if you don't know which distros are not using systemd by now, you aren't working hard enough, bye bye and enjoy your new home at freeBSD which will eventually get a systemd/launchd system as they are investigating using one themselves.
"If needs to be, I'll go so far as making my distro myself to avoid systemd." - you could join the periphery and try the debian fork devuan, not sure if its got any traction yet.
"It's eating the ACPI events from the ACPI sleep button and refuses to acknowledge that they exist and won't send them anywhere." - have you done anything about reporting as it not every computer labels ACPI events in the same way? have a read of this https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind... - configuration section to see if helps
"Now, if you want to use Gnome3 -- or even ship it for your users -- it depends on logind, etc" - i guess your typical troll pig ignorance is showing. poettering actually wrote a bit of software so Gnome didn't have to use logind but Gnome decided not to use it. http://www.linuxvoice.com/inte...
i'll mark your AC words as Trolling based on ignorance
no, he's correct. its amazing that some sysadmins think that its okay for a computer to simplify other peoples lives but as soon as a system comes along that threatens their cosy little domain by making admin easier (once learnt) they get the shit-fits.
"systemd is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit."
journal - captures Syslog messages, Kernel log messages, initial RAM disk and early boot messages as well as messages written to STDOUT/STDERR of all services, indexes them and makes this available to the user. It can be used in parallel, or in place of a traditional syslog daemon, such as rsyslog or syslog-ng.
thats probably more down to your lack of experience with systemd than with systemd itself (if its true, i don;t tend to believe ACs). better get reading about systemd and its capabilities
FreeBSD are looking into an "init" replacement in next few years as well so you'll have to change again.
"The Debian mailing lists and bug tracker are full of reports about problems due to systemd. " - i bet they are full of reports of problems that are not systemd as well, especially an UNSTABLE release
"Hundreds of DOS ini files, having to compile things instead of just modding a script, and not being able to step through a startup or shutdown process is not what we all consider easily manageable." - what system are we talking about here?
Lots of factories have large roofs that are suitable for solar, and it they are really large, they could possibly have wind turbines too. Even a 50% saving on power intensive factories would be useful to their energy bills. Unless they have tied themselves in a contract that says "use this amount and get it at this price, if you use less, it will cost more" . Micrsoft had this problem a few years ago where they were going to use that agreed so they turned everything on to use enough power to stay in the cheaper bracket.
i would have thought having only one large energy storage unit is a single point of failure. It would be more resilient to have loads of linked community micro-grids and micro-storage units connected to the national grid. More resilience, more jobs, more competition and less pressure on the national grid would be the outcome
A couple of quotes from an article on Forbes about this:-
“Using brushless DC motors and lithium battery cells, Rutherford’s turbopumps decouple the thermodynamic problem immediately,” said Beck. “We’re able to do things never capable before in a propulsion system. It takes complex piece of machinery and makes it simple.”
"Of course, designing the engine this way comes with its own set of challenges. The electric motor that powers the pump is about the size of a can of soda, but operates at 50 horsepower."
“Typically a rocket engine takes months,” said Beck. “We can build a Rutherford in 3 days.”
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"Take your conclusions, if you are too busy insulting people and making up stuff." eh? i'm not sure what you are on about with that statement.
systemd will not work on FreeBSD because of linux kernel features so they will probably design their own implementation. read this http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/... or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
as in only systemd? did you read the the link?
if you don't know which distros are not using systemd by now, you aren't working hard enough, bye bye and enjoy your new home at freeBSD which will eventually get a systemd/launchd system as they are investigating using one themselves.
wise words for the anti-systemd'ers but probably lost on them. they seem to expect to have the knowledge of a new system without learning about it.
ooo an AC thats NOT ignorant... nicely put. shame the anti-systemd trolls modded you down
"If needs to be, I'll go so far as making my distro myself to avoid systemd." - you could join the periphery and try the debian fork devuan, not sure if its got any traction yet.
"It's eating the ACPI events from the ACPI sleep button and refuses to acknowledge that they exist and won't send them anywhere." - have you done anything about reporting as it not every computer labels ACPI events in the same way? have a read of this https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind... - configuration section to see if helps
systemd does not use those 50+ binaries unless you configure systemd to use them - sounds like you don;t know what you are talking about
don;t make stupid comments on the word of ignorant trolls, it makes you look stupid
don't hold your breath too long
"Now, if you want to use Gnome3 -- or even ship it for your users -- it depends on logind, etc" - i guess your typical troll pig ignorance is showing. poettering actually wrote a bit of software so Gnome didn't have to use logind but Gnome decided not to use it. http://www.linuxvoice.com/inte...
i'll mark your AC words as Trolling based on ignorance
no, he's correct. its amazing that some sysadmins think that its okay for a computer to simplify other peoples lives but as soon as a system comes along that threatens their cosy little domain by making admin easier (once learnt) they get the shit-fits.
"systemd is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit."
journal - captures Syslog messages, Kernel log messages, initial RAM disk and early boot messages as well as messages written to STDOUT/STDERR of all services, indexes them and makes this available to the user. It can be used in parallel, or in place of a traditional syslog daemon, such as rsyslog or syslog-ng.
for more info http://www.freedesktop.org/wik...
and systemd works with the linux only Cgroups
look up how to use "journalctl", i'm sure even you could use it
thats probably more down to your lack of experience with systemd than with systemd itself (if its true, i don;t tend to believe ACs). better get reading about systemd and its capabilities
" I want to step through 3000 steps manually before I get to my program of interest," - what are those 3000 steps?
FreeBSD are looking into an "init" replacement in next few years as well so you'll have to change again.
"The Debian mailing lists and bug tracker are full of reports about problems due to systemd. " - i bet they are full of reports of problems that are not systemd as well, especially an UNSTABLE release
"Hundreds of DOS ini files, having to compile things instead of just modding a script, and not being able to step through a startup or shutdown process is not what we all consider easily manageable." - what system are we talking about here?
its next release is 220 so you should be fine
it forces you to upgrade, so not a silly idea from their perspective
why would he sell them? he could just rent them at a low rent.
Lots of factories have large roofs that are suitable for solar, and it they are really large, they could possibly have wind turbines too. Even a 50% saving on power intensive factories would be useful to their energy bills. Unless they have tied themselves in a contract that says "use this amount and get it at this price, if you use less, it will cost more" . Micrsoft had this problem a few years ago where they were going to use that agreed so they turned everything on to use enough power to stay in the cheaper bracket.
i would have thought having only one large energy storage unit is a single point of failure. It would be more resilient to have loads of linked community micro-grids and micro-storage units connected to the national grid. More resilience, more jobs, more competition and less pressure on the national grid would be the outcome
A couple of quotes from an article on Forbes about this:-
“Using brushless DC motors and lithium battery cells, Rutherford’s turbopumps decouple the thermodynamic problem immediately,” said Beck. “We’re able to do things never capable before in a propulsion system. It takes complex piece of machinery and makes it simple.”
"Of course, designing the engine this way comes with its own set of challenges. The electric motor that powers the pump is about the size of a can of soda, but operates at 50 horsepower."
“Typically a rocket engine takes months,” said Beck. “We can build a Rutherford in 3 days.”