I'm pretty sure that the car industry allready has naming practices for new components. There are a few funny instances of cross cultural marketing translations. I have a document with a big list. It's amusing how many companys that went transnational during the 80's managed to screw up slogans etc. Thankfully the 90's sure a new awareness through most organisations about these types of issues. However there is still a huge market for people on mutlicultural (I.e this particular example) and crosscultural issues, in marketing and planning.
One good one.
Pepsi's : Choice of a New Generation
In Indonessian (Bahasa Indonesia): Pepsi brings your ancestors back from the dead.
Nikes symbol means somthing in one of the midle eastern scripts, and it's not nice either =-).
Their are numerous other ones like this. Basically it's the same base issue, not making the culture checks, which are just a normal polite way.
Your sort of proving my point here. The lower status jobs, and those which are ladder based (I.e McDonald Management chain), are operated by Woman because they can be the only way in for many. It's often you find l women being passivly descriminated against especially in fast paced carrears because of a perception that they will be less comitted. This of course is bollocks.
I don't know about your example, but it seems like your again proving my point by implying that this is the sterotypical case. In fact showing the very real passive discrimination that your calling bullshit.
Performance differences are negligble between male and females. As for the pay inequity and oportunity, don't beleive me, go find any Industrial Organisation, Management, HR, Or Organisational PSychology text, and you are sure to find more exact figures supporting these claims. The Penndulum will only stop when people don't use Gender to provide explanatory differences. Especially in an equal field like food service industry. The employee you talk about most likely was crap, but i'm sure it had nothing to do with gender as you imply.
Hmm. I think rather than disapear they become tabooed, to disapear a word is next to impossible with our current technological documentation of language. To make a new one up is easy. =-)
Exactly right. Unfortunately these well known technical definitions, don't stay in thier technical context forever. If this were the only meanings then there wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately not everyone understands or uses these terms for the way You or I may.
It's like how some languages commons words for yes and no sound like obsenitys in english. Speakers of these languages just don't use them around english speakers.
The same.
I'm not advocated one side over the other (Hmm maybe I am a little), But censorhsip at this level is not going to work and is unliberal. If someone up the design standards ladders a long time ago had understood, these simple rules of politeness we wouldn't be here today. =-)
Sorry no offence intended, I was tyring to illustrate that dominant groups tend to underemphasise the plight of others. As for the white male comment, it's directly related to the Internet usages statistics survey, and in no ways is meant as a Jibe.
I am aware of the situation in Sudan, and most of these arguments have no relation to skin colour, and are equally valid for religion, creed, family affiliation. In fact any sort of perceived shared common fate.
Ok You want a good overview on how people view feminism, and just how intergratively weak your definition is have a look at Potter & Weatherall, 1987 (Discourse and Social Psychology). Feminism unfortunately has a rather large and (Rather unjustiied) sterotype, associated with it which you sum up nicely. Let me tell you somthing, your not 100% wrong , but neither do you cover even a small percentage of what feminism actually represents.
The study i'm refering to wasn't even conducted in a feminist vein, it was originally implemented to understand how metaphors highlight certain information... to use your Feminists complaining about skyscrapers rockets...., i.e Feminism (forgive the lang) and Phalic Imagery contempt. And also how they hide information. In this case that Feminism has nothing to do with your long ago dismissed fruedian notions of penis envy.
Whats your say about minority groups tells me two things, 1- that you can't undestand the simple notion of subjective empathy. Your male you know that women get payed less, hold lower status positions, and must work harder than male counterparts, to attain these. Yet you question how simple gendered/categorical language makes a difference. WAKE UP, it does, it effects how people perceive each other, because it makes available categorys to place people into, if that has negative conoctations, then in a moral society that world drops from ussage, and powerfull tabooos come into place to ensure it remians there see nigger. Gendered language does this, master/slave is a little less strong of an argument, i agree, 2 - That you appreciate that things need to be run smoothly. In that case why make such a huge stink over somthing that, in all fairness shouldn't effect you... if you only understand master/slave in this one operationalisation, but I doubt very much you do. Unless you do understand all the points above but for some reason choose to ignore them. Your extreme case formulation does illustrate one good point, and that is that we need categories to communicate.
So who would you contest has the most equally valid viewpoint in this debate?
That language does not facilitate discrimination, through continued use of segregative language. (Even when this application is not that which was originally intended). I.e those in power's socially dominant attitude... The more valid point of view. =-P.
Or that Continued use of these terms does lead to conceptual differentiation, and thus discrimination, because similar target domains are represented by the "Unintentional" use.
I.e That those who may be discriminated against... don't matter.
