being an uncontested royal douchebag of the lowest order is better than being an ignorant moron of the first order :
Turkey, 1915-20: 1,200,000
this probably pertains to the 'armenian massacre' that happened in world war 1. first, it is not something in between 1915 and fucking 1920, but happened in winter of 1915-1916.
second, entire armenian population of the entire ottoman empire was not more than 1.2 million people, leave aside armenians dead on the winter march in eastern anatolia being 1.2 million
eastern anatolia is not a place that could keep 1.2 million total population in itself, leave aside armenians.
all these ignoring the fact that no armenian anywhere else in the empire was harmed in 1915, and the armenian artisans, bureaucrats, shopkeepers and business owners in istanbul or elsewhere kept about their business as always.
finally, what happened was a forced migration/march in the winter, so that the armenian population would not support russian supplied armenian revolter gangs. purported to be freedom fighters, they were killing anyone who did not supply them with supplies, even if armenians - just like the other 'national' gangs that dotted the anatolian landscape then. 200 to 300,000 people died, because of the winter conditions on the road.
while it is something utterly stupid and brutal to force people to march in winter, one would be hard pressed to call it a genocide considering the fact that in the SAME year, an 30,000 strong ottoman army that comprised of turks, kurds, arabs, armenians, greeks, and a zillion other ethnicities have died out of cold because they were not supplied with winter equipment due to poverty of the empire, in the SAME area.
by the way israel still forces migrations even this day.
Iran has tentacles into South America, and those forces can freely flow right up into the States through the nonexistant southern border we are so afraid to police.
WOW. 'tentacles'. iran. south america.
hahaha ahahahahah ahahahaa ha ahaa haahahahahahaah
that is the problem with american right. they dont know shit, and therefore scared of everything. let me tell you as a person neighboring iran - iran cant even 'tentacle' its neighbors, leave aside fucking south america.
'entitlement' paranoia is the plague that afflicts usa. really. you need to stop carrying this shit over and over to discussions. its an AMERICAN problem.
social democrat countries have been employing such 'entitlement' programs since decades, actually more than half a century, and they came up in front of everyone in EVERYthing. except, building a huge military and invading other countries to make them colonies like u.s. does.
one look at scandinavian countries would fix the paranoia that has been put into your brain by the corporate machine in usa. more innovation per person/capita comes out of scandinavia compared to usa. and you are sitting on a 300 million crowded nation which is itself sitting on endless natural resources, AND on top of that a huge satellite country chain which provides you an immense exploitable wealth.
next time some idiot talks about 'entitlement', i want to kick him in the face. a person's world should not be so narrow in this time and age.
such medieval perspective is why you are not getting replies to your posts from me. when you fast forward 1000 years to at least 20th century, even if not 21st, try again.
revolutions start with individuals. the very first thing you need to realize and do should be to understand why this system is as it is, and what is the main factor for its existence. when you identify and externalize that cause, you can refrain from participating in creating that cause/factor and call on others to do it too. once you remove the cause, the effect will also go away.
at first i though they were just going to use the heat volcano generates. and then thought that would be unreliable in the long run. then i saw they were wanting to create 'microcracks' by pumping cold water into volcano to make it 'economic'. and the assurance is, some location in hawaii being doing that. 'nothing happened so far' is the guarantee. despite the impossibility of modeling and predicting the structural reactions and integrity of a complex structure like a volcano. not to mention its structural and material properties being not totally known. so far nothing happened in hawaii. but a day later than this those microcracks can suddenly develop into huge cracks and we may be watching it on cnn.
sue, and do what, exactly ? gain a $5 bn award in damages ? after a volcano erupts, kills a few thousand, poisons a few more million mildly through what it releases ?
what happened when bp fucked up the entire mexico gulf ecosystem ?
we are so carelessly messing with this planet in so many ways that, it is just a matter of time until something goes really haywire. and, for such stuff, once is enough.
do we know whether volcanoes are connected to any other volcano through any kind of crustal dynamics ? no. have we mapped the entirety of crustal dynamics below ANY volcano up till this date ? no. we cant even drill that deep near a volcano.
we dont know a lot of shit. current situation resembles an early 19th century scientist researching in electricity and chemistry and being haphazard in his experiments. the difference is, when things went wrong, what would happen in that case would happen to the scientist's persona or at most his house. in the case of planet, it will affect us all.
this is not how science is done. or rather, this is not science at all - this is engineering, trying to preempt science. its as if trying to make an electric car without even knowing how to make an electric motor.
