With apt, you not only get your package dependencies solved along with the latest software, you get the work that was put in to making Debian a coherent system that adheres to the Debian policy.
But isn't that what the whole concept of "distribution" was supposed to mean? After all, what makes or breaks the operating system isn't necessarily how good _it_ is, but how well it "enables" the use of the software that is used for *task*.
On that note, while I really think apt is killer I also agree that the true success behind it is the work done by the package maintainers. Flame me all you want but I think what's really needed is some definitive standard for packages similar to the Win-world Installshield idea. There should be some way for the install routine (make install?) to check some DB (linux has a few of those around, right?) and see if a particular app is installed and where. Think the windows registry but for info purposes only so that the install can be more efficient. This would allow me to automate the use *.deb, *.rpm or compile my own and still keep track of apps and dependencies..
Not specifically trying to flame you, but I certainly would hope so; otherwise I would be forced to make the bald statement that you are obviously a crappy IT person..
Look at this realisticly - anyone who had ever written/tested/maintained a complex system knows just how difficult they are to "debug". Much worse is that a faulty element in a system usually ends up breaking something downstream, rather than the element itself. On top of that it is fairly well accepted that the more complex a system the more delicate the balance between it's components. Most of the crowd in this forum are the elite of the IT business - and I bet they would agree that there are interactions in their own work that occur for which they have no explanations. No explanations other than that the fault lies outside of their immediate area of responsibility; can anyone say *object oriented*?
Now if we can't with absolute certainty guarantee how a piece of software will behave under all conditions, why are we so willing to chance the same with DNA when we aren't even the "authors of the code"?
Am I phobic about genegeneering, do I want it banned? No definately not. That is definately the future humanity must pursue for reasons stated over and over here and elsewhere. My issue is with the people who (as quoted from another thread here on/.) believe that since there is "only a chance in a million that something goes wrong", are willing to roll the dice for everyone..
You are so right on this. That most people find this newsworthy is a simple testament to "how far from the land" people have become; ie: city folk.
In fact at this very moment I have a large photo of the entirety of my family farm hanging on my wall. The scale of the picture is roughly 2KM by 5 KM and believe me when I say that it's not too difficult to distinguish every feature including my Dad's car. Actually we have one from every five year period between 1965 until 1985, which makes it kinda neat to see how the area developed over the last x-years as the farm expanded..
This is actually very typical and has been done with fly-overs since at least the late 60's. That they have begun to use satellite to do this is hardly surprising since you get more area with a higher detail for less money...
Sounds to me like those weren't family farmers in involved since they would know about this kind of stuff.
from the concept of my lending a friend the actual CD? I ask because as I recall, that behaviour was termed "piracy" by that industry anti-piracy association, and such corporate wonders as Microsoft themselves.
In fact, according to this item on the MS website, this IS piracy.
Software piracy also occurs when someone makes more copies than permitted, or when, for example, he or she borrows a copy of a program from someone else.
It is supposed to be a full-version that arrives on your desktop, right? So that does sound like I will be "borrowing a copy from someone else.", right? So why is it is that when that someone else is a large corporation this is classified as renting, and is legal but my lending the CD is *wrong*/*evil*/*illegal*/immoral*/pick your term..
It's nice to know that if money is to be made that it's legal.. Guess from now on I'll have my friends drop a $0.25 piece on my kitchen table as they leave with the CD..
Why go even that far. If TiVO were smart they would introduce a 2nd-tier service plan which is composed of one single thing - time syncing.. Let'em charge that $1 themselves and this whole problem would vanish. It would be a win-win situation.
A large number of (leased) cable boxes include an anti tamper circuit. Take the screws out and pop the cover in the wrong way, the unit gets zorched.
Well wouldn't unplugging it for a few days remove that possibility? Surely they couldn't do that with any battery that was small enough to survive in there; not with so much more juice going in from the A/C...
"Really, guy,... do get. I can see ISPs grumbling about bandwidth costs, but your reaction is a wee bit overdone."
~flame~ Why's that, because by volume the bandwidth these bastards steal from me isn't sufficient for your tastes?
~flameoff~
I may not exactly agree that spammers are monsters, but they certainly aren't engendering themselves to me by lieing as part of their sales pitch (which are most often also misleading!). I'm a reasonable guy normally and am willing to give commercial enterprise the right to send one single original email to me unsolicited - with few restrictions. That Washington law sounds just about right; with the addition (or was it already there?) of the absolute requirement that upon request all my info (complete!) would be removed/deleted and made unavailable for any purpose..
