i'm saying a bully making demands without any actual ability to follow through on his threats is nothing you have to pay any respect to
The demand: "We can't enforce it, you do it or else..."
The threat: "or else we won't buy your sugar"
The threat is enforceable and the demand is ludicrous. It's like a bully saying "eat your own hand or else I'll beat you up". You're going to get beat up. Even if you try to fool the bully that you ate your hand (or even if you really *did*), the bully's friends (RIAA,MPAA) will convince him you used a trick.
So does this mean the limited time availability for me to buy Mountain Dew Throwback just got even more limited?
It's already ultra-limited. I can never find any. It's like when the Pepsi shipments arrive somewhere, the stockboys stockpile them for sale on ebay, just like Wiis. At least I got several cases from the first trial-run.
I love Ubuntu on most of my machines, and for a while, it was my job to test out different distros. If it was gentoo giving me these problems, I'd shrug my shoulders and post a bug. Ubuntu's supposed to be easy, and ubuntuforums.org is littered with requests to make the install CD not fail like this. The weird part is Fedora and other Live CDs work fine with vesa, so it's Ubtuntu's implementation that fails.
That sounds insane, for installing the system your Nvidia card will work perfectly fine using the vesafb or nv driver. After you have the system up and running you can install the proprietary Nvidia driver via the 'restricted drivers' tool from within the GUI. You don't even need to use a console to get it working.
Do you seriously swap you video card for an Ubuntu install or are you just trolling?
If I were Trolling, I think I'd be doing it with an account with less Karma, or AC. I seriously have to switch out nvidia cards on a regular basis to do an Ubuntu install, and no, nv and vesa do _NOT_ work. nv driver causes vertical green lines, and vesa driver causes the xorg server to reload once a second (because Ubuntu is stupid and decided to make xorg not fail permanently and gracefully). With xorg reloading once a second, it's impossible to get any editing done in the virt-term. Without an ATI or Intel(thanks to the poster who corrected me on my brainfart) card, I can't install the base OS. My laptop is a different story, and it has a mobile nvidia card. Works fine with the nv driver. Probably works okay with vesa.
You can still switch to single user mode in Ubuntu, thus being able to install the video driver.
Switching the video card to do this is asinine....
No, you can't do that with the install CD. Really. Using vesa causes xorg to reload once a second, and you can't type anything. Using nv causes half of the screen to disappear in the virtual terminal. Believe me, I've been using Linux for more than a decade on x86, ppc, sparc, others, with tons of distros (one of my jobs required me to evaluate as many popular ones as possible on a regular basis). I've had a lot of experience getting weird hardware working with Linux and X/xorg. Switching graphics cards is a simple and elegant solution for these installs. A quick edit of the xorg.conf file, and I was done. But, that's not something that normal users can handle, and Ubuntu is targeted at normal users.
nv drivers broken for a lot of cards? Which ones would these be? They would not happen to be perchance cards that any Windows users would consider laughingly out of date?
I think you will find legions of users that think you are full of sh*t and especially full of sh*t for adding Ubuntu to your rant.
Maybe laughingly out of date by Windows standards, but that usually means gamers. A geforce 6600 is still a good card, even if it's old (not as old as my TNT cards that still work). And if it's old, shouldn't it have better drivers? Just sayin'.
As for the Ubuntu rant, perhaps you should do a search for "vertical lines" on ubuntuforums.org? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22vertical+lines%22+green+site%3Aubuntuforums.org+nvidia&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Until I read the summary I thought it was another article about windows botnets and was wondering why the "microsoft" was tacked on since windows is the default OS assumption. Of course it would be interesting if these were new CPAN mirrors that MS was settings up.
So, Nvidia writes drivers for your system, and those drivers work. What's the problem?
Indeed, I have no problem with that. I've been using Linux or long enough to remember having to spend a lot of time getting around issues of hardware compatibility. Nvidia was in there quite early on providing good drivers for its chipsets at a time when just about every other manufacturer just shrugged its shoulders and told us to "Fuck off, We don't support Linux."
That alone has promoted a lot of goodwill as far as I'm concerned, and so nVidia chipsets are right at the top of my preferred brands list. So I get very tired of hearing people badmouthing nVidia without giving an adequate reason why.
