Bringing scientific facts to a Slashdot discussion is like bringing a neutron bomb to a slap fight. It will settle things for people, but the ACs and trolls will continue to argue as if nothing happened. Like cockroaches.
So basically the mesothelioma death rate (from all causes, not just asbestos related) went from 1.396 per 100,000 to 1.093 per 100,000 per year.. Or a reduction of 0.3 per 100,000 per year. That puts the benefit of banning asbestos at the very bottom of the list of causes of death [fivethirtyeight.com], even if you assume 100% of mesothelioma was caused by asbestos.
Well now, hold on. The generation that was exposed to asbestos is still working it's way through the demographic meat-grinder. It was partially banned in 1973 and really still showed up in a lot of products through the late 1980s. So wouldn't it be a little early to draw assumptions like the one you're making? Maybe it would be better to wait and see what happens to the rate of mesothelioma deaths once the generation that has grown up asbestos-free hits their 60s and 70s.
Except we won't be able to do that, since the degenerate administration in charge will now allow asbestos again. Oh well. It'll probably only be for a short time, but it will still complicate the analysis. It will be seen as another part of the shameful Trump legacy.
"mesothelioma deaths decreased among persons aged 35–44, 45–54, and 55–64 years".
Of course mesothelioma deaths have decreased.Asbestos has been banned since 1973.
A decrease in mesothelioma deaths thanks to a ban on asbestos is no reason to end a ban on asbestos. It's proof that the ban is working, and saves lives.
The space program is some 4-chan political ideology in your damaged brain?
No, deciding who does and who does not belong on Slashdot is 4-chan political ideology.
It you can't see that space program technology could make e.g. medical care cheaper or better, then, yes, GTFO.
Maybe you can explain to us how weaponizing satellites will make health care cheaper and/or better, you fake nerd. A "Space Force" does not a space program make.
In the past I would've strongly agreed with your point about borrowing money from China, but the truth is, they have borrowed from China in US dollars, meaning the debt can be effectively wiped at any time. The 2008 financial crisis most drove home this fact for me, in that Chinese holdings were significantly devalued through all the quantitative easing.
Have you ever thought what happens to the dollar if the US 'wipes" it's debt? Which countries are going to buy it's treasuries? And if China should suddenly stop buying US treasuries? Economic pain like nobody knows. And if China were to start selling those securities it has? Game over, Rover.
Not sure about any of the facts you stated (i.e., 120 billion borrowed almost entirely from China), but borrowing money from a country in order to build defenses against said country seems kind of smart. If they attack or there is any kind of military action between the countries, no repayment necessary.
This isn't Civilization IV, you knucklehead. A nation's defenses are more than just its weapons. Didn't you ever read Sun Tzu?
If China decided to stop buying (or holding) US debt, you'd be out of work by the end of next week. We're in that tenuous of a position. The dollar would crash, inflation would skyrocket and it wouldn't take all that long before you're doing Grapes of Wrath cosplay. Your orbital super-defense systems would be as worthless as a used Atlas booster on the bottom of the sea.
People who don't see the value in going to space should just leave Slashdot; this is a site for nerds.
I see value in going to space. I see greater value in having a population that is not in crushing medical debt. Greater value in keeping asbestos out of building materials. Greater value in clean water and stewardship of the environment instead of a self-dealing cabal of sleazoids looking to steal everything that's not nailed down.
And who the fuck are you to be arbiter of who should and who shouldn't leave Slashdot? What makes you think you got balls big enough to tell someone to leave just because they don't subscribe to your 4-chan political ideology?
At least be consistent with your bias. If voter fraud implies fraud by voters, election fraud implies fraud by election workers, which are not "The government" they are local volunteers and workers.
