He refused to disclose the password to his supervisors, whom he KNEW that were stupid enough to the level of being able to disclose them in public court, as evidence.
he is a sysadmin that refused to disclose passwords to an office which had the prudence to disclose ALL of those LIVE passwords and usernames as evidence in a public court... exposing personal information of millions of citizens in public databases...
i doubt that randomly selected array of 20-30 americans would be able to understand how insanely stupid this is.
the pyramid is too low in height. 7% of population in usa controls 72% of financial wealth for example. i very much doubt that any one of us here will enter that percentage. its already full.
thats of course, leaving aside the ethics of accepting to live in such a bastardly society, after securing one's butt.
read rest of a discussion before you jump at butt end. your objection has been brought up by other people, who were saying that this was the law. turned out that that kind of laws were found in anglosaxon countries or dominions or unions - britain, ex british colonies including united states, and scotland. which copy each others' laws. with one exception being germany. rest of the 200 countries on the world do not share such common outlook on that matter.
The US and UK patrolled the Slave Coast together.
From 1807 to 1820 it was Royal Navy, from 1820 to 1861 it was a joint patrol.
and ? anglosaxon countries which copy each others' laws..
As for the theft, the issue here wasn't in finding the iPhone, it was that someone found the object, then turned around and sold it, which made it trafficking stolen goods.
As for the majority of countries not classifying this as theft, Germany does, the Commonwealth countries do, the United States does, in Japan its a miscellaneous offense, in New Zealand it's covered under the Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Act.
again, the only exception to anglosaxon or anglosaxon dominion there is germany. all the rest are ex british colonies.
No, the Internet doesn't have a high information circulation speed, if anything it makes things much more insular.
If I hop over to Fark and mention Unity100 no one will care to even look you up, if I go to 4chan and curse at people in/b/ no one will link it to here. If I go to WoW forums or Democratic underground and mention this thread, no one will care about any of the personas here
and why the fuck they should ? this is about information, not individual PEOPLE. im nobody to most of the internet users, yet, what i type here, will be read by many people who dont even care about the subject at hand, but then, at some point in some random discussion forum in a relevant topic, s/he will remember what s/he read here, and make a comment saying that some people were saying this and that.
this is how it goes.
My clueless mother has been on the internet for 15 years and she's able to last while remaining clueless and the internet takes zero technical aptitude to access.
your mother will still see and propagate information that she sees in her knitting mailing list, or 'area moms' discussion forum.
no i am not doing that. you are the one going to either this or that extreme in all your discussions with me.
internet is a subset of human society. there is every kind of person there. however, internet also requires some measure of tech aptitude. even if the person is a 'clueless' 55 year old internet mom from idaho, she still wont be able to last on internet if she is not a more informed, more apt 55 year old mom than her peers.
in addition, internet has very high information circulation speed. bad behavior as well as good behavior of any given entity will spread around very speedily. and even the clueless moms, despite not understanding the full nature of this bad behavior, will still be seeing, remembering and mentioning a 'bad behavior' to their peers.
that is as you said, law of the sea. ironically, rules and laws of the sea in international waters have been pioneered and shaped mainly by britain due to their dominance starting in late 17th century. even, at one point, britain took enforcing slave trading ban upon itself by its own accord and patrolled the african and american seaboards, catching slave trading ships in latter half of the 19th century. therefore, this is not a good example.
and still, majority of (now 203) countries still do not have such laws classifying finding something as stealing.
1. What does Saudi marriage law have to do with California's stance on property? Nothing at all, you might have well said "cats and dogs have a common ancestor so California's laws are poopy."
something being law somewhere does not make it right, and a worldwide practice. so, 'keeping what you find is stealing' is NOT correct according to world standards. california senate seems to have thought it should be that way way back.
2. California's law on stolen property has held up in court for what, 140 years?
and saudi marriage law is STILL holding up, despite international pressure from countless sources, including u.n. in addition to numerous countries, rights groups and international bodies.
this doesnt make it right.
3. How does California's law on stolen property go against the majority of the world?
Looking around on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receipt_of_stolen_property - it seems every US state has laws concerning this, so it's not just California's "bullshit law", so does Scotland and England. Besides, just because you leave something that doesn't eliminate your ownership of it or your claim to it.
remember that there are 256+ countries on the face of the world. and notice how the countries holding it up are of anglosaxon origin, which tend to copy each other's laws, exception being scotland, which copies england's law despite not being anglosaxon.
yes they are also included in the internet subsets. just like how everyone that is on the face of planet is included in the population. we have rapists, bastards, corrupt officials, pedophiles in world population out of internet too.
you are taking extreme fringes and building up entire population over it. its not right.
apple's position is similar. california may have a bullshit law that goes contrary to majority of the world, and apple may be making use of it.
