The Koran has greater consistency than the Bible, but there is still sufficient inconsistency to allow cherry picking quotes to support whatever perspective you want. The impression I came away with was that the theme of retribution was primarily divine in nature, that is, if you don't do as you're told, God will git ya. It even addresses the problem of people not obeying, yet prospering. Don't worry about it, they'll get their punishment after they die. I certainly didn't get the impression that world conquest was being advocated. i tried to approach as such too. however the 'context' defense against such orders of violence in koran is as futile as any other.
unfortunately there are nothing changing the meaning of maidah 9/29, in the verses way above or way below it. its very openly ordered.
Also non-Muslims should be aware that while the Koran is primary, the Hadith [wikipedia.org] writings are also extremely important to Muslims, and any understanding of Islam is incomplete if all you have read is the Koran. To complicate matters further, different sects have different Hadiths. yes, however anything in koran overrules ANYthing ANYone can say. this also is stated in multiple occasions with mohammad's hadith. this is the dilemma.
It is interesting to hear your perspective coming from a Muslim country, but I think that you overestimate their chances of converting the European Union and all of western civilization into their version of something resembling medieval 6th century Islam. we had a similar situation here. especially in late 80s and early 90s. at that time, the traditional islamist voter base was historical 23%. through the multiplication thing and brainwashing that accompanies it, now the islamist party gets 42% of the vote. take aside 20% from this, which is the rough traditional islamist vote, and 10% reactionary votes and carryover votes (from a particular other party that had those votes but lost them), youll see a 10% increase in islamist votes. in a country that has 60 million population, this matters much. this 10% is the product of multiplication and brainwashing. and it is a continuing progress. you can justify yourself, on how big the reflection of this change in real life. now, here, you cant even propose any idea that says 'jews also have rights'. you get sour looks.
Their young people, and particularly those who have grown up in Europe, Britain, and the United States, have the same basic desires and after exposure to western culture and ideas with all of the sports, sex, drugs, fast food, movies, and other influences they will become just as corrupted and apathetic as young people everywhere. the 80s was like that here too. after 90s, a regression has started, due to brainwashing. multiplication process doesnt go by itself, they put brainwashing to accompany it. and it works well.
They can be as religious as they want to be, but how many of them will fall to the temptations and decedent pleasures of western culture when they are away from their group? For example, look at all of the young people in Saudi Arabia and other "conservative" Arab countries who go off to Damascus to let their hair down, ditch the Niqab, and "have a good time". yes im aware of that, they come here too. but, the thing is, iran and saudi arabia are on the extreme verge. its natural for a reaction to appear in such countries. but anything in between what we have now as modern society and those extremes are unacceptable at this period in our civilization.
There will always be the hardcore fanatics, but the masses will never give up modern life for 6th century Islam, even the tribesman in Afghanistan, hardly the most cosmopolitan of peoples, kicked the Taliban out when they started to ban the simple pleasures that had been enjoyed by tribesmen for generations. they didnt. northern tribes with the assistance of u.s. did. taliban at all eventualities is back in influence in afghanistan as of now.
People don't like being told how to live by a bunch of stuffy old men or religious fanatics, or at least most people don't, and so they will not seriously follow or adhere to these ideologies because secretly they just want to live and human nature is human nature no matter where you grew up. its not about liking. you are beaten down to it in repressive regimes. its not as if you have a choice.
MS Fanboy at the ready! oh boy. i wasnt expecting anyone to do it that bluntly.
Server glitch. Because I'm able to send Youtube links just fine. I"ve never had a problem sending youtube links. great excuse. you should seek a job in govt.
I did have problems with AIM yesterday trying to send a legitimate License # to a co-worker for a piece of software with a floating license! And Aim blocks all kinds of comments. aol belongs to satan already.
In fact I've never had MSN Block a message. we had microsoft turkey block messages that contained rahip (meaning christian priest) in it.
