ok, sure, but just what do you suggest we do when people start blowing us up? "oh, hey, some people got blowed up. Huh. What's for lunch, anyway?"
I made the analogy because a successful terrorist attack will terrorize people, no matter how you look down on the "unwashed masses" and their "sheep-herd mentality." Why? Because people got blowed up and you might be next. Same way with assault. Even if a cop grabs the guy before he punches you in the head, it's still scary.
We can't simply look the other way and not be scared.
We CAN do a better job of not flying into a tizzy about every tiny thing, I'll certainly grant that.
> Uh but the visual feedback would be the display of the page itself
Ideal visual feedback would not require you to 'read' the page and notice the content has changed.
> I'd rather waste my time on things I chosen to waste time on > rather than what some UI designer thinks is cool/neat.
Much like the doctor, a UI expert knows what is good for you, UI-wise, better than you do. I know that goes against the grain of geeks everywhere, but it's true. Besides, I don't think you can seriously call a 200ms animation every page 'a waste of time.'
> I'd rather my multi-GHz CPU computer be slowed down for > good reasons rather than for artificial reasons
I hardly view more closely approximating reality as "artificial"
> Uh just curious, why do you need a 0.5 second animation for page turning?
as visual feedback to confirm you actually pressed the 'next page' button. The physical world almost always gives us feedback when we perform an action - in the case of a page turning, a visual, audible and tactile one. Also an olfactory one if the book is musty. Your brain is used to that, so computers should try to reinforce that.
>If I'm reading a book, I'm more interested in the content > I'm reading rather than the animations of page turning.
that's why it has to be very fast. the problem with the way a lot of UI feedback is implemented is that it's intrusive. you want it so fast that it barely registers - the rapid menu unrolling in KDE or windows is a good example.
The media watchdog group is recommending the FCC fine stations who have violated the rules. The federal regulator can levy fines of up to $32,500 US per violation.
I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but it seems likely that 32k is far below what a station would charge for that kind of service. If it's still a net profit, this is just pointless.
Last time I checked, the gp2x didn't have wifi. That was pretty much the dealbreaker for me. The DS got on my wlan with zero problems, which is more than I can say for most of my linux machines.
"When you flip pages in a book, you go from one page straight to the next. It doesn't "slide", you flip it and that's it."
And that flip takes zero time? Last time I read a book, I could actually see the page being turned.
The problem with this sort of animation is that they're generally not fast enough to be unobtrusive. I don't need a 2-second animation of a page turn, I need a half-second one.
A lot of the limitations on the UI stems from the hardware we use to talk to the computer. The multitouch stuff is awesome, and if/when we see some hardware support, you'll start to see some very, very interesting new stuff.
As much as I hate 'media' keyboards, if they were just standardized I'd be very happy. I'd love to have several software-configurable scrollwheels and sliders. Universal out-of-the-box support for secondary/tertiary/n-ary small LCD displays would also be nice.
I view their desire to not have the military use their software as a precaution against having their work used in a war they felt was unjust. It's not like they could write a license that says "use of this software in a military context is limited to just and necessary wars."
If I spent a year of my time building something to give to the world, I'd feel pretty shitty if it ended up being used to oppress someone or enable governments to spy on my fellow man. I can understand the motivation, although the callout to the laws of robotics is pretty stupid and/or ironic.
oh, jesus christ. I must not have scrolled down the whole way. I feel properly abashed.
I'm sorry you disagree with the generally held view of what a pacifist is, but I'd like to be arguing about the same thing. Your position seems to be that "extremist pacifists who think that violence is never, in any circumstances, justified, are idiots." I'd agree, and further say that "extremist anyones who think that X is [never|always] in any circumstances justified" are also idiots.
"when you say "I am a pacifist" you are saying "I oppose violence/war as a means to political ends. No exceptions."
That's a gross misinterpretation. You might as well claim that a capitalist is someone who objects to governmental interference in the operation of the free market with no exceptions.
Also, I like how you completely ignore the sentence that directly follows the one you quoted: Pacifism covers a spectrum of views ranging from the belief that international disputes can and should be peacefully resolved, to absolute opposition to the use of violence, or even force, under any circumstances.
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> this current "enhanced security" IS flying into a tizzy, and I fear that no one is acknowledging that.
/. I'm afraid you're preaching to the choir.
Maybe in the mainstream media, but here on
it might have been Magneto, I'm not 100% sure.
ok, sure, but just what do you suggest we do when people start blowing us up? "oh, hey, some people got blowed up. Huh. What's for lunch, anyway?"
I made the analogy because a successful terrorist attack will terrorize people, no matter how you look down on the "unwashed masses" and their "sheep-herd mentality." Why? Because people got blowed up and you might be next. Same way with assault. Even if a cop grabs the guy before he punches you in the head, it's still scary.
We can't simply look the other way and not be scared.