Goodwill Schmoodwill. This is business. For quite some time, the only way I've been able to easily install Ubuntu on several of my Nvidia machines has been by swapping out the graphics card(s) for ATI, installing the OS and nvidia drivers, then installing the Nvidia cards again. True, this is an Ubuntu issue, since they insist on a GUI install only (sorry, but the alternate CD is a pain, at least use curses to emulate a GUI before making Mom and Pop use Debian), and they don't include the nvidia driver on the CD. The nv and vesa drivers are both broken for lots of nvidia cards (nv causes green verical lines, and vesa just crashes X continuously.
If Nvidia had created a usable neutered (2D) OSS driver that Just Worked (TM) with their cards, a la ATI/IBM, then I'd still be suggesting their cards for Linux newbies like I did back in the Aughties. Instead, I've been suggesting IBM first, ATI next, and Nvidia only for experienced folk who need superior OpenGL cards.
Mozilla is working on an MSI package. There's a bug in bugzilla for that. Vote for it and/or help with coding testing.
You're funny.
Bug 52052 was opened in 2000.
Bug 231062 was opened in 2004 when 52052 was closed with "WONTFIX"
Sure, there's been recent activity, but it's been TEN years. Until MSI becomes a blocker for 3.6 or 3.7, they'll drop it for the new shiny like they've always done.
When it comes to windows networks, it is reasonably common to see system updates installed (ie windowsupdate) but you very rarely see other things updated where they are installed, msoffice, acrobat reader, backup software, antivirus etc, very rarely gets updated.
I've never seen this except in places where there's not enough IT staff. Keeping most of these things updated only requires mediocre vigilance and/or tools, and it helps mitigate lots of problems. Once you get past ten windows machines, a sysadmin needs to look into doing things via pstools, 50-100: Active Directory should help, 101+: WSUS and/or HFnetchk[pro], 1000's: mirror servers for the above systems.
That said, the existence of 3rd party installation tools doesn't clear Mozilla from being stupid about their installation and updating programs.
At least provide a good command line program to update Firefox. What's that? You say updater[.exe] works via command line on Linux, Mac, and Windows by use of.mar files? No, it does not work on all of them, and further, there is no quiet/silent switch for updater, so it opens an "updating % complete" window. This isn't a problem for Windows, where the System user can write stuff to the login screen, but if you use ssh or ARD to run Firefox's updater on a bunch of Macs, unless someone happens to be logged in (anyone, as long as the screen isn't at the login), you'll get a permission denied error. I've never bothered to test it on Linux because apt or yum always has the latest version anyway.
They could remove the GUI from updater[.exe] and make it download the latest.mar file for the sysadmin (configurable to a local source), and it would be suddenly scriptable for all platforms. But noooooo, they have to be speeeecial. Almost makes me want to start packaging a Windows version of Ice Weasel.
If humans first emerged 200,000 years ago, then six minutes left would indicate we have well over 800 years to go. We should be able to get off-planet by then. If humans emerged 50,000 years ago, then we have about 100 years, but I'll be dead by then anyway. Either way, I'm not worried.
Also, I think there's bar code tattoo on his inner arm that -- if you lift the image and scan it -- reads "HUMAN 00001" which is kind of disconcerting.
I'll say it's disconcerting. It means he's the First Variety.
No, I'm a Linux and Windows user who knows what ctrl-alt-del does on a command line Linux. Type Ctrl-alt-F4 or something to get a vitual terminal and then type ctrl-alt-del. I haven't tried it in X forever, but last time I did, I remember it sending a reboot command. All I know is that Ctrl-alt-backspace is ingrained in my head as the X-killer, and I've heard no announcements that a commonly known key sequence is changing.
I actually hope they don't. I've started using a Mac and I also miss (or can't find) the insert, home, end, backspace, and printscreen buttons. It's a real pain when I run vmware or RDC.
You're not missing anything. Home and End on Mac OS X are useless, and make Terminal annoying when you type a long command, have to edit the beginning of the line, and realize that "Home" does a meta-page-up of your history.
Why would they move ctrl-alt-backspace to something stupid no one knows? If I'm going to type ctrl-alt-delete and hit bksp instead of del, then no harm has been done.
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I'm partial to Granny Smith, Pink Ladies, and Honeycrisp myself. I bet Newton's apple was a generic unnamed variety.
i'm saying a bully making demands without any actual ability to follow through on his threats is nothing you have to pay any respect to
The demand: "We can't enforce it, you do it or else..."
The threat: "or else we won't buy your sugar"
The threat is enforceable and the demand is ludicrous. It's like a bully saying "eat your own hand or else I'll beat you up". You're going to get beat up. Even if you try to fool the bully that you ate your hand (or even if you really *did*), the bully's friends (RIAA,MPAA) will convince him you used a trick.
