Re:Injunctions against "intermediaries"
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The "EU as a whole" did not reject ACTA, the European Parliament did. The council of ministers and the commission are the ones propagating ACTA, and the ones involved in the negotiations. Unfortunately, the European Parliament has a tendency to fold when it come down to it, and the council of ministers usually wins. The council of ministers is composed of national government ministers. The national governments are however rarely held responsible for any of the decisions of the council of ministers, hell most people probably have no idea what the council of ministers is. That needs to change.
dear swedish penguin,
as of last year, european parliament has the power to ratify any treaty that is made by european commission, including ALl the ministers and bureaucrats and whatnot. furthermore, no treaty, decision can come into being without being ratified by european parliament. AND european parliament can also cancel treaties made prior to acquiring that power. (that was the power they used to cancel SWIFT agreement in which bush&co coerced europe into disclosing bank transfer details europeans did with americans to us government).
with the latest resolution, Eu parliament already blocked numerous stuff from the acta treaty. isp liability, 3strikes, internet connection severance without court decision etc etc. because of that, the countries whose ministers would accept acta would have to face a dilemma ; either secede from european union, or refuse the treaty.
but that doesnt mean we are in the clear yet. we need to push hard.
at that point (ie up to 1941) united states didnt have any solid combined arms to stand up to what germans had invented.
aircraft were subpar (not totally inferior, but subpar) tactics were obsolete, bombers were inferior, (b17s didnt come into being until 1941 proper), no tanks, outdated infantry tactics, no close support. you can count many things.
usa had taken a lot of lessons from what befell on france, britain and russia up till the time she joined the war. and even in 1941, allies were still not on par with germans.
monopoly grants used in europe prior to 18th century are NOT patents.
monopoly grants were basically like feudal grants, but effective in business. anything could be monopolized to anyone. it neednt be technical or any innovation at all
this has no relation to industrialization age and scientific age post 18th century. back in those days, except in late 18th century england, ideas and inventions flowed freely. brits were the bastards who sinisterly created a patent system to allow brits to call dibs on innumerable preexisting inventions and ideas.
it was basically what u.s. is trying to do with acta now.
well, then its better to do away with trademarks and patents. for, doing otherwise, awarding ownership of words and phrases to private companies and individuals would be BEYOND stupid.
fyi, any serious scholar of military history would be able to say that what befell on france would befall any contemporary nation that happened to be placed geographically same with france. germans gambled on untested military technology, and won their gambit. such gambles cost many nations their freedoms before when tried. however this time it worked.
northern france, poland, western soviet union had geography that was most accommodating to this new kind of war, blitzkrieg, with their open wide fields that allowed big mobility. because it was a fast tactic, until allies were able to develop a counter tactic, germans were done away with northern france, and even later soviets in 1941.
due to geography, blitzkrieg didnt work well in south france, yugoslavia, balkans.
let me break you another fact - by 1940, united states didnt even have a proper medium battle tank, hell they didnt even have light tanks. had germany been a neighbor of usa, all americans would be talking german now. i know this will come as distasteful to a lot of you nationalist americans out there, but its a brutal historic fact.
and on a sidenote, im not french. im just a hobbyist of history.
of course it would work. it is the official page to submit a petition. its in equal status as if you went there, and presented a petition on paper. its official, governmental, bureaucratic as it can be.
if you are living in an Eu member country, Eu member candidate country, or a resident of an Eu member country, or working for a company that has its quarters in an Eu member country, you have the right to petition European Parliament.
This is not your ordinary online petition page - this is an official petition page, petitions of which are each processed by real bureaucrats and acted upon, if you give your credentials correctly. (Name surname and so on). Its serious shit.
As of this moment, the affiliates of american media cartels are flooding Eu parliament members with the falsified and baseless statistics they have been using to fool the senators in united states. Eu parliament members are generally much more informed than u.s. senators, however it is much better not to leave anything to chance.
So, if you fulfill any of the above conditions, you should fill a petition urging European Parliament to side with the people rather than the corporate interests, and you should inform them about the falsified statistics that media cartels are using. If you have any links to the various realistic statistics that were made by independent organizations, you can also forward the information to them. (like the p2p research done in netherlands a while ago).