"we are being repressed ! our rights !!!" yell the islamists, to eu, international institutions and press, whenever they find the chance. they are always the victim.
yet, the same victims who speak about rights to eu, start violating others' rights in wherever and whenever they find themselves in the majority. you cant go into the districts and walk around merrily, in the districts of the cities that are majorly islamist here. they are like a different country, even a different world. whichever school (elementary or above, until middle school everyone is a kid, noone represses noone) they get a considerable majority, problems arise. people who dont fast in ramadan gets beaten, and government (islamist) dismisses the issue as "some radicals, an individual event" (yet those individual events just keep happening and increasing), turban wearing girls start to oust non turban wearing girls from their groups as their numbers increase, whereas they were just being metropolitan and mixing in with the non scarf wearing girls before getting the majority, and so on.
this, was as such even around 1988, when i was in high school, and the secular system was strong in place, and laws were much more heavy handed. the occurences of being asked 'why are you not wearing a headscarf' to girls not wearing one was very common even by then.
now we have the naive eu dismantling entire mechanisms that prevent turkey from becoming a repressive islamist society. and on the grounds of human rights too. unfortunately the same eu will not be able to protect anyone's rights here, when islamists finally get high judiciary and army bagged, just as they are not able to protect anyone's rights in iran islam republic.
those laws ban only wearing of headscarves in universities, high schools, elementary schools. they do not ban anyone from receiving any education.
but, those who want to wear headscarves dont go to higher education if they are banned from wearing headscarves within the confines of university.
had it been in u.k., or had it been in france or germany, this would be an awkward thing, because in those countries that particular headscarf is not a symbolical flag that radical islamists gather around. the headscarf they wear, the 'turban' is not the traditional headscarf of turkish women. NOone in turkey objects anyone wearing traditional headscarf, and even the heavy handed secular, anti islamist representatives in the assembly even suggested such a solution - we can allow headscarves in universities, if you put a note that it has to be in the form of traditional headscarf.
ENTIRE islamists segment in turkey have created a big fuss about it. turban wearing women said they would never wear it.
the reason is simple. even if it is the traditional headwear of turkish women for centuries, a normal headscarf is not an islamic symbol that radicals hold as a rallying cause for the radicalism. if they are made wear the traditional one, they will not be able to use it as an agitating symbol, because noone objects to traditional headscarf.
they have to push turban. for the last 20 years they have been using it as a symbol to gather support, they cant just let go of it. one of the major lines this current islamist party used to gain support was the turban cause.
unfortunately turkey is not a european country. the situation here is not something that can be solved through laws that would work in netherlands, switzerland or sweden. we are under heavy influx of radicalism, that is funded by middle eastern radical groups. turkey never will be a modern european country if this islamism thing spreads around. it was almost on the right track 20 years ago, until eu started intervening in turkey and ironically made islamists' task much more easier here..
the real irony is, the heavy handed laws that supposedly stifle that freedom of speech, and the army are the only defenses left against encroaching islamism here. all other bureaucratic and governmental offices and ministries, down to the municipal level, are as of now staffed with islamists, and we are seeing the results of it first hand.
the kind of laws that you condemn here, are ironically the laws that remain to defend us from total abolishment of any kind of freedom of speech. but, unfortunately as of now they are not being let to work, and again, ironically, by the hand of Eu. islamist government has just prepared a new legislation to totally change how constitutional court members are appointed. they are going to choose them, rather than legal system choosing the members according to merits among themselves, with democratic voting. the only places where islamists couldnt fill in their people were constitutional court and the army. now goes the judiciary, thanks to the new legislation that is pushed by Eu. army will be a tougher place to fill with islamists though.
my advice to you is, without knowing the actual conditions in a culture/society, dont make sarcastic or sneery remarks, or dont think that what passes as valid in sweden or canada, can pass in any culture/country in the world. because, it does not.
im turkish. what he says is not what he conceives, or he expects or etc.
