'acknowledge the existance of the movie in there'? They canonized the movie finally. The fun thing is that the 'war doctor' disrupted 2 things. The numbering sequences (smith is 12 now) and the fact that if Hurt regenerated into Ecclecton then Ecclecton spent 400 yrs of wandering before he met Rose.
What?! They're aren't Hobbits 6000 yrs ago during the war of the ring? Then how do you explain news.discovery.com/human/evolution/new-fossils-hobbit-face-13010.htm ?
Let's see: unpaid work, check. No breaks, check. Verbal abuse, check. Laws re-constructed in an effort to make it difficult to change jobs, check
We're just one law change away.
In your state maybe. Thats because you allowed this. This 'I don't want to vote because...' an excellent law would be one that ties your paycheck to your voting record. Those that don't vote don't get raises or get paid less that those who do. Sounds authoritarian and evil. It is. However, its the only way we would actually get rid of the garbage in Washington. You know in Australia, you are fined if you don't vote. Even better if you are repeatedly fined, you lose certain abilities in the public life. Why? Because they know you won't vote so they can take them.
Lack of willingness to vote and change your life, has caused this. Remember.
Dinosaur bones, Roman villas... can someone tell me why aren't we printing 3D boobs yet?
Get with the program, science!
Umm, they are. Its just they are attached to 3d bodies of the real dolls.
What I want to know is why is the first post an attack on the health care website. At this point, it will fail. 27,000? Yes, thats a death spiral. We will be worse off in 2016 but may this be a lesson that the policies of yesteryear don't work. We cannot force people to pay for what they don't want. Yes we have an obligation to help everyone. So yes health care will continue to be like it was. SMH
I make a point once a year of reading something that falls outside the spectrum of "the stuff I would normally read". Exposure to other perspectives and all of that.
This year's choice was Atlas Shrugged.
Yes, some of the criticisms of Rand and her philosophy are justified. Yes, as a novel rather than a political tract, it doesn't hang together particularly well. Yes, she really, really doesn't understand the specific economics of the railway (I spent 5 years working in that field). But it's also a much smarter book than a lot of people give it credit for, with many elements of its central thesis that are incredibly hard (if not impossible) to refute.
And yes, Latin America features in it quite prominently, with the People's Republics there getting up to things exactly like this. This is an instance where there really are rather fewer shades of grey than you might normally expect.
And on a side note, last year's something-I-wouldn't-normally-read project was the Left Behind series (apocalyptic evangelical fiction). That was pretty much the polar opposite of Atlas Shrugged - disturbingly readable as entertainment (and downright fun at times) but with a fairly terrifying intellectual vacuum at its heart.
I am curious did you read the entire series? Those who wrote it believe that is what the future holds.
companies that are dumping all their clients due to ObamaCare will be forced to continue selling their current plans.
FORCED?
Are you daft?
The insurance companies would be happy to do just that, and their customers would be happy to buy them just like they did before.
There is no FORCE involved in allowing these plans to be sold.
It was the ObamaCare rules made these plans illegal.
You seem to have a major misunderstanding of what is going on, and just how big a helping of half baked Crow Pie Feinstein is being forced to eat when she introduced her bill.
which again makes me smile as it is immovable object fighting irresistible force for the spot beneath the object.
Ms. Feinstein lives in a fairy land where fairness is King. I expect any day for her to try to repeal the law of gravity because it's not fair that some people are heavier than others.
So when she came out complaining about how ACA isn't working right I celebrated. It means the death spiral has begun.
What's funny is the ones who say communism is a good idea that just hasn't been done right never really pay attention to the times it has been done exactly according to plan and still failed anyways.
Communism works just fine on a small scale, where everyone involved can see all the "ability"s and "need"s. It's a good bet, for example, that your immediate family operates on communist principles.
Nope. My runs on credit which is a form of capitalism. Most run or either than or barter.