The best way to tell who is the dominant group is to observe the attitudes in it's intrests pervades socieity. (Social Dominance Theory.... See Turner et al, Wilson M, 2003, in British Journal of Social Psyc for a good arguement for and against SDO).
Using your idiot example, I would conclude that Smart people are the domiant group, using your hypersensitive example I would conclude that Numbed individuals form the dominant group. Not to far from the thruth, and certainly these sentiments pervade a lot of our pop culture. This social representation of a Smart, Numbed individuals.
If you follow this argument, and your are a morally just individual, then you would probably lean towards those in power (Those smart, numbed people) making a judgement call that perhaps it's best to protect the dumb, hypersensitives.
After all the Smart Numbed ones, obviously have little power to change their situation.
I wondered when we would steer back to this. I agree censorship should be the decision of the viewer, I beleive this is the only real "Moral" way of viewing enacting protection. Of course you get into problems in todays society of mass media, and marketing where the choice to view somthing is either out of your control or requires too much effort to warrant.
I think this is the key issue here, as already mentioned the use of gendered sexual terminology is actually standardised as part of ANSI egineering standards. This is potencially a far worse thing than master/slave. But it's a similar issue.
The fact that there is an industry standards body who dictates what these little bits of wire and plastic are called, takes said ability to self censor away. The general public can't NOT use these terms to gain access to these bits of plastic. for the M/F argument there is that the labeling of such Bits of plastic emphasises the inequality. The inequality part is the same as for the Master/Slave. It's the perception that the Social dominant group (The Tech manufacturers and Industry standards organisations) are proliferating these concepts, from which there is no escape.
You know what, there is good evidence that this isn't too far from the truth. It may be innocent conception in the lab, but it has real concequences for those groups to which the sterotypes are applied to, maybe not because of the engineers, but because of the fact it's a self perpetuating prophsy, than maintains the traditional notion of segregation.
Theory is all i'm arguing for here. Government intervention needs to occur not at this level but at the organisational standards level, and I beleive that this has occured during the 90's where MOST, not ALL standards bodies are aware of these issues now and that it's worth spending another 10 minutes thinking of equally appropriate descriptions than enraging alot of people. Once somthing like this is in it's a few slow road to change the name.
I appreciate that, the availability heuristc of the WTC is also vastly more in play because of the established media and surronding discourse. Just because it's more widely publicied gives it no more relvance to this argument. I'm sure the thousands of familys who's children are taken forcbly are just as sensitive about this issue as the thousands of americans are towards the WTC. Yours is just an argument of who can complain the loudest. It's simple philosophy. And it's why attempted murder and murder are pretty much equal in the eye's of the law.
Damm strait I can. I knew this guy at highschool, his parents were wealthy and imigrated from PNG when he was 16. They "Employeed" 2 PNG "Natives" the who if I get the story right, were forced to work "pro bono" for the parent because their sun did something to some livestock...
Might I also add the sex slave trade in the Lower European quater is pretty active I hear. I also hear the same from parts of South east asia...
1: They didn't do ANY 64bit tests
2: The A64 was running on winxp pro not winxp 64. This would have been a much better comparison.
3: The memory bandwidth description is WRONG. the via k8t800 chipset actually has support for 2 hypertransport busses from the DDR to chip, because the chipset was designed for the opteron not the a64. Meaning that it's chip dependant how much memory pipeline there is.(I wonder if the laptop would handle a64fx chip which would mean an 800MHZ pipeline, the chipset does) This is glossed over (the nforce3 150 on the other hand has only one, because it's designed for the a64).
Beleive it or not but use of gendered language is actually quite influencial on how we perceive attributes and sterotypes of technology to be. Quite alot of people have commented on the use of blatant sexual metaphors in egineering sciences, this is an old issue. And if you look through any psychology journal on language you will no doubt find some studies on this practice.
A good book on metaphor which tells of how they serve to highlight or hide information depending on source and target domains is Lakoff & Johnsons, 1980 seminal work entitled metaphors we live by.
The master slave argument is bound to elicit pretty strong feeling in many subgroups, just because the majority of readers on slashdot are white males, does not mean that everyone shares the same ambivilence or distance from such issues as apartheid and racism. I doubt calling an interface a trade center jack, because it contains 2 collapsable cicuits triggered, by a fast moving taliban controler, would receive the ambivilence that the master/slave connector does. Just remember that for some people the connections are closer to home.
Worlds have power, but that power is very dependant on who is looking.
