Didnt you check comments ? People already quoted that there are 7 permission levels, and the OWNER of the computer, even with admin privileges sits in third. Top, is not the owner.
First, be civil, kind and polite in your correspondence. From your speech, you are trying to demean insult and belittle the opposing faction more than you provide arguments for your case.
Second, if you are not able to realise what is legally important or not, and courts take cases in confines of applicable reason, not fantastic arguments, dont speak about it.
The issue at hand is whether anything done there is LEGALLY right, or wrong. And in legal terms, its no more harmful than your satellite receiver, your dvr, pvr or whatever. I see that you got that point well, but still trying to fight out an argument.
Not only that but technical-wise you are now instead arguing that using disk as memory cache/storage until processing takes much longer than it is in memory. Well, that is ignorance if anything isnt. On a heavily used server data waits more in swap file.
What you are doing seems more like an attempt to demean php and php community than arguing a technical issue. With that demeanor of yours, its no wonder that you java (and similar obscure language) people are increasingly becoming outcasts.
You are saying that you will OWN a computer in the midst of your living room, install a piece of software in it in order for it to work, you are going to do internet banking over it, send and receive private emails to your colleagues, family, loved ones and friends over it, preserve your private documents on it, and yet, you are o.k. with someone in a remote location having more control over it than you do ? To the extent that they can override whatever you want to do on it ?
What kind of over-trustful approach is this ? Are you living in a place where people still can sleep with their doors unlocked at night ?
We dont need to bring immediate examples from recent years to prove the dangers of such practice, even though we would be able to do so in high numbers.
This is social mechanics. It doesnt differ from time to time. Only methods and excuses differ. In 1200, there was religion and divinity which were used to justify practices that were in fact an extension of the power of the ruling class, then in and after 18th century it became nation's interests, now there are other excuses as religion and nationality no longer taken seriously.
These practices do not differ from scale to scale even. The powers-that-wanna be are found in small children playgrounds, in colleges, in political organisations alike.
I dont get what part of this fact you need me prove ?
Almost ALL stuff we use in our modern world holds on to the information for at least a while.
Even when with the tv, the received transmission spends a few miliseconds before finally arriving at the crt and lighting up the screen.
As per your argument, even this legally should be a copyright infringement - as your device holds on to the copyrighted material even for a matter of a few miliseconds. However we all accept that it is not so, as it is the workings of the machine neccessitates it, and the device owner is not able to abuse this a few seconds delay to his/her own profit.
You say python and java does not store the image in a saved file eh. Where they are doing the operation on the received image then ? In limbo ? They are using the memory to do it, the least. In ANY case, the image will spend some time in the server's ram. A few miliseconds, nay, probably a little higher. What does image upload function for php do ? get the file uploaded, which, you will have to wait until the upload is complete, and at that moment it is complete reprocess and stream it back, and delete the file. How long does it take ? 1 seconds ? 1.5 ? Whats the difference in holding a file for 0.5 seconds or 1.5 seconds for processing ? The 'saving' part confuses you ? Saving to disk ? What happens when on a python or java server the memory is full, and the uploaded file ends in swap file instead of memory ? Whats the difference ?
But eh. I cant know this, since i dont know how my script works. Sorry to bother you.
Is it TOO hard to realize that, ONCE you give a mechanism that can control the public to powers-that-be, they use it to their ends.
This has ALWAYS happened to be so during the course of world history. And it certainly did not change a year ago.
The excuse for erecting up a control mechanism is child porn today, which is chosen because it is something that public will not be able to resist and object. Not something else.
Once the mechanism is in place, it is in place. Can be used to meet whatever end.
actually ANYTHING that says anything against java or praises php is moderated down like hell all around slashdot, in case you havent noticed. causes might be numerous, but in any case it is something that is very detrimental to developer community and proves that there are more zealots than professionals around here. so i knew that that post would be modded down speedily right at the start by some java fanboy so that noone should read it - just like microsoft stuff.
Also, based upon the 2-3 hateful posts you have made in reply to my post, i have come to know your nick as representing a person that is aggressive, annoying, uncivil in manners and also a zealot of sorts.
So if you please, i wont be replying to your future comments here, as i dont like this lowly type of 'discussion' which is in fact little more than aggressive bickering.
Oh but wait. Maybe ALL uploads end up as temporary files and deleted when processing ? Kinda as it happens in all uploads around the net ? Maybe we should establish a ram cache and process the images in there shouldnt we ? hmmmm but then that again would mean that files are then would be SAVED in the ram cache eh ?