So does this mean the limited time availability for me to buy Mountain Dew Throwback just got even more limited?
It's already ultra-limited. I can never find any. It's like when the Pepsi shipments arrive somewhere, the stockboys stockpile them for sale on ebay, just like Wiis. At least I got several cases from the first trial-run.
I love Ubuntu on most of my machines, and for a while, it was my job to test out different distros. If it was gentoo giving me these problems, I'd shrug my shoulders and post a bug. Ubuntu's supposed to be easy, and ubuntuforums.org is littered with requests to make the install CD not fail like this. The weird part is Fedora and other Live CDs work fine with vesa, so it's Ubtuntu's implementation that fails.
That sounds insane, for installing the system your Nvidia card will work perfectly fine using the vesafb or nv driver. After you have the system up and running you can install the proprietary Nvidia driver via the 'restricted drivers' tool from within the GUI. You don't even need to use a console to get it working.
Do you seriously swap you video card for an Ubuntu install or are you just trolling?
If I were Trolling, I think I'd be doing it with an account with less Karma, or AC. I seriously have to switch out nvidia cards on a regular basis to do an Ubuntu install, and no, nv and vesa do _NOT_ work. nv driver causes vertical green lines, and vesa driver causes the xorg server to reload once a second (because Ubuntu is stupid and decided to make xorg not fail permanently and gracefully). With xorg reloading once a second, it's impossible to get any editing done in the virt-term. Without an ATI or Intel(thanks to the poster who corrected me on my brainfart) card, I can't install the base OS. My laptop is a different story, and it has a mobile nvidia card. Works fine with the nv driver. Probably works okay with vesa.
You can still switch to single user mode in Ubuntu, thus being able to install the video driver. Switching the video card to do this is asinine....
No, you can't do that with the install CD. Really. Using vesa causes xorg to reload once a second, and you can't type anything. Using nv causes half of the screen to disappear in the virtual terminal. Believe me, I've been using Linux for more than a decade on x86, ppc, sparc, others, with tons of distros (one of my jobs required me to evaluate as many popular ones as possible on a regular basis). I've had a lot of experience getting weird hardware working with Linux and X/xorg. Switching graphics cards is a simple and elegant solution for these installs. A quick edit of the xorg.conf file, and I was done. But, that's not something that normal users can handle, and Ubuntu is targeted at normal users.
nv drivers broken for a lot of cards? Which ones would these be? They would not happen to be perchance cards that any Windows users would consider laughingly out of date? I think you will find legions of users that think you are full of sh*t and especially full of sh*t for adding Ubuntu to your rant.
Maybe laughingly out of date by Windows standards, but that usually means gamers. A geforce 6600 is still a good card, even if it's old (not as old as my TNT cards that still work). And if it's old, shouldn't it have better drivers? Just sayin'.
As for the Ubuntu rant, perhaps you should do a search for "vertical lines" on ubuntuforums.org?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22vertical+lines%22+green+site%3Aubuntuforums.org+nvidia&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
I've never heard of IBM graphics cards. Do you mean Intel or something else?
Wow, I shouldn't post just after waking up. Yep, I meant Intel.
So what you're saying is that their mother can be satisfied faster than the speed of light ? How would you know ?
I wish I could transfer my "funny" mod down to you. :)
Until I read the summary I thought it was another article about windows botnets and was wondering why the "microsoft" was tacked on since windows is the default OS assumption. Of course it would be interesting if these were new CPAN mirrors that MS was settings up.
If those NVidia drivers don't support hardware accelerated 3D, then I really don't understand the point.
The point is that the xorg nv and vesa drivers are broken for quite a few nvidia cards.
So, Nvidia writes drivers for your system, and those drivers work. What's the problem?
Indeed, I have no problem with that. I've been using Linux or long enough to remember having to spend a lot of time getting around issues of hardware compatibility. Nvidia was in there quite early on providing good drivers for its chipsets at a time when just about every other manufacturer just shrugged its shoulders and told us to "Fuck off, We don't support Linux." That alone has promoted a lot of goodwill as far as I'm concerned, and so nVidia chipsets are right at the top of my preferred brands list. So I get very tired of hearing people badmouthing nVidia without giving an adequate reason why.