what he is saying about muslims taking over europe and putting women in burka and banning alcohol and bringing a medieval middle eastern culture all over europe is NOT what he imagines, its what MUSLIM GROUPS that hold great leverage and followers, say. they are OPENLY declaring that this is their intention. all around europe. in uk, netherlands, france and germany, these are going around in underhand jihad and propaganda cd distributions, in meetings or in obscure, far from sight mosques. but in turkey, now, there is a firm islamist government in control thanks to the votes from the islamists who SAID they were going to multiply and turn turkey to an islamist state back 20 years ago. and thanks to that islamist government, many sheiks, groups, 'charities' that were doing the same thing thats happening europe underhand, now are OPENLY and clearly declaring their intentions in public. no - not extreme, radical, eccentric people these are. these are major leaders of the islamist segments of the society. they are openly saying that democracy is no good, the only 'salvation' can be found under islamist republic with a theology, everyone HAS to live under the rules of islam. and when the constitutional court here tries to prosecute them for anti democratical and secular behaviour, guess what happens - they run to european union, and in an APPALLING move, european union supports, and tries to protect these people from being prosecuted inside turkey's borders according to turkey's own laws. i dont know which is more appalling though, the intervention in another country's LEGAL system, or the fact that eu, which is an organization that purports to be founded on ideals of humanism, democracy, modern values, actually protects people who say they WILL abolish democracy, and all of those modern values. no. dont do err here - its not 'opinion' or 'freedom of speech' or anything, they ARE actually taking measures and taking action to that extent - setting up 'charities' that fund 'boarding schools' in which youngsters aged 6 to 22 are brainwashed against EVERY of modern ideals we hold dear today, including freedom of speech, and non discrimination. and yes, indeed discrimination and hatred against western values are brainwashed into those kids, they are taught that west is rotten morally, anything good has to pertain to islam, jews, europe and us are satan, and they should fight against them. from whence do i know ? i HAVE been in those places. and i have many acquaintances and even relatives, who actually are lost to that brainwashing. it is sad. in turkey, since the last 6 years under this islamist party, enmity towards modernism and west has reached a peak.
what is more appalling for me is the stance of the 'mild' muslims, who supposedly constitute the majority of muslims in the world. what they dont realize that, under islam, there can be no mild muslim, and any idea to the contrary is make believe, and self delusion. in islam, there are very solid orders in koran that openly, plainly orders that muslims have to fight jews and christians, and either forcibly convert them, or subdue and take tribute from them (maida surah, 9/29) and similar. one would try to argue that, it was valid at that time, in 600 AD, but it has to be commented, interpreted in some other way, but you cant. when you try to do this, you hit a solid wall ; according to islam, koran is the unchanged word of god. noone's word, including mohammad's word can be held over koran. it is god's will. AND koran states multiple times (around 7 separate places actually) that it is a very clear, understandable book that does not require any interpretation, intermediary (cleric, priest or anything), or reference from other places. when you combine these 3 facts, you CANT argue anything against someone says that muslims should fight against jews and christians.
thats why all the modernist, reformist ideas that some people are trying to spread around in middle east are hitting
if you can. in almost EVERY sh@t microsoft pulled in the last 6 months, you have been inventing lots of excuses. what is the reasonable excuse for this ? why shouldnt google censor keywords like microsoft, windows, xp, vista now ?
thats how the machine works. spread filth for the machine, and get a crappy position somewhere. then be happy with the small position they saw fit for you in return for the irreparable damage you did to justice and human civilization.
its impossible to asses either A or B will be more beneficial. at this state, what shareholders did is evil because of the immediate result of their actions.
here, those ms fanbois with mod points among us. now you can waste your mod points on this post so that you wont be able to use it to downmod any valid comment from anyone else. thank you.
Huh ? black hat grey hat white hat, now blue hat ? what about fartie heart hats ? is i.t. world discriminating against people with Hats from other walks of life ? shame on you all...
ill buy spore, and then acquire a crack to get rid of your stupid phone-home sh@t. one would think that after all the reaction to the crap sony pulled, the industry should have had gained some sense of what consumers think. but apparently no, there are total idiots lingering in the industry still.
on the internet. big buck corporations with past century's mindset have been dominating everything for way too long. sorry ms fanboiz, but your ms is also one of the corporations that was founded and living on the late 19th and early 20th century big buck mindset. and these companies DO pull a lot of sh@tty stunt, regardless of anything, anyone, to increase their profits. they dont even care for their own customer base, as you can see from the games that are being played in u.s. senate in the recent years - all to the detriment of people, to benefit of them, including trying to abolish net neutrality to immunity for telcos.
it was about time the 'good guys', the companies that are founded on the new, up and coming understanding of the internet age and people had started acting up and standing up. this, was the kind of thing we needed to see all along - pulling a stunt against big buck. even though corporations they may be, in their own right, these two (google and yahoo) are much more the 'people's kind' of corporation than microsoft, at&t, comcast and whatever old big monolithic bastardly hunks of corporations can be.
now, if only those 'new guys' had today's understanding and preemptive mindset since 3-4 years ago, we wouldnt ever risk network neutrality going down the drain, or wouldnt have telco immunity sh@t at our door today.
sun and mysql people made some part of my day here today, with this news.
That will be great for blizzard and wow
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in the wake of their messing up entire game, coming of age of conan and other major mmos, this shit of a stunt they are pulling with bastardizing the ages old concept of 'sale' will be great publicity for them, and will make wow subscriber numbers swell.