I really, really wish you'd stop posting about things you have no idea about. My parents and grandparents lived most of their lives in the USSR, and specifically in the time period that you've mentioned. What you're saying about how it was some perfect la-la-land where everybody was happy is BS.
at no point i have pictured it as a perfect la la land where people were happy. the chances of being happy in a place where you cannot speak your mind would be very low, though a lot would be just content to survive.
neither have i at any point galvanized the living conditions that could be attained in ussr. i have seen the glasnost era documentaries showing how desolate and run down the apartments that people living in were, with inhabitants themselves showing how things were broken and run down.
however you need to see the other side of the picture. the conditions were that bad because bulk of gnp were being spent on militarization. ussr had been maintaining numbers that could overrun half of the world by itself. had half of that amount been spent on amenities, it wouldnt be the same way. neither there would be queues. not to mention the very reason that that much was spent on military, was the hostility of usa and its puppet nations for more than a decade.
in contrast, despite usa was not spending as much on military, and had been exploiting half of the world to supply its wealth, the living conditions in majority of american houses in the last century has not been any different from what you have depicted yourself. what gets pictured in the 'american dream' and average suburban american household always pertains to middle class or lower middle class. which has become a ridiculous 10% of american society as of now.
and the rest ? the rest live in similar conditions you describe to be in ussr, and with no guarantees. there is no guarantee that they will get that stale bread the next day. or, whether they will have anything to eat with it. actually, they have been eating bread and better, thanks to social security, and minimum wage. and a lot, through ever increasing debt. but see, the same segment that made america the hellhole it is now, want to remove that social security and minimum wage too. then what do you think will happen ? will it be any different from ussr ? -> yes. in ussr at least you could get bread and if you havent got your bread you could protest and get shot - in this situation, you will be out on the streets eating from dumpsters and noone will care. or, there will be revolts like the 1992 los angeles revolt - but they already have prepared what to do about those revolters with the recent detention act havent they...
so, if we compare the current situation and system in america to the situation in system in ussr, which would have a bigger chance of being fixed to something that would be fit for 21st century ? in one, poverty is institutionalized, discarded. entire society becomes a pyramid that has a very small upper area. in the other, everyone has a guarantee. the other was spending majority of national output for military. actually, someone was starting to fix it circa 1986, but things went too fast.
as for the massacre you have cited from 1960, university students were being shot in united states within that decade. and there was civil rights movement, with similar examples.
that was how good people were persuaded into wars for profit for the last 2 centuries... oh - and in roman republic too - every war roman republic has waged, was based on various justifications, and most of the justifications were manufactured through setting up events in volatile zones through the government's own means. just like how u.s. has been pumping up radical islamists for 20 years, and when it was needed, they suddenly appeared as the enemy.
you havent handed the stingers to the mujahideen. you have handed over funds to various outfits out of saudi arabia, like al kaeda and its counterparts. which have funded and organized those mujahideen. and all the missiles and equipment passed over through those organizations.
set up a radical islamist organization to fight an infidel for decades.... and what were you expecting when that infidel was beaten ? they would just lay down their arms and lose the reason of existence ? or, find another infidel........
are you aware that, that massacre occurred right at a time when norway was opposing israel in various important international political issues, and also spearheading pushes about the palestinian problem ?
that is not some natural occurrence. that kind of thing regularly happens when a nation's interests go against israel - especially its neighbors. so far the only immune nation is ireland. when ireland and israel get into some sort of conflict, israel suffers.
you didnt support 'people in the same region'. you supported taliban. they were supplied by usa, educated by u.s. personnel or in proxies like israel et al, and paid by usa.
when you straighten up your history knowledge, we can talk this again.