No, you've got it wrong again. The fraud is being perpetrated by elected officials and their appointees, not "election workers" in the sense of the people who show up to work polls. It's happening from the county level right up to the statewide official level. Just look at two secretaries of state that are currently running for governor: Kris Kobach of Kansas and Brian Kemp of Georgia. Both men are as corrupt as the day is long and are barely staying one step ahead of the courts (who are closing in, nonetheless). Kobach is now overseeing a recount in his own election. The self-dealing, fraud and outright theft with these guys is astonishing.
so this isn't a huge expansion of the defense budget, more a realignment of existing expenditures.
Horseshit. There's already been a $120 billion increase in the defense budget this year, and the DoD has already requested another $12 billion just to begin the process of realignment. Have you ever heard of an additional government agency that didn't cost more money? How much do you think it cost just to put on Pence's little ceremony today announcing the Space Force? How much will the grand military parade Trump is planning for November cost taxpayers (and China)?
It's main proposed purpose is to protect the US (and it's allies) from space based attacks which are not primarily of a physical nature but more technological.
OK, so we're going to be protected from the Klingon empire. Noted.
It's not like this is way out there either as China has already made claims about some of their satellite based 'defensive' capabilities.
You know that additional $120 billion that we're spending on the military this year? It's almost entirely borrowed from China. Goddamn, man, do you not see the folly of going into debt to the country so you can build defenses against that country?
We got people who can't afford to go to the doctor, but these jackoffs want to play outer space.
Deficits exploding, but they're acting like we got money to burn. Wages going down for working people, and these geniuses think they're going to put jackbooted space troopers on Mars. Probably have a big Trump parade up there, too.
I mean, Pence is a guy who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old and there's no evolution, but he's spearheading a Space Force that's going to be paid for with money borrowed from China, with whom we just started a trade war. Oh, we are so fucked.
Can't wait to see Alex Jones show "Google, Apple, et all" who's boss.
That would be something to see. But he's going to have to sell a lot of bogus supplements and snake oil to compete with Apple, who is now a trillion dollar corporation.
The Alex Jones de-platforming brouhaha has frightened a lot of content creators.
The tiny group of particular "content creators" you're talking about should be scared. It was only because of the brief rise of the "alt-right" that they felt they could show their faces in society. There was a time when they had to meet in secret in basements and pass grubby pamphlets around in subway stations. If we're going to exist as a civil society, that time needs to return.
We saw the rise of fascist and white supremacist groups before in our history, and it took a great deal of suffering and cost to put them down Hopefully this time it can be caught early. Look at how well it worked with Milo. Remember him? What was the last time you heard anything from that piece of garbage?
So voter fraud doesn't exist but "shenanigans" are going on?
Voter fraud implies fraud by voters. That's not happening. What we have in places like Georgia is election fraud. The government itself is cooking the books.
What happened is that Habersham county changed the voting districts twice in the last few years. It went from 14 to 2 and then in 2016 to 5 voting precincts. In the 2016 election, Habersham county had 20,380 registered voters of which 13,890 actually voted. Voting districts tend to be areas containing the same number of people, so a fifth of 20,380 registered is about 4,166, and a fifth of 13,890 would be about 2,778.
That's entirely conjecture. All I did was state the facts clearly. Your narrative doesn't match up with reality.
First, the Habersham voting districts are not equally divided. Second, the census most certainly measures voting districts. Since Mud Creek is in the most rural area of Habersham, it makes sense that it would be a smaller population than the other voting district. Third, it is most definitely NOT up to the "local people" to update the Secretary of State's website. The current voting age population of Mud Creek voting district is just over 2100. That either means they're registering children to vote in Mud Creek or there's shenanigans going on.
Mud Creek is overwhelmingly one party. It is the same party as the Secretary of State, who is now running for governor of Georgia. He's being sued for disenfranchising minority voters, elderly voters and young voters. I'm going to let you guys guess which party it is. Here's a hint: it's the party that is constantly crying about voter fraud that doesn't exist.
