If the version number were 4.0.2 instead of 5.0 Enterprises wouldn't be getting their panties in a bunch over this.
True. The big problem is with he way that this will work in the future. There weren't any big changes in 5, so 4 going EOL immediately isn't a huge deal, but when 6 or 7 rolls down the pike, and there is a major change, then everyone, enterprise and home user alike, is left with a poor choice between potentially broken new features (or reduced features) and security vulnerabilities (because n-1 is EOL). Even just leaving some slack of EOLing version n-2 would help prepare for change.
I am a proud to be called a nerd. Call it to me in public as an insult and I will give you a public dissertation on how you suck at everything Cyrano style.
The only reason Cyrano got away with that was he could kill people. Plus he was fictional.
Yeah, once people got used to Firefox at work (and the IT folk convinced them it was the best &#$* ever with its tabs and whatnot), they started using it at home. Now Asa thinks that's enough, that bridges can be burned and sysadmins damned to Hell. Maybe I'll start convincing people to use IE or Chrome. In a few short years we can relegate Firefox to an also-ran.
They're probably going off of download numbers and home page "phone homes", both of which will be seriously reduced in a corporate setting. IT downloads one or two times, sticks the executable in a software repo/smb share, and changes the home page of the browser to be the intranet in/etc/skel or Default User. So to Mozilla, each corporation looks like just one user even though thousands use Firefox there.
If you spent as much time actually working on the patch to officially support MSI as you did ranting about its absence, maybe it would be done by now.
The seven &*@$#ing year-old bug report (which was originally listed for Mozilla/Seamonkey eleven years ago and deemed WontFix)? I have a feeling that if anyone got it working, Asa would delete it for lack of notability or citation.
How is handing someone something speech? The content contained in the pamphlets is speech, of course. Punishing him for the content of the pamphlets or for anything he said would be a violation of his rights, though.
So "You're allowed to write anything you want on paper, but if you ask people to read it, you're going to jail" isn't placing restrictions on free speech?
I hope not. Corporations -- at least where I've seen lately -- now upgrade religiously. The only thing upgraded more than the browser now is any Adobe product.
Yep, I'd rather see 1000 users that can't use $Browser due to a failed update than 1000 users that use $OldBrowser that gets exploited. My boss wanted me to find a solution to flash plugin's "uninstall, then if browser not running, update to new version" method of update until I pointed out people aren't using broken flash on the machines where flash just unistalls (and the number of people who request it reinstalled are tiny).
Businesses represent a very very small percentage of any browsers user base
Really? Didnt most of the "ordinary" people using Mozilla at home today do so because their workplace IT told them about it before getting it deployed company wide (despite the incredible headaches involved with updates)?
A thing I don't understand is why IT departments don't understand that Firefox 5 is just a minor update of Firefox 4. Mozilla explicitly stated that. Why can't they handle it as if it were version 4.1?
In this case, many are, but they're still raising a stink about the release cycle policy because FF6 or FF7 might not just be FF4.0.3 or FF4.0.4. At some point, Mozilla will make a major change, and according to the new rules it's "Adopt the massive change or no security updates for you!".
Some businesses don't care about that as much, but even then, they need good ways to update software. Ever try running mozilla's "command line" updater on a Mac via ssh? It fails because it trys to start a cocoa GUI install meter on the console.
You are correct, plus 3.5 just forcibly upgraded to 3.6. However, relying on the program to autoupdate is foolish when the user likely doesn't have admin access. A separate update daemon that runs as system/root, while overkill for Linux systems, would be perfect on windows and mac systems.
Please name one feature (not enterprise based) in OSX that requires a command line?
Granular firewall requires ipfw. The only GUI is "on/off"
And if you say that granular firewalls are enterprise-level software, so help me, I'll scream.
Sorry but professional users are not a big part of Apple's market these days.... Just understand where Apple's money is, what their market is these days.
"But, but, but... if Apple locks down the desktop like iOS, there will still need to be content makers!" -Apple Fan
What the Apple Fan doesn't realize is that Apple doesn't care. Best case scenario, Apple thinks _it_ will be the content maker, and FCP will be an in-house app for Apple. Worst case scenario, Apple hasn't even thought about what happens when no one makes the content, so Apple thinks they can recycle the same apps and media forever on the future's locked-down devices.