Really - ALL of the alleged accusations are practiced daily by other technology companies which have major shares - like ms, apple. Especially apple is almost fascist compared to what others can do with their handsets, including anyone using their software. microsoft even as of now pushes ie9, hotmail, msn through windows. they are even wanting to 'kill' ie6 - it does not matter whether you want it or not, for good or bad measure.
This 'investigation' comes right at the time when sopa thing heated up, mainly because of google's participation and open anti-sopa advocacy. a major force - imagine if google went 'dark' and educated users for one day about sopa. there would not be anything left in the name of sopa after that day
so this is a preemptive strike. they are basically launching an investigation, to scare/caution google, so they wont be so vocal about this sopa shit. if they comply, its going to die out. if they dont, the investigation will find that they are doing anti competitive practices and penalize them. everything was fine when google was cooperating with the current administration for realizing their 'technological vision'...
corporate bastardry and big media money in action. nothing else.
what you are speaking of, is different - you are saying that people in occupied countries stood by. the grandparent was saying that the world stands by.
whereas, there was a world war going on, because world did not stand by continued invasions.
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being an uncontested royal douchebag of the lowest order is better than being an ignorant moron of the first order :
Turkey, 1915-20: 1,200,000
this probably pertains to the 'armenian massacre' that happened in world war 1. first, it is not something in between 1915 and fucking 1920, but happened in winter of 1915-1916.
second, entire armenian population of the entire ottoman empire was not more than 1.2 million people, leave aside armenians dead on the winter march in eastern anatolia being 1.2 million
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_population
eastern anatolia is not a place that could keep 1.2 million total population in itself, leave aside armenians.
all these ignoring the fact that no armenian anywhere else in the empire was harmed in 1915, and the armenian artisans, bureaucrats, shopkeepers and business owners in istanbul or elsewhere kept about their business as always.
finally, what happened was a forced migration/march in the winter, so that the armenian population would not support russian supplied armenian revolter gangs. purported to be freedom fighters, they were killing anyone who did not supply them with supplies, even if armenians - just like the other 'national' gangs that dotted the anatolian landscape then. 200 to 300,000 people died, because of the winter conditions on the road.
while it is something utterly stupid and brutal to force people to march in winter, one would be hard pressed to call it a genocide considering the fact that in the SAME year, an 30,000 strong ottoman army that comprised of turks, kurds, arabs, armenians, greeks, and a zillion other ethnicities have died out of cold because they were not supplied with winter equipment due to poverty of the empire, in the SAME area.
by the way israel still forces migrations even this day.
so, wherever you got your figures is unreliable.
a lot of exemplified and referenced propositions, yet it is not modded higher than 2.
he is within the 99% within his country. the pyramid does not change shape in wealthy countries. just, it moves up a bit.
so if an african is in the 99%, the american who is in the 1% compared to the african is in 99% compared to its own 1%.
Iran has tentacles into South America, and those forces can freely flow right up into the States through the nonexistant southern border we are so afraid to police.
WOW. 'tentacles'. iran. south america.
hahaha ahahahahah ahahahaa ha ahaa haahahahahahaah
that is the problem with american right. they dont know shit, and therefore scared of everything. let me tell you as a person neighboring iran - iran cant even 'tentacle' its neighbors, leave aside fucking south america.
'entitlement' paranoia is the plague that afflicts usa. really. you need to stop carrying this shit over and over to discussions. its an AMERICAN problem.
social democrat countries have been employing such 'entitlement' programs since decades, actually more than half a century, and they came up in front of everyone in EVERYthing. except, building a huge military and invading other countries to make them colonies like u.s. does.
one look at scandinavian countries would fix the paranoia that has been put into your brain by the corporate machine in usa. more innovation per person/capita comes out of scandinavia compared to usa. and you are sitting on a 300 million crowded nation which is itself sitting on endless natural resources, AND on top of that a huge satellite country chain which provides you an immense exploitable wealth.
next time some idiot talks about 'entitlement', i want to kick him in the face. a person's world should not be so narrow in this time and age.
