your customers' stuff gets stolen, you should be liable, criminally and civilly. Just as if you don't maintain your underwater oil rig properly, and there's a catastrophic blow-out and millions of gallons of crude get dumped into the ecosystem, you should be criminally liable.
What makes a system insecure? The system integration/networking? The software, especially third party software with its disclaimers about "no liability for implied merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose"?
None of that matters to the legislation. It can be very simple: If you expose people's private information, that your company has collected, then the CEO and board of directors do jail time.
You would see better security overnight.
It's funny how law and order only seem to apply to people who have to struggle for a living.
And why should it? For the sake of argument do you think the government should tell you that you MUST install a home security system, have dead bolts on every exterior door, require exterior doors be steel or solid wood, limit the side of windows to no more than 1" by 1" or require bars?
If you run a business, say, protecting other peoples' stuff then yes.
Additionally we should have some disclosure laws, just like food labels there need to be some standardized categories and forms companies that maintain any information that is personally identifiable other than firstname, lastname, current address, billing address, and primary phone number, should be required to disclose that on a standardized and both electronically readable and human readable format. Maybe a nice TML or INI like file.
So, let's get this straight. You're outraged that the government should tell a business that they MUST secure customer data, and at the same time you're OK with the government telling businesses that they MUST maintain certain information...which they then are not required to keep secure?
And why do techbro libertarians really not take the time to think their statements through?
Apologetics is a type of writing in defense of something. Early Christian apologists are Paul of Tarsus and later, St Augustine.
There are libraries full of apologetics, and one who practices apologetics is called an apologist.
In regard to the last assertion needing more citations, I think you could find more than you need by reading subject's own public statements. Try for yourself. Start by going back to last year's Hugo Awards for copious self-incrimination.
Look, mate, you are the ONLY person who EVER brings up MRAs into discussions like this one.
Wait, I thought I was the only person to bring MRAs into discussions like this one. I'm offended. And since I've copyrighted "whiny pissbaby MRAs", I demand that this discussion be taken down.
Also, Vox Day is one absolutely shitty writer. Imagine if Ayn Rand's African Grey Parrot wrote pedantic sci-fi fan fic and didn't have an editor. If you think I'm joking, go find one of his books (you won't be able to find any at torrent sites, because there is zero demand).
People signed up, people voted and the Sad Puppy/Rabid Puppy slate was soundly defeated by the equivalent of Deez Nuts. Whenever there are elections, the losers always cry, so it's not unexpected to see Breitbart and company crap on the floor in fury.
Summary trolls have been around since the early days of Slashdot. The editors got better at removing them and replacing the summary with a more balanced one, but I agree that in this case they could have done better.
It's a beautiful sunny Sunday in August, and anyone who has something better to do is doing it. Nobody is minding the store and the 8chan sewer is backing up. What you'd expect.
Oops, I see that the White Sox game is about to start. Ciao.
There will likely come a day when the robots can think for and program themselves and programming is no longer a useful occupation, but it will survive longer than most.
No doubt. But the question is whether it will survive as a decent middle-class career. Maybe "surviving" means those jobs all get sent to third world countries.
an education in anything can lead to a career that evaporates.
No. If you can write well, you'll always be able to get a job. Also HVAC. People will always want to live places that are too cold or too warm and will need heating and cooling.
I'm sure there are others.
what the fuck is your fucking point? why does that make any fucking difference on this topic?
I know it's late, but our little point on the discussion started in regard to why some people on Slashdot slag CS education, and I posited that maybe they know something you don't.
Normally I might feel the need to berate you for not answering the question of how
Well, my info on that is a little dated. I've been on three film sets where the budget was big enough for a script supervisor. The first was in the mid-80s, and it was all done by marking up one copy of the script by hand as shooting was going on and another while watching the dailies (the director and editor and script supervisor will watch quickly-developed film later that night).
The second was in the mid-90s, and there were video cameras running while the film was being shot. This way, script supervisors wouldn't have to wait for the dailies to get bicycled back from the lab (they call any transporting fresh film "bicycling").
The third was in 2003 and instead of video being shot on 3/4" tape, it was being shot with decent Sony cameras. There would be video of the set before the actors showed up (to note the shadows, placement of curtains and any other things that could possibly change). Laptops were used to review footage, but it was still being shot on tape (Hi-8 was what I saw, but hands were already talking about hard drive recording).
Now? Who knows. Maybe they have micro-drones flying around recording everything, and streaming the images to someone's Apple Watch or Oculus.