Goodwill Schmoodwill. This is business. For quite some time, the only way I've been able to easily install Ubuntu on several of my Nvidia machines has been by swapping out the graphics card(s) for ATI, installing the OS and nvidia drivers, then installing the Nvidia cards again. True, this is an Ubuntu issue, since they insist on a GUI install only (sorry, but the alternate CD is a pain, at least use curses to emulate a GUI before making Mom and Pop use Debian), and they don't include the nvidia driver on the CD. The nv and vesa drivers are both broken for lots of nvidia cards (nv causes green verical lines, and vesa just crashes X continuously.
If Nvidia had created a usable neutered (2D) OSS driver that Just Worked (TM) with their cards, a la ATI/IBM, then I'd still be suggesting their cards for Linux newbies like I did back in the Aughties. Instead, I've been suggesting IBM first, ATI next, and Nvidia only for experienced folk who need superior OpenGL cards.
Ethernet signals travel at a very large fraction of the speed of light
0.59c isn't THAT large.
Large enough for your mother.
Mozilla is working on an MSI package. There's a bug in bugzilla for that. Vote for it and/or help with coding testing.
You're funny.
Bug 52052 was opened in 2000.
Bug 231062 was opened in 2004 when 52052 was closed with "WONTFIX"
Sure, there's been recent activity, but it's been TEN years. Until MSI becomes a blocker for 3.6 or 3.7, they'll drop it for the new shiny like they've always done.
When it comes to windows networks, it is reasonably common to see system updates installed (ie windowsupdate) but you very rarely see other things updated where they are installed, msoffice, acrobat reader, backup software, antivirus etc, very rarely gets updated.
I've never seen this except in places where there's not enough IT staff. Keeping most of these things updated only requires mediocre vigilance and/or tools, and it helps mitigate lots of problems. Once you get past ten windows machines, a sysadmin needs to look into doing things via pstools, 50-100: Active Directory should help, 101+: WSUS and/or HFnetchk[pro], 1000's: mirror servers for the above systems.
That said, the existence of 3rd party installation tools doesn't clear Mozilla from being stupid about their installation and updating programs.
At least provide a good command line program to update Firefox. What's that? You say updater[.exe] works via command line on Linux, Mac, and Windows by use of .mar files? No, it does not work on all of them, and further, there is no quiet/silent switch for updater, so it opens an "updating % complete" window. This isn't a problem for Windows, where the System user can write stuff to the login screen, but if you use ssh or ARD to run Firefox's updater on a bunch of Macs, unless someone happens to be logged in (anyone, as long as the screen isn't at the login), you'll get a permission denied error. I've never bothered to test it on Linux because apt or yum always has the latest version anyway.
.mar file for the sysadmin (configurable to a local source), and it would be suddenly scriptable for all platforms. But noooooo, they have to be speeeecial. Almost makes me want to start packaging a Windows version of Ice Weasel.
They could remove the GUI from updater[.exe] and make it download the latest
If humans first emerged 200,000 years ago, then six minutes left would indicate we have well over 800 years to go. We should be able to get off-planet by then. If humans emerged 50,000 years ago, then we have about 100 years, but I'll be dead by then anyway. Either way, I'm not worried.
But 6000 years equates to 25 years... FYI
Also, I think there's bar code tattoo on his inner arm that -- if you lift the image and scan it -- reads "HUMAN 00001" which is kind of disconcerting.
I'll say it's disconcerting. It means he's the First Variety.
So there wasn't a HUMAN 00000?
Did anyone else imagine the "Greatest American Hero" suit?
These days it's "lone underpants-man". Get with the times!
"Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground!"*
*Apologies to anyone reading this past Summer of 2010; this is a _very_ topical joke.
You must be new here. Spun is a known political flamebaiter.
It looked like two people used their whole 10 points each to mark every post Troll when the thread was young.
No, I'm a Linux and Windows user who knows what ctrl-alt-del does on a command line Linux. Type Ctrl-alt-F4 or something to get a vitual terminal and then type ctrl-alt-del. I haven't tried it in X forever, but last time I did, I remember it sending a reboot command. All I know is that Ctrl-alt-backspace is ingrained in my head as the X-killer, and I've heard no announcements that a commonly known key sequence is changing.
I actually hope they don't. I've started using a Mac and I also miss (or can't find) the insert, home, end, backspace, and printscreen buttons. It's a real pain when I run vmware or RDC.
You're not missing anything. Home and End on Mac OS X are useless, and make Terminal annoying when you type a long command, have to edit the beginning of the line, and realize that "Home" does a meta-page-up of your history.
Why would they move ctrl-alt-backspace to something stupid no one knows? If I'm going to type ctrl-alt-delete and hit bksp instead of del, then no harm has been done.