Well what i think is that you seem like you are on a witch hunt. Much annoying, and contrary to what you think, goes far to prove my point than to prove yours.
it means preventing acccess to some information. what information ? who to decide ? a few 'non-profit' organisations and government agencies. based on what ? public opinion. how long ? not too long.
censorship always starts out to satisfy public sentiment so that public can accept it. step by step it turns to a controlling mechanism for those who can use it to their ends.
you are not giving up YOUR personal freedom. you are giving up your children's future freedoms also, by providing powers-that-be and powers-that-wannabe by the mechanism to supress stuff that are detrimental to their own profit, and probably profitable to your children.
i was there right from the start. swg was handed to sony. sony messed the hell out of the players - they treated it like scum. to milk more money, they have introduced axeman, swordsman, PIKEMAN, FENCER into the game, and these were more powerful than people with a blaster. people complained, they did not listen. then swg broken the account cancellation rate records.
im at wow at the moment. blizzard, as we know from starcraft, still takes much care in production and implementation. and they actually take notice of their players and listen.
Fallout is a BIG name. And with such a budget, if spent even fairly wisely, it will easily be an alternative to wow. in gaming-sense of course, as they are in seperate fantasy settings. however it would be nice to have. even i might want to maintain 2 accounts one in wow and one in fallout, and get a bit of a change of air every now and then by going into one and the other.
it is easily comparable. c47s themselves were also grounded when they were external disturbances - flak fire, lack of fuel and so on - where they did service in the war and after the war. and due to their widespread use in high numbers, they have faced these issues more than other airplane types, just like php does in programming languages.
I see a lot of people who feel compelled to praise java, put it over other stuff for such or such reasons.
what i see is that some of this inclination stems from the fact that all people have the need to be 'different' in them, and all of us manifest this in this way or another. some choose 'breaking off from the crowd in programming languages', and pick a language to be enthusiast of and praise it. some choose java, some asp some another.
this is just an unfruitful thing to do. differentiation of self needs to be achieved by discovering things within the self, not by identifying with things in kinda 'black sheep' position in the outer world. also it is totally unprofessional.
there are reasons for something being widely and extensively used, and being flexible, and people liking it. calling languages like php 'low end', or 'entry level' does not hide the fact that many people are using them to great extent, and they are being successful and standard every day.
some in this thread has gone far to the point that naming java as an 'enterprise' thing.
something being 'created for the enterprise' does not make it enterprise grade. such naming just shows the intent of the creating group or company's intent to serve it or sell it to 'enterprises' (which means the organizations with big money to flush on them). if these apps are not up to the challenge, or there are better competitors, they just fail and get back in the line of preference.
php, as an example if you will, is on the forefront of preference for both the public and the 'enterprise'. the fact that it provides ease, low cost, low maintenance and great flexibility is an indicator that if an enterprise provides the same effort it will need to spend for other 'enterprise' tagged stuff, like java, they will be able to do more with php.
even java enthusiast admit that java web serving requires more resources than php or other some competitors. MORE resources is not something that enterprises like. this is one of the reasons of javas failure.
some enthusiast says that php (insert another popular language here) is 'insecure'.
had java been that popular, it would be in the same state - few hackers need to waste time with java server exploits because the gain is low when you manage to find one.
professionally, i see these approaches/tendencies just in the same category with griefing. you cant make or break some widely used stuff by just ignoring the facts or praising things people dont need or already find in other apps.
there are zillions of apps written in php for ecommerce, security, collaboration, publishing, gaming, parsing, collecting data, database management, and innumerable stuff, crap, sh*t that if i wanted to name fields and examples, 6 months of my life would only be enough to complete them.
not nifty arguments, deductions, logicalisations, semantics or can define something is good or not, nor your or some other people's views as 'expert programmers'. nor what something was made for at the start does.
what defines something to be useful and successful is its EXTENSIVE and WIDESPREAD usage and FLEXIBILITY.
Like the volkswagen beetle, or C-47, or post-its, or pizza, PHP, is successful.
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Didnt you check comments ? People already quoted that there are 7 permission levels, and the OWNER of the computer, even with admin privileges sits in third. Top, is not the owner.
Heres some tips for you :
First, be civil, kind and polite in your correspondence. From your speech, you are trying to demean insult and belittle the opposing faction more than you provide arguments for your case.
Second, if you are not able to realise what is legally important or not, and courts take cases in confines of applicable reason, not fantastic arguments, dont speak about it.
The issue at hand is whether anything done there is LEGALLY right, or wrong. And in legal terms, its no more harmful than your satellite receiver, your dvr, pvr or whatever. I see that you got that point well, but still trying to fight out an argument.