TV shows work the same way. Though I did see an episode of Arrow where in one scene Diggs' tie was loosened and in the over the shoulder, you could see it was nicely knotted in place. If you watch enough films, you'll notice lots of little continuity breaks that get left in. Maybe it was picked up in editing and the actor had already grown a beard for a new role and they didn't want (or couldn't afford) to re-shoot. Oh yeah, and my wife noticed that Oliver Queen's beard stubble sometimes changes length when he changes into his Arrow suit and back again. But my wife tends to notice Oliver Queen for some reason. I don't know what she sees in him when she has me.
If you were training in 1998 to be a specialist in adapting computer systems to Y2K, you might have seen big demand. For a little while. But demand for a little while does not a career make.
computer science is mind work.
So was designing trebuchets in the months leading up to the development of modern artillery. After that, it was mind work that nobody needed.
Things are moving quickly. Learning to assemble cars might have looked like a great job if you wanted to work at the Saturn plant in the '90s. Today, those jobs are gone. Not because they're not making cars any more, but because they're not making them where you are.
When you're getting educated for a career in a late-stage capitalist economy, you have to be ready for more than just one type of job. CS degrees won't mean the same thing in a decade that they do today.
In film, there's a person who's entire job is making sure that there is continuity from scene to scene (and from titles to credits). Sometimes they're called "continuity supervisor" but that's becoming less common. Usually, they're known as "script supervisor".
So if a character is wearing a hoodie zipped with the hood up in the closeup, the script supervisor makes sure that in the long shot of the character walking away he still has his hoodie zipped with the hood up. Since almost all movies are shot out of sequence, this becomes very important, and the script supervisor has to note all props, so if there's a glass filled 3/4 on a table where two characters are dining, the glass is still 3/4 full in the reaction shot, even though the reaction shot might be shot weeks or months later. Along with the lighting director, they match shadows and along with the costume director, match clothing.
If you ever want to see what a movie looks like when there is no script supervisor (or the script supervisor is stoned), watch Plan 9 From Outer Space by the great Ed Wood. Errors in continuity cause a very disorienting experience for the viewer. It's a fun movie, especially when you see a car pull up in a graveyard in broad daylight and then there's a cut to people exiting the car and it's the middle of the night. You probably have already heard the stories. Bela Lugosi died during filming, so they shot some scenes with someone who was several inches taller and years younger, except he held his cape in front of his face, Dracula style.
Some film makers have used continuity breaks to great effect. For example, the 1940s art film "Meshes of the Afternoon" by Maya Deren is hallucinogenic in its continuity breaks. This film has influenced generations of filmmakers, including current guys like Darren Aronofsky, David Lynch and even more mainstream filmmakers. Also, a generation of Japanese horror directors pay tribute to Maya Deren and her shocking breaks from continuity.
Here, go watch Meshes of the Afternoon right now and see what I mean. It's only like 10 minutes long, so relax a bit and watch the whole thing. It's very trippy. The music is also very very good.
for what retarded agenda is this propaganda drumbeat against CS education on slashdot anyway?
It might be because people with CS degrees have entered the workforce and have realized that for people with CS majors, the tech industry is becoming the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory of the future.
Just because some tech field offers jobs today doesn't mean that it's going to offer careers ten years from now. The question is, do you want this as a career? Do you want to spend your time learning something that might not mean anything five years into your working life? A lot of people who work in tech are figuring out that for a lot of people, CS programs are bait and switch scams.
We're always going to need people who can weld, even if it's for artisanal products.
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I hope someone got this guy's name. I think DHS might want to work up a profile. Just in case, you know?
You make a good point. The first building I worked in out of college had an elevator operator and he was a cool old dude. Extremely helpful, and much much much more useful than the new digital building directory systems in place today. He could not only tell you which floor and suite you wanted, but he'd give helpful tips on the way up like, "his secretary seems nasty, but if you ask her about her kids in the photo on her desk, she'll be really nice and even bring you coffee while you're waiting for your appointment". For those in the know, he was also a horse-player and would give very good tips in races at Arlington Park. More than once he told me, "A sharp lad might want to put $10 on Lightning Switch in the 7th race today." One time he even gave me the 1-2-3 combination in the trifecta and made me over $300 bucks, which to a barely-paid mail-room boy was a lot of scratch. Let's see some Siri-fied automated building directory system do that. He would also make sure that if you were hustling to the elevator carrying boxes, he'd wait until you caught up. There were several banks of elevators in that building, all with elevator operators, and I'd use his every single time.