I agree, they are very much within thier rights. And I support them on not wanting to be liable for any "damages". Our university blocks anything outbound on all of the public student machines here. Which is anoying... if i'm tutoring students, It means I have to tunnel my ssh connection through ssl, just to get home... I usually forward everything through this pipe to get around any potencial problems with policys etc. I think the university should encourage this type of use i.e SSH out then use your own home bandwidth/proxy to do what you please. Local bandwidth is free. I just can't understand why they don't encourage this. It's not a network security risk... if I wanted to steal somthing bad IP wise, I could just put it in an email and encyrpt it... University policys can be really blind to technology at times.
Wouldn't encapsulating through Legit traffic i.e ssl work as long as mime is mangled? I'm presuming that you are passing through some sort of proxy anonymiser on the way. This would mean not only could they not filter through the proxy based on mime type (i.e squid style), but they wouldn't know where your going.
Well if this dosen't illustrate the need for a fully encrypted p2p network I don't know what does. Can you say... tunnel it all through SSL? IRC has been doing this for ages...
It depends on your video board and driver version. Portrait works with the nv drivers and a number of other X driver modules now. Here is a discussion thread on the topic. BTW this is WAY off topic =-)
Under the multimedia heading, he missed the excellent and well maintained and developed Video Lan Client which I thought was a shame since it's quite alot more architecture important than mplayer in terms of streaming delivery of content, and interconnectivity.
Ok I did some more research, and found out what the current going rates and agreements are for webcasters. This document is over at Soundexchange the body set up to collect royaltys from webcasters. Now I have crunched some numbers... 0.0007$ per performance, ( or in other words download), and 500$ mimimum fee per anunum. What i'm thinking is that this particular avenue is a great way to beat the RIAA at there own game, if we are all Non-profit webcasters, then there is a significant legal and monetary gain for the community. It also implicitly protects me againsts all the nasty IP stuff that the RIAA is basing it's suits on... I like this idea, considering I don't share unless i'm on (maybe only once every two months for an hour)a service looking for somthing, I think I would definately not go over a Minimum 500$ charge in a year, for large sharer's Couldn't somthing like bit-torrent be set up... borrowning from any available "webcasters". This system I spose is simular to a tax scheme and ultimately protects the artists rights. As far as the ability to listen to the music privately... well I think this would have to be a compromise the RIAA would have to make, as I think (correct me if i'm wrong, I don't know US law) it would be impossible to prosecute, considering that as long as only one copy is kept of the work, the broadcaster is within bounds of the aggreement.
Someone must have thought about this before?... comments?
Adding to my Original post on Legal restraints, if the RIAA were to actually take their total of around 300 law suits to court, as legally entitled and not settle out of court for any of them (as legally entitled), and say the average number of shared files per user is around 2000 (fiarly conservative). At around 750$ per song shared thats and then another 1$ per song not shared. thats KATCHING!!! 450,600,000. half a billion dollars... Now consider this... If the number of people they could hypothetically take to court is raised to around 1000 This figure goes past the 3 Billion mark, like I said there needs to be limits put on the RIAA for how many cases they can pursue.
Just a thought, how come the RIAA is allowed to file so many cases against internet "Pirates", just because it's easier to document. Shouldn't there be some sort of parallism in their approach? I.e shouldn't they be going after all the high schools, whose students use Copyright material in stage performance.
Is there some sort of legal restraint for the number of legal suits your can file of a certain nature? There definately should be somthing legally in place to keep the RIAA in check.
I think there is a Morally defensible position that it is not theft. Especially in the younger generation the representation of "The Internet" is of "it's just there". The concept of copyright law dosn't exist for them. Think of when you were at high school, and of any student organised dance routines that used popular music as acompanyment... Do you think they had copyright for broadcast? No... They didn't know, nor did they have any concept of it being theft. I don't think they should know, it's not vital to the continued existance of society, why should we endocrinate our kids just so an Idustry get's a few bucks more. They will learn with time all the rules that come.
I really hope the RIAA ends up sueing someone who is able to mount a good defence. If I was 15 and they sued me (If I could retain my current understanding of the matter that is) I would so go to court( if I had money that is;-), I think that there are a number of arguable defences, especially for minors. -- Comments?
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Nikes symbol means somthing in one of the midle eastern scripts, and it's not nice either =-).
Their are numerous other ones like this. Basically it's the same base issue, not making the culture checks, which are just a normal polite way.
I don't know about your example, but it seems like your again proving my point by implying that this is the sterotypical case. In fact showing the very real passive discrimination that your calling bullshit.
Performance differences are negligble between male and females. As for the pay inequity and oportunity, don't beleive me, go find any Industrial Organisation, Management, HR, Or Organisational PSychology text, and you are sure to find more exact figures supporting these claims. The Penndulum will only stop when people don't use Gender to provide explanatory differences. Especially in an equal field like food service industry. The employee you talk about most likely was crap, but i'm sure it had nothing to do with gender as you imply.
