we here in turkey are surprised that noone can use any seeds but monsanto's, an american company's today. even the seeds farmers had been keeping for generations have been banned, through bought out laws. and how it takes filthy underhanded measures to kill competition through any means possible, to the extent of going the way of modifying its own seeds to kill out any plant from the same species not genetically modified by monsanto.
in a sidenote, some states in usa also have banned monsanto seeds, because they found out what monsanto was doing.
all because you americans have adopted a stupid, beyond logic approach to 'unregulated' business, and ended up not only being a bitch of your own corporations yourselves, but also making them a major problem plaguing the entire world.
well excuse me, but, you people in u.s. have no right to complain over ANYthing. in the end, this was the political ideology you adopted (hands off businesses so they can screw everyone, everything), and those were the people you voted for.
however what is appalling is that, despite all the exploitations they suffer at the hands of their corporations, copyright, patent trolling, ACTA, healthcare shit and alike, there are STILL people getting worked up when the obvious is stated, like the parent i posted.
and that is despite they themselves complain everytime about it.
its globalization. america has to come to terms with the age of globalization, especially after forcing many countries to come to terms with it itself.
its not a problem when u.s. companies buy and fire workers in overseas countries, exploit their resources to depletion, even interfere in their laws and customs through lobbymaking, turning them upside down in every way, leave aside employment.
but its a problem when americans lose jobs to whatever reason.
so basically, its 'america can trade with anyone, but noone can trade with america'. screw that.
as said, it is a union in which the most dominant member economically, militarily, and politically is great britain. it doesnt matter how much autonomy is allowed for other union members. if matters take a certain route in regard to internet in britain, and gets settled there, it wont take too long before the perpetrators and private interests in britain to try to force same things in the other members, either over the union, or through those members' own parliaments.
they wont let scotland, n ireland become homegrown cayman islands, or canada in regard to internet and its enemies copyright, ip laws and so on, while england is taking a totally different course.
before you drown yourself in details and miss the point again - remember how u.s. is trying to push acta to numerous countries in the world, even tho the act itself circumvents democratical procedures and unconstitutional in many countries, and even in European Union.
i dont give flying fsck whether some band thinks that all the songs in their album are unparaleled pieces of art and worthy of praise. even if the band is pink floyd or any other established legend. i dont want to shell out cash for 10-14 songs, while i find only 2 worth paying for.
well, warrant, or court order requirement eliminates a lot of trolls. it is fat chance that they will go through the effort of trying to acquire a warrant from a court for months in order to blackmail a small website/publisher/etc.
Okay so they no significant power to legislate. And the government is all appointed. And they are owned by European corporations and not US ones.
totally irrelevant. because it had been a pet parliament up till last year, lobbyists have always ignored it. hence, it is stuffed with idealist people from their parties, which their parties would rather send them away than cause trouble with their idealism on home ground. (of course, this is for parties which are not already pro-people). hence, currently it is a mass gathering of the sharpest idealists around europe. and this is not the first pro-people stance they have pursued in an occasion.
eu law requires warrant from as far as i know. at least, it works in turkey like that, you have to have court order. until the prime minister's office set up a censor board to censor whatever they dont like without having to resort to court though. however ordinary citizens still have to have a court order to take down anything.
since its like that here, eu ruleset cant be different from it, since turkey has to make every law compatible with eu directives under candidacy effort and relevant signatures giving relevant assurances.
but dmca, despite being the way you describe, works totally to other end. when met with a valid looking dmca complaint, most providers in us take down the site in question immediately, without even waiting response from the defending party, or at least the stories we had here happened in that direction.
so, they cant come up and say 'we shouldnt have awarded such a blatantly absurd and obvious patent for such a basic action' outright, but are resorting to legalese to save face to invalidate the patent without admitting absurdity of whole u.s. patent system.
i dont know its details, but i know it frees isps from liability. however i dont remember having anything like DMCA. DMCA is still way too draconian for europe.
nomatter who are we from in actuality, there is one single parliament standing against the evil being spewed through acta in lieu of democracy.
americans and europeans, japanese and indians alike, we should all gather behind support for the European Parliament. u.s. senate may be letting its citizens down. british parliament may be sold long ago. japanese parliament may not care. currently Eu parliament is the only assembly that is speaking for the rights and freedoms of the people. until this crisis is over, we are all europeans, and should fight alongside them.
we have to push forward. EFF and other organizations need to give a big push wherever they can, and also support Euparl's decision.
