Again, your usage of "diagnosed" seems to indicate a substantial lack of knowledge.
How? (I want a specific reason for it's misuse, not "I prefer differently.")
Yes, the version of the OS is important.
You mean, the OS that it never got around to attempting to load?
Following the Ubuntu installation path here... Edgy (6.10) treats SATA drives slightly differently than Feisty (7.04) does.
Which version of Windows are Edgy and Feisty? Remember, I had already told them the version of Ubuntu. What I had not told them was the version of Windows.
If you are asking a question online, and someone asks you for more information, why would you complain about providing it?
I complain when it's clearly an attempt to blame something that's not at fault, when the problem has already been diagnosed and I have narrowed it down to a specific question for how to solve that particular problem.
If you act like a spoiled jerk on a community-driven forum, stamp your little feet, and absolutely refuse to try any of their troubleshooting ideas or provide them with the information they repeatedly ask for, then they probably won't help you.
Right, I didn't tell them which version of Windows it was. Of course, when it *doesn't even get to the point where it would load an operating system*, that is clearly not necessary. I had already found that the problem was a bootloader and a file associated with it.
Also, if you read the thread, you'll see that when they told me to navigate the directory and enter commands, I told them the results of that and got nothing still.
I did follow all of their advice that was physically possible. (Who recommends burning a CD from a computer that can't load an OS?)
I can't believe that he uses that thread as supporting evidence of why Ubuntu is broken.
I listed four things, none of which had anything to do with my attitude, that had to happen, and did happen, for me to be in my predicament. None of them should have happened. Ubuntu should not have recommended Grub, at least not without explaining the possible consequences. Grub should not freeze when it gets that error. The files should be where there's supposed to be. The commands to diagnose should not fail.
If any one of those had not happened, the install would have gone fine. Think about it.
Wait, was your problem really a faulty hard drive?
No, no, no, no, no. I have used that exact same hard drive without fail *on Windows* since the incident.
Most people who were on that forum or read it, smugly dismissed it as a hard drive problem because I had tried to install a hard drive that *actually was faulty* the week before. This was not the same hard drive. The people that blamed it on a hard drive error were just being idiots.
Now, it may have been a hard drive Ubuntu wasn't prepared for, but the hard drive itself is functioning as designed.
That depends upon what the problem is finally determined to be.
I was referring to problems in asking questions to a forum. When I specifically say "I tried re-installing, several times", and the first response is "Oh, just re-install", who exactly is not doing his part?
Since there is no way anyone else can diagnose your problem,
Oh, no, I already diagnosed my problem:
I have software design standards Ubuntu didn't meet. I wouldn't have HIGHLY RECOMMENDED a product capable of locking you out of your box unless it had gone through rigorous testing.
As for the specific problem with the install, that was diagnosed too: the bootloader screwed up. Once that was clear, I *still* got people who claimed they ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT HELP unless I told them which version of on operating system (that was never accessed) I was using.
1) It was actually Grub error 25 at stage 1.5, not Grub error 1.5. I know there's a website listing Grub errors now, but apparently, at the time, no one knew of it. 2) Yes, I tried navigating the directory by command line (in effect using the install CD as a Live CD), but the files that should have been there weren't there, and none of the commands recommended to fix the problem did anything. 3) Yes, I'm aware of the page that tells you how to ask a question on a forum. But when people recommend doing exactly what I already said I did several times... sorry, problem ain't on my end.
So, to summarize:
1) Ubuntu (HIGHLY) recommends unnecessary bootloader. 2) Bootloader messes up and freezes so I can't debug it there. 3) File that must be fixed can't be accessed from the install CD. 4) Commands to diagnose the problem won't run.
Selling ads specifically on a given video is TV-era thinking. This is the mighty internet tube system, it doesn't work the same way.
Yeah, in the internet era, you blow a bunch of money giving a free video-hosting service to teens and young adults that they use to do share vids with their friends and have no clue how you intend to profit.
Seriously, how long until Google has to cut off this gangrenous arm?
Oh, by the way, I think the counterpart to YouTube is TheyTube, not TheirTube.
HOWEVER, they're the only ones that reliably have the Red Octane Ignition dance pad in stock in my area. (GameStop seems to have quit selling it.) Since it's a large item, when you include the shipping costs, it's about what it would cost online (from any store).
I mean, in your whimsical wonderland I drive a super-loud unmuffled truck that scares children and mothers!
