there are already heaploads of waivers, loopholes NSA has under its belt. they should secretly maintain their own civilian botnet ffs. thats what china is doing.
they just repress or outright kill those people in such groups. not even countries. state doesnt need to do a thing either. the extent of brainwashing ensures that some youngster will do the murder for the sake of religion.
You sound so very bitter u.s. people tend to use this a lot, and i really dont see that it fits any situation, leave aside this one.
and your only argument seems to be "you'll break hosting providers". you missed the core of what i posted then. you should read again.
Any hosting provider that can't handle this change does not deserve to remain in business. Honestly, this is a very small change that should not be difficult to incorporate into an existing hosting service. its not about providers, pal. its about users. if you go up to php 5, 6 and clients have their estores broken, only to learn that they have to spend considerable bucks on having their stores upgraded, recoded, or anything during the course of the same 1.5-2 years, AND therefore decide that they should change their software and jump to some other language, it will be php language, not the web hosts that are going to hurt.
im a php developer. i make my living from this. if, such elitism like 'good riddance', snubbing of end users like this, even for a good cause, causes demand on the market to fall because store owners, script users move to other languages, most of us who make our livings on this platform will have to jump ship also, even if we dont like to do.
For real? If the code is even half decent, the bulk of the changes should require a handful of global find/replaces. You really think the people who don't fall into that category, who couldn't be arsed to write good PHP, are going to spend the orders of magnitude more time learning another language and finding a host that will accommodate their poor practices, than troubleshooting existing code? And so what if they do? Good riddance, and I think the folks behind PHP would agree. After all, the language has such a negative reputation not for becoming a modern language with features real developers expect it to have, but from having major issues related to past encouragement of bad habits (such as the magic_quotes and register_globals nonsense). If PHP is going to continue to grow into a viable, scalable, respectable language that can be trusted for serious web applications, I don't think we need to worry about coddling the folks who can't be bothered to write decent code in the first place. thats the attitude im campaigning against. this is pure elitism, even if it is for the good.
masses of small businesses do not give a damn about 'good php', 'poor practices', heck, even the nifty words we use to hype software like 'scalability' or anything. they dont care about any opinions like 'the nonsense that are magic_quotes and register_globals' either. these doesnt mean anything for a 55 year old estore owner from Pennsylvania.
we cant write down such people. regardless of what kind of software they use, regardless of how their softwares' creators were using 'bad' practices, (at any given point in time during the lifetime of a popular script), these people are mainly the ones who are fueling the money making side of the language. if they were to jump ship, great deal of incentive for people to go into php, or stay in php (for the ones who are already in the language) would be lost, because less demand, more competition signals an exit from a market.
its about users. its not about aggrandizing some stubborn people resistant to change in a small company that we are working as i.t. manager in. you can go to your boss and have him make the accounting guys accept the changes, but you cant force end software users of a language to anything. if they get annoyed, they jump ship, if they alternatives. and php has alternatives, that we all know, for the good or for worse.
this is what its all about. we cant go elitist and say 'good riddance' here. EVEN if, it may seem right to do so, for purity and from a programmers' viewpoint.
this is not about blames. this is not about 'idiocy' either. this is about reality.
world is not a programmers' haven. there are a lot of people apart from us programmers. regardless of what we may see as 'idiotic', people may need to use them at a given point in time, and they may use them, and they may have to stick with them. you cant go jacobin on issues like this.
php's success compared to other languages like asp, which tried to compete with it and came out about the same time into prominence is due to php becoming more than a small nifty toolset for doing knickknacks on hobby sites and forums. php started to be used for business, and this created a demand for php programmers, and this in turn fueled more entry into language. same did not happen for asp. go check elance. youll see zillions of php projects that are put up, and equally many php developers. search for asp and.net stuff. see how many.
the scripts which have a lot of old versions still being used out in the web today were a major cause for this. hell, even many simple forums that were started as hobbies turned into big community forums that do a lot of advertising and generate business, leave aside estores.