Their families didn't need that money anyway
such medieval perspective is why you are not getting replies to your posts from me. when you fast forward 1000 years to at least 20th century, even if not 21st, try again.
- 1) There's now incentive to stop really harmful activities
there is ?!?!!?! do you think gulf spill was the first dumbfounding disaster in corporate history ? what makes it any different now ?
- 2) Those private businesses that cause harm pay compensation for their harm
will that bring back 2000 or so dead people ?
- 3) Those businesses go away, if they cause enough harm.
did exxon mobil go away ? did pfizer go away after poisoning hundreds of thousands in india ? have bp gone away ?
revolutions start with individuals. the very first thing you need to realize and do should be to understand why this system is as it is, and what is the main factor for its existence. when you identify and externalize that cause, you can refrain from participating in creating that cause/factor and call on others to do it too. once you remove the cause, the effect will also go away.
at first i though they were just going to use the heat volcano generates. and then thought that would be unreliable in the long run. then i saw they were wanting to create 'microcracks' by pumping cold water into volcano to make it 'economic'. and the assurance is, some location in hawaii being doing that. 'nothing happened so far' is the guarantee. despite the impossibility of modeling and predicting the structural reactions and integrity of a complex structure like a volcano. not to mention its structural and material properties being not totally known. so far nothing happened in hawaii. but a day later than this those microcracks can suddenly develop into huge cracks and we may be watching it on cnn.
sue, and do what, exactly ? gain a $5 bn award in damages ? after a volcano erupts, kills a few thousand, poisons a few more million mildly through what it releases ?
what happened when bp fucked up the entire mexico gulf ecosystem ?
Something totally unforseen is going to happen
we are so carelessly messing with this planet in so many ways that, it is just a matter of time until something goes really haywire. and, for such stuff, once is enough.
do we know whether volcanoes are connected to any other volcano through any kind of crustal dynamics ? no. have we mapped the entirety of crustal dynamics below ANY volcano up till this date ? no. we cant even drill that deep near a volcano.
we dont know a lot of shit. current situation resembles an early 19th century scientist researching in electricity and chemistry and being haphazard in his experiments. the difference is, when things went wrong, what would happen in that case would happen to the scientist's persona or at most his house. in the case of planet, it will affect us all.
this is not how science is done. or rather, this is not science at all - this is engineering, trying to preempt science. its as if trying to make an electric car without even knowing how to make an electric motor.
wow. yes makes a huge difference. some 6 year mistake totally justifies making entire ussr history 'stalin'.
I really, really wish you'd stop posting about things you have no idea about. My parents and grandparents lived most of their lives in the USSR, and specifically in the time period that you've mentioned. What you're saying about how it was some perfect la-la-land where everybody was happy is BS.
at no point i have pictured it as a perfect la la land where people were happy. the chances of being happy in a place where you cannot speak your mind would be very low, though a lot would be just content to survive.
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neither have i at any point galvanized the living conditions that could be attained in ussr. i have seen the glasnost era documentaries showing how desolate and run down the apartments that people living in were, with inhabitants themselves showing how things were broken and run down.
however you need to see the other side of the picture. the conditions were that bad because bulk of gnp were being spent on militarization. ussr had been maintaining numbers that could overrun half of the world by itself. had half of that amount been spent on amenities, it wouldnt be the same way. neither there would be queues. not to mention the very reason that that much was spent on military, was the hostility of usa and its puppet nations for more than a decade.
in contrast, despite usa was not spending as much on military, and had been exploiting half of the world to supply its wealth, the living conditions in majority of american houses in the last century has not been any different from what you have depicted yourself. what gets pictured in the 'american dream' and average suburban american household always pertains to middle class or lower middle class. which has become a ridiculous 10% of american society as of now.
