i didnt look down on human resources. i pointed out the 'fantasy land' dreamscape of that field. their evaluations, expectations, criteria that are devoid of the practical reality, the disproportionate power they hold over the fates of the employees - these create a total fantasy land over practical reality.
it isnt working. there is no way to change it. because it is what it is. and those who are keeping it that way, are the same people. even if you want to change capitalist democracy, you will have to buy the people who will change it. your other option is a revolution - something which most of you still unwilling to go with, or unsure about. not to mention the general awareness of the populace not being high enough.
Most socialist countries can't afford to give all people homes, with the exception of maybe Northern Europe
thats because the only locale that has been left untouched by united states' puppet building and dictator making, not to mention shit like gladio (due to avoiding nato membership) has been northern europe.
all other locales of the planets had their share of u.s. political, economical or military interventions ( when others failed ).
that's thanks to the rather desolate climate and lacking resources of northern europe, and lack of their strategic importance. anything they would be valuable for were already covered by other countries until then.
The very reason those countries are still in knee deep shit even 50 years after getting free of being colonies of european countries, was u.s.
so, the reason socialism and socialist attempts have failed in ANY given country, is united states itself. the biggest example being cuba, and the sole reason being the totally illegal embargo u.s. enforces over cuba worldwide, with the only countries that can run past u.s. pressure and political influence and military power and trade with cuba being china and russia . any other country of the world hesitates from doing anything with cuba, and it is used only as a means to card to play in relations with u.s. if u.s. does anything to upset that nation. and EVEN in that case, healthcare in cuba is better than healthcare in usa, and u.s. rich secretly fly there to get fixed. whereas the u.s. poor keeps foaming at the mouth about cuba.
thankfully cuba has stood so long, due to the protection of ussr and later russia. otherwise, u.s. would put an end to the socialism there the month it came to being - they actually tried it in bay of pigs too.
Capitalism maybe a broken system but socialism is no better, they are just broken in different ways.
just look at sweden and see. there are homeless there, yes, but they are homeless out of choice, not out of necessity. and, there is a good amount in between them that develop into poets, writers or authors eventually.
If you keep in defense, this will keep coming with pipa, popa, schupa, schmugga, and eventually they will succeed. The only way to fix this issue, is to go on the offensive, and passing legislation that will prevent such crap, and neutralizing the content industry and its assaults.
google, amazon, ebay et al - its their task. they need to start buying congressmen/senators, and start buying laws, now. Because thats how the capitalist democracies work.
It doesnt even change from country to country. Indeed, you get 100 channels, and at most 10 out of that 100 is some watchable stuff, with 3 that out of ten are the real sellers that are put there to make people buy it (sports, some documentary channels, some major mainstream stuff), and rest 90 channels are just shit.
even discovery channel had splintered itself to around 10 channels and diluted its content by spreading its noteworthy programs to those 10 channels, and 'marketing' them separately.
really.... sometimes i think that we need to shut down all 'marketing' departments to make the world a better place.
We started democracy when the country was still very small, smaller than Athens
oh no you didnt. dont talk on things you dont know. until late 18th century, colonies were run as properties of whomever the crown chartered the land to. ranging from aristocrats to religious leaders like franklin, to companies and whatnot. there was no 'democracy' in that. and before that, they were crown's property.
and no son of god can come up and say that the population of colonies was 30,000 circa 1770.
and yes - you actually have switched over to a democracy and a constitution in the duration of a mere 50 years -> mostly thanks to the french enlightenment writers.
0.75M military men who died in action in the Ottoman Empire or on its borders
what does that even mean ? so, military men who died in action, are now 'genocide victims' ?