from what i see first hand, i doubt that would work. for, in a brainwashed society the people you speak of, the ones who can be waken up will be in the minority. it doesnt take too much effort for the radicals to eradicate them. they dont refrain from killing, you know.
also you should note that, the same customers would make much more stampede when they are asked to pay for development work for their running estores, because php team had decided to deprecate some features, for the second time in 1.5 years.
the catch is that, quite a many of the prominent scripts that are popular had been using some of those insecure features since some time ago, and there are a lot of people still using those old versions.
i am servicing around 350+ clients in a small fish web host. even at that small web host, there are a phletora of different scripts, programs that clients are using to conduct their everyday business, their estores, their livelihood. some of them are dependent and locked-in to the software they are using like a small business company that extensively uses ms products is locked into microsoft.
regardless, backwards compatibility is important for those people. for starters, these are the people who have chosen php as the platform to conduct their business on, making php a de facto dominant language for the web instead of being a small time web language that was used on web savvy, webmasters. the financial impact of this is going to be huge for them, to adopt to that many changes php dev group started to introduce in the span of 1 to 2 years. this is too much.
you gotta slow down. or you are going to alienate the small business community from using php with what you are doing. if you break a small estore owner's store script every 1.5 years for 'upgrading', the second time you do it they will jump the language ship.
do not start to become an elitist group out of touch with the people, increasingly caring for nifty programming issues rather than what would the users think.
this is one of the things that are brainwashed into kids here since early 1950s through state sponsored education history books, in schools. at those times the islamism was in a milder form, manifesting in the DP (demokrat party) at that time. those people rewrite history books here.
ottomans had a tendency to record everything. every single kind of thing. because empire clergy and government didnt have anything to be afraid from anyone. to the extent that they didnt see any issues with recording how many young male boys a particular sultan had in his harem. (icoglani). it was a normal thing for them.
same historical accuracy goes for the atrocities they did. they very well recorded how Kuyucu mustafa pasa had got his nickname "Kuyucu". (meaning Well user). this minister had been instrumental in suppressing the Celali revolt in central anatolia, by killing people in atrocious manner. ottoman records show 30.000 people were killed by being thrown into water wells. this is why he got this nickname. and he is only one of the ottoman ministers in that fashion too. same did for what they did when they conquered any new land. the SOLE reason for conquering new lands was because of the booty. it was why the ottoman army went revolting if some sultan didnt go on an attack somewhere every 5 years. it was the foundation of ottoman state - its called Ghazi culture. you go attack in the name of the religion, you occupy, plunder. the rule is that if a city is taken by force, 3 days of free booting is offered, in which the army can take anything it wants. most of the time this manifested in taking slaves. in 1453, when mehmed ii decided to continue the patriarchate after occupying constantinople, they couldnt find the successor that was supposed to be appointed in place of the old patriarch. you know why ? because during occupation a sipahi squad leader (a low level beg) had appropriated that man during the plunder, as a slave among his many. sultan had to send his men to take the new patriarch from the slavery he was under in provincial rumeli (SE balkans) so that the new patriarch could be appointed. these information had taken AGES for me to gather and learn. everything in regard to historical facts here is edited by state ministries, and nothing allowing real history is allowed, if they do not fit well with the 'tolerant and great ottoman empire' myth. and they do not open ottoman archives even to turkish people - mind that. it is supposedly our heritage, but we cant go in and read anything from there, save a 10% they opened. you can guess that this 10% was the only amount that was not in conflict with the myth they are trying to create here.
no ottoman tolerance is bollocks. only jews were tolerated to that extent, and there is a very solid reason for that - when mehmed ii conquered istanbul at 1453, he wanted to rebuild the city. but being founded on a Ghazi culture, ie - conquer and plunder and get tribute kind of state - ottoman empire had lacked the craftsman to do anything in istanbul. therefore he sent orders to gather up all the craftsman that could be found anywhere near empire, most of them minorities. and when spain persecuted jews around 1490s, ottoman empire accepted them, because they needed craftsmen. thats the reason of the 'tolerance'. same 'tolerance' was not conferred upon the NORMAL citizens of the empire, as you can see from how did they treat people in central anatolia. ah, i also forgot to add the 40.000 people Sultan Selim had slaughtered in just one week in northern iraq around 1510, but thats another and long matter.