NOT.
idiots. you are living at the age of internet, and running an internet game service. you should have gone with listening to your subscriber base, rather than listening to your shithead lawyers. ask your lawyers to make up for your subscriber revenue losses now, in all your morondom.
im no westerner, and wondering why are you posting as anonymous coward ? a chinese brainwashed nationalist teenager ? probably. your nation doesnt even let you expose your ideas with your real identity on the net.
if you read the entire thread, i would not need to repost this:
there are more of them, like how drivers are actually driving BACKWARDS from a no-cross part of the road until they reach the part marked as crossable to the other side, after stopping at a red light and realizing they need to get to the other side. the irony is that, going backwards in a red light, even they are alone in the road, is much worse than trying to cross over from no-cross line to the other lane.
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back when i was 12 years old. and did that 5 times a day thing too. im not a muslim anymore. as i said, i recanted it long ago.
unfortunately there are nothing changing the meaning of maidah 9/29, in the verses way above or way below it. its very openly ordered. Also non-Muslims should be aware that while the Koran is primary, the Hadith [wikipedia.org] writings are also extremely important to Muslims, and any understanding of Islam is incomplete if all you have read is the Koran. To complicate matters further, different sects have different Hadiths. yes, however anything in koran overrules ANYthing ANYone can say. this also is stated in multiple occasions with mohammad's hadith. this is the dilemma.
Their young people, and particularly those who have grown up in Europe, Britain, and the United States, have the same basic desires and after exposure to western culture and ideas with all of the sports, sex, drugs, fast food, movies, and other influences they will become just as corrupted and apathetic as young people everywhere. the 80s was like that here too. after 90s, a regression has started, due to brainwashing. multiplication process doesnt go by itself, they put brainwashing to accompany it. and it works well.
They can be as religious as they want to be, but how many of them will fall to the temptations and decedent pleasures of western culture when they are away from their group? For example, look at all of the young people in Saudi Arabia and other "conservative" Arab countries who go off to Damascus to let their hair down, ditch the Niqab, and "have a good time". yes im aware of that, they come here too. but, the thing is, iran and saudi arabia are on the extreme verge. its natural for a reaction to appear in such countries. but anything in between what we have now as modern society and those extremes are unacceptable at this period in our civilization.
There will always be the hardcore fanatics, but the masses will never give up modern life for 6th century Islam, even the tribesman in Afghanistan, hardly the most cosmopolitan of peoples, kicked the Taliban out when they started to ban the simple pleasures that had been enjoyed by tribesmen for generations. they didnt. northern tribes with the assistance of u.s. did. taliban at all eventualities is back in influence in afghanistan as of now. People don't like being told how to live by a bunch of stuffy old men or religious fanatics, or at least most people don't, and so they will not seriously follow or adhere to these ideologies because secretly they just want to live and human nature is human nature no matter where you grew up. its not about liking. you are beaten down to it in repressive regimes. its not as if you have a choice.
"we are being repressed ! our rights !!!" yell the islamists, to eu, international institutions and press, whenever they find the chance. they are always the victim.
yet, the same victims who speak about rights to eu, start violating others' rights in wherever and whenever they find themselves in the majority. you cant go into the districts and walk around merrily, in the districts of the cities that are majorly islamist here. they are like a different country, even a different world. whichever school (elementary or above, until middle school everyone is a kid, noone represses noone) they get a considerable majority, problems arise. people who dont fast in ramadan gets beaten, and government (islamist) dismisses the issue as "some radicals, an individual event" (yet those individual events just keep happening and increasing), turban wearing girls start to oust non turban wearing girls from their groups as their numbers increase, whereas they were just being metropolitan and mixing in with the non scarf wearing girls before getting the majority, and so on.
this, was as such even around 1988, when i was in high school, and the secular system was strong in place, and laws were much more heavy handed. the occurences of being asked 'why are you not wearing a headscarf' to girls not wearing one was very common even by then.
now we have the naive eu dismantling entire mechanisms that prevent turkey from becoming a repressive islamist society. and on the grounds of human rights too. unfortunately the same eu will not be able to protect anyone's rights here, when islamists finally get high judiciary and army bagged, just as they are not able to protect anyone's rights in iran islam republic.
those laws ban only wearing of headscarves in universities, high schools, elementary schools. they do not ban anyone from receiving any education.
but, those who want to wear headscarves dont go to higher education if they are banned from wearing headscarves within the confines of university.
had it been in u.k., or had it been in france or germany, this would be an awkward thing, because in those countries that particular headscarf is not a symbolical flag that radical islamists gather around. the headscarf they wear, the 'turban' is not the traditional headscarf of turkish women. NOone in turkey objects anyone wearing traditional headscarf, and even the heavy handed secular, anti islamist representatives in the assembly even suggested such a solution - we can allow headscarves in universities, if you put a note that it has to be in the form of traditional headscarf.