Hell yes we need to have elevator operators again.
Because brainwashing a suicide bomber takes time and effort and he can only be used once. And during that time and effort, there are lots of fail points and exposure to the authorities finding out about the suicide bomber. An individual hacking an AV to direct an attack doesn't require very much in the way of infrastructure or organization or time or effort beyond what is already in place. And the exploit (and it can hardly even be considered an exploit, since it's basically using an autonomous vehicle for what it was meant to do, which is go from location A to B). A suicide bomber requires an organization. The attack described in the article does not.
I don't mean to pee in the swimming pool here, but why again exactly do we need autonomous cars, and what's the rush? Have we run out of humans to drive cars? Are there not enough vehicles on the road? Is there full employment to the point where we need robots to drive commercial vehicles because there aren't enough drivers? And don't tell me, "it will be safer" because as long as there are human-driven vehicles sharing the road, it won't be one bit safer to have autonomous vehicles in the mix.
Every time I see a AV story here on Slashdot, I get the feeling someone is pushing an agenda. I mean, I don't give a shit one way or the other, but it really seems as though this one example of someone thinking about the possible negative ramifications of autonomous vehicles seems to make a certain group of slashdot readers really mad.
Are you looking forward to some rich bastard using you for pleasure once robots do to workers what automation did for horses?
Except, the FTC is most definitely a law enforcement body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/to...
Emphasis added.
So that's why I didn't get my drugs, tobacco and pornography this month.
Lots of people conflating individuals with corporations here.
If you leave the back door open and your customers' stuff gets stolen, you should be liable, criminally and civilly. Just as if you don't maintain your underwater oil rig properly, and there's a catastrophic blow-out and millions of gallons of crude get dumped into the ecosystem, you should be criminally liable.
My wife says it already is.
Now you tell me.
None of that matters to the legislation. It can be very simple: If you expose people's private information, that your company has collected, then the CEO and board of directors do jail time.
You would see better security overnight.
It's funny how law and order only seem to apply to people who have to struggle for a living.
If you run a business, say, protecting other peoples' stuff then yes.
So, let's get this straight. You're outraged that the government should tell a business that they MUST secure customer data, and at the same time you're OK with the government telling businesses that they MUST maintain certain information...which they then are not required to keep secure?
And why do techbro libertarians really not take the time to think their statements through?
The "free market"...it's a cookbook!
Apologetics is a type of writing in defense of something. Early Christian apologists are Paul of Tarsus and later, St Augustine.
There are libraries full of apologetics, and one who practices apologetics is called an apologist.
In regard to the last assertion needing more citations, I think you could find more than you need by reading subject's own public statements. Try for yourself. Start by going back to last year's Hugo Awards for copious self-incrimination.
Will someone just please make me a coffee table where the surface is a touchscreen?
And make it resistant to bean dip and highball glasses. And my stinky feet.
You came all the way here to Slashdot just to say that?
Wait, I thought I was the only person to bring MRAs into discussions like this one. I'm offended. And since I've copyrighted "whiny pissbaby MRAs", I demand that this discussion be taken down.
Also, Vox Day is one absolutely shitty writer. Imagine if Ayn Rand's African Grey Parrot wrote pedantic sci-fi fan fic and didn't have an editor. If you think I'm joking, go find one of his books (you won't be able to find any at torrent sites, because there is zero demand).
People signed up, people voted and the Sad Puppy/Rabid Puppy slate was soundly defeated by the equivalent of Deez Nuts. Whenever there are elections, the losers always cry, so it's not unexpected to see Breitbart and company crap on the floor in fury.
It's a beautiful sunny Sunday in August, and anyone who has something better to do is doing it. Nobody is minding the store and the 8chan sewer is backing up. What you'd expect.
Oops, I see that the White Sox game is about to start. Ciao.
I've heard of Beer Goggles, but never Wine Windows. I'm willing to learn.
No doubt. But the question is whether it will survive as a decent middle-class career. Maybe "surviving" means those jobs all get sent to third world countries.
I'd keep my passport updated if I were you.
No. If you can write well, you'll always be able to get a job. Also HVAC. People will always want to live places that are too cold or too warm and will need heating and cooling.
I'm sure there are others.
I know it's late, but our little point on the discussion started in regard to why some people on Slashdot slag CS education, and I posited that maybe they know something you don't.