Bullshit law that goes contrary to the rest of the world? What's the law in the rest of the world? Finders keepers losers weepers?
no. DEFINITION of what stealing is.
that does not justify it in the eyes of rest of the world, ie, the internet community.
The internet community is not the rest of the world, merely a smaller, less well informed, much more vocal, microcosm of the world.
you got that backwards. internet community is the most informed, up to date, active segment of the world. you got vocal right, but you also failed in the percentage of its own cosmos. it isnt micro by any measure. as of recent our total is approx 1,8 billion. even if you boil it down to i.t. cosmos in this internet users subset, it still makes a HUGE population which is bigger than many g5 countries.
marrying a 8 year old is legal in saudi arabia too. that does not make it right in the eyes of rest of the world. neither one would look upon someone making use of that law there.
apple's position is similar. california may have a bullshit law that goes contrary to majority of the world, and apple may be making use of it.
that does not justify it in the eyes of rest of the world, ie, the internet community.
didnt it just come out that private ranking organizations collaborated with wall street to show otherwise worthless and risky investments as A grade and helped them peddle these and SCAM the entire world. entire effin world ?
and now, a private company puts out a report saying 'regulating this is bad', which is funded by a subsidiary of a big corporation JUST like the bastards in wall street.
i cant even begin to tell how shitty and stupid this is. private corporations vouching for private corporations, and people trusting them. yea.
it is ok for journalists backed with large companies that can defend themselves to enjoy freedom from prosecution, whereas the citizens get prosecuted if they do the same.
so, the one with the money makes the rules is it ?
an idiot engineer leaves out a corporation's prototype IN A FUCKING BAR, and when citizen press puts it out as news, it is ok to prosecute them ?
i cant even being to tell how wrong justifying above shit is, in so many levels.
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He refused to disclose the password to his supervisors, whom he KNEW that were stupid enough to the level of being able to disclose them in public court, as evidence.
he did right.
he is a sysadmin that refused to disclose passwords to an office which had the prudence to disclose ALL of those LIVE passwords and usernames as evidence in a public court ... exposing personal information of millions of citizens in public databases ...
i doubt that randomly selected array of 20-30 americans would be able to understand how insanely stupid this is.
the pyramid is too low in height. 7% of population in usa controls 72% of financial wealth for example. i very much doubt that any one of us here will enter that percentage. its already full.
thats of course, leaving aside the ethics of accepting to live in such a bastardly society, after securing one's butt.
then please do so. for, the point i have made, is one that i dont want to restate again and again for every person that jumps in at butt end.
what i said concerns the view of world society, and its subset internet society.
the point is also in the discussion you have opted not to read. it is a california matter, if you push it far, it is an anglosaxon heritage matter.
this is not a crime in the eyes of the world.
in which you will buy everything, but own nothing ...
read rest of a discussion before you jump at butt end. your objection has been brought up by other people, who were saying that this was the law. turned out that that kind of laws were found in anglosaxon countries or dominions or unions - britain, ex british colonies including united states, and scotland. which copy each others' laws. with one exception being germany. rest of the 200 countries on the world do not share such common outlook on that matter.
world is not made of anglosaxon heritage.
The US and UK patrolled the Slave Coast together. From 1807 to 1820 it was Royal Navy, from 1820 to 1861 it was a joint patrol.
and ? anglosaxon countries which copy each others' laws ..
As for the theft, the issue here wasn't in finding the iPhone, it was that someone found the object, then turned around and sold it, which made it trafficking stolen goods. As for the majority of countries not classifying this as theft, Germany does, the Commonwealth countries do, the United States does, in Japan its a miscellaneous offense, in New Zealand it's covered under the Secondhand Dealers and Pawnbrokers Act.
again, the only exception to anglosaxon or anglosaxon dominion there is germany. all the rest are ex british colonies.
No, the Internet doesn't have a high information circulation speed, if anything it makes things much more insular. If I hop over to Fark and mention Unity100 no one will care to even look you up, if I go to 4chan and curse at people in /b/ no one will link it to here. If I go to WoW forums or Democratic underground and mention this thread, no one will care about any of the personas here
and why the fuck they should ? this is about information, not individual PEOPLE. im nobody to most of the internet users, yet, what i type here, will be read by many people who dont even care about the subject at hand, but then, at some point in some random discussion forum in a relevant topic, s/he will remember what s/he read here, and make a comment saying that some people were saying this and that.
this is how it goes.