You said from the outset you have a "very loud" diesel engine. You drive your car knowing this. You have revealed indifference to, or probably pride about, the impact of your actions on others. Assumptions in your favor would be unwarranted. The answer to why others act as they do around your vehicle can be found in your nearest mirror.
Ah, good thinking. That's like what I tell my friends who've lost vision, to do with CAPTCHAs: Just have a character-recognition program scan it and then type in the letters it gives you.
Podcasts are great if you're on the go, but why no transcript for the differently-hearing/.ers? I personally hate having to listen, I'd rather just read it.
And now, I'm going to say something really stupid, and I don't quite understand why what I'm about to say is stupid. Here goes:
"He didn't build a domino computer, he just has a domino setup whose results under one interpretation coincide with what a half-adder gives you. It's trivial to build any kind of mechanism that can do this."
E-waste has been a big problem. I like what Microsoft did, with converting their e-trash bins into e-recycle bins. Thought it would be nice, *cough cough* if they made the "bright idea" lightbulb in MS Word a CFL.
You gotta think, we just use and use all these 1's and 0's, but no one realizes that their deletion increases the entropy of the universe.
Well I dunno, you made the comment about the muffler, not me. Clearly you felt it was important, so why don't you explain why you brought it up?
I mentioned, as a parenthetical to someone this indifferent to the impact of his actions on others, that your indifference to the impact of your actions on others, more than likely extended to having an unmuffled engine. If I was wrong, it was because that part of your life is slightly out of your normal character.
Wow, somewhere here you really lost the plot. The point is, I WAS NOT GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND THIS WOMAN YELLED AT ME TO SLOW DOWN. If you are the type of person who assumes someone is speeding because their engine is loud...
No sir, YOU lost the plot. She wanted you to slow down because your car's so damn loud that, whether or not your'e exceeding posted limits, it's that much more intimidating of her and her children.
If she doesn't like vehicles that are louder than her stupid minivan she should write her senator, and so can you.
There are *already* noise ordinances regarding your unmuffled[1] truck. The problem is that the police just aren't empowered to do much when they get a report of an errant, random jerk bragging to the world about how powerful his truck is. So, she did the next best thing and asked you to actually for once in your life be aware of your surroundings and drive slower.
[1]Yeah, yeah, you claim it's muffled. But come on, I'm kinda going out on a limb to believe you're as clueless about your surroundings as you have revealed you are, BUT that you are correctly representing the state of your engine's muffling.
I'm sure many people would have liked to have paid $30 dollars less for a PS3 with no backwards compatibility.
Well, I'm sure many people would have liked to pay $11 more for a Ford Pinto that didn't pose as big a risk of a fiery death, but hey, apparently, you can't please everyone.
So? You agreed its loud. The noise is what's probably bothering them. I know noisy vehicles certainly annoy the hell out of me.
I'm just saying, try to look like you're attempting to imitate someone who acts like he's maintaining a pretense of caring about the impacts of his actions on others. That's all.
You're terminology's a bit imprecise. "Index funds" are not mutually exclusive with "government bonds". There are government-bond index funds. What I think you meant was that you should keep most of your money in stock index funds, and then gradually transition to high-grade bond index funds. Of course (and you didn't specifically contradict this) you should always have some in stocks for the capital growth so as to keep up with inflation.
To rely on a single company that relies on the stock market/while in retirement/ seems nuts to me.
Exactly. Unfortunately, that's not as obvious as you might think it is, for most people. Some were raised on a "every big corporation will always reap huge profits" mentality...
The PATRIOT ACT (please use it in caps, as it is an acronym)
And don't forget to capitalize it for Canada's proposed law as well, the MOUNTIE (Marshalling Our Unified Nation against Terrorism Immediately, Eh?) Act.
I understand all that, but my question is about free speech specifically. What rights does a "corporate free speech" right include that a "free speech right for all individuals" does not?
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Again, your usage of "diagnosed" seems to indicate a substantial lack of knowledge.
... Edgy (6.10) treats SATA drives slightly differently than Feisty (7.04) does.
How? (I want a specific reason for it's misuse, not "I prefer differently.")
Yes, the version of the OS is important.
You mean, the OS that it never got around to attempting to load?
Following the Ubuntu installation path here
Which version of Windows are Edgy and Feisty? Remember, I had already told them the version of Ubuntu. What I had not told them was the version of Windows.
If you are asking a question online, and someone asks you for more information, why would you complain about providing it?