Also, to the AC in this comments thread who redundantly posts that it was actually 670 voters of 3,704 registered voters, you should know that on election day, the aforementioned Secretary of State's own website showed that Mud Creek only had 276 registered voters. Magically after 670 votes were cast in Mud Creek, the Secretary of State's website was changed to say that there were actually 3,704 registered voters and not 276 as previously stated. Mud Creek's total population as of the 2010 census was fewer than 2,000 souls (men, women and children).
Well I live in New Zealand, one of those countries which has this tick -- in fact we only have two tick species here and this is one of them.
Neither our cattle, sheep nor people have been brought to their knees by this pest and the countryside isn't over-run with a red tide of invading creatures.
The tick also injects a neuro-toxic venom that makes you think all your wildlife are still OK and haven't been sucked dry.
The again, remember the president is not omnipowerful, even though everyone would like you to think that way. Congress is the one with the overall power, the president just has some money, some people that work at his pleasure, and overall attention.
We have a Congress who has ceded all of its power to a unitary executive.
I like your style, but everything else you said is horseshit.
Maybe Idaho like potatos. Maybe Iowa likes corn. Maybe Washington likes apples, or Florida oranges.
It is also quite clear from your post history that you really do not like Trump. Like you really, really do not like Trump. If you were less vehemently opposed to him, I might take what you say a lot more seriously.
I don't think you get how this works. You don't have to be in favor of someone to criticize them. In fact, the most critical people might be the ones who are...most critical.
However, if you do have some third party systematic analysis of this that you have used to form your own opinion, I would be more than happy to read it and change my mind.
Brother, you've come to the right place:
Here is a comprehensive list of every false claim Donald Trump has made since Inauguration Day to two weeks ago, listed in reverse chronological order and cross-referenced by topic. There are 2,083, and again, that's not counting the past two weeks. Each false claim is accompanied by a citation, and apparently they were pretty conservative when making this list because I can name at least 24 false claims not listed here that Trump made in June and July. This list is under continual review and has been open to challenges. None have been successful so far. Other such projects have put the number at just over 3,000, but let's give our big, wet, boy the benefit of the doubt, shall we?
Now, the most expansive (and I do mean expansive) list of the false claims of Barack Obama, assembled by a some nutty alt-right too-crazy-for-Breitbart blogger out of rural Pennsylvania, is 1,375. And that's over eight years. Trump as amassed his 2,083 over the course of 1.5 years. That puts him on course to out-lie Barack Obama by a ten to one margin.
So yes, we haven't seen anything of this scale before. Also, we haven't seen a degenerate president collude with a hostile foreign power to sway an election and attempt to pay them back with policy. So ithe difference isn't just qualitative, it's quantitative. Treason trumps hyperbole every time.
Every political group has this play in their playbook and it is hardly unique to this administration.
Yes, but none of us have ever seen it used at anywhere near the scale we're seeing it now.
And also, none of us have ever seen this strategy applied to crimes up to and including making deals with foreign powers to steal elections and then paying them back with policy. Even Nixon had the good taste to use all-American burglars to get dirt on his enemies. Collusion with a foreign power at this level hasn't been seen in way over a century (I don't remember farther back than that, so I can't say).
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Bringing scientific facts to a Slashdot discussion is like bringing a neutron bomb to a slap fight. It will settle things for people, but the ACs and trolls will continue to argue as if nothing happened. Like cockroaches.
Well now, hold on. The generation that was exposed to asbestos is still working it's way through the demographic meat-grinder. It was partially banned in 1973 and really still showed up in a lot of products through the late 1980s. So wouldn't it be a little early to draw assumptions like the one you're making? Maybe it would be better to wait and see what happens to the rate of mesothelioma deaths once the generation that has grown up asbestos-free hits their 60s and 70s.
Except we won't be able to do that, since the degenerate administration in charge will now allow asbestos again. Oh well. It'll probably only be for a short time, but it will still complicate the analysis. It will be seen as another part of the shameful Trump legacy.
Of course mesothelioma deaths have decreased.Asbestos has been banned since 1973.