Free software should prosper because it's a better model, not because people are forced into it so they can use certain programs...
Ok, so prove it's the better model.
Exactly, *you* can't - because only market forces over a period of time can do that.
I'm on your side and I agree that the cure should never be worse than the disease, but this is just another way to affect those market forces. In fact this might well be the best way to make a contribution to the success of Free Software, by ensuring that something of the vision remains once the tangibles become freely available..
Right off that site, the best terms for shareware I ever heard!
Registration
BrickHouse is a shareware product.
The cost is $25 per machine.
I'm of the opinion that people will either pay shareware fees, or they won't.
You may use BrickHouse without registering it until you feel that it is worth $25 to you.
If you like BrickHouse, you should pay the shareware fee to help ensure future development of the product.
From the American Superconductor site link I wasn't able to determine any details of the actual manufacturing process. It does indicate that the there are "oxide compounds" involved - but..!
I also couldn't find any indication of the life of this. How long until it begins to breakdown, and when it does what compounds will be released into the ground? And what does the manufacturing process put into the atmosphere in the way of by-product gases and other exhaust? If I understand correctly there is a stream of coolant (liquid nitrogen!) inside the pipe bundle - what happens if the pipe breaks? And of course - what are they going to do with all that cable that was ripped out..
Sounds like a neat idea, but not enough info for me to decide if they really thought this through..
Not to deny the roots of the internet, but is it still appropriate that a US government body (Commerce Department) still makes these decisions?
I question the right of a US body to continue to make decisions concerning what is a global resource. At the least this type of thing should go to a panel with reps from all the major countries. As we all realize by now, Corporatism appears to not only have it's roots in American society but it most strongly propelled forward by those self-same American companies.
A real shame, the vision of "the net" as held by those who created is less and less a reality every day something like this occurs..
"the" problem. As IANAL nor are 99% of the population here on/.;access is not the factor limiting the usefullness of a patent library. As someone else mentioned, there is a *.gov point-of-access. However I believe the limiting factor is that the patents themselves, while of a technical nature are still written in lawyer-speak. It would be very usefull to have unlimited access to the DB, but until I finish that bar exam, I'm likely not the most qualified to determine a match. Heck, the people who ARE the most qualified likely still have the means to access it anyway..
No doubt some think me wrong about this.. feel free to express YOUR opinion.
As I recall this series is supposed to take place just prior to the birth of the Federation as we know it from ST:TOS. This means that warp tech aside, the day to day tech should be relatively close in terms of evolution, to what we have currently.
In the Trek world television is dead; and the first and only time we even see the device on the show is in the pilot. For a moment during a scene when Capt. Pike is in his quarters. Since "Enterprise" takes place before this, we should be seeing tv's everywhere that crew relax.
Either way, Bakula is a good actor and should be old enough by now to pass as a captain-type. And while I like "Andromeda", Bakula surely can't look any odder in the role of a ship's Captain than Kevin Sorbo!
I applaud the effort to make universal stardards and IM clients that use them. These are exactly the type of efforts necessary to make it work.
But- is it me or am I the only person who is becoming less and less interested in being "instantly available"..? And more and more I find myself wanting ways to do the exact opposite, and make myself harder to find.
While I'm not totally against the concept of "rights" in the form of "pay the person whose content you use, I would like to know exactly where in this mess of crap are MY rights protected?
I think shit like this is way out of line when implemented as hardware requirements . Who the hell made the Movie and Song industries the people who get to choose how I use things for which I've already paid for?? Hell, never mind about the content that I've paid for, who the hell made them the arbitrers of how HARDWARE that I purchased - PURCHASED!- functions? It's ridiculous to the extreme and would make for some seriously deadly comparisons to other industries. You'll notice that if Ford doesn't like how I drive my car, they can shove it up their ass. The same of course goes for the people who made my microwave, and desk lamp; all of them can think whatever they like but having paid for these goods, I decide how I use them..
And can anyone tell me where the concept of free and open markets making decisions on what (products) live or die, went...?? Bastards one and all..
points to this being a cooperative effort between the US and Canada, with the FBI coordinating the US aspect.