Eu parliament already basically blocked some draconian items in the acta treaty. they did it with great majority. so they DO listen and heed people. If Eu parliament shoots acta down totally, then there is no way in hell that it can come into being, because since china and russia would never accept and enforce it, (and noone can force them to do so), if you add europe to that it basically makes approx 4/7th of world population.
the problem stems from people using trademarks that have become synonymous with some field of expertise. ie like, 'Mysql Development' mysql wouldnt go try to suppress people because they used mysql in phrases, but, you get the idea. what you are doing is irrelevant to company's business (even furthers it), doesnt cost them anything and whatnot. but some companies, like apple etc, try to suppress people, and lay claim to mere words. even if you are a grocery store selling apples.
it is clear as day that we all, american and european alike, need to gather behind Eu in order to bring sense into this intellectual property insensibility.
yea. because they werent able to do it in the area he held the patent, they had to lean on another method. regardless of whether that method is best for mankind or not.
yea you twat. for that they have to pay him whatever he wants. or not use it. he still can reserve the right to refuse them the license nomatter how much they pay.
basically that is his monopoly now. the mankind can make use of it only as much as he allows, and that is, if he allows.
get some brain cells first, and develop basic logic.
had the opportunity to experience on a computer. im not even saying 'game', mind that, im saying 'the best shit'.
it was SO good that in a good 1-2 weeks of the 1 month duration i played it for the first time, i really lost the track of space/time continuum. when i got off the game at times to drink, or eat, and saw my family members, it felt like i was not there and i was in a dream instead.
it was SO good.
fortunate for you people who didnt catch up with it in 1992, that they made it open source http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
note - while playing do NOT turn on voice acting at any point. it will kill your experience. the aliens, cultures pack much more punch when you do dialogues in text.
maaaaan. i wish i could really forget the game and play it all over again.
actually, studies show that hollywood and music cartel sales increased in parallel with increasing piracy. compared to their increases in cassette, vinyl periods.
yes. lets see, because you own the patent on induction based HID lighting, people couldnt use that technology, and instead had to innovate in leds in order to beat you. and you happily say you are already entrenched in that market.
your 'founding fathers' ( i cant understand why you people separate them as if they were not just participants in age of enlightenment as revolutionaries) founded and supported the patent system because otherwise british would screw it up for everyone because they already had a patent system. its basically the equivalent of acta. in 100 years brits would come demanding rights on anything in america with their patents. so, they had to set it up to compete.
'patent systems spur innovation' is the biggest bullshit that is perpetrated around. there was a patent system long in existence in dutch republic circa 1590 AD. and trade and enterprise was SO free that it was even possible to trade with the enemy city while your own army was laying siege to it, and sail into the city port under the noses of your own army's guns, citing 'free trade is a legal right', and get away with it easily.
yet, it didnt spur anything. industrial revolution didnt start in 1590, it started 150 years after. why the hell didnt industrial revolution start in dutch republic, if patents were so encouraging, despite they had that much trade and entrepreneurial freedom there ?
BECAUSE PATENTS DONT SPUR ANYTHING. markets do. there wasnt enough markets to sell mass produced goods back in 1590. industrial revolution was to start only after sufficient markets in colonies and conquered places like india came into being for europe.
The reason that "most of the copyrights are in the hands of large companies" is that people SELL the rights to their creations. What's wrong with that? Or are you of the opinion that people don't deserve to be able to do that?
im of the opinion that it is beyond stupid to allow people to lay claim to logical constructs and designs. for if you do, you will eventually end up with companies like monsanto coming suing farmers into oblivion and taking their lands off them because the monsanto seeds which another farmer bought cross pollinated with the neighboring crops, and therefore created 'an infringement of intellectual property'.
and it happened. in YOUR country. but it appears, like you dont know about history of science (and therefore patents and patent systems), you dont know zit about what's happening in your country either. yet you are still able to come here talk arrogantly, and accusingly.
acquire a broader horizon and enough knowledge first.
gp may or may not have posted in sarcasm. i cant tell.
my position is, copyrights, patents are unamerican. even further than that, they are also in contradiction of the ideals laid in the age of enlightenment 50 years before the american revolution.