Armenian genocide, which was indeed ongoing through 1915 - 1923
no such 'genocide' or killing of armenians in between 1916-1923. there was only the forced winter march. if there was any kind of 'genocide' even for a year, there was no power in the world that would stop ottoman empire from eradicating every single armenian in its borders during that world war. as evidenced by how they were able to force an entire armenian population to go to a winter march, instead of shooting them on the spot, or having 'nationalist gangs' shoot them on the spot and blaming insurgents - which were a plenty.
and in between 1918-1920, FRENCH were in control of most of eastern anatolia due to the occupation. so, you are basically saying that french killed armenians. this is what happens when you follow shitty lobby resources.
*Cough*...BULLSHIT!....*Cough* Have fun with a Times article [nytimes.com]... Hundreds of Armenians were rounded up and executed in April, 1915. Documented.
oh, that should be why there are still rich armenian families still sitting on immense wealth which came undisrupted manufacturing & trade businesses that predate ottoman period then. or the prominent pashas and bureaucrats that were armenian. or, armenian owned palaces which were just recently made into museums in the latter half of this century.........
really. give me 1 million every year, and i will make half of the planet believe that americans killed more than 100 million native americans during the usurpation of north american continent. it just takes a lobbying corporation and a lobbying group to handle that. the armenian organizations in turkey themselves are in disagreement with the fantastic numbers and made up incidents that are being produced by the lobby in america. but, hey - lobby in america has more money, and more mouthpieces.
the reality is that, everyone was killing everyone in anatolia in between 1914-1918. kurds, turks, armenians, any ethnic population which was noticeable, had 'nationalist' gangs that are out in the mountains. these gangs have used to terrorize and mandate their vicinity. they ask supplies from you - if you dont give them money and supplies, youre dead. doesnt matter whether you were from the same ethnicity. and in addition, they of course killed and pillaged other ethnicities' houses too. you could see turks killing kurds kurds killing armenians armenians killing turks and any combination of it.
the reality is that, these were just the excuse in 20th century for around 500 year old anatolian highwaymen lifestyle. there had always been such gangs since mid 1600, and the excuse/rationalization for their existence changed with time.
more than 150 person got rounded and shot starting from 1914 i can assure you. the stupidity is, to load this onto ottoman government, or turks - who had the power to kill every single member of an ethnicity at that point in time, because there was already a world war, nothing to prevent them from doing it, or nothing to lose.
That post was a response to GP's assertion that "The United States is the global leader in tyranny, bloodshed, and misery. More tyranny, bloodshed, and misery has been propagated by our leaders over the past 100 years than anyone else in the world...
as for this, its all in propaganda indeed. for example, did a genocide happen in nikaragua ?
no. you would say. because, it was not only kept under wraps, but also presented otherwise.
first, capitalization, even misspelling does not have any effect in legibility. as the letter ordering experiment from oxford shows. second, are you really comparing capitalization with sarcasm ?
Good. I'm glad you are starting to understand the difficulty of the problem. In fact, it is a much more complicated problem than server software or load balancing.
it isnt. you are making it up. if you think otherwise, stop employing democracy as the political system of your nation. it was invented and used by greek city states that had no more than 20-30,000 population at their peak.
Why do you even watch fox news?
to know what other spectrum thinks. not for a long time now however, since they always repeat themselves. once one gets the pattern, easy to know what they would parrot in any given issue.
And yet, PHPs raison d'etre is that real frameworks were too hard to figure out
wrong. the main reason php came into being was the need for a framework that was fast to develop on, and non proprietary. asp was there otherwise. cgi was also there, but it was not flexible.
'people struggled to deploy real applications on it' ? you probably are joking. or you havent at all delved into what php has become. flickr, facebook, yahoo... if you are not counting what runs on these sites as 'real applications', then you are probably referring to non web related or niche applications that do other things than serving data out to users on the internet. quelle surprise ! - there are endless numbers of php libraries that do very queer things if you compile php with too.
but who am i talking to. you are just going to keep yourself in your narrow world where 'real applications' reside.