We CAN do a better job of not flying into a tizzy about every tiny thing, I'll certainly grant that.
yes, thanks, I'll be sure to watch these hours of video from fine establishments like prisonplanet, indymedia and myspace. Thanks!
same deal with burglary or assault & battery.
Libertarians appear out of fucking nowhere; roll for save vs. simple solutions to complex problems.
Pssh.
Everyone knows Hitler's brain, controlling the UFOs from inside the Hollow Earth, perpetrated 9/11, possibly with help from the Mole Men.
I'm not walkin' around with my dongle hangin' out in the wind.
For serious tho, having a big usb thingie sticking out the side of the device is kind of obnoxious.
> Uh but the visual feedback would be the display of the page itself
Ideal visual feedback would not require you to 'read' the page and notice the content has changed.
> I'd rather waste my time on things I chosen to waste time on
> rather than what some UI designer thinks is cool/neat.
Much like the doctor, a UI expert knows what is good for you, UI-wise, better than you do. I know that goes against the grain of geeks everywhere, but it's true. Besides, I don't think you can seriously call a 200ms animation every page 'a waste of time.'
> I'd rather my multi-GHz CPU computer be slowed down for
> good reasons rather than for artificial reasons
I hardly view more closely approximating reality as "artificial"
> Uh just curious, why do you need a 0.5 second animation for page turning?
as visual feedback to confirm you actually pressed the 'next page' button. The physical world almost always gives us feedback when we perform an action - in the case of a page turning, a visual, audible and tactile one. Also an olfactory one if the book is musty. Your brain is used to that, so computers should try to reinforce that.
>If I'm reading a book, I'm more interested in the content
> I'm reading rather than the animations of page turning.
that's why it has to be very fast. the problem with the way a lot of UI feedback is implemented is that it's intrusive. you want it so fast that it barely registers - the rapid menu unrolling in KDE or windows is a good example.
'flamebait'? I don't get it.
good to know, thanks.
I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but it seems likely that 32k is far below what a station would charge for that kind of service. If it's still a net profit, this is just pointless.
Last time I checked, the gp2x didn't have wifi. That was pretty much the dealbreaker for me. The DS got on my wlan with zero problems, which is more than I can say for most of my linux machines.
"When you flip pages in a book, you go from one page straight to the next. It doesn't "slide", you flip it and that's it."
And that flip takes zero time? Last time I read a book, I could actually see the page being turned.
The problem with this sort of animation is that they're generally not fast enough to be unobtrusive. I don't need a 2-second animation of a page turn, I need a half-second one.
100% agreement.
A lot of the limitations on the UI stems from the hardware we use to talk to the computer. The multitouch stuff is awesome, and if/when we see some hardware support, you'll start to see some very, very interesting new stuff.
As much as I hate 'media' keyboards, if they were just standardized I'd be very happy. I'd love to have several software-configurable scrollwheels and sliders. Universal out-of-the-box support for secondary/tertiary/n-ary small LCD displays would also be nice.
Well, yes. And these guys apparently aren't willing to take that risk, hence the disclaimer.
Whether it's at all effective or enforceable is, of course, a whole different ball of worms, or can of wax, or whatever.
I view their desire to not have the military use their software as a precaution against having their work used in a war they felt was unjust. It's not like they could write a license that says "use of this software in a military context is limited to just and necessary wars."
If I spent a year of my time building something to give to the world, I'd feel pretty shitty if it ended up being used to oppress someone or enable governments to spy on my fellow man. I can understand the motivation, although the callout to the laws of robotics is pretty stupid and/or ironic.
in the jungle, I guess, or wherever the apes are living these days.
oh, jesus christ. I must not have scrolled down the whole way. I feel properly abashed.
I'm sorry you disagree with the generally held view of what a pacifist is, but I'd like to be arguing about the same thing. Your position seems to be that "extremist pacifists who think that violence is never, in any circumstances, justified, are idiots." I'd agree, and further say that "extremist anyones who think that X is [never|always] in any circumstances justified" are also idiots.
"when you say "I am a pacifist" you are saying "I oppose violence/war as a means to political ends. No exceptions."
That's a gross misinterpretation. You might as well claim that a capitalist is someone who objects to governmental interference in the operation of the free market with no exceptions.
Also, I like how you completely ignore the sentence that directly follows the one you quoted:
Pacifism covers a spectrum of views ranging from the belief that international disputes can and should be peacefully resolved, to absolute opposition to the use of violence, or even force, under any circumstances.
because, despite a lot of noise to the contrary, the US is a very, very religious nation.
"I guess I often think of something I heard someone say: "If humans evolved from apes...why are there still apes?"
Maybe you should think a little more.
I can't believe I'm trying to defend America's honor by pointing out that we may still be better than Burma or Pakistan. :(
Likewise, please show me where I said "violence is never the means to any political end."
I am a pacifist, not an idiot. I recognize that sometimes, however regrettable it may be, violence is necessary.