the same myth creating goes around in the internet too. turkish zealots (most of our compatriots are unfortunately zealots, they have an over exaggerated sense of egoist nationalism) edit wikipedia articles and such to change negative publicity about ottoman period. unfortunately, historical accuracy doesnt matter a shit. any historical fact that they cant refuse are dismissed by labeling them 'western propaganda, they wrote the history themselves'.
. In Western nations, it isn't nearly as easy, because the secular, Jewish, and nominally Christian voters will naturally block any such attempt. So they go for the submarine approach: they go for "alternative education", i.e. targeting children. yes this is exactly what is happening.
I suspect this is what the defendant in the Canadian court was saying all along, and some powerful Muslims pulled enough strings to get him "indicted". yes, this is the usual method.
my compatriots are people who can vote for a party, because the party has handed out $8 cash per person, saying 'take this, vote for us', before the election. (genc party - all of that party's votes went to akp in the last election, around 8%). a LOT of votes of akp come from where, do you know ? from RICE handouts. yes. just as genc party handed out $8 in cash to people and asked them to vote for them, akp has distributed 1-2 kg rice per person in handouts and asked people to vote them. now get this - the rice they distributed was funded from municipial funds - the very funds people pay taxes for. the very funds that belong to the people. they have used those funds without any worries for their own party propaganda. and nothing happened. noone got prosecuted. but more appalling is, people voted them just because they have been handed 2 kg of rice while they were passing by. no need to see their party statement, their proposed policy, their stance, nothing. just that. this doesnt happen even in usa.
You should have gone through the entire post, before making sweeping statements like you did. the AK party you mention, the islamist party have got their votes from 23 % traditional islamist (very hardliner) voter base, 10% from reactionary votes and carryover votes (from genc party) and 10 % or so new generation brainwashed kids.
that makes for around 42% of the vote in total. that is nowhere near majority.
additionally a lot of shady goings on happened in general elections the municipial districts they held for a long time - huge number of caucuses were discovered dumped in trash, huge number of printed fake ballots were found (that were not printed by election institution). yet somehow, all of these issues have went under the carpet during the investigations that ensued, when the AK party have regained power.
because they have been drastically improving the economy and human rights,
drastically improving the economy ? as in pardoning HUGE tax debts their finance minister's PERSONAL company has, by passing through FOUR laws through the assembly, and then installing new taxes to the public ? like taking unbounded amounts of debts from international sources to the extent that they are now trying to piecemeal sell EVERYthing that they can get ahold of ? did those idiots also tell you that the government is now trying to sell the lands that are under national part protection due to being the remaining little amount of forests of turkey, in western parts, to the construction industry so that those trees are going to be hewed down to erect apartment blocks that are not needed ? did they also tell you that they are trying to change constitution to pull that sh@t ? did those idiots tell you that in turkey the credit debt turkish people have is whopping in proportion to capita to the credit crisis that is taking place in america ? credit card debts are SO bad here that, bureaucratic regulatory boards had to put out special rules in order to remedy the debt load on people because of credit cards so the suicides would stop. yea, 1-1.5 years ago every month and a half a major suicide news of a citizen due to credit card debt was making the national press here. now they are not making any such news. you know why ? because ENTIRE turkish media has been piecemeal dismantled and sold to the supporters of the AK party. thats why the idiots (actually fools, naive personas) who are chanting that happy song to you there do not know about what really goes on in the country. the press is ENTIRELY owned by big corporations that are from the islamist core now. last piece of the press that was not affiliated with them, sabah group, last remaining national big group, was appropriated under phoney charges by bureaucratic regulatory boards they staffed, and sold to Calik group, which is an islamist company since the last 20 years. you know where did they find the money to buy it ? AKp has loaned them HUGE amount of cash at almost NO interest from the STATE bank that is used to pay government employee's wages and loan to government branches so that the country can go around. (ziraat bankasi). this scandal hit the press, DESPITE the stranglehold they have on the press, but guess what happened - nothing. every regulatory board, ministry, financial police even, are staffed by islamists now. calik group now owns the last block of turkish media that has the power to do impact on national level. others were appropriated and sold much earlier.