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The "EU as a whole" did not reject ACTA, the European Parliament did. The council of ministers and the commission are the ones propagating ACTA, and the ones involved in the negotiations. Unfortunately, the European Parliament has a tendency to fold when it come down to it, and the council of ministers usually wins. The council of ministers is composed of national government ministers. The national governments are however rarely held responsible for any of the decisions of the council of ministers, hell most people probably have no idea what the council of ministers is. That needs to change.
dear swedish penguin,
as of last year, european parliament has the power to ratify any treaty that is made by european commission, including ALl the ministers and bureaucrats and whatnot. furthermore, no treaty, decision can come into being without being ratified by european parliament. AND european parliament can also cancel treaties made prior to acquiring that power. (that was the power they used to cancel SWIFT agreement in which bush&co coerced europe into disclosing bank transfer details europeans did with americans to us government).
with the latest resolution, Eu parliament already blocked numerous stuff from the acta treaty. isp liability, 3strikes, internet connection severance without court decision etc etc. because of that, the countries whose ministers would accept acta would have to face a dilemma ; either secede from european union, or refuse the treaty.
but that doesnt mean we are in the clear yet. we need to push hard.
at that point (ie up to 1941) united states didnt have any solid combined arms to stand up to what germans had invented.
aircraft were subpar (not totally inferior, but subpar) tactics were obsolete, bombers were inferior, (b17s didnt come into being until 1941 proper), no tanks, outdated infantry tactics, no close support. you can count many things.
usa had taken a lot of lessons from what befell on france, britain and russia up till the time she joined the war. and even in 1941, allies were still not on par with germans.
rainbow wooorllllddds .....
monopoly grants used in europe prior to 18th century are NOT patents.
monopoly grants were basically like feudal grants, but effective in business. anything could be monopolized to anyone. it neednt be technical or any innovation at all
this has no relation to industrialization age and scientific age post 18th century. back in those days, except in late 18th century england, ideas and inventions flowed freely. brits were the bastards who sinisterly created a patent system to allow brits to call dibs on innumerable preexisting inventions and ideas.
it was basically what u.s. is trying to do with acta now.
well, then its better to do away with trademarks and patents. for, doing otherwise, awarding ownership of words and phrases to private companies and individuals would be BEYOND stupid.
how they occupied entire europe back in 1792 ?
fyi, any serious scholar of military history would be able to say that what befell on france would befall any contemporary nation that happened to be placed geographically same with france. germans gambled on untested military technology, and won their gambit. such gambles cost many nations their freedoms before when tried. however this time it worked.
northern france, poland, western soviet union had geography that was most accommodating to this new kind of war, blitzkrieg, with their open wide fields that allowed big mobility. because it was a fast tactic, until allies were able to develop a counter tactic, germans were done away with northern france, and even later soviets in 1941.
due to geography, blitzkrieg didnt work well in south france, yugoslavia, balkans.
let me break you another fact - by 1940, united states didnt even have a proper medium battle tank, hell they didnt even have light tanks. had germany been a neighbor of usa, all americans would be talking german now. i know this will come as distasteful to a lot of you nationalist americans out there, but its a brutal historic fact.
and on a sidenote, im not french. im just a hobbyist of history.
of course it would work. it is the official page to submit a petition. its in equal status as if you went there, and presented a petition on paper. its official, governmental, bureaucratic as it can be.
https://www.secure.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/petition/secured/submit.do?language=EN
if you are living in an Eu member country, Eu member candidate country, or a resident of an Eu member country, or working for a company that has its quarters in an Eu member country, you have the right to petition European Parliament.
This is not your ordinary online petition page - this is an official petition page, petitions of which are each processed by real bureaucrats and acted upon, if you give your credentials correctly. (Name surname and so on). Its serious shit.
As of this moment, the affiliates of american media cartels are flooding Eu parliament members with the falsified and baseless statistics they have been using to fool the senators in united states. Eu parliament members are generally much more informed than u.s. senators, however it is much better not to leave anything to chance.
So, if you fulfill any of the above conditions, you should fill a petition urging European Parliament to side with the people rather than the corporate interests, and you should inform them about the falsified statistics that media cartels are using. If you have any links to the various realistic statistics that were made by independent organizations, you can also forward the information to them. (like the p2p research done in netherlands a while ago).
Eu parliament already basically blocked some draconian items in the acta treaty. they did it with great majority. so they DO listen and heed people. If Eu parliament shoots acta down totally, then there is no way in hell that it can come into being, because since china and russia would never accept and enforce it, (and noone can force them to do so), if you add europe to that it basically makes approx 4/7th of world population.
Go for it. time is now.
yea, but some companies suppress that.