Not only that but technical-wise you are now instead arguing that using disk as memory cache/storage until processing takes much longer than it is in memory. Well, that is ignorance if anything isnt. On a heavily used server data waits more in swap file.
What you are doing seems more like an attempt to demean php and php community than arguing a technical issue. With that demeanor of yours, its no wonder that you java (and similar obscure language) people are increasingly becoming outcasts.
Be civil first.
You are saying that you will OWN a computer in the midst of your living room, install a piece of software in it in order for it to work, you are going to do internet banking over it, send and receive private emails to your colleagues, family, loved ones and friends over it, preserve your private documents on it, and yet, you are o.k. with someone in a remote location having more control over it than you do ? To the extent that they can override whatever you want to do on it ?
What kind of over-trustful approach is this ? Are you living in a place where people still can sleep with their doors unlocked at night ?
We dont need to bring immediate examples from recent years to prove the dangers of such practice, even though we would be able to do so in high numbers.
This is social mechanics. It doesnt differ from time to time. Only methods and excuses differ. In 1200, there was religion and divinity which were used to justify practices that were in fact an extension of the power of the ruling class, then in and after 18th century it became nation's interests, now there are other excuses as religion and nationality no longer taken seriously.
These practices do not differ from scale to scale even. The powers-that-wanna be are found in small children playgrounds, in colleges, in political organisations alike.
I dont get what part of this fact you need me prove ?
Almost ALL stuff we use in our modern world holds on to the information for at least a while.
Even when with the tv, the received transmission spends a few miliseconds before finally arriving at the crt and lighting up the screen.
As per your argument, even this legally should be a copyright infringement - as your device holds on to the copyrighted material even for a matter of a few miliseconds. However we all accept that it is not so, as it is the workings of the machine neccessitates it, and the device owner is not able to abuse this a few seconds delay to his/her own profit.
You say python and java does not store the image in a saved file eh. Where they are doing the operation on the received image then ? In limbo ? They are using the memory to do it, the least. In ANY case, the image will spend some time in the server's ram. A few miliseconds, nay, probably a little higher. What does image upload function for php do ? get the file uploaded, which, you will have to wait until the upload is complete, and at that moment it is complete reprocess and stream it back, and delete the file. How long does it take ? 1 seconds ? 1.5 ? Whats the difference in holding a file for 0.5 seconds or 1.5 seconds for processing ? The 'saving' part confuses you ? Saving to disk ? What happens when on a python or java server the memory is full, and the uploaded file ends in swap file instead of memory ? Whats the difference ?
But eh. I cant know this, since i dont know how my script works. Sorry to bother you.
... or someone else will patent it first !
Is it TOO hard to realize that, ONCE you give a mechanism that can control the public to powers-that-be, they use it to their ends.
This has ALWAYS happened to be so during the course of world history. And it certainly did not change a year ago.
The excuse for erecting up a control mechanism is child porn today, which is chosen because it is something that public will not be able to resist and object. Not something else.
Once the mechanism is in place, it is in place. Can be used to meet whatever end.
actually ANYTHING that says anything against java or praises php is moderated down like hell all around slashdot, in case you havent noticed. causes might be numerous, but in any case it is something that is very detrimental to developer community and proves that there are more zealots than professionals around here. so i knew that that post would be modded down speedily right at the start by some java fanboy so that noone should read it - just like microsoft stuff.
Also, based upon the 2-3 hateful posts you have made in reply to my post, i have come to know your nick as representing a person that is aggressive, annoying, uncivil in manners and also a zealot of sorts.
So if you please, i wont be replying to your future comments here, as i dont like this lowly type of 'discussion' which is in fact little more than aggressive bickering.
Oh but wait. Maybe ALL uploads end up as temporary files and deleted when processing ? Kinda as it happens in all uploads around the net ? Maybe we should establish a ram cache and process the images in there shouldnt we ? hmmmm but then that again would mean that files are then would be SAVED in the ram cache eh ?
Well what i think is that you seem like you are on a witch hunt. Much annoying, and contrary to what you think, goes far to prove my point than to prove yours.
Yes indeed you have found some mishaps in a code that was produced during one afternoon's tea for curiousity.
Well done !!!
Why THAT much hate towards php, and trying THAT hard to demean it ? im really asking.