the corruption, im not going to even go into details of it, it takes PAGES long. just a municipial district of akp in s turkey had produced FIFTY corruption scandals that hit the national press. (actually that was a bit earlier before than the time sabah group was sold to calik, so we were able to learn it on the national level. now what goes on, god knows.) suffice it to say that one example is kanal 7, an islamist channel that funds akp, also runs a 'charity' named 'deniz feneri' that collects donations in turkey and in europe. the branch of 'de
Just because people state intentions, doesn't mean they can actually accomplish their goals. The more you suppress these people, the stronger they will get, until it explodes in an orgasm of violence. i explained in length that this kind of islamist movement is more than capable of accomplishing their goals. their ultimate goal is lays around at 10 years distance, now in turkey. it has worked here, they know how it works, they know how to do it, and doing the same thing in europe. this kind of movement is not some sporadic extremism, its well planned and propelled by sources in middle east to some political end.
Just look what happened in Algeria. An Islamist government got elected, and the secular apparatus went to war with them. Finally the war ended, and the Islamists were voted in...and voted out again a few years later. actually we watched those developments with interest here. however algeria is a backwater. it is already a muslim state as it can be. the sources who are funding such movements from middle east are not interested in already sufficiently islamicized countries. there is no profit in operating there. europe is a rich jewel. america is a richer jewel, but tougher. yet still...
This is the very reason that democracy sucks arse. It is the tyrany of the majority or mob rule and when a certain group seeks to become the majority, then you can see that they are making a power-grab as they have done in turkey. democracy needs guarding, just like any other value that is precious for mankind. you cant just fire and forget. the error of europe's ways is that, they believe everything will work out well if they just 'let it be'. it doesnt. just as an individual needs to breathe in order to stay alive, modern values also need to be guarded from regression.
My wife is Japanese and Islamics tried that sort of thing there (if you would believe it!) but failed thanks to govt intervention. i really dont know no sh@t about that, although i try to keep up with world events.
id be very happy if you would describe it in detail here.
Moderate Christians realize that there are fundamentalist Christians who think that the only way to be Christian is to be a fundamentalist Christian. Moderate Muslims recognize that there are fundamentalist Muslims who think the only way to be Muslim is be a fundamentalist Muslim. now, i disagree.
due to bible being a book that is compiled by later people from the stories of the times of jesus (which to use as 4 major versions was decided in council of nicea in anatolia, in 300 AD or so), if someone finds anything in bible not fitting with modern values, s/he can refuse them, and say that 'they were written in there by the hand of man'. a valid excuse too, and no theologist can object with strong conviction - the very fact that a long standing and lively theology concept exist in christianity is due to the fact that bible, the teachings are very debatable.
in islam you dont have this. koran, is supposedly unchanged. therefore, its direct word of god. period. you cant say anything agains this in islam, and cant debate or refuse anything in koran. its a package. you refuse one thing in it, you refused everything.
due to this fact, fundamentalism is much more common, and much more hardline in muslim countries, than the christian fundamentalism you have in usa, or europe. really, when looking from here, and coming up against any of them, your fundamentalists appear like mild conservatives compared to the islamists we have here.