Actually i matured 5 years or so ago, after spending some 10 years in the delusion of thinking that the fields i was in were more 'elite' than the others. they were different fields than programming. but, the core concept of 'our work is tougher and more elite - other people are not as elite as us' nonsense was the same.
have you had any kind of systems and control courses in your college/university. apparently, you havent... else you wouldnt be this lost when the word 'system' is uttered.
im talking from an engineering perspective. im not talking from the perspective of a shitty fox news talking head at the moment s/he uses the word 'system' to bash some political subject undesirable to her leashholders or a braindead right wing senator when s/he tries to bark some more mccarthyism to the world.
this is not some server software. or a load balancer. you arent going to try making the system taken from finland work in usa by employing the same number of bureaucrats, or the same amount of datacenters. everything that needs to be done to scale, already naturally done to scale.
50 posts by PHP developers asking what a stored proc is
we feel offended. as if a thousand developers cried in agony because someone who is in a different field thinks that his field is more elite than ours. oh the humanity !
hear ye ! hear ye ! person in random field thinks those in another field are less important and knowledgeable - and their work too.
you have strayed a lot about from the subject. focus. its not whether you want to live in finland or not. its the fact that there is a system that actually works. and the only thing preventing the same thing from working in america is the continuing propaganda and prevention of a minority wealthy that will get their interests damaged by that system.
scale ? a system that works for 2 million, works the same for 200 million. that's why it is called a SYSTEM. not 'tradition' or 'way to do things'. we are not trying to carry over some tribal barter customs from 2 million to 200 million.
everything that is needed to run a fine social security system, ranging from the bureaucracy and methods to what kind of databases to use for what, are present in finland. the data within those databases could as well have been u.s. citizens. but, they arent. because there are those who dont want their self-interest harmed by a better society.
do your military service, and then come punch me in the throat.
True, Finland has a mixed economy that more closely resembles America's.
it has a social democrat economy. it is nowhere near america's. if anything that is in finland was proposed in the past 50 years in usa, the proposer would be crucified out of politics as a communist. anyone who is attempting to do that is now being labeled and crucified as a 'slightly less derogatory term' , which is "socialist".
in american's twisted and tweaked understanding, finland is socialist. DESPITE it is actually social democrat. you people dont even know the difference in between the two.
Yes, yes they are, Norway and Sweden have lots of natural resources. They are a good model for what a great country Saudi Arabia could become if the royalty ever decided to use the oil money to help the people instead of putting it in their own personal bank accounts.
no they dont. norway drills for oil, sweden has shit. even with oil, what u.s has in all kinds of amenities and resources cannot be compared with what norway has, not in a millions of years. and if norwegians were like americans, a few thousand would eat up all the money that comes from oil, and the rest few million would dabble in poverty.
Oh right, lets just look at economies that survive on digging stuff out of the ground and selling it. We can have our economy work just like theirs, right? Maybe I can go dig some stuff out of my backyard right now.
you also have reading comprehension problems.
scandinavia is not digging anything. they just dont have even things to dig. usa has everything it needs without relying on any other country in the world to maintain a high level technology and industry. despite that, their innovation per person is ridiculous.
Sorry, if the only argument you can come up with is "it works in Scandinavia" then you are ignorant, and not even worth talking to.
it works in scandinavia despite they dont have shit. especially places like finland. if, americans cant make it work while sitting on all kinds of amenities and resources, it means your mindset is the problem, not social security.
Maybe you should apply for the 'kick in the face' entitlement. But I would beat you down.
you havent even done military service. you wouldnt be able to kick anyone down.
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i didnt look down on human resources. i pointed out the 'fantasy land' dreamscape of that field. their evaluations, expectations, criteria that are devoid of the practical reality, the disproportionate power they hold over the fates of the employees - these create a total fantasy land over practical reality.
i didnt say 'buy one law' and then stop.
If capitalist democracy isn't working
it isnt working. there is no way to change it. because it is what it is. and those who are keeping it that way, are the same people. even if you want to change capitalist democracy, you will have to buy the people who will change it. your other option is a revolution - something which most of you still unwilling to go with, or unsure about. not to mention the general awareness of the populace not being high enough.