Smart move. Let the others sell us cheap oil, and wait until they start to run dry before tapping our reserves (and not sharing it with them). That is unless they pull a Mr. Burns and tap us horizontally.
Double edged sword. Some people respond to the Hulk with calming words and soothing music. Some people taunt him and shoot at him. Almost no one asks him out on a date or chats about the latest TV shows.
They rewrote the metamoderation system so that no one bothers anymore. I used to, but the new system is pointless, and as a result there is no correction for mod abuse.
No kidding. At least with the old one, you were actually moderating the moderation (was this post funny? was this post unfairly modded flamebait?). Now it's just "Do you like this comment?" It's the forum equivalent to "Do you like me? []yes []no".
If you're hiring someone, and he says "let me call my lawyer", don't you get a knot in your stomach, like maybe this guy likes to sue a lot? Who calls their lawyer over an ordinary job contract (I've actually never signed a job contract; I've just been given confirmation of what I'll receive in return for my work)? Maybe he's planning on suing this company once he's hired? Maybe he's planning on suing this company for not hiring him? Maybe he's planning to slip and fall in the meeting room?
Or perhaps we should make any verbal explanation given to you also legally binding.
That would be awesome, but salesmen would throw a fit, because they often rely on being legally allowed to say one thing while writing the opposite on paper for you to sign.
Casual players are going to be cannon fodder at best and constant targets at worst. EVE is not really what one could call a newbie friendly game. The basic tutorials to get a grasp on the game will take the average player 1-4 hours just for them to get a handle on piloting and using your equipment.
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Insert quarter
Insert quarter
Insert quarter
Congratulations! You have inserted quarters faster than your opponent, or they attempted to win via skill alone. You are victorious!
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If the version number were 4.0.2 instead of 5.0 Enterprises wouldn't be getting their panties in a bunch over this.
True. The big problem is with he way that this will work in the future. There weren't any big changes in 5, so 4 going EOL immediately isn't a huge deal, but when 6 or 7 rolls down the pike, and there is a major change, then everyone, enterprise and home user alike, is left with a poor choice between potentially broken new features (or reduced features) and security vulnerabilities (because n-1 is EOL). Even just leaving some slack of EOLing version n-2 would help prepare for change.
I am a proud to be called a nerd. Call it to me in public as an insult and I will give you a public dissertation on how you suck at everything Cyrano style.
The only reason Cyrano got away with that was he could kill people. Plus he was fictional.
...skipping sentences and muttering things like "no,no, that won't work" because the mouth can't keep up with the brain.
My rate is $350 AU an hour
I should charge that amount. Just getting Aussie Dollars to pay me with would be enough of a burden that they'd stop asking.
Yeah, once people got used to Firefox at work (and the IT folk convinced them it was the best &#$* ever with its tabs and whatnot), they started using it at home. Now Asa thinks that's enough, that bridges can be burned and sysadmins damned to Hell. Maybe I'll start convincing people to use IE or Chrome. In a few short years we can relegate Firefox to an also-ran.
They're probably going off of download numbers and home page "phone homes", both of which will be seriously reduced in a corporate setting. IT downloads one or two times, sticks the executable in a software repo/smb share, and changes the home page of the browser to be the intranet in /etc/skel or Default User. So to Mozilla, each corporation looks like just one user even though thousands use Firefox there.
If you spent as much time actually working on the patch to officially support MSI as you did ranting about its absence, maybe it would be done by now.
The seven &*@$#ing year-old bug report (which was originally listed for Mozilla/Seamonkey eleven years ago and deemed WontFix)? I have a feeling that if anyone got it working, Asa would delete it for lack of notability or citation.
How is handing someone something speech? The content contained in the pamphlets is speech, of course. Punishing him for the content of the pamphlets or for anything he said would be a violation of his rights, though.
So "You're allowed to write anything you want on paper, but if you ask people to read it, you're going to jail" isn't placing restrictions on free speech?
I hope not. Corporations -- at least where I've seen lately -- now upgrade religiously. The only thing upgraded more than the browser now is any Adobe product.
Yep, I'd rather see 1000 users that can't use $Browser due to a failed update than 1000 users that use $OldBrowser that gets exploited. My boss wanted me to find a solution to flash plugin's "uninstall, then if browser not running, update to new version" method of update until I pointed out people aren't using broken flash on the machines where flash just unistalls (and the number of people who request it reinstalled are tiny).