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if we just replace the word 'shared', and make it "Screwed Source", that would be more meaningful.
there are already heaploads of waivers, loopholes NSA has under its belt. they should secretly maintain their own civilian botnet ffs. thats what china is doing.
they just repress or outright kill those people in such groups. not even countries. state doesnt need to do a thing either. the extent of brainwashing ensures that some youngster will do the murder for the sake of religion.
im a php developer. i make my living from this. if, such elitism like 'good riddance', snubbing of end users like this, even for a good cause, causes demand on the market to fall because store owners, script users move to other languages, most of us who make our livings on this platform will have to jump ship also, even if we dont like to do.
masses of small businesses do not give a damn about 'good php', 'poor practices', heck, even the nifty words we use to hype software like 'scalability' or anything. they dont care about any opinions like 'the nonsense that are magic_quotes and register_globals' either. these doesnt mean anything for a 55 year old estore owner from Pennsylvania.
we cant write down such people. regardless of what kind of software they use, regardless of how their softwares' creators were using 'bad' practices, (at any given point in time during the lifetime of a popular script), these people are mainly the ones who are fueling the money making side of the language. if they were to jump ship, great deal of incentive for people to go into php, or stay in php (for the ones who are already in the language) would be lost, because less demand, more competition signals an exit from a market.
its about users. its not about aggrandizing some stubborn people resistant to change in a small company that we are working as i.t. manager in. you can go to your boss and have him make the accounting guys accept the changes, but you cant force end software users of a language to anything. if they get annoyed, they jump ship, if they alternatives. and php has alternatives, that we all know, for the good or for worse.
this is what its all about. we cant go elitist and say 'good riddance' here. EVEN if, it may seem right to do so, for purity and from a programmers' viewpoint.
add it to that the fact that clients do not know, or give a damn about oop, and we get the complete picture.
this is not about blames. this is not about 'idiocy' either. this is about reality.
world is not a programmers' haven. there are a lot of people apart from us programmers. regardless of what we may see as 'idiotic', people may need to use them at a given point in time, and they may use them, and they may have to stick with them. you cant go jacobin on issues like this.
php's success compared to other languages like asp, which tried to compete with it and came out about the same time into prominence is due to php becoming more than a small nifty toolset for doing knickknacks on hobby sites and forums. php started to be used for business, and this created a demand for php programmers, and this in turn fueled more entry into language. same did not happen for asp. go check elance. youll see zillions of php projects that are put up, and equally many php developers. search for asp and .net stuff. see how many.
the scripts which have a lot of old versions still being used out in the web today were a major cause for this. hell, even many simple forums that were started as hobbies turned into big community forums that do a lot of advertising and generate business, leave aside estores.
its not wise to go trigger happy.
from what i see first hand, i doubt that would work. for, in a brainwashed society the people you speak of, the ones who can be waken up will be in the minority. it doesnt take too much effort for the radicals to eradicate them. they dont refrain from killing, you know.
your ears are weak.
also you should note that, the same customers would make much more stampede when they are asked to pay for development work for their running estores, because php team had decided to deprecate some features, for the second time in 1.5 years.
the catch is that, quite a many of the prominent scripts that are popular had been using some of those insecure features since some time ago, and there are a lot of people still using those old versions.
read my post again.
i am servicing around 350+ clients in a small fish web host. even at that small web host, there are a phletora of different scripts, programs that clients are using to conduct their everyday business, their estores, their livelihood. some of them are dependent and locked-in to the software they are using like a small business company that extensively uses ms products is locked into microsoft.
regardless, backwards compatibility is important for those people. for starters, these are the people who have chosen php as the platform to conduct their business on, making php a de facto dominant language for the web instead of being a small time web language that was used on web savvy, webmasters. the financial impact of this is going to be huge for them, to adopt to that many changes php dev group started to introduce in the span of 1 to 2 years. this is too much.
you gotta slow down. or you are going to alienate the small business community from using php with what you are doing. if you break a small estore owner's store script every 1.5 years for 'upgrading', the second time you do it they will jump the language ship.
do not start to become an elitist group out of touch with the people, increasingly caring for nifty programming issues rather than what would the users think.
top notch words of courage. thank you.