Most socialist countries can't afford to give all people homes, with the exception of maybe Northern Europe
thats because the only locale that has been left untouched by united states' puppet building and dictator making, not to mention shit like gladio (due to avoiding nato membership) has been northern europe.
all other locales of the planets had their share of u.s. political, economical or military interventions ( when others failed ).
that's thanks to the rather desolate climate and lacking resources of northern europe, and lack of their strategic importance. anything they would be valuable for were already covered by other countries until then.
and africa had to deal with the below shit :
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html
The very reason those countries are still in knee deep shit even 50 years after getting free of being colonies of european countries, was u.s.
so, the reason socialism and socialist attempts have failed in ANY given country, is united states itself. the biggest example being cuba, and the sole reason being the totally illegal embargo u.s. enforces over cuba worldwide, with the only countries that can run past u.s. pressure and political influence and military power and trade with cuba being china and russia . any other country of the world hesitates from doing anything with cuba, and it is used only as a means to card to play in relations with u.s. if u.s. does anything to upset that nation. and EVEN in that case, healthcare in cuba is better than healthcare in usa, and u.s. rich secretly fly there to get fixed. whereas the u.s. poor keeps foaming at the mouth about cuba.
thankfully cuba has stood so long, due to the protection of ussr and later russia. otherwise, u.s. would put an end to the socialism there the month it came to being - they actually tried it in bay of pigs too.
Capitalism maybe a broken system but socialism is no better, they are just broken in different ways.
just look at sweden and see. there are homeless there, yes, but they are homeless out of choice, not out of necessity. and, there is a good amount in between them that develop into poets, writers or authors eventually.
The Good News is that people are learning to love the smell of shit.
indeed. as one joke in a japanese anime so aptly put it :
...."
....
"Even an old man's armpits grow on you with prolonged exposure
im telling you.... the people making those animes. crazy
If you keep in defense, this will keep coming with pipa, popa, schupa, schmugga, and eventually they will succeed. The only way to fix this issue, is to go on the offensive, and passing legislation that will prevent such crap, and neutralizing the content industry and its assaults.
google, amazon, ebay et al - its their task. they need to start buying congressmen/senators, and start buying laws, now. Because thats how the capitalist democracies work.
It doesnt even change from country to country. Indeed, you get 100 channels, and at most 10 out of that 100 is some watchable stuff, with 3 that out of ten are the real sellers that are put there to make people buy it (sports, some documentary channels, some major mainstream stuff), and rest 90 channels are just shit.
even discovery channel had splintered itself to around 10 channels and diluted its content by spreading its noteworthy programs to those 10 channels, and 'marketing' them separately.
really.... sometimes i think that we need to shut down all 'marketing' departments to make the world a better place.
human resources ......... they constitute a total fantasy land in themselves.
We started democracy when the country was still very small, smaller than Athens
oh no you didnt. dont talk on things you dont know. until late 18th century, colonies were run as properties of whomever the crown chartered the land to. ranging from aristocrats to religious leaders like franklin, to companies and whatnot. there was no 'democracy' in that. and before that, they were crown's property.
and no son of god can come up and say that the population of colonies was 30,000 circa 1770.
and yes - you actually have switched over to a democracy and a constitution in the duration of a mere 50 years -> mostly thanks to the french enlightenment writers.
0.75M military men who died in action in the Ottoman Empire or on its borders
what does that even mean ? so, military men who died in action, are now 'genocide victims' ?
Armenian genocide, which was indeed ongoing through 1915 - 1923
no such 'genocide' or killing of armenians in between 1916-1923. there was only the forced winter march. if there was any kind of 'genocide' even for a year, there was no power in the world that would stop ottoman empire from eradicating every single armenian in its borders during that world war. as evidenced by how they were able to force an entire armenian population to go to a winter march, instead of shooting them on the spot, or having 'nationalist gangs' shoot them on the spot and blaming insurgents - which were a plenty.
and in between 1918-1920, FRENCH were in control of most of eastern anatolia due to the occupation. so, you are basically saying that french killed armenians. this is what happens when you follow shitty lobby resources.