Well, my info on that is a little dated. I've been on three film sets where the budget was big enough for a script supervisor. The first was in the mid-80s, and it was all done by marking up one copy of the script by hand as shooting was going on and another while watching the dailies (the director and editor and script supervisor will watch quickly-developed film later that night).
The second was in the mid-90s, and there were video cameras running while the film was being shot. This way, script supervisors wouldn't have to wait for the dailies to get bicycled back from the lab (they call any transporting fresh film "bicycling").
The third was in 2003 and instead of video being shot on 3/4" tape, it was being shot with decent Sony cameras. There would be video of the set before the actors showed up (to note the shadows, placement of curtains and any other things that could possibly change). Laptops were used to review footage, but it was still being shot on tape (Hi-8 was what I saw, but hands were already talking about hard drive recording).
Now? Who knows. Maybe they have micro-drones flying around recording everything, and streaming the images to someone's Apple Watch or Oculus.
TV shows work the same way. Though I did see an episode of Arrow where in one scene Diggs' tie was loosened and in the over the shoulder, you could see it was nicely knotted in place. If you watch enough films, you'll notice lots of little continuity breaks that get left in. Maybe it was picked up in editing and the actor had already grown a beard for a new role and they didn't want (or couldn't afford) to re-shoot. Oh yeah, and my wife noticed that Oliver Queen's beard stubble sometimes changes length when he changes into his Arrow suit and back again. But my wife tends to notice Oliver Queen for some reason. I don't know what she sees in him when she has me.
Supply and demand, but when? And where?
If you were training in 1998 to be a specialist in adapting computer systems to Y2K, you might have seen big demand. For a little while. But demand for a little while does not a career make.
So was designing trebuchets in the months leading up to the development of modern artillery. After that, it was mind work that nobody needed.
Things are moving quickly. Learning to assemble cars might have looked like a great job if you wanted to work at the Saturn plant in the '90s. Today, those jobs are gone. Not because they're not making cars any more, but because they're not making them where you are.
When you're getting educated for a career in a late-stage capitalist economy, you have to be ready for more than just one type of job. CS degrees won't mean the same thing in a decade that they do today.
In film, there's a person who's entire job is making sure that there is continuity from scene to scene (and from titles to credits). Sometimes they're called "continuity supervisor" but that's becoming less common. Usually, they're known as "script supervisor".
So if a character is wearing a hoodie zipped with the hood up in the closeup, the script supervisor makes sure that in the long shot of the character walking away he still has his hoodie zipped with the hood up. Since almost all movies are shot out of sequence, this becomes very important, and the script supervisor has to note all props, so if there's a glass filled 3/4 on a table where two characters are dining, the glass is still 3/4 full in the reaction shot, even though the reaction shot might be shot weeks or months later. Along with the lighting director, they match shadows and along with the costume director, match clothing.
If you ever want to see what a movie looks like when there is no script supervisor (or the script supervisor is stoned), watch Plan 9 From Outer Space by the great Ed Wood. Errors in continuity cause a very disorienting experience for the viewer. It's a fun movie, especially when you see a car pull up in a graveyard in broad daylight and then there's a cut to people exiting the car and it's the middle of the night. You probably have already heard the stories. Bela Lugosi died during filming, so they shot some scenes with someone who was several inches taller and years younger, except he held his cape in front of his face, Dracula style.
Some film makers have used continuity breaks to great effect. For example, the 1940s art film "Meshes of the Afternoon" by Maya Deren is hallucinogenic in its continuity breaks. This film has influenced generations of filmmakers, including current guys like Darren Aronofsky, David Lynch and even more mainstream filmmakers. Also, a generation of Japanese horror directors pay tribute to Maya Deren and her shocking breaks from continuity.
Here, go watch Meshes of the Afternoon right now and see what I mean. It's only like 10 minutes long, so relax a bit and watch the whole thing. It's very trippy. The music is also very very good.
https://youtu.be/YSY0TA-ttMA
It might be because people with CS degrees have entered the workforce and have realized that for people with CS majors, the tech industry is becoming the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory of the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Just because some tech field offers jobs today doesn't mean that it's going to offer careers ten years from now. The question is, do you want this as a career? Do you want to spend your time learning something that might not mean anything five years into your working life? A lot of people who work in tech are figuring out that for a lot of people, CS programs are bait and switch scams.
We're always going to need people who can weld, even if it's for artisanal products.
Now it appears that the Slashdot editors are joining in with the cow trolling.
When I say "cow", you say, "moo".