Businesses represent a very very small percentage of any browsers user base
Really? Didnt most of the "ordinary" people using Mozilla at home today do so because their workplace IT told them about it before getting it deployed company wide (despite the incredible headaches involved with updates)?
A thing I don't understand is why IT departments don't understand that Firefox 5 is just a minor update of Firefox 4. Mozilla explicitly stated that. Why can't they handle it as if it were version 4.1?
In this case, many are, but they're still raising a stink about the release cycle policy because FF6 or FF7 might not just be FF4.0.3 or FF4.0.4. At some point, Mozilla will make a major change, and according to the new rules it's "Adopt the massive change or no security updates for you!".
Some businesses don't care about that as much, but even then, they need good ways to update software. Ever try running mozilla's "command line" updater on a Mac via ssh? It fails because it trys to start a cocoa GUI install meter on the console.
You are correct, plus 3.5 just forcibly upgraded to 3.6. However, relying on the program to autoupdate is foolish when the user likely doesn't have admin access. A separate update daemon that runs as system/root, while overkill for Linux systems, would be perfect on windows and mac systems.
If the Northern Atlantic becomes an attractive habitat for a species that wasn't there before
But they were there, as recently as the 18th century.
Please name one feature (not enterprise based) in OSX that requires a command line?
Granular firewall requires ipfw. The only GUI is "on/off"
And if you say that granular firewalls are enterprise-level software, so help me, I'll scream.
Sorry but professional users are not a big part of Apple's market these days. ... Just understand where Apple's money is, what their market is these days.
"But, but, but... if Apple locks down the desktop like iOS, there will still need to be content makers!" -Apple Fan
What the Apple Fan doesn't realize is that Apple doesn't care. Best case scenario, Apple thinks _it_ will be the content maker, and FCP will be an in-house app for Apple. Worst case scenario, Apple hasn't even thought about what happens when no one makes the content, so Apple thinks they can recycle the same apps and media forever on the future's locked-down devices.
Smart move. Let the others sell us cheap oil, and wait until they start to run dry before tapping our reserves (and not sharing it with them). That is unless they pull a Mr. Burns and tap us horizontally.
Double edged sword. Some people respond to the Hulk with calming words and soothing music. Some people taunt him and shoot at him. Almost no one asks him out on a date or chats about the latest TV shows.
The Rob Flickenger "cantenna" design doesn't work.
You're not factoring in the use of Onion or Cool Ranch Pringles cans. Makes all the difference.
This place is like an Aspergers zoo.
But without the breeding program.
They rewrote the metamoderation system so that no one bothers anymore. I used to, but the new system is pointless, and as a result there is no correction for mod abuse.
No kidding. At least with the old one, you were actually moderating the moderation (was this post funny? was this post unfairly modded flamebait?). Now it's just "Do you like this comment?" It's the forum equivalent to "Do you like me? []yes []no".
These contracts are 1 way deals. You either sign it, or no job.
You can alter it and hand it back over to them. They give you a contract you like, or they don't get your work. 2-way deal.
If you're hiring someone, and he says "let me call my lawyer", don't you get a knot in your stomach, like maybe this guy likes to sue a lot? Who calls their lawyer over an ordinary job contract (I've actually never signed a job contract; I've just been given confirmation of what I'll receive in return for my work)? Maybe he's planning on suing this company once he's hired? Maybe he's planning on suing this company for not hiring him? Maybe he's planning to slip and fall in the meeting room?
Or perhaps we should make any verbal explanation given to you also legally binding.
That would be awesome, but salesmen would throw a fit, because they often rely on being legally allowed to say one thing while writing the opposite on paper for you to sign.
Casual players are going to be cannon fodder at best and constant targets at worst. EVE is not really what one could call a newbie friendly game. The basic tutorials to get a grasp on the game will take the average player 1-4 hours just for them to get a handle on piloting and using your equipment.
Insert quarter to instant-kill opponent. Opponent has raised invulnerable shields; Insert quarter to transmit Ship Prefix Code and lower enemy shields. Enemy is firing; Insert quarter to raise invulnerable shields.
Insert quarter
Insert quarter
Insert quarter
Congratulations! You have inserted quarters faster than your opponent, or they attempted to win via skill alone. You are victorious!