Viva la france !
the problem stems from people using trademarks that have become synonymous with some field of expertise. ie like, 'Mysql Development' mysql wouldnt go try to suppress people because they used mysql in phrases, but, you get the idea. what you are doing is irrelevant to company's business (even furthers it), doesnt cost them anything and whatnot. but some companies, like apple etc, try to suppress people, and lay claim to mere words. even if you are a grocery store selling apples.
it is clear as day that we all, american and european alike, need to gather behind Eu in order to bring sense into this intellectual property insensibility.
before all of them there was Dune 2. it is the rts that started it all, despite there has been proto rts before that.
yea. because they werent able to do it in the area he held the patent, they had to lean on another method. regardless of whether that method is best for mankind or not.
yea you twat. for that they have to pay him whatever he wants. or not use it. he still can reserve the right to refuse them the license nomatter how much they pay.
basically that is his monopoly now. the mankind can make use of it only as much as he allows, and that is, if he allows.
get some brain cells first, and develop basic logic.
man i played it 2 times more just to find more about precursors.
and the music it had. blazing.
had the opportunity to experience on a computer. im not even saying 'game', mind that, im saying 'the best shit'.
it was SO good that in a good 1-2 weeks of the 1 month duration i played it for the first time, i really lost the track of space/time continuum. when i got off the game at times to drink, or eat, and saw my family members, it felt like i was not there and i was in a dream instead.
it was SO good.
fortunate for you people who didnt catch up with it in 1992, that they made it open source http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
note - while playing do NOT turn on voice acting at any point. it will kill your experience. the aliens, cultures pack much more punch when you do dialogues in text.
maaaaan. i wish i could really forget the game and play it all over again.
isnt it 'brahmins' ?
there are too many who have been brainwashed with american corporatism and deceived to believe that they too can 'make it big'.
the difference is, private centralization can control government centralization, and there is little citizens can do against private centralization.
actually, studies show that hollywood and music cartel sales increased in parallel with increasing piracy. compared to their increases in cassette, vinyl periods.
yes. lets see, because you own the patent on induction based HID lighting, people couldnt use that technology, and instead had to innovate in leds in order to beat you. and you happily say you are already entrenched in that market.
thank you for proving all of my points.
'need' encompasses innumerable things, including, but not limited to 'youtube videos'.
your 'founding fathers' ( i cant understand why you people separate them as if they were not just participants in age of enlightenment as revolutionaries) founded and supported the patent system because otherwise british would screw it up for everyone because they already had a patent system. its basically the equivalent of acta. in 100 years brits would come demanding rights on anything in america with their patents. so, they had to set it up to compete.
'patent systems spur innovation' is the biggest bullshit that is perpetrated around. there was a patent system long in existence in dutch republic circa 1590 AD. and trade and enterprise was SO free that it was even possible to trade with the enemy city while your own army was laying siege to it, and sail into the city port under the noses of your own army's guns, citing 'free trade is a legal right', and get away with it easily.
yet, it didnt spur anything. industrial revolution didnt start in 1590, it started 150 years after. why the hell didnt industrial revolution start in dutch republic, if patents were so encouraging, despite they had that much trade and entrepreneurial freedom there ?
BECAUSE PATENTS DONT SPUR ANYTHING. markets do. there wasnt enough markets to sell mass produced goods back in 1590. industrial revolution was to start only after sufficient markets in colonies and conquered places like india came into being for europe.
The reason that "most of the copyrights are in the hands of large companies" is that people SELL the rights to their creations. What's wrong with that? Or are you of the opinion that people don't deserve to be able to do that?
im of the opinion that it is beyond stupid to allow people to lay claim to logical constructs and designs. for if you do, you will eventually end up with companies like monsanto coming suing farmers into oblivion and taking their lands off them because the monsanto seeds which another farmer bought cross pollinated with the neighboring crops, and therefore created 'an infringement of intellectual property'.
and it happened. in YOUR country. but it appears, like you dont know about history of science (and therefore patents and patent systems), you dont know zit about what's happening in your country either. yet you are still able to come here talk arrogantly, and accusingly.
acquire a broader horizon and enough knowledge first.
gp may or may not have posted in sarcasm. i cant tell.
my position is, copyrights, patents are unamerican. even further than that, they are also in contradiction of the ideals laid in the age of enlightenment 50 years before the american revolution.