It is high chance that lobbyists will swarm Brussels and try to deceive the parliamentarians with innumerable excuses, ranging from terorrism to 'intellectual property rights'. Euparl members have always been steadfast in their 'for the people' stance and are much well informed than any other parliamentarian in the world, however, its always best to take no chances.
EFF, Geist, whomever can, should push forward with a strong publicity effort.
well. current setup seems to be that they are the parliament with a non-elected government. eu commissioners are non elected government, they come up with legislation, and they have to pass them through the parliament. its basically a normal representative system, but, the government is not elected, despite the parliament is.
this is Eu parliament, not u.s. senate. when Euparl states a stance on some stuff, they are not compromised nomatter what. 3strikes, isp liability for piracy and so on, the stuff they have expressed stance against, cant be in any document that is put in front of them now, regardless of reason.
magna carta is rather irrelevant to modern rights. its an assurance of nobles' rights against king. it wasnt the first of its kind. there has been similar, if not as large agreements before.
going and patenting stuff like 'single click' and leaving that aside, patenting BASIC logical thought processes that has been the very fundamentals of logic equations since last 5000 years and then trying to force your 'ownership' over these onto entire world is medieval feudalism at it best. it has nothing to do with creativity, it has nothing to do with productivity, it has NOTHING to do with rights. its basically laying claim to intelligence. the ONLY place on the face of the world where patents and copyrights granted for BASE thought processes, is united states. united states is the problem here, not the pirates. no amount of piracy can outshadow the villainy of trying to lay claim to logic itself.
there are other stuff. Eu rules took effect last year exonerates ISPs from liability over pirated content in their network as long as they take measures to remove them when informed. the shit us corporations are trying to push in acta wanted to force isps into corporations' polices, policing their network for those people's content. also there are important declarations regarding freedoms there, not limited to 3 strikes.
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we here in turkey are surprised that noone can use any seeds but monsanto's, an american company's today. even the seeds farmers had been keeping for generations have been banned, through bought out laws. and how it takes filthy underhanded measures to kill competition through any means possible, to the extent of going the way of modifying its own seeds to kill out any plant from the same species not genetically modified by monsanto.
http://www.impactlab.com/2009/12/14/a-global-horror-story-how-monsanto-owns-and-manipulates-the-worlds-food-supply/
http://www.google.com/search?q=monsanto+horror&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
in a sidenote, some states in usa also have banned monsanto seeds, because they found out what monsanto was doing.
all because you americans have adopted a stupid, beyond logic approach to 'unregulated' business, and ended up not only being a bitch of your own corporations yourselves, but also making them a major problem plaguing the entire world.
well excuse me, but, you people in u.s. have no right to complain over ANYthing. in the end, this was the political ideology you adopted (hands off businesses so they can screw everyone, everything), and those were the people you voted for.
in your terms 'you get what you pay for'. enjoy.
great britain = england in the second sentence.
especially while u.s. employs an elaborate and all encompassing system of quotas for each country in many sectors.
however what is appalling is that, despite all the exploitations they suffer at the hands of their corporations, copyright, patent trolling, ACTA, healthcare shit and alike, there are STILL people getting worked up when the obvious is stated, like the parent i posted.
and that is despite they themselves complain everytime about it.
its globalization. america has to come to terms with the age of globalization, especially after forcing many countries to come to terms with it itself.
however america is ass monkey corporations. since america's government has been controlled by corporate backed administrations since last 60 years
its not a problem when u.s. companies buy and fire workers in overseas countries, exploit their resources to depletion, even interfere in their laws and customs through lobbymaking, turning them upside down in every way, leave aside employment.
but its a problem when americans lose jobs to whatever reason.
so basically, its 'america can trade with anyone, but noone can trade with america'. screw that.
irrelevant.
as said, it is a union in which the most dominant member economically, militarily, and politically is great britain. it doesnt matter how much autonomy is allowed for other union members. if matters take a certain route in regard to internet in britain, and gets settled there, it wont take too long before the perpetrators and private interests in britain to try to force same things in the other members, either over the union, or through those members' own parliaments.
they wont let scotland, n ireland become homegrown cayman islands, or canada in regard to internet and its enemies copyright, ip laws and so on, while england is taking a totally different course.
before you drown yourself in details and miss the point again - remember how u.s. is trying to push acta to numerous countries in the world, even tho the act itself circumvents democratical procedures and unconstitutional in many countries, and even in European Union.
it was a shocking experience even listening to its preview there
i dont give flying fsck whether some band thinks that all the songs in their album are unparaleled pieces of art and worthy of praise. even if the band is pink floyd or any other established legend. i dont want to shell out cash for 10-14 songs, while i find only 2 worth paying for.
shove it pink floyd. shove it up your wall.
well, warrant, or court order requirement eliminates a lot of trolls. it is fat chance that they will go through the effort of trying to acquire a warrant from a court for months in order to blackmail a small website/publisher/etc.
the main issue here is, england is the dominating economic and political entity there.