and the rest ? the rest live in similar conditions you describe to be in ussr, and with no guarantees. there is no guarantee that they will get that stale bread the next day. or, whether they will have anything to eat with it. actually, they have been eating bread and better, thanks to social security, and minimum wage. and a lot, through ever increasing debt. but see, the same segment that made america the hellhole it is now, want to remove that social security and minimum wage too. then what do you think will happen ? will it be any different from ussr ? -> yes. in ussr at least you could get bread and if you havent got your bread you could protest and get shot - in this situation, you will be out on the streets eating from dumpsters and noone will care. or, there will be revolts like the 1992 los angeles revolt - but they already have prepared what to do about those revolters with the recent detention act havent they
so, if we compare the current situation and system in america to the situation in system in ussr, which would have a bigger chance of being fixed to something that would be fit for 21st century ? in one, poverty is institutionalized, discarded. entire society becomes a pyramid that has a very small upper area. in the other, everyone has a guarantee. the other was spending majority of national output for military. actually, someone was starting to fix it circa 1986, but things went too fast.
as for the massacre you have cited from 1960, university students were being shot in united states within that decade. and there was civil rights movement, with similar examples.
. Also the actions of our government have since long ago not been a representation of the will of our people.
what are you going to do about that ?
thank you guy.
Fighting evil is a noble cause and must be done.
that was how good people were persuaded into wars for profit for the last 2 centuries ... oh - and in roman republic too - every war roman republic has waged, was based on various justifications, and most of the justifications were manufactured through setting up events in volatile zones through the government's own means. just like how u.s. has been pumping up radical islamists for 20 years, and when it was needed, they suddenly appeared as the enemy.
and you present a very convincing argument. the number of cuss words in your 'argument' has increased its persuasiveness further ! keep that up !
you are wrong.
.... and what were you expecting when that infidel was beaten ? they would just lay down their arms and lose the reason of existence ? or, find another infidel ........
you havent handed the stingers to the mujahideen. you have handed over funds to various outfits out of saudi arabia, like al kaeda and its counterparts. which have funded and organized those mujahideen. and all the missiles and equipment passed over through those organizations.
set up a radical islamist organization to fight an infidel for decades
do i need to redirect you to the 'fuck song' ?
are you aware that, that massacre occurred right at a time when norway was opposing israel in various important international political issues, and also spearheading pushes about the palestinian problem ?
that is not some natural occurrence. that kind of thing regularly happens when a nation's interests go against israel - especially its neighbors. so far the only immune nation is ireland. when ireland and israel get into some sort of conflict, israel suffers.
you didnt support 'people in the same region'. you supported taliban. they were supplied by usa, educated by u.s. personnel or in proxies like israel et al, and paid by usa.
when you straighten up your history knowledge, we can talk this again.
representative means congressmen. senators. these make the laws. and no, advisors dont mean shit - whatever the leashholder pays for, is legislated.
google needed to buy representatives. meaning, congressmen or senators. none of these would happen. or sopa.
Really - ALL of the alleged accusations are practiced daily by other technology companies which have major shares - like ms, apple. Especially apple is almost fascist compared to what others can do with their handsets, including anyone using their software. microsoft even as of now pushes ie9, hotmail, msn through windows. they are even wanting to 'kill' ie6 - it does not matter whether you want it or not, for good or bad measure.
...
This 'investigation' comes right at the time when sopa thing heated up, mainly because of google's participation and open anti-sopa advocacy. a major force - imagine if google went 'dark' and educated users for one day about sopa. there would not be anything left in the name of sopa after that day
so this is a preemptive strike. they are basically launching an investigation, to scare/caution google, so they wont be so vocal about this sopa shit. if they comply, its going to die out. if they dont, the investigation will find that they are doing anti competitive practices and penalize them. everything was fine when google was cooperating with the current administration for realizing their 'technological vision'
corporate bastardry and big media money in action. nothing else.
what you are speaking of, is different - you are saying that people in occupied countries stood by. the grandparent was saying that the world stands by.
whereas, there was a world war going on, because world did not stand by continued invasions.
you are talking about people who reflect their psychological disorders to concepts like nation, government etc. these are mentally ill.