I complain when it's clearly an attempt to blame something that's not at fault, when the problem has already been diagnosed and I have narrowed it down to a specific question for how to solve that particular problem.
If you act like a spoiled jerk on a community-driven forum, stamp your little feet, and absolutely refuse to try any of their troubleshooting ideas or provide them with the information they repeatedly ask for, then they probably won't help you.
Right, I didn't tell them which version of Windows it was. Of course, when it *doesn't even get to the point where it would load an operating system*, that is clearly not necessary. I had already found that the problem was a bootloader and a file associated with it.
Also, if you read the thread, you'll see that when they told me to navigate the directory and enter commands, I told them the results of that and got nothing still.
I did follow all of their advice that was physically possible. (Who recommends burning a CD from a computer that can't load an OS?)
I can't believe that he uses that thread as supporting evidence of why Ubuntu is broken.
I listed four things, none of which had anything to do with my attitude, that had to happen, and did happen, for me to be in my predicament. None of them should have happened. Ubuntu should not have recommended Grub, at least not without explaining the possible consequences. Grub should not freeze when it gets that error. The files should be where there's supposed to be. The commands to diagnose should not fail.
If any one of those had not happened, the install would have gone fine. Think about it.
Wait, was your problem really a faulty hard drive?
No, no, no, no, no. I have used that exact same hard drive without fail *on Windows* since the incident.
Most people who were on that forum or read it, smugly dismissed it as a hard drive problem because I had tried to install a hard drive that *actually was faulty* the week before. This was not the same hard drive. The people that blamed it on a hard drive error were just being idiots.
Now, it may have been a hard drive Ubuntu wasn't prepared for, but the hard drive itself is functioning as designed.
That depends upon what the problem is finally determined to be.
I was referring to problems in asking questions to a forum. When I specifically say "I tried re-installing, several times", and the first response is "Oh, just re-install", who exactly is not doing his part?
Since there is no way anyone else can diagnose your problem,
Oh, no, I already diagnosed my problem:
I have software design standards Ubuntu didn't meet. I wouldn't have HIGHLY RECOMMENDED a product capable of locking you out of your box unless it had gone through rigorous testing.
As for the specific problem with the install, that was diagnosed too: the bootloader screwed up. Once that was clear, I *still* got people who claimed they ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT HELP unless I told them which version of on operating system (that was never accessed) I was using.
Here's my experience trying to switch to Ubuntu.
... sorry, problem ain't on my end.
Important clarifications:
1) It was actually Grub error 25 at stage 1.5, not Grub error 1.5. I know there's a website listing Grub errors now, but apparently, at the time, no one knew of it.
2) Yes, I tried navigating the directory by command line (in effect using the install CD as a Live CD), but the files that should have been there weren't there, and none of the commands recommended to fix the problem did anything.
3) Yes, I'm aware of the page that tells you how to ask a question on a forum. But when people recommend doing exactly what I already said I did several times
So, to summarize:
1) Ubuntu (HIGHLY) recommends unnecessary bootloader.
2) Bootloader messes up and freezes so I can't debug it there.
3) File that must be fixed can't be accessed from the install CD.
4) Commands to diagnose the problem won't run.
Selling ads specifically on a given video is TV-era thinking. This is the mighty internet tube system, it doesn't work the same way.
Yeah, in the internet era, you blow a bunch of money giving a free video-hosting service to teens and young adults that they use to do share vids with their friends and have no clue how you intend to profit.
Seriously, how long until Google has to cut off this gangrenous arm?
Oh, by the way, I think the counterpart to YouTube is TheyTube, not TheirTube.
I have a line I came up with on the spur of the moment when some religious people came to my door...
"I'm sorry, but I'm quite secure in my lack of faith."
Left them totally stunned
You mean, they weren't quick-witted enough to say:
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
omg omg omg like mehbeh teh AC wuz teh Larry Sanger and Larry wuz tryin to make a point about not havin creds lol I c wut u did thar!
I thought the rich guy who wanted to pay NASA $20 million to fly with them was bringing in interest, but I guess he's not good enough.
I hate Best Buy, to be honest.
I pity those who buy stuff there.
HOWEVER, they're the only ones that reliably have the Red Octane Ignition dance pad in stock in my area. (GameStop seems to have quit selling it.) Since it's a large item, when you include the shipping costs, it's about what it would cost online (from any store).
I mean, in your whimsical wonderland I drive a super-loud unmuffled truck that scares children and mothers!