A decrease in mesothelioma deaths thanks to a ban on asbestos is no reason to end a ban on asbestos. It's proof that the ban is working, and saves lives.
No, deciding who does and who does not belong on Slashdot is 4-chan political ideology.
Maybe you can explain to us how weaponizing satellites will make health care cheaper and/or better, you fake nerd. A "Space Force" does not a space program make.
Have you ever thought what happens to the dollar if the US 'wipes" it's debt? Which countries are going to buy it's treasuries? And if China should suddenly stop buying US treasuries? Economic pain like nobody knows. And if China were to start selling those securities it has? Game over, Rover.
This isn't Civilization IV, you knucklehead. A nation's defenses are more than just its weapons. Didn't you ever read Sun Tzu?
If China decided to stop buying (or holding) US debt, you'd be out of work by the end of next week. We're in that tenuous of a position. The dollar would crash, inflation would skyrocket and it wouldn't take all that long before you're doing Grapes of Wrath cosplay. Your orbital super-defense systems would be as worthless as a used Atlas booster on the bottom of the sea.
The Space Force is not a "space program". It's the explicit militarization of something that should never be militarized.
And if you wanted a space program, you shouldn't have blown up the deficit with tax cuts for the rich while fucking regular people.
I see value in going to space. I see greater value in having a population that is not in crushing medical debt. Greater value in keeping asbestos out of building materials. Greater value in clean water and stewardship of the environment instead of a self-dealing cabal of sleazoids looking to steal everything that's not nailed down.
And who the fuck are you to be arbiter of who should and who shouldn't leave Slashdot? What makes you think you got balls big enough to tell someone to leave just because they don't subscribe to your 4-chan political ideology?
Becoming indebted to a country you expect to have to fight is folly no matter what. It takes more than a weapon to insure defense.
No, you've got it wrong again. The fraud is being perpetrated by elected officials and their appointees, not "election workers" in the sense of the people who show up to work polls. It's happening from the county level right up to the statewide official level. Just look at two secretaries of state that are currently running for governor: Kris Kobach of Kansas and Brian Kemp of Georgia. Both men are as corrupt as the day is long and are barely staying one step ahead of the courts (who are closing in, nonetheless). Kobach is now overseeing a recount in his own election. The self-dealing, fraud and outright theft with these guys is astonishing.
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You're right. There is much to be thankful for.
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Horseshit. There's already been a $120 billion increase in the defense budget this year, and the DoD has already requested another $12 billion just to begin the process of realignment. Have you ever heard of an additional government agency that didn't cost more money? How much do you think it cost just to put on Pence's little ceremony today announcing the Space Force? How much will the grand military parade Trump is planning for November cost taxpayers (and China)?
OK, so we're going to be protected from the Klingon empire. Noted.
You know that additional $120 billion that we're spending on the military this year? It's almost entirely borrowed from China. Goddamn, man, do you not see the folly of going into debt to the country so you can build defenses against that country?
We got people who can't afford to go to the doctor, but these jackoffs want to play outer space.
Deficits exploding, but they're acting like we got money to burn. Wages going down for working people, and these geniuses think they're going to put jackbooted space troopers on Mars. Probably have a big Trump parade up there, too.
I mean, Pence is a guy who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old and there's no evolution, but he's spearheading a Space Force that's going to be paid for with money borrowed from China, with whom we just started a trade war. Oh, we are so fucked.
That would be something to see. But he's going to have to sell a lot of bogus supplements and snake oil to compete with Apple, who is now a trillion dollar corporation.
The tiny group of particular "content creators" you're talking about should be scared. It was only because of the brief rise of the "alt-right" that they felt they could show their faces in society. There was a time when they had to meet in secret in basements and pass grubby pamphlets around in subway stations. If we're going to exist as a civil society, that time needs to return.