this is one of the things that are brainwashed into kids here since early 1950s through state sponsored education history books, in schools. at those times the islamism was in a milder form, manifesting in the DP (demokrat party) at that time. those people rewrite history books here.
ottomans had a tendency to record everything. every single kind of thing. because empire clergy and government didnt have anything to be afraid from anyone. to the extent that they didnt see any issues with recording how many young male boys a particular sultan had in his harem. (icoglani). it was a normal thing for them.
same historical accuracy goes for the atrocities they did. they very well recorded how Kuyucu mustafa pasa had got his nickname "Kuyucu". (meaning Well user). this minister had been instrumental in suppressing the Celali revolt in central anatolia, by killing people in atrocious manner. ottoman records show 30.000 people were killed by being thrown into water wells. this is why he got this nickname. and he is only one of the ottoman ministers in that fashion too. same did for what they did when they conquered any new land. the SOLE reason for conquering new lands was because of the booty. it was why the ottoman army went revolting if some sultan didnt go on an attack somewhere every 5 years. it was the foundation of ottoman state - its called Ghazi culture. you go attack in the name of the religion, you occupy, plunder. the rule is that if a city is taken by force, 3 days of free booting is offered, in which the army can take anything it wants. most of the time this manifested in taking slaves. in 1453, when mehmed ii decided to continue the patriarchate after occupying constantinople, they couldnt find the successor that was supposed to be appointed in place of the old patriarch. you know why ? because during occupation a sipahi squad leader (a low level beg) had appropriated that man during the plunder, as a slave among his many. sultan had to send his men to take the new patriarch from the slavery he was under in provincial rumeli (SE balkans) so that the new patriarch could be appointed. these information had taken AGES for me to gather and learn. everything in regard to historical facts here is edited by state ministries, and nothing allowing real history is allowed, if they do not fit well with the 'tolerant and great ottoman empire' myth. and they do not open ottoman archives even to turkish people - mind that. it is supposedly our heritage, but we cant go in and read anything from there, save a 10% they opened. you can guess that this 10% was the only amount that was not in conflict with the myth they are trying to create here.
no ottoman tolerance is bollocks. only jews were tolerated to that extent, and there is a very solid reason for that - when mehmed ii conquered istanbul at 1453, he wanted to rebuild the city. but being founded on a Ghazi culture, ie - conquer and plunder and get tribute kind of state - ottoman empire had lacked the craftsman to do anything in istanbul. therefore he sent orders to gather up all the craftsman that could be found anywhere near empire, most of them minorities. and when spain persecuted jews around 1490s, ottoman empire accepted them, because they needed craftsmen. thats the reason of the 'tolerance'. same 'tolerance' was not conferred upon the NORMAL citizens of the empire, as you can see from how did they treat people in central anatolia. ah, i also forgot to add the 40.000 people Sultan Selim had slaughtered in just one week in northern iraq around 1510, but thats another and long matter.
the same myth creating goes around in the internet too. turkish zealots (most of our compatriots are unfortunately zealots, they have an over exaggerated sense of egoist nationalism) edit wikipedia articles and such to change negative publicity about ottoman period. unfortunately, historical accuracy doesnt matter a shit. any historical fact that they cant refuse are dismissed by labeling them 'western propaganda, they wrote the history themselves'.
incident was 4 months ago. or 6.
doesnt give any info on how they tried the multiplication and brainwashing thing there.
i really would like to learn what stunt islamists tried to pull in japan, if you have the time to tell about it please.
my compatriots are people who can vote for a party, because the party has handed out $8 cash per person, saying 'take this, vote for us', before the election. (genc party - all of that party's votes went to akp in the last election, around 8%). a LOT of votes of akp come from where, do you know ? from RICE handouts. yes. just as genc party handed out $8 in cash to people and asked them to vote for them, akp has distributed 1-2 kg rice per person in handouts and asked people to vote them. now get this - the rice they distributed was funded from municipial funds - the very funds people pay taxes for. the very funds that belong to the people. they have used those funds without any worries for their own party propaganda. and nothing happened. noone got prosecuted. but more appalling is, people voted them just because they have been handed 2 kg of rice while they were passing by. no need to see their party statement, their proposed policy, their stance, nothing. just that. this doesnt happen even in usa.