That is a most clueless point of view you have.
censorship is a trigger happy thing.
it means preventing acccess to some information. what information ? who to decide ? a few 'non-profit' organisations and government agencies. based on what ? public opinion. how long ? not too long.
censorship always starts out to satisfy public sentiment so that public can accept it. step by step it turns to a controlling mechanism for those who can use it to their ends.
you are not giving up YOUR personal freedom. you are giving up your children's future freedoms also, by providing powers-that-be and powers-that-wannabe by the mechanism to supress stuff that are detrimental to their own profit, and probably profitable to your children.
It is easy to understand that how any post saying anything against java gets moderated down like hell.
being 'most extensively used commercial' is WAY down in scala from being 'most extensively used'. some corporations use java, but everyone uses php.
my butt would be giving buttloads of major security holes ...
Something which is used extensively gets more flaws discovered than something that is used less. Get this in your heads.
i was there right from the start. swg was handed to sony. sony messed the hell out of the players - they treated it like scum. to milk more money, they have introduced axeman, swordsman, PIKEMAN, FENCER into the game, and these were more powerful than people with a blaster. people complained, they did not listen. then swg broken the account cancellation rate records.
im at wow at the moment. blizzard, as we know from starcraft, still takes much care in production and implementation. and they actually take notice of their players and listen.
Well, definitely i meant compared to d.c. you got out of scope.
They said ridiculous, they said unimaginable. now whole world is using alternative current as a means of channeling electricity.
Fallout is a BIG name. And with such a budget, if spent even fairly wisely, it will easily be an alternative to wow. in gaming-sense of course, as they are in seperate fantasy settings. however it would be nice to have. even i might want to maintain 2 accounts one in wow and one in fallout, and get a bit of a change of air every now and then by going into one and the other.
from what i have been hearing on the net and media. apparently its a place like a circus.
even in places theres no electorate system, people vote greedy people into positions of power.
it is easily comparable. c47s themselves were also grounded when they were external disturbances - flak fire, lack of fuel and so on - where they did service in the war and after the war. and due to their widespread use in high numbers, they have faced these issues more than other airplane types, just like php does in programming languages.
- that cracked me up : one rootkit to bring delete them all, and in the darknes bind them
I see a lot of people who feel compelled to praise java, put it over other stuff for such or such reasons.
what i see is that some of this inclination stems from the fact that all people have the need to be 'different' in them, and all of us manifest this in this way or another. some choose 'breaking off from the crowd in programming languages', and pick a language to be enthusiast of and praise it. some choose java, some asp some another.
this is just an unfruitful thing to do. differentiation of self needs to be achieved by discovering things within the self, not by identifying with things in kinda 'black sheep' position in the outer world. also it is totally unprofessional.
there are reasons for something being widely and extensively used, and being flexible, and people liking it. calling languages like php 'low end', or 'entry level' does not hide the fact that many people are using them to great extent, and they are being successful and standard every day.
some in this thread has gone far to the point that naming java as an 'enterprise' thing.
something being 'created for the enterprise' does not make it enterprise grade. such naming just shows the intent of the creating group or company's intent to serve it or sell it to 'enterprises' (which means the organizations with big money to flush on them). if these apps are not up to the challenge, or there are better competitors, they just fail and get back in the line of preference.
php, as an example if you will, is on the forefront of preference for both the public and the 'enterprise'. the fact that it provides ease, low cost, low maintenance and great flexibility is an indicator that if an enterprise provides the same effort it will need to spend for other 'enterprise' tagged stuff, like java, they will be able to do more with php.
even java enthusiast admit that java web serving requires more resources than php or other some competitors. MORE resources is not something that enterprises like. this is one of the reasons of javas failure.
some enthusiast says that php (insert another popular language here) is 'insecure'.
had java been that popular, it would be in the same state - few hackers need to waste time with java server exploits because the gain is low when you manage to find one.
professionally, i see these approaches/tendencies just in the same category with griefing. you cant make or break some widely used stuff by just ignoring the facts or praising things people dont need or already find in other apps.
there are zillions of apps written in php for ecommerce, security, collaboration, publishing, gaming, parsing, collecting data, database management, and innumerable stuff, crap, sh*t that if i wanted to name fields and examples, 6 months of my life would only be enough to complete them.
not nifty arguments, deductions, logicalisations, semantics or can define something is good or not, nor your or some other people's views as 'expert programmers'. nor what something was made for at the start does.
what defines something to be useful and successful is its EXTENSIVE and WIDESPREAD usage and FLEXIBILITY.
Like the volkswagen beetle, or C-47, or post-its, or pizza, PHP, is successful.
cope with it.
In the rich-man's world !!!!
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More of it you caaaan haaaveee iiiit !
You got my meaning, i presume
IQ tests, eq tests, general culture test should be conducted before someone can even put candidacy in any electable position.