ENTIRE islamists segment in turkey have created a big fuss about it. turban wearing women said they would never wear it.
the reason is simple. even if it is the traditional headwear of turkish women for centuries, a normal headscarf is not an islamic symbol that radicals hold as a rallying cause for the radicalism. if they are made wear the traditional one, they will not be able to use it as an agitating symbol, because noone objects to traditional headscarf.
they have to push turban. for the last 20 years they have been using it as a symbol to gather support, they cant just let go of it. one of the major lines this current islamist party used to gain support was the turban cause.
unfortunately turkey is not a european country. the situation here is not something that can be solved through laws that would work in netherlands, switzerland or sweden. we are under heavy influx of radicalism, that is funded by middle eastern radical groups. turkey never will be a modern european country if this islamism thing spreads around. it was almost on the right track 20 years ago, until eu started intervening in turkey and ironically made islamists' task much more easier here..
but you dont know the real irony.
the real irony is, the heavy handed laws that supposedly stifle that freedom of speech, and the army are the only defenses left against encroaching islamism here. all other bureaucratic and governmental offices and ministries, down to the municipal level, are as of now staffed with islamists, and we are seeing the results of it first hand.
the kind of laws that you condemn here, are ironically the laws that remain to defend us from total abolishment of any kind of freedom of speech. but, unfortunately as of now they are not being let to work, and again, ironically, by the hand of Eu. islamist government has just prepared a new legislation to totally change how constitutional court members are appointed. they are going to choose them, rather than legal system choosing the members according to merits among themselves, with democratic voting. the only places where islamists couldnt fill in their people were constitutional court and the army. now goes the judiciary, thanks to the new legislation that is pushed by Eu. army will be a tougher place to fill with islamists though.
my advice to you is, without knowing the actual conditions in a culture/society, dont make sarcastic or sneery remarks, or dont think that what passes as valid in sweden or canada, can pass in any culture/country in the world. because, it does not.
im turkish. what he says is not what he conceives, or he expects or etc.
what he is saying about muslims taking over europe and putting women in burka and banning alcohol and bringing a medieval middle eastern culture all over europe is NOT what he imagines, its what MUSLIM GROUPS that hold great leverage and followers, say. they are OPENLY declaring that this is their intention. all around europe. in uk, netherlands, france and germany, these are going around in underhand jihad and propaganda cd distributions, in meetings or in obscure, far from sight mosques. but in turkey, now, there is a firm islamist government in control thanks to the votes from the islamists who SAID they were going to multiply and turn turkey to an islamist state back 20 years ago. and thanks to that islamist government, many sheiks, groups, 'charities' that were doing the same thing thats happening europe underhand, now are OPENLY and clearly declaring their intentions in public. no - not extreme, radical, eccentric people these are. these are major leaders of the islamist segments of the society. they are openly saying that democracy is no good, the only 'salvation' can be found under islamist republic with a theology, everyone HAS to live under the rules of islam. and when the constitutional court here tries to prosecute them for anti democratical and secular behaviour, guess what happens - they run to european union, and in an APPALLING move, european union supports, and tries to protect these people from being prosecuted inside turkey's borders according to turkey's own laws. i dont know which is more appalling though, the intervention in another country's LEGAL system, or the fact that eu, which is an organization that purports to be founded on ideals of humanism, democracy, modern values, actually protects people who say they WILL abolish democracy, and all of those modern values. no. dont do err here - its not 'opinion' or 'freedom of speech' or anything, they ARE actually taking measures and taking action to that extent - setting up 'charities' that fund 'boarding schools' in which youngsters aged 6 to 22 are brainwashed against EVERY of modern ideals we hold dear today, including freedom of speech, and non discrimination. and yes, indeed discrimination and hatred against western values are brainwashed into those kids, they are taught that west is rotten morally, anything good has to pertain to islam, jews, europe and us are satan, and they should fight against them. from whence do i know ? i HAVE been in those places. and i have many acquaintances and even relatives, who actually are lost to that brainwashing. it is sad. in turkey, since the last 6 years under this islamist party, enmity towards modernism and west has reached a peak.
