That would make for some interesting study. One thing that springs to mind is the possibility of a black market trade for mars rock. Not that I would do something like that.
That was rated funny, but truth be told I have seen Vista Laptops screw up networks often.
Especially with out Linux Fileservers, XP computers and Laptops can access them fine, but while the Vista machines sees the Fileserver in the "Network and Sharing Centre" as soon as you try to access the server Vista claims that the server "Does not exist or may be switched off"
However most of our clients use SKYPE, and we support it, and I need to be able to walk a client through how to use it if I don't use it myself.
I was not aware that Ekiga was available for Windows.
As an aside - and I quote you:
It seems like maybe you don't need it, but rather, you want it.
That is the beauty of free software, no? If I want it, I can have it. Would there be anything wrong with me wanting to use skype? I have alternatives if I want them, and I generally prefer to use FOSS above propriatary stuff. In the case of skype I quite like it, and have come to grow fond of it. I will give ekiga a spin, but I would need to fall back to skype whenever I am troubleshooting at a clients.
Well, I could probably get away with not using it if I wanted to - but there is more to my exampe.
Shame on me for not expanding more: My colleague and I are in two different departments. Both of us are linux geeks, but he works in a linux environment (among other things he maintaines our Linux Web, Mail and VOIP servers) whereas I work in a Windows-only environment (Customer support and maintaining our Windows web server), now I spend most if not all of my day booted into XP - it is kind of a prerequisite since all of our clients use Windows at home or as work desktops.
Getting to the skype vs pidgin/ekiga (or whatever it is he is using - I forget now) is that I would not be able to use anything but skype on my XP boot, and hence I use skype when I run Ubuntu - for continuity's sake.
Like many posters above, I fail to see the issue here. The beauty of Linux (and other open source operating systems) is the ability to choose what you want.
This is what the core of the issue is: I prefer open source - but I need to use skype at work (Our clients use it, and we use it for in-office communications) and I am okay with it. A colleague decided to go with an open source alternative that works just as well for him.
So that is the point right there: Nobody makes the choice for me when I work with FOSS as my starting point.
Another thing is that most of our clients use windows, and when I go out to do on-site service I need to boot into windows - often simply to put my XP box on their network in order to troubleshoot. Now my choice becomes limited.
O I am sure that I could use my Ubuntu boot all of the time, but it would be not practical, especially since Ubuntu handles networking so much better than XP. I need to attach my Laptop (in XP mode) to the network to see if I am having the same issue.
As an offtopic aside: I constantly need to launch cmd to "fix" windows computers, yes even with Vista. I often use ipconfig/all, release, renew; route print, net user passwwd etc. I often tell non tech-able folks over the phone to "click on start, run... okay, now type cmd, yes cee...emmm...deee...okay. Now type ipconfig/all...yes all lowercase is fine..."
Doing that and letting them read from the top what that command prints out is often easier than asking them to click around until they get to tcp/ip and properties to see if they have a static IP address or not...
flame: Now is XP/Vista desktop ready? I mean I constantly need to use the command line...
You install linux, or BSD. Then you'd be pretty safe for a start, then you do anything a normal Windows user would do security wise... then you'd be sure you were safe.
Or a 20foot high TUX!!! You could make money by selling tickets to geeks who want to have their picture taken with it.
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Howz about putting the dish inside the roof and replacing the roof tiles over it with pretty fibreglass tiles? That puts the dish in the house, and off the ground, out of eyesight, safe from the wind and hail and yes, maybe even lightning.
Uh, Mr Balmer, phone for you sir. It's the ghost of ME-past, sir. It says the ghost of Vista-present has been trying to get hold of you, something about news on the ghost of Windows-future...
This is touted as a slip up (or flaw) in the Open Source model of doing things, yet a proprietary software developer, and one of the largest mind you, failed to spot this completely.
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Come again? I didn't get that last part...
That would make for some interesting study. One thing that springs to mind is the possibility of a black market trade for mars rock. Not that I would do something like that.
No really...
When we go go back: Take a shovel and bucket.
That was rated funny, but truth be told I have seen Vista Laptops screw up networks often.
Especially with out Linux Fileservers, XP computers and Laptops can access them fine, but while the Vista machines sees the Fileserver in the "Network and Sharing Centre" as soon as you try to access the server Vista claims that the server "Does not exist or may be switched off"
Apparently there is a registry hack for this...
No.
However most of our clients use SKYPE, and we support it, and I need to be able to walk a client through how to use it if I don't use it myself.
I was not aware that Ekiga was available for Windows.