My clueless mother has been on the internet for 15 years and she's able to last while remaining clueless and the internet takes zero technical aptitude to access.
your mother will still see and propagate information that she sees in her knitting mailing list, or 'area moms' discussion forum.
no i am not doing that. you are the one going to either this or that extreme in all your discussions with me.
internet is a subset of human society. there is every kind of person there. however, internet also requires some measure of tech aptitude. even if the person is a 'clueless' 55 year old internet mom from idaho, she still wont be able to last on internet if she is not a more informed, more apt 55 year old mom than her peers.
in addition, internet has very high information circulation speed. bad behavior as well as good behavior of any given entity will spread around very speedily. and even the clueless moms, despite not understanding the full nature of this bad behavior, will still be seeing, remembering and mentioning a 'bad behavior' to their peers.
that is as you said, law of the sea. ironically, rules and laws of the sea in international waters have been pioneered and shaped mainly by britain due to their dominance starting in late 17th century. even, at one point, britain took enforcing slave trading ban upon itself by its own accord and patrolled the african and american seaboards, catching slave trading ships in latter half of the 19th century. therefore, this is not a good example.
and still, majority of (now 203) countries still do not have such laws classifying finding something as stealing.
thats about quite right. people dont need to upgrade anymore.
1. What does Saudi marriage law have to do with California's stance on property? Nothing at all, you might have well said "cats and dogs have a common ancestor so California's laws are poopy."
something being law somewhere does not make it right, and a worldwide practice. so, 'keeping what you find is stealing' is NOT correct according to world standards. california senate seems to have thought it should be that way way back.
2. California's law on stolen property has held up in court for what, 140 years?
and saudi marriage law is STILL holding up, despite international pressure from countless sources, including u.n. in addition to numerous countries, rights groups and international bodies.
this doesnt make it right.
3. How does California's law on stolen property go against the majority of the world?
Looking around on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receipt_of_stolen_property - it seems every US state has laws concerning this, so it's not just California's "bullshit law", so does Scotland and England. Besides, just because you leave something that doesn't eliminate your ownership of it or your claim to it.
remember that there are 256+ countries on the face of the world. and notice how the countries holding it up are of anglosaxon origin, which tend to copy each other's laws, exception being scotland, which copies england's law despite not being anglosaxon.
yes they are also included in the internet subsets. just like how everyone that is on the face of planet is included in the population. we have rapists, bastards, corrupt officials, pedophiles in world population out of internet too.
you are taking extreme fringes and building up entire population over it. its not right.
apple's position is similar. california may have a bullshit law that goes contrary to majority of the world, and apple may be making use of it.
Bullshit law that goes contrary to the rest of the world? What's the law in the rest of the world? Finders keepers losers weepers?
no. DEFINITION of what stealing is.
that does not justify it in the eyes of rest of the world, ie, the internet community.
The internet community is not the rest of the world, merely a smaller, less well informed, much more vocal, microcosm of the world.
you got that backwards. internet community is the most informed, up to date, active segment of the world. you got vocal right, but you also failed in the percentage of its own cosmos. it isnt micro by any measure. as of recent our total is approx 1,8 billion. even if you boil it down to i.t. cosmos in this internet users subset, it still makes a HUGE population which is bigger than many g5 countries.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
actually there was someone modding this down as flamebait. get a load of that.
here, a recent one :
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
marrying a 8 year old is legal in saudi arabia too. that does not make it right in the eyes of rest of the world. neither one would look upon someone making use of that law there.
apple's position is similar. california may have a bullshit law that goes contrary to majority of the world, and apple may be making use of it.
that does not justify it in the eyes of rest of the world, ie, the internet community.
if you picked it in a bar and didnt report it, it is NOT theft. correct that misconception of yours.
i dont know why. it came out of nowhere ...
it was impossible to repress all the wrongdoings of him in regard to pedophile priest cases, and the issue of pedophilia in catholic church.
so the genius comes up attacking internet transparency.
didnt it just come out that private ranking organizations collaborated with wall street to show otherwise worthless and risky investments as A grade and helped them peddle these and SCAM the entire world. entire effin world ?
and now, a private company puts out a report saying 'regulating this is bad', which is funded by a subsidiary of a big corporation JUST like the bastards in wall street.
i cant even begin to tell how shitty and stupid this is. private corporations vouching for private corporations, and people trusting them. yea.
just another perfect example of how shitty apple can be.
they did the same thing to someone else, yet, they are going after someone else because they had got served the same thing.
deplorable.
control freaks are control freaks, and it doesnt matter whether the control freak is a person, or a corporation.
apple has become an oppressive thorn in information society's side.
the idiot LEFT IT ON THE BAR. it was FOUND. when they purchased it, probably they didnt even know which idiot left it in the bar.
it is ok for journalists backed with large companies that can defend themselves to enjoy freedom from prosecution, whereas the citizens get prosecuted if they do the same.
so, the one with the money makes the rules is it ?
an idiot engineer leaves out a corporation's prototype IN A FUCKING BAR, and when citizen press puts it out as news, it is ok to prosecute them ?
i cant even being to tell how wrong justifying above shit is, in so many levels.