*Cough*...BULLSHIT!....*Cough* Have fun with a Times article [nytimes.com]... Hundreds of Armenians were rounded up and executed in April, 1915. Documented.
oh, that should be why there are still rich armenian families still sitting on immense wealth which came undisrupted manufacturing & trade businesses that predate ottoman period then. or the prominent pashas and bureaucrats that were armenian. or, armenian owned palaces which were just recently made into museums in the latter half of this century .........
really. give me 1 million every year, and i will make half of the planet believe that americans killed more than 100 million native americans during the usurpation of north american continent. it just takes a lobbying corporation and a lobbying group to handle that. the armenian organizations in turkey themselves are in disagreement with the fantastic numbers and made up incidents that are being produced by the lobby in america. but, hey - lobby in america has more money, and more mouthpieces.
the reality is that, everyone was killing everyone in anatolia in between 1914-1918. kurds, turks, armenians, any ethnic population which was noticeable, had 'nationalist' gangs that are out in the mountains. these gangs have used to terrorize and mandate their vicinity. they ask supplies from you - if you dont give them money and supplies, youre dead. doesnt matter whether you were from the same ethnicity. and in addition, they of course killed and pillaged other ethnicities' houses too. you could see turks killing kurds kurds killing armenians armenians killing turks and any combination of it.
the reality is that, these were just the excuse in 20th century for around 500 year old anatolian highwaymen lifestyle. there had always been such gangs since mid 1600, and the excuse/rationalization for their existence changed with time.
more than 150 person got rounded and shot starting from 1914 i can assure you. the stupidity is, to load this onto ottoman government, or turks - who had the power to kill every single member of an ethnicity at that point in time, because there was already a world war, nothing to prevent them from doing it, or nothing to lose.
That post was a response to GP's assertion that "The United States is the global leader in tyranny, bloodshed, and misery. More tyranny, bloodshed, and misery has been propagated by our leaders over the past 100 years than anyone else in the world...
as for this, its all in propaganda indeed. for example, did a genocide happen in nikaragua ?
no. you would say. because, it was not only kept under wraps, but also presented otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking#Panama
and more horribly :
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yes. they'll come true with 5 passing years.
first, capitalization, even misspelling does not have any effect in legibility. as the letter ordering experiment from oxford shows. second, are you really comparing capitalization with sarcasm ?
Good. I'm glad you are starting to understand the difficulty of the problem. In fact, it is a much more complicated problem than server software or load balancing.
it isnt. you are making it up. if you think otherwise, stop employing democracy as the political system of your nation. it was invented and used by greek city states that had no more than 20-30,000 population at their peak.
Why do you even watch fox news?
to know what other spectrum thinks. not for a long time now however, since they always repeat themselves. once one gets the pattern, easy to know what they would parrot in any given issue.
And yet, PHPs raison d'etre is that real frameworks were too hard to figure out
wrong. the main reason php came into being was the need for a framework that was fast to develop on, and non proprietary. asp was there otherwise. cgi was also there, but it was not flexible.
... if you are not counting what runs on these sites as 'real applications', then you are probably referring to non web related or niche applications that do other things than serving data out to users on the internet. quelle surprise ! - there are endless numbers of php libraries that do very queer things if you compile php with too.
'people struggled to deploy real applications on it' ? you probably are joking. or you havent at all delved into what php has become. flickr, facebook, yahoo
but who am i talking to. you are just going to keep yourself in your narrow world where 'real applications' reside.