From the order:
"IT APPEARING that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into acts which would constitute violations of Sections 322 (theft) and 430 (mischief) of the Criminal Code of Canada, and that one or more of the subjects of said investigation are unknown,..."
The interesting part, appealing heavily to those conspiracy-theory types is the fact that there has been little or no media on the subject (Quebec City/ conference of the Americas) since last week. And potentially disturbing is the total lack of ANY media reports concerning this specific incident with the court order.
or are you just glad to see me?" could gain new meaning. The article identifies that they require use of a laser. And it's identified as:
A femtosecond laser is a laser that irradiates for an extremely short period of time -- one-1,000-trillionth of a second.
This suggests that if they could figure out how to get the femstosecond laser firepower into a device the size of the typical hand-help laser pointer then we'd have ultimate unlimited storage. But the question I'd like to know is how much energy is expended by a single pulse and what does it equate to that is already in general use. It would be amazing if a set of rechargeable 9v batteries did the trick, but I suspect this would be more along the lines of the requirements for industrial laser cutters which I believe use 600w transformers..
Can anyone with real experience in the field comment on these things?
As the article states:
"I filed suit in California Small Claims Court for $500 against Kozmo.com for violating our agreement and sections 17538.45 and 17538.4 of the California Business and Professions Code"
Looking up the sections that are referenced, it appears that a great deal may hinge on the interpretation of this paragraph:
In any action brought pursuant to paragraph (1), the electronic mail service provider shall be required to establish as an element of its cause of action that prior to the alleged violation, the defendant had actual notice of both of the following:
The electronic mail service provider's policy on unsolicited electronic mail advertising.
The fact that the defendant's unsolicited electronic mail advertisements would use or cause to be used the electronic mail service provider's equipment located in this state.
What this effectively means is that the case was won because she may reasonably be considered a form of service provider. The status of "service provider" isn't something that just anyone can claim. What would have been the outcome had she been a regular internet user; I'd put my money on odds that she would have lost, and I think it is reasonable to say that her award of $50 (she asked for $500) demonstrates the premise that the judge "barely" accepted her points. I'd even go so far as to say that the judge sounds like he was leaning towards Kozmo.com...
Your example of the shuttle and NASA certainly has merit. I recall an excellent article geared towards the DEV/QA crowd that detailed the processes and methodologies they use. For example, every single class or function is 100% documented in detail, including _all_ variables and any dependecies. This goes into a DB they maintain specifically for this. If a change is made then they have no further to look than the DB to be able to compare where and what.
However I would say that even that level of attention to detail does not deliver what is being asked. The truth about the quality process is that there IS NO SUCH THING AS DEFECT FREE. It isn't possible without restricting the size of the application. The trick is to correctly identify the critical defects, and to follow the 80/20 rule. Once those defects are resolved, take what's left and do it again...
for these companies to farm out the rebate programs to 3rd party vendors.
"...whether these rebates are only a scam by companies to get people to buy the products due to the advertised after-rebate prices, and then they figure that most people won't submit the rebate requests to begin with and for those that do, they will make it as difficult as possible to receive the promised rebate money."
I've had the same experience - OFTEN! - and have fairly extensive experience dealing with this crap. The explanation for this finally came from a marketdroid at work when we were about to offer one of these ourselves. It IS a scam - just legal based on the fine-print of the law.
Sure now the dang thing has been hacked. But that doesn't make it particularly usefull - yet. This hack seems to center around the fact that an autistic(?) little boy benefitted from the Furby as an educational toy. Truely a wonderful thing! But - just how much forward progress will this child's mother be able to make (and anyone trying to use this for an educational purpose) while the tools require advanced development skills? What there needs to be is a second contest (anyone care to sponser? *grin*) that focuses on developing development tools which can be used by non-techie folks. When those become available and this boys mom can fire up her winblows 2010 and "make stuff happen", then we'll have true brag material.
The stolen G312 machine, valued at £100,000, is one of only three similar machines known to exist..
Perhaps a bit of exageration there on your part timothy..
Perhaps destroying Mir is a misguided idea. I'm of the mind that we should be studying that crap to see how the heck it's able to survive - we might gain valuable insight into doing a better job of ourselves surviving in space..
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True enough, but perhaps I should have said "unified" system?