that makes for around 42% of the vote in total. that is nowhere near majority.
additionally a lot of shady goings on happened in general elections the municipial districts they held for a long time - huge number of caucuses were discovered dumped in trash, huge number of printed fake ballots were found (that were not printed by election institution). yet somehow, all of these issues have went under the carpet during the investigations that ensued, when the AK party have regained power.
because they have been drastically improving the economy and human rights,
drastically improving the economy ? as in pardoning HUGE tax debts their finance minister's PERSONAL company has, by passing through FOUR laws through the assembly, and then installing new taxes to the public ? like taking unbounded amounts of debts from international sources to the extent that they are now trying to piecemeal sell EVERYthing that they can get ahold of ? did those idiots also tell you that the government is now trying to sell the lands that are under national part protection due to being the remaining little amount of forests of turkey, in western parts, to the construction industry so that those trees are going to be hewed down to erect apartment blocks that are not needed ? did they also tell you that they are trying to change constitution to pull that sh@t ? did those idiots tell you that in turkey the credit debt turkish people have is whopping in proportion to capita to the credit crisis that is taking place in america ? credit card debts are SO bad here that, bureaucratic regulatory boards had to put out special rules in order to remedy the debt load on people because of credit cards so the suicides would stop. yea, 1-1.5 years ago every month and a half a major suicide news of a citizen due to credit card debt was making the national press here. now they are not making any such news. you know why ? because ENTIRE turkish media has been piecemeal dismantled and sold to the supporters of the AK party. thats why the idiots (actually fools, naive personas) who are chanting that happy song to you there do not know about what really goes on in the country. the press is ENTIRELY owned by big corporations that are from the islamist core now. last piece of the press that was not affiliated with them, sabah group, last remaining national big group, was appropriated under phoney charges by bureaucratic regulatory boards they staffed, and sold to Calik group, which is an islamist company since the last 20 years. you know where did they find the money to buy it ? AKp has loaned them HUGE amount of cash at almost NO interest from the STATE bank that is used to pay government employee's wages and loan to government branches so that the country can go around. (ziraat bankasi). this scandal hit the press, DESPITE the stranglehold they have on the press, but guess what happened - nothing. every regulatory board, ministry, financial police even, are staffed by islamists now. calik group now owns the last block of turkish media that has the power to do impact on national level. others were appropriated and sold much earlier.
the corruption, im not going to even go into details of it, it takes PAGES long. just a municipial district of akp in s turkey had produced FIFTY corruption scandals that hit the national press. (actually that was a bit earlier before than the time sabah group was sold to calik, so we were able to learn it on the national level. now what goes on, god knows.) suffice it to say that one example is kanal 7, an islamist channel that funds akp, also runs a 'charity' named 'deniz feneri' that collects donations in turkey and in europe. the branch of 'de
id be very happy if you would describe it in detail here.
can it detect the borg ?
due to bible being a book that is compiled by later people from the stories of the times of jesus (which to use as 4 major versions was decided in council of nicea in anatolia, in 300 AD or so), if someone finds anything in bible not fitting with modern values, s/he can refuse them, and say that 'they were written in there by the hand of man'. a valid excuse too, and no theologist can object with strong conviction - the very fact that a long standing and lively theology concept exist in christianity is due to the fact that bible, the teachings are very debatable.
in islam you dont have this. koran, is supposedly unchanged. therefore, its direct word of god. period. you cant say anything agains this in islam, and cant debate or refuse anything in koran. its a package. you refuse one thing in it, you refused everything.
due to this fact, fundamentalism is much more common, and much more hardline in muslim countries, than the christian fundamentalism you have in usa, or europe. really, when looking from here, and coming up against any of them, your fundamentalists appear like mild conservatives compared to the islamists we have here.