what is more appalling for me is the stance of the 'mild' muslims, who supposedly constitute the majority of muslims in the world. what they dont realize that, under islam, there can be no mild muslim, and any idea to the contrary is make believe, and self delusion. in islam, there are very solid orders in koran that openly, plainly orders that muslims have to fight jews and christians, and either forcibly convert them, or subdue and take tribute from them (maida surah, 9/29) and similar. one would try to argue that, it was valid at that time, in 600 AD, but it has to be commented, interpreted in some other way, but you cant. when you try to do this, you hit a solid wall ; according to islam, koran is the unchanged word of god. noone's word, including mohammad's word can be held over koran. it is god's will. AND koran states multiple times (around 7 separate places actually) that it is a very clear, understandable book that does not require any interpretation, intermediary (cleric, priest or anything), or reference from other places. when you combine these 3 facts, you CANT argue anything against someone says that muslims should fight against jews and christians.
thats why all the modernist, reformist ideas that some people are trying to spread around in middle east are hitting
if you can. in almost EVERY sh@t microsoft pulled in the last 6 months, you have been inventing lots of excuses. what is the reasonable excuse for this ? why shouldnt google censor keywords like microsoft, windows, xp, vista now ?
one should never try to challenge the collective mind of the /.
so now you moderated this obvious junk moderation sink parent post insightful ?
YOU WON THIS ROUND SLASHDOT !! BUT YOU'LL RUE THE NEXT !!!
thats how the machine works. spread filth for the machine, and get a crappy position somewhere. then be happy with the small position they saw fit for you in return for the irreparable damage you did to justice and human civilization.
its impossible to asses either A or B will be more beneficial. at this state, what shareholders did is evil because of the immediate result of their actions.
Its evident that majority of its shareholders are. well done, budding fascists !
here, those ms fanbois with mod points among us. now you can waste your mod points on this post so that you wont be able to use it to downmod any valid comment from anyone else. thank you.
a republican in u.s. congres. go REP !!!
for not being a prick and pushing the thing around like sco did.
Huh ? black hat grey hat white hat, now blue hat ? what about fartie heart hats ? is i.t. world discriminating against people with Hats from other walks of life ? shame on you all ...
ill buy spore, and then acquire a crack to get rid of your stupid phone-home sh@t. one would think that after all the reaction to the crap sony pulled, the industry should have had gained some sense of what consumers think. but apparently no, there are total idiots lingering in the industry still.
on the internet. big buck corporations with past century's mindset have been dominating everything for way too long. sorry ms fanboiz, but your ms is also one of the corporations that was founded and living on the late 19th and early 20th century big buck mindset. and these companies DO pull a lot of sh@tty stunt, regardless of anything, anyone, to increase their profits. they dont even care for their own customer base, as you can see from the games that are being played in u.s. senate in the recent years - all to the detriment of people, to benefit of them, including trying to abolish net neutrality to immunity for telcos.
it was about time the 'good guys', the companies that are founded on the new, up and coming understanding of the internet age and people had started acting up and standing up. this, was the kind of thing we needed to see all along - pulling a stunt against big buck. even though corporations they may be, in their own right, these two (google and yahoo) are much more the 'people's kind' of corporation than microsoft, at&t, comcast and whatever old big monolithic bastardly hunks of corporations can be.
now, if only those 'new guys' had today's understanding and preemptive mindset since 3-4 years ago, we wouldnt ever risk network neutrality going down the drain, or wouldnt have telco immunity sh@t at our door today.
well, then we will find a ShitSSL and use it.
sun and mysql people made some part of my day here today, with this news.
in the wake of their messing up entire game, coming of age of conan and other major mmos, this shit of a stunt they are pulling with bastardizing the ages old concept of 'sale' will be great publicity for them, and will make wow subscriber numbers swell.
NOT.
idiots. you are living at the age of internet, and running an internet game service. you should have gone with listening to your subscriber base, rather than listening to your shithead lawyers. ask your lawyers to make up for your subscriber revenue losses now, in all your morondom.
rapidssl
im no westerner, and wondering why are you posting as anonymous coward ? a chinese brainwashed nationalist teenager ? probably. your nation doesnt even let you expose your ideas with your real identity on the net.