With apt, you not only get your package dependencies solved along with the latest software, you get the work that was put in to making Debian a coherent system that adheres to the Debian policy.
But isn't that what the whole concept of "distribution" was supposed to mean? After all, what makes or breaks the operating system isn't necessarily how good _it_ is, but how well it "enables" the use of the software that is used for *task*.
On that note, while I really think apt is killer I also agree that the true success behind it is the work done by the package maintainers.
Flame me all you want but I think what's really needed is some definitive standard for packages similar to the Win-world Installshield idea. There should be some way for the install routine (make install?) to check some DB (linux has a few of those around, right?) and see if a particular app is installed and where. Think the windows registry but for info purposes only so that the install can be more efficient. This would allow me to automate the use *.deb, *.rpm or compile my own and still keep track of apps and dependencies..
Not specifically trying to flame you, but I certainly would hope so; otherwise I would be forced to make the bald statement that you are obviously a crappy IT person..
/.) believe that since there is "only a chance in a million that something goes wrong", are willing to roll the dice for everyone..
Look at this realisticly - anyone who had ever written/tested/maintained a complex system knows just how difficult they are to "debug". Much worse is that a faulty element in a system usually ends up breaking something downstream, rather than the element itself. On top of that it is fairly well accepted that the more complex a system the more delicate the balance between it's components. Most of the crowd in this forum are the elite of the IT business - and I bet they would agree that there are interactions in their own work that occur for which they have no explanations. No explanations other than that the fault lies outside of their immediate area of responsibility; can anyone say *object oriented*?
Now if we can't with absolute certainty guarantee how a piece of software will behave under all conditions, why are we so willing to chance the same with DNA when we aren't even the "authors of the code"?
Am I phobic about genegeneering, do I want it banned? No definately not. That is definately the future humanity must pursue for reasons stated over and over here and elsewhere. My issue is with the people who (as quoted from another thread here on
You are so right on this. That most people find this newsworthy is a simple testament to "how far from the land" people have become; ie: city folk.
In fact at this very moment I have a large photo of the entirety of my family farm hanging on my wall. The scale of the picture is roughly 2KM by 5 KM and believe me when I say that it's not too difficult to distinguish every feature including my Dad's car. Actually we have one from every five year period between 1965 until 1985, which makes it kinda neat to see how the area developed over the last x-years as the farm expanded..
This is actually very typical and has been done with fly-overs since at least the late 60's. That they have begun to use satellite to do this is hardly surprising since you get more area with a higher detail for less money...
Sounds to me like those weren't family farmers in involved since they would know about this kind of stuff.
from the concept of my lending a friend the actual CD? I ask because as I recall, that behaviour was termed "piracy" by that industry anti-piracy association, and such corporate wonders as Microsoft themselves.
In fact, according to this item on the MS website, this IS piracy.
Software piracy also occurs when someone makes more copies than permitted, or when, for example, he or she borrows a copy of a program from someone else.
It is supposed to be a full-version that arrives on your desktop, right? So that does sound like I will be "borrowing a copy from someone else.", right? So why is it is that when that someone else is a large corporation this is classified as renting, and is legal but my lending the CD is *wrong*/*evil*/*illegal*/immoral*/pick your term..
It's nice to know that if money is to be made that it's legal.. Guess from now on I'll have my friends drop a $0.25 piece on my kitchen table as they leave with the CD..
Why go even that far. If TiVO were smart they would introduce a 2nd-tier service plan which is composed of one single thing - time syncing.. Let'em charge that $1 themselves and this whole problem would vanish. It would be a win-win situation.
A large number of (leased) cable boxes include an anti tamper circuit. Take the screws out and pop the cover in the wrong way, the unit gets zorched.
...
Well wouldn't unplugging it for a few days remove that possibility? Surely they couldn't do that with any battery that was small enough to survive in there; not with so much more juice going in from the A/C
"Really, guy,... do get. I can see ISPs grumbling about bandwidth costs, but your reaction is a wee bit overdone."
~flame~
Why's that, because by volume the bandwidth these bastards steal from me isn't sufficient for your tastes?
~flameoff~
I may not exactly agree that spammers are monsters, but they certainly aren't engendering themselves to me by lieing as part of their sales pitch (which are most often also misleading!). I'm a reasonable guy normally and am willing to give commercial enterprise the right to send one single original email to me unsolicited - with few restrictions.