Okay so they no significant power to legislate. And the government is all appointed.
And they are owned by European corporations and not US ones.
totally irrelevant. because it had been a pet parliament up till last year, lobbyists have always ignored it. hence, it is stuffed with idealist people from their parties, which their parties would rather send them away than cause trouble with their idealism on home ground. (of course, this is for parties which are not already pro-people). hence, currently it is a mass gathering of the sharpest idealists around europe. and this is not the first pro-people stance they have pursued in an occasion.
eu law requires warrant from as far as i know. at least, it works in turkey like that, you have to have court order. until the prime minister's office set up a censor board to censor whatever they dont like without having to resort to court though. however ordinary citizens still have to have a court order to take down anything.
since its like that here, eu ruleset cant be different from it, since turkey has to make every law compatible with eu directives under candidacy effort and relevant signatures giving relevant assurances.
but dmca, despite being the way you describe, works totally to other end. when met with a valid looking dmca complaint, most providers in us take down the site in question immediately, without even waiting response from the defending party, or at least the stories we had here happened in that direction.
so, they cant come up and say 'we shouldnt have awarded such a blatantly absurd and obvious patent for such a basic action' outright, but are resorting to legalese to save face to invalidate the patent without admitting absurdity of whole u.s. patent system.
i dont know its details, but i know it frees isps from liability. however i dont remember having anything like DMCA. DMCA is still way too draconian for europe.
until then we will have fixed this acta shit, legislated and guaranteed freedoms on the internet.
nomatter who are we from in actuality, there is one single parliament standing against the evil being spewed through acta in lieu of democracy.
americans and europeans, japanese and indians alike, we should all gather behind support for the European Parliament. u.s. senate may be letting its citizens down. british parliament may be sold long ago. japanese parliament may not care. currently Eu parliament is the only assembly that is speaking for the rights and freedoms of the people. until this crisis is over, we are all europeans, and should fight alongside them.
we have to push forward. EFF and other organizations need to give a big push wherever they can, and also support Euparl's decision.
It is high chance that lobbyists will swarm Brussels and try to deceive the parliamentarians with innumerable excuses, ranging from terorrism to 'intellectual property rights'. Euparl members have always been steadfast in their 'for the people' stance and are much well informed than any other parliamentarian in the world, however, its always best to take no chances.
EFF, Geist, whomever can, should push forward with a strong publicity effort.
Eu parliament has been voting in line with people for a long time now. this is just another case.
well. current setup seems to be that they are the parliament with a non-elected government. eu commissioners are non elected government, they come up with legislation, and they have to pass them through the parliament. its basically a normal representative system, but, the government is not elected, despite the parliament is.
this is Eu parliament, not u.s. senate. when Euparl states a stance on some stuff, they are not compromised nomatter what. 3strikes, isp liability for piracy and so on, the stuff they have expressed stance against, cant be in any document that is put in front of them now, regardless of reason.
magna carta is rather irrelevant to modern rights. its an assurance of nobles' rights against king. it wasnt the first of its kind. there has been similar, if not as large agreements before.
going and patenting stuff like 'single click' and leaving that aside, patenting BASIC logical thought processes that has been the very fundamentals of logic equations since last 5000 years and then trying to force your 'ownership' over these onto entire world is medieval feudalism at it best. it has nothing to do with creativity, it has nothing to do with productivity, it has NOTHING to do with rights. its basically laying claim to intelligence. the ONLY place on the face of the world where patents and copyrights granted for BASE thought processes, is united states. united states is the problem here, not the pirates. no amount of piracy can outshadow the villainy of trying to lay claim to logic itself.
there are other stuff. Eu rules took effect last year exonerates ISPs from liability over pirated content in their network as long as they take measures to remove them when informed. the shit us corporations are trying to push in acta wanted to force isps into corporations' polices, policing their network for those people's content. also there are important declarations regarding freedoms there, not limited to 3 strikes.