We saw the rise of fascist and white supremacist groups before in our history, and it took a great deal of suffering and cost to put them down Hopefully this time it can be caught early. Look at how well it worked with Milo. Remember him? What was the last time you heard anything from that piece of garbage?
Voter fraud implies fraud by voters. That's not happening. What we have in places like Georgia is election fraud. The government itself is cooking the books.
That's entirely conjecture. All I did was state the facts clearly. Your narrative doesn't match up with reality.
First, the Habersham voting districts are not equally divided. Second, the census most certainly measures voting districts. Since Mud Creek is in the most rural area of Habersham, it makes sense that it would be a smaller population than the other voting district. Third, it is most definitely NOT up to the "local people" to update the Secretary of State's website. The current voting age population of Mud Creek voting district is just over 2100. That either means they're registering children to vote in Mud Creek or there's shenanigans going on.
Mud Creek is overwhelmingly one party. It is the same party as the Secretary of State, who is now running for governor of Georgia. He's being sued for disenfranchising minority voters, elderly voters and young voters. I'm going to let you guys guess which party it is. Here's a hint: it's the party that is constantly crying about voter fraud that doesn't exist.
Also, to the AC in this comments thread who redundantly posts that it was actually 670 voters of 3,704 registered voters, you should know that on election day, the aforementioned Secretary of State's own website showed that Mud Creek only had 276 registered voters. Magically after 670 votes were cast in Mud Creek, the Secretary of State's website was changed to say that there were actually 3,704 registered voters and not 276 as previously stated. Mud Creek's total population as of the 2010 census was fewer than 2,000 souls (men, women and children).
The tick also injects a neuro-toxic venom that makes you think all your wildlife are still OK and haven't been sucked dry.
Sometimes I wish I had a Scottish accent so I could say, "Ah, fook off wit yer camera, ya bawbag, 'fore I burst yer mooth."
Maybe this is why I keep getting Brad Pitt's text messages by accident.
See? Immigrants do the job that Americans won't do.
We have a Congress who has ceded all of its power to a unitary executive.
I like your style, but everything else you said is horseshit.
Maybe Alabama likes slaves. Maybe California likes emissions standards. Maybe Colorado likes weed. Maybe Louisiana likes undocumented workers, or Georgia pedophiles.
As I said, horseshit, but I still think you're OK, grep -v '.*' *.
I don't think you get how this works. You don't have to be in favor of someone to criticize them. In fact, the most critical people might be the ones who are...most critical.
Brother, you've come to the right place:
Here is a comprehensive list of every false claim Donald Trump has made since Inauguration Day to two weeks ago, listed in reverse chronological order and cross-referenced by topic. There are 2,083, and again, that's not counting the past two weeks. Each false claim is accompanied by a citation, and apparently they were pretty conservative when making this list because I can name at least 24 false claims not listed here that Trump made in June and July. This list is under continual review and has been open to challenges. None have been successful so far. Other such projects have put the number at just over 3,000, but let's give our big, wet, boy the benefit of the doubt, shall we?
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Now, the most expansive (and I do mean expansive) list of the false claims of Barack Obama, assembled by a some nutty alt-right too-crazy-for-Breitbart blogger out of rural Pennsylvania, is 1,375. And that's over eight years. Trump as amassed his 2,083 over the course of 1.5 years. That puts him on course to out-lie Barack Obama by a ten to one margin.
So yes, we haven't seen anything of this scale before. Also, we haven't seen a degenerate president collude with a hostile foreign power to sway an election and attempt to pay them back with policy. So ithe difference isn't just qualitative, it's quantitative. Treason trumps hyperbole every time.
Yes, but none of us have ever seen it used at anywhere near the scale we're seeing it now.
And also, none of us have ever seen this strategy applied to crimes up to and including making deals with foreign powers to steal elections and then paying them back with policy. Even Nixon had the good taste to use all-American burglars to get dirt on his enemies. Collusion with a foreign power at this level hasn't been seen in way over a century (I don't remember farther back than that, so I can't say).