That Washington law sounds just about right; with the addition (or was it already there?) of the absolute requirement that upon request all my info (complete!) would be removed/deleted and made unavailable for any purpose..
Free software should prosper because it's a better model, not because people are forced into it so they can use certain programs...
Ok, so prove it's the better model.
Exactly, *you* can't - because only market forces over a period of time can do that. I'm on your side and I agree that the cure should never be worse than the disease, but this is just another way to affect those market forces.
In fact this might well be the best way to make a contribution to the success of Free Software, by ensuring that something of the vision remains once the tangibles become freely available..
Right off that site, the best terms for shareware I ever heard!
Registration BrickHouse is a shareware product. The cost is $25 per machine. I'm of the opinion that people will either pay shareware fees, or they won't. You may use BrickHouse without registering it until you feel that it is worth $25 to you. If you like BrickHouse, you should pay the shareware fee to help ensure future development of the product.
From the American Superconductor site link I wasn't able to determine any details of the actual manufacturing process. It does indicate that the there are "oxide compounds" involved - but..!
I also couldn't find any indication of the life of this. How long until it begins to breakdown, and when it does what compounds will be released into the ground? And what does the manufacturing process put into the atmosphere in the way of by-product gases and other exhaust? If I understand correctly there is a stream of coolant (liquid nitrogen!) inside the pipe bundle - what happens if the pipe breaks? And of course - what are they going to do with all that cable that was ripped out..
Sounds like a neat idea, but not enough info for me to decide if they really thought this through..
Not to deny the roots of the internet, but is it still appropriate that a US government body (Commerce Department) still makes these decisions? I question the right of a US body to continue to make decisions concerning what is a global resource. At the least this type of thing should go to a panel with reps from all the major countries. As we all realize by now, Corporatism appears to not only have it's roots in American society but it most strongly propelled forward by those self-same American companies.
A real shame, the vision of "the net" as held by those who created is less and less a reality every day something like this occurs..
"the" problem. As IANAL nor are 99% of the population here on /. ;access is not the factor limiting the usefullness of a patent library. As someone else mentioned, there is a *.gov point-of-access. However I believe the limiting factor is that the patents themselves, while of a technical nature are still written in lawyer-speak. It would be very usefull to have unlimited access to the DB, but until I finish that bar exam, I'm likely not the most qualified to determine a match. Heck, the people who ARE the most qualified likely still have the means to access it anyway..
No doubt some think me wrong about this.. feel free to express YOUR opinion.
As I recall this series is supposed to take place just prior to the birth of the Federation as we know it from ST:TOS. This means that warp tech aside, the day to day tech should be relatively close in terms of evolution, to what we have currently. In the Trek world television is dead; and the first and only time we even see the device on the show is in the pilot. For a moment during a scene when Capt. Pike is in his quarters. Since "Enterprise" takes place before this, we should be seeing tv's everywhere that crew relax. Either way, Bakula is a good actor and should be old enough by now to pass as a captain-type. And while I like "Andromeda", Bakula surely can't look any odder in the role of a ship's Captain than Kevin Sorbo!
I applaud the effort to make universal stardards and IM clients that use them. These are exactly the type of efforts necessary to make it work. But- is it me or am I the only person who is becoming less and less interested in being "instantly available"..? And more and more I find myself wanting ways to do the exact opposite, and make myself harder to find.
While I'm not totally against the concept of "rights" in the form of "pay the person whose content you use, I would like to know exactly where in this mess of crap are MY rights protected? I think shit like this is way out of line when implemented as hardware requirements . Who the hell made the Movie and Song industries the people who get to choose how I use things for which I've already paid for?? Hell, never mind about the content that I've paid for, who the hell made them the arbitrers of how HARDWARE that I purchased - PURCHASED!- functions? It's ridiculous to the extreme and would make for some seriously deadly comparisons to other industries. You'll notice that if Ford doesn't like how I drive my car, they can shove it up their ass. The same of course goes for the people who made my microwave, and desk lamp; all of them can think whatever they like but having paid for these goods, I decide how I use them.. And can anyone tell me where the concept of free and open markets making decisions on what (products) live or die, went...?? Bastards one and all..
points to this being a cooperative effort between the US and Canada, with the FBI coordinating the US aspect.