As an aside - and I quote you:
It seems like maybe you don't need it, but rather, you want it.
That is the beauty of free software, no? If I want it, I can have it. Would there be anything wrong with me wanting to use skype? I have alternatives if I want them, and I generally prefer to use FOSS above propriatary stuff. In the case of skype I quite like it, and have come to grow fond of it. I will give ekiga a spin, but I would need to fall back to skype whenever I am troubleshooting at a clients.
Well, I could probably get away with not using it if I wanted to - but there is more to my exampe.
Shame on me for not expanding more: My colleague and I are in two different departments. Both of us are linux geeks, but he works in a linux environment (among other things he maintaines our Linux Web, Mail and VOIP servers) whereas I work in a Windows-only environment (Customer support and maintaining our Windows web server), now I spend most if not all of my day booted into XP - it is kind of a prerequisite since all of our clients use Windows at home or as work desktops.
Getting to the skype vs pidgin/ekiga (or whatever it is he is using - I forget now) is that I would not be able to use anything but skype on my XP boot, and hence I use skype when I run Ubuntu - for continuity's sake.
Hope that answers your question somewhat...
Like many posters above, I fail to see the issue here. The beauty of Linux (and other open source operating systems) is the ability to choose what you want.
This is what the core of the issue is: I prefer open source - but I need to use skype at work (Our clients use it, and we use it for in-office communications) and I am okay with it. A colleague decided to go with an open source alternative that works just as well for him.
So that is the point right there: Nobody makes the choice for me when I work with FOSS as my starting point.
Another thing is that most of our clients use windows, and when I go out to do on-site service I need to boot into windows - often simply to put my XP box on their network in order to troubleshoot. Now my choice becomes limited.
O I am sure that I could use my Ubuntu boot all of the time, but it would be not practical, especially since Ubuntu handles networking so much better than XP. I need to attach my Laptop (in XP mode) to the network to see if I am having the same issue.
As an offtopic aside: I constantly need to launch cmd to "fix" windows computers, yes even with Vista. I often use ipconfig /all, release, renew; route print, net user passwwd etc. I often tell non tech-able folks over the phone to "click on start, run... okay, now type cmd, yes cee...emmm...deee...okay. Now type ipconfig /all...yes all lowercase is fine..."
Doing that and letting them read from the top what that command prints out is often easier than asking them to click around until they get to tcp/ip and properties to see if they have a static IP address or not...
flame: Now is XP/Vista desktop ready? I mean I constantly need to use the command line...
OOF! sho shorry... I loshed you after... after you shed 20litersh... of beersh... HAECK!
...mmmmm...good head...
shay again pleesh...
And it doesn't seem that anyone in decision making positions are getting that message.
So roll on RFID everywhere, let the crooks benefit, just like with DRM.
You install linux, or BSD. Then you'd be pretty safe for a start, then you do anything a normal Windows user would do security wise... then you'd be sure you were safe.
It wont be deployed on civilian computers.
It would be a good idea, except - that would work both ways...
and what will stop them from suddenly morphing and becoming an entity in and of itself? Did these people not watch the Matrix or Terminator???
Yep, M$ decided if you can't beat 'em, imitate 'em, badly too... that draws more attention!
And on another tack - I wonder if MS would incorporate any positive changes you would make to their source code.
And if they incorporate it, would they automatically own it, hence not needing to pay you for it?
Not only are we M$'s beta testers, we are now their bug fixers.
Sounds fishy - but that is just me playing the paranoia card...
Sleep now in the fire!
ROFL ouija board! Mod up mod up MOD UP! Too funny...
Or a 20foot high TUX!!! You could make money by selling tickets to geeks who want to have their picture taken with it.
Howz about putting the dish inside the roof and replacing the roof tiles over it with pretty fibreglass tiles? That puts the dish in the house, and off the ground, out of eyesight, safe from the wind and hail and yes, maybe even lightning.
Or back up your evidence with assertions?
Right - hands up everyone who's computers run fine sans M$ anything.
OR
"Some Tablet users are complaining about Feisty Fawn! Linux Sux!"
Never mind that there has been TWO RELEASES of Ubuntu since then, with another on the way in six months.
Uh, Mr Balmer, phone for you sir. It's the ghost of ME-past, sir. It says the ghost of Vista-present has been trying to get hold of you, something about news on the ghost of Windows-future...
Well then I was mistaken. I did not react out of paranoia however.
Excellent point.
This is touted as a slip up (or flaw) in the Open Source model of doing things, yet a proprietary software developer, and one of the largest mind you, failed to spot this completely.