Actually i matured 5 years or so ago, after spending some 10 years in the delusion of thinking that the fields i was in were more 'elite' than the others. they were different fields than programming. but, the core concept of 'our work is tougher and more elite - other people are not as elite as us' nonsense was the same.
i grew over it.
have you had any kind of systems and control courses in your college/university. apparently, you havent ... else you wouldnt be this lost when the word 'system' is uttered.
im talking from an engineering perspective. im not talking from the perspective of a shitty fox news talking head at the moment s/he uses the word 'system' to bash some political subject undesirable to her leashholders or a braindead right wing senator when s/he tries to bark some more mccarthyism to the world.
this is not some server software. or a load balancer. you arent going to try making the system taken from finland work in usa by employing the same number of bureaucrats, or the same amount of datacenters. everything that needs to be done to scale, already naturally done to scale.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=sea&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&site=webhp&source=hp&q=mexican%20gulf%20dead&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&fp=76147c48b2eb760f&ion=1&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=6fc20344b7104202&biw=1181&bih=892&ion=1
perfect corporatespeak.
50 posts by PHP developers asking what a stored proc is
we feel offended. as if a thousand developers cried in agony because someone who is in a different field thinks that his field is more elite than ours. oh the humanity !
hear ye ! hear ye ! person in random field thinks those in another field are less important and knowledgeable - and their work too.
you have strayed a lot about from the subject. focus. its not whether you want to live in finland or not. its the fact that there is a system that actually works. and the only thing preventing the same thing from working in america is the continuing propaganda and prevention of a minority wealthy that will get their interests damaged by that system.
scale ? a system that works for 2 million, works the same for 200 million. that's why it is called a SYSTEM. not 'tradition' or 'way to do things'. we are not trying to carry over some tribal barter customs from 2 million to 200 million.
everything that is needed to run a fine social security system, ranging from the bureaucracy and methods to what kind of databases to use for what, are present in finland. the data within those databases could as well have been u.s. citizens. but, they arent. because there are those who dont want their self-interest harmed by a better society.
FDR's wise leadership
YOU EVIL SOCIALIST !!!!11!!
I should punch you in the throat.
do your military service, and then come punch me in the throat.
True, Finland has a mixed economy that more closely resembles America's.
it has a social democrat economy. it is nowhere near america's. if anything that is in finland was proposed in the past 50 years in usa, the proposer would be crucified out of politics as a communist. anyone who is attempting to do that is now being labeled and crucified as a 'slightly less derogatory term' , which is "socialist".
in american's twisted and tweaked understanding, finland is socialist. DESPITE it is actually social democrat. you people dont even know the difference in between the two.
Yes, yes they are, Norway and Sweden have lots of natural resources. They are a good model for what a great country Saudi Arabia could become if the royalty ever decided to use the oil money to help the people instead of putting it in their own personal bank accounts.
no they dont. norway drills for oil, sweden has shit. even with oil, what u.s has in all kinds of amenities and resources cannot be compared with what norway has, not in a millions of years. and if norwegians were like americans, a few thousand would eat up all the money that comes from oil, and the rest few million would dabble in poverty.
Sorry, which ecosystem was DESTROYED? None. Sure, there was damage, but it will and has healed with time.
what planet were you on, last year ?
entire mexican gulf ecosystem is fucked up now. it will also affect nearby oceans.
then i recommend you to let go of sarcasm. i havent seen it provide any use other than make it harder to discern the true intention of the poster.
Oh right, lets just look at economies that survive on digging stuff out of the ground and selling it. We can have our economy work just like theirs, right? Maybe I can go dig some stuff out of my backyard right now.
you also have reading comprehension problems.
scandinavia is not digging anything. they just dont have even things to dig. usa has everything it needs without relying on any other country in the world to maintain a high level technology and industry. despite that, their innovation per person is ridiculous.
Sorry, if the only argument you can come up with is "it works in Scandinavia" then you are ignorant, and not even worth talking to.
it works in scandinavia despite they dont have shit. especially places like finland. if, americans cant make it work while sitting on all kinds of amenities and resources, it means your mindset is the problem, not social security.
Maybe you should apply for the 'kick in the face' entitlement. But I would beat you down.
you havent even done military service. you wouldnt be able to kick anyone down.