From the order:
"IT APPEARING that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into acts which would constitute violations of Sections 322 (theft) and 430 (mischief) of the Criminal Code of Canada, and that one or more of the subjects of said investigation are unknown,..."
The interesting part, appealing heavily to those conspiracy-theory types is the fact that there has been little or no media on the subject (Quebec City/ conference of the Americas) since last week. And potentially disturbing is the total lack of ANY media reports concerning this specific incident with the court order.
or are you just glad to see me?" could gain new meaning. The article identifies that they require use of a laser.
And it's identified as: A femtosecond laser is a laser that irradiates for an extremely short period of time -- one-1,000-trillionth of a second.
This suggests that if they could figure out how to get the femstosecond laser firepower into a device the size of the typical hand-help laser pointer then we'd have ultimate unlimited storage. But the question I'd like to know is how much energy is expended by a single pulse and what does it equate to that is already in general use. It would be amazing if a set of rechargeable 9v batteries did the trick, but I suspect this would be more along the lines of the requirements for industrial laser cutters which I believe use 600w transformers.. Can anyone with real experience in the field comment on these things?
As the article states:
"I filed suit in California Small Claims Court for $500 against Kozmo.com for violating our agreement and sections 17538.45 and 17538.4 of the California Business and Professions Code"
Looking up the sections that are referenced, it appears that a great deal may hinge on the interpretation of this paragraph:
In any action brought pursuant to paragraph (1), the electronic mail service provider shall be required to establish as an element of its cause of action that prior to the alleged violation, the defendant had actual notice of both of the following: The electronic mail service provider's policy on unsolicited electronic mail advertising. The fact that the defendant's unsolicited electronic mail advertisements would use or cause to be used the electronic mail service provider's equipment located in this state.
What this effectively means is that the case was won because she may reasonably be considered a form of service provider.
The status of "service provider" isn't something that just anyone can claim. What would have been the outcome had she been a regular internet user; I'd put my money on odds that she would have lost, and I think it is reasonable to say that her award of $50 (she asked for $500) demonstrates the premise that the judge "barely" accepted her points. I'd even go so far as to say that the judge sounds like he was leaning towards Kozmo.com...
Your example of the shuttle and NASA certainly has merit. I recall an excellent article geared towards the DEV/QA crowd that detailed the processes and methodologies they use. For example, every single class or function is 100% documented in detail, including _all_ variables and any dependecies. This goes into a DB they maintain specifically for this. If a change is made then they have no further to look than the DB to be able to compare where and what. However I would say that even that level of attention to detail does not deliver what is being asked. The truth about the quality process is that there IS NO SUCH THING AS DEFECT FREE. It isn't possible without restricting the size of the application. The trick is to correctly identify the critical defects, and to follow the 80/20 rule. Once those defects are resolved, take what's left and do it again...
for these companies to farm out the rebate programs to 3rd party vendors.
"...whether these rebates are only a scam by companies to get people to buy the products due to the advertised after-rebate prices, and then they figure that most people won't submit the rebate requests to begin with and for those that do, they will make it as difficult as possible to receive the promised rebate money." I've had the same experience - OFTEN! - and have fairly extensive experience dealing with this crap. The explanation for this finally came from a marketdroid at work when we were about to offer one of these ourselves. It IS a scam - just legal based on the fine-print of the law.
said "There are lies, damn lies, and Statistics"?
I mean really, 90% can't manage more than 15 computers? I can do 5 at home by myself..
Sure now the dang thing has been hacked. But that doesn't make it particularly usefull - yet. This hack seems to center around the fact that an autistic(?) little boy benefitted from the Furby as an educational toy. Truely a wonderful thing! But - just how much forward progress will this child's mother be able to make (and anyone trying to use this for an educational purpose) while the tools require advanced development skills?
What there needs to be is a second contest (anyone care to sponser? *grin*) that focuses on developing development tools which can be used by non-techie folks. When those become available and this boys mom can fire up her winblows 2010 and "make stuff happen", then we'll have true brag material.
Just the facts.. keep your flames to yourself..
The stolen G312 machine, valued at £100,000, is one of only three similar machines known to exist..
Perhaps a bit of exageration there on your part timothy..
Perhaps destroying Mir is a misguided idea. I'm of the mind that we should be studying that crap to see how the heck it's able to survive - we might gain valuable insight into doing a better job of ourselves surviving in space..