Hmm. I think rather than disapear they become tabooed, to disapear a word is next to impossible with our current technological documentation of language. To make a new one up is easy. =-)
It's like how some languages commons words for yes and no sound like obsenitys in english. Speakers of these languages just don't use them around english speakers.
The same.
I'm not advocated one side over the other (Hmm maybe I am a little), But censorhsip at this level is not going to work and is unliberal. If someone up the design standards ladders a long time ago had understood, these simple rules of politeness we wouldn't be here today. =-)
I am aware of the situation in Sudan, and most of these arguments have no relation to skin colour, and are equally valid for religion, creed, family affiliation. In fact any sort of perceived shared common fate.
Ok You want a good overview on how people view feminism, and just how intergratively weak your definition is have a look at Potter & Weatherall, 1987 (Discourse and Social Psychology). Feminism unfortunately has a rather large and (Rather unjustiied) sterotype, associated with it which you sum up nicely. Let me tell you somthing, your not 100% wrong , but neither do you cover even a small percentage of what feminism actually represents.
The study i'm refering to wasn't even conducted in a feminist vein, it was originally implemented to understand how metaphors highlight certain information... to use your Feminists complaining about skyscrapers rockets...., i.e Feminism (forgive the lang) and Phalic Imagery contempt. And also how they hide information. In this case that Feminism has nothing to do with your long ago dismissed fruedian notions of penis envy.
Whats your say about minority groups tells me two things, 1- that you can't undestand the simple notion of subjective empathy. Your male you know that women get payed less, hold lower status positions, and must work harder than male counterparts, to attain these. Yet you question how simple gendered/categorical language makes a difference. WAKE UP, it does, it effects how people perceive each other, because it makes available categorys to place people into, if that has negative conoctations, then in a moral society that world drops from ussage, and powerfull tabooos come into place to ensure it remians there see nigger. Gendered language does this, master/slave is a little less strong of an argument, i agree, 2 - That you appreciate that things need to be run smoothly. In that case why make such a huge stink over somthing that, in all fairness shouldn't effect you... if you only understand master/slave in this one operationalisation, but I doubt very much you do. Unless you do understand all the points above but for some reason choose to ignore them. Your extreme case formulation does illustrate one good point, and that is that we need categories to communicate.
That language does not facilitate discrimination, through continued use of segregative language. (Even when this application is not that which was originally intended). I.e those in power's socially dominant attitude... The more valid point of view. =-P.
Or that Continued use of these terms does lead to conceptual differentiation, and thus discrimination, because similar target domains are represented by the "Unintentional" use. I.e That those who may be discriminated against... don't matter.
The best way to tell who is the dominant group is to observe the attitudes in it's intrests pervades socieity. (Social Dominance Theory.... See Turner et al, Wilson M, 2003, in British Journal of Social Psyc for a good arguement for and against SDO). Using your idiot example, I would conclude that Smart people are the domiant group, using your hypersensitive example I would conclude that Numbed individuals form the dominant group. Not to far from the thruth, and certainly these sentiments pervade a lot of our pop culture. This social representation of a Smart, Numbed individuals.
If you follow this argument, and your are a morally just individual, then you would probably lean towards those in power (Those smart, numbed people) making a judgement call that perhaps it's best to protect the dumb, hypersensitives.
After all the Smart Numbed ones, obviously have little power to change their situation.
Dumb is an Anagram of Numb
Cheers.
I think this is the key issue here, as already mentioned the use of gendered sexual terminology is actually standardised as part of ANSI egineering standards. This is potencially a far worse thing than master/slave. But it's a similar issue.
The fact that there is an industry standards body who dictates what these little bits of wire and plastic are called, takes said ability to self censor away. The general public can't NOT use these terms to gain access to these bits of plastic. for the M/F argument there is that the labeling of such Bits of plastic emphasises the inequality. The inequality part is the same as for the Master/Slave. It's the perception that the Social dominant group (The Tech manufacturers and Industry standards organisations) are proliferating these concepts, from which there is no escape.
You know what, there is good evidence that this isn't too far from the truth. It may be innocent conception in the lab, but it has real concequences for those groups to which the sterotypes are applied to, maybe not because of the engineers, but because of the fact it's a self perpetuating prophsy, than maintains the traditional notion of segregation.
Theory is all i'm arguing for here. Government intervention needs to occur not at this level but at the organisational standards level, and I beleive that this has occured during the 90's where MOST, not ALL standards bodies are aware of these issues now and that it's worth spending another 10 minutes thinking of equally appropriate descriptions than enraging alot of people. Once somthing like this is in it's a few slow road to change the name.