You said from the outset you have a "very loud" diesel engine. You drive your car knowing this. You have revealed indifference to, or probably pride about, the impact of your actions on others. Assumptions in your favor would be unwarranted. The answer to why others act as they do around your vehicle can be found in your nearest mirror.
I just wanted to give a big thanks to taggers for not putting the "sharks" tag on a laser-related article. At least, not yet anyway.
Ah, good thinking. That's like what I tell my friends who've lost vision, to do with CAPTCHAs: Just have a character-recognition program scan it and then type in the letters it gives you.
Podcasts are great if you're on the go, but why no transcript for the differently-hearing /.ers? I personally hate having to listen, I'd rather just read it.
And now, I'm going to say something really stupid, and I don't quite understand why what I'm about to say is stupid. Here goes:
"He didn't build a domino computer, he just has a domino setup whose results under one interpretation coincide with what a half-adder gives you. It's trivial to build any kind of mechanism that can do this."
Now, rhetorically bitch-slap me.
Or, to generalize Franklin's Law:
n people can keep a secret only if n - 1 are dead.
E-waste has been a big problem. I like what Microsoft did, with converting their e-trash bins into e-recycle bins. Thought it would be nice, *cough cough* if they made the "bright idea" lightbulb in MS Word a CFL.
You gotta think, we just use and use all these 1's and 0's, but no one realizes that their deletion increases the entropy of the universe.
Well I dunno, you made the comment about the muffler, not me. Clearly you felt it was important, so why don't you explain why you brought it up?
...
I mentioned, as a parenthetical to someone this indifferent to the impact of his actions on others, that your indifference to the impact of your actions on others, more than likely extended to having an unmuffled engine. If I was wrong, it was because that part of your life is slightly out of your normal character.
Wow, somewhere here you really lost the plot. The point is, I WAS NOT GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND THIS WOMAN YELLED AT ME TO SLOW DOWN. If you are the type of person who assumes someone is speeding because their engine is loud
No sir, YOU lost the plot. She wanted you to slow down because your car's so damn loud that, whether or not your'e exceeding posted limits, it's that much more intimidating of her and her children.
If she doesn't like vehicles that are louder than her stupid minivan she should write her senator, and so can you.
There are *already* noise ordinances regarding your unmuffled[1] truck. The problem is that the police just aren't empowered to do much when they get a report of an errant, random jerk bragging to the world about how powerful his truck is. So, she did the next best thing and asked you to actually for once in your life be aware of your surroundings and drive slower.
[1]Yeah, yeah, you claim it's muffled. But come on, I'm kinda going out on a limb to believe you're as clueless about your surroundings as you have revealed you are, BUT that you are correctly representing the state of your engine's muffling.
I'm sure many people would have liked to have paid $30 dollars less for a PS3 with no backwards compatibility.
Well, I'm sure many people would have liked to pay $11 more for a Ford Pinto that didn't pose as big a risk of a fiery death, but hey, apparently, you can't please everyone.
Uh, it's not unmuffled.
So? You agreed its loud. The noise is what's probably bothering them. I know noisy vehicles certainly annoy the hell out of me.
I'm just saying, try to look like you're attempting to imitate someone who acts like he's maintaining a pretense of caring about the impacts of his actions on others. That's all.
You're terminology's a bit imprecise. "Index funds" are not mutually exclusive with "government bonds". There are government-bond index funds. What I think you meant was that you should keep most of your money in stock index funds, and then gradually transition to high-grade bond index funds. Of course (and you didn't specifically contradict this) you should always have some in stocks for the capital growth so as to keep up with inflation.
/while in retirement/ seems nuts to me.
To rely on a single company that relies on the stock market
Exactly. Unfortunately, that's not as obvious as you might think it is, for most people. Some were raised on a "every big corporation will always reap huge profits" mentality...
Is it really being forced to turn left against its will, or does the pigeon experience it as a sudden desire to turn left?
Were you forced to make that post against your will, or did you feel a sudden desire to post tenuously-connected comments?
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The PATRIOT ACT (please use it in caps, as it is an acronym)
And don't forget to capitalize it for Canada's proposed law as well, the MOUNTIE (Marshalling Our Unified Nation against Terrorism Immediately, Eh?) Act.
I understand all that, but my question is about free speech specifically. What rights does a "corporate free speech" right include that a "free speech right for all individuals" does not?
Glad to help :-) Sorry if I seemed rude, I was going for dramatic, but it doesn't always carry through in ascii.