Might I also add the sex slave trade in the Lower European quater is pretty active I hear. I also hear the same from parts of South east asia...
1: They didn't do ANY 64bit tests 2: The A64 was running on winxp pro not winxp 64. This would have been a much better comparison. 3: The memory bandwidth description is WRONG. the via k8t800 chipset actually has support for 2 hypertransport busses from the DDR to chip, because the chipset was designed for the opteron not the a64. Meaning that it's chip dependant how much memory pipeline there is.(I wonder if the laptop would handle a64fx chip which would mean an 800MHZ pipeline, the chipset does) This is glossed over (the nforce3 150 on the other hand has only one, because it's designed for the a64).
The master slave argument is bound to elicit pretty strong feeling in many subgroups, just because the majority of readers on slashdot are white males, does not mean that everyone shares the same ambivilence or distance from such issues as apartheid and racism. I doubt calling an interface a trade center jack, because it contains 2 collapsable cicuits triggered, by a fast moving taliban controler, would receive the ambivilence that the master/slave connector does. Just remember that for some people the connections are closer to home.
Worlds have power, but that power is very dependant on who is looking.
I agree, they are very much within thier rights. And I support them on not wanting to be liable for any "damages". Our university blocks anything outbound on all of the public student machines here. Which is anoying... if i'm tutoring students, It means I have to tunnel my ssh connection through ssl, just to get home... I usually forward everything through this pipe to get around any potencial problems with policys etc. I think the university should encourage this type of use i.e SSH out then use your own home bandwidth/proxy to do what you please. Local bandwidth is free. I just can't understand why they don't encourage this. It's not a network security risk... if I wanted to steal somthing bad IP wise, I could just put it in an email and encyrpt it... University policys can be really blind to technology at times.
Wouldn't encapsulating through Legit traffic i.e ssl work as long as mime is mangled? I'm presuming that you are passing through some sort of proxy anonymiser on the way. This would mean not only could they not filter through the proxy based on mime type (i.e squid style), but they wouldn't know where your going.
Well if this dosen't illustrate the need for a fully encrypted p2p network I don't know what does. Can you say... tunnel it all through SSL? IRC has been doing this for ages...
its a tag line sorry i should make it more explicit.. perhaps by adding some sort of witty, statement, or emboldened ascii art.... |={(o)}=|
It depends on your video board and driver version. Portrait works with the nv drivers and a number of other X driver modules now. Here is a discussion thread on the topic. BTW this is WAY off topic =-)
Under the multimedia heading, he missed the excellent and well maintained and developed Video Lan Client which I thought was a shame since it's quite alot more architecture important than mplayer in terms of streaming delivery of content, and interconnectivity.
Here is a link to a story about some politcian who is doing just that. Seems i'm not the only one thinking along these lines.
Someone must have thought about this before?...
comments?
Adding to my Original post on Legal restraints, if the RIAA were to actually take their total of around 300 law suits to court, as legally entitled and not settle out of court for any of them (as legally entitled), and say the average number of shared files per user is around 2000 (fiarly conservative). At around 750$ per song shared thats and then another 1$ per song not shared. thats KATCHING!!! 450,600,000. half a billion dollars... Now consider this... If the number of people they could hypothetically take to court is raised to around 1000 This figure goes past the 3 Billion mark, like I said there needs to be limits put on the RIAA for how many cases they can pursue.
Just a thought, how come the RIAA is allowed to file so many cases against internet "Pirates", just because it's easier to document. Shouldn't there be some sort of parallism in their approach? I.e shouldn't they be going after all the high schools, whose students use Copyright material in stage performance.
Is there some sort of legal restraint for the number of legal suits your can file of a certain nature? There definately should be somthing legally in place to keep the RIAA in check.
I think there is a Morally defensible position that it is not theft. Especially in the younger generation the representation of "The Internet" is of "it's just there". The concept of copyright law dosn't exist for them. Think of when you were at high school, and of any student organised dance routines that used popular music as acompanyment... Do you think they had copyright for broadcast? No... They didn't know, nor did they have any concept of it being theft. I don't think they should know, it's not vital to the continued existance of society, why should we endocrinate our kids just so an Idustry get's a few bucks more. They will learn with time all the rules that come.
I really hope the RIAA ends up sueing someone who is able to mount a good defence. If I was 15 and they sued me (If I could retain my current understanding of the matter that is) I would so go to court( if I had money that is ;-), I think that there are a number of arguable defences, especially for minors. -- Comments?
Fair comment =-)