Kibbutzes still exist, they create wealth, and their people are free to live their lives as they wish.
I'm fine with any of the criteria you suggest. Any reasonable criteria, really.
By any reasonable criteria, kibbutzes are successful.
as collective enterprises within a free market system. which isn't communism. If you actually read the article you love to post you would see than none of the founders and current runners were ever communist. as a matter of fact Marx and Engels hated the idea. GO READ THE ARTICLE.
Ah, this again.
Counterexample.
Again, a Israeli Kibbutz is not an example of communism, period. It is an example of a company town that is employee owned. You love to quote it, so here is a quote from the page.
Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism. In recent decades, some kibbutzim have been privatized and changes have been made in the communal lifestyle.
Socialism isn't communism
Oh look. Hundreds of instances of communism. Successful instances.
BS,
Kibbutz members were not classic Marxists though their system partially resembled Communism. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels both shared a disdain for conventional formulations of the nation-state and Leninists were hostile to Zionism. Nevertheless, in the late 1930s, two kibbutz leaders, Tabenkin and Yaari, initially attracted to anarchist ideas, pushed their movements leftward to reverence of Stalin's dictatorship. Soon Stalin became hostile to Israel as it served Soviet diplomatic and military interests in the Arab world. This caused major crises and mass exit in both Kibbutz Meuchad and Kibbutz Artzi kibbutzim, especially after the 1953 Doctors' Plot in Moscow and the Prague showcase Trials. Kibbutzim were run as collective enterprises within a free market system. Kibbutzim also practiced active democracy, with elections held for kibbutz functions and full participation in national elections.
NO. Its laughable that you actually think a Israel commune is communistic. Its not. Its actually a company town owned by the employees.
A kibbutz (Hebrew: / , lit. "gathering, clustering"; plural kibbutzim) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. The first kibbutz, established in 1909, was Degania.[1] Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[2] Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism. In recent decades, some kibbutzim have been privatized and changes have been made in the communal lifestyle. A member of a kibbutz is called a kibbutznik (Hebrew: ).
In 2010, there were 270 kibbutzim in Israel. Their factories and farms account for 9% of Israel’s industrial output, worth US$8 billion, and 40% of its agricultural output, worth over $1.7 billion.[3] Some Kibbutzes had also developed substantial high-tech and military industries. For example, in 2010, Kibbutz Sasa, containing some 200 members, generated $850 million in annual revenue from its military-plastics industry.[4]
Please, give an example or two.
Somalia and Zimbabwe
No and No,
n antiquity, Somalia was an important centre for commerce with the rest of the ancient world,[11][12] and according to most scholars,[13][14] it is among the most probable locations of the fabled ancient Land of Punt.[15][16] During the Middle Ages, several powerful Somali empires dominated the regional trade, including the Ajuuraan State, the Adal Sultanate, the Warsangali Sultanate and the Geledi Sultanate. In the late nineteenth century, through a succession of treaties with these kingdoms, the British and Italians gained control of parts of the coast, and established British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland.[17][18] In the interior, Muhammad Abdullah Hassan's Dervish State successfully repelled the British Empire four times and forced it to retreat to the coastal region,[19] but the Dervishes were finally defeated in 1920 by British airpower.[20] Italy acquired full control of the northeastern and southern parts of the territory after successfully waging a Campaign of the Sultanates against the ruling Majeerteen Sultanate and Sultanate of Hobyo.[18] This occupation lasted until 1941, when it was replaced by a British military administration. Northern Somalia would remain a protectorate, while southern Somalia by agreement became a United Nations Trusteeship in 1949. In 1960, the two regions united as planned to form the independent Somali Republic under a civilian government.[21] Mohamed Siad Barre seized power in 1969 and established the Somali Democratic Republic. In 1991, Barre's government collapsed as the Somali Civil War broke out.
In the absence of a central government, Somalia's residents reverted to local forms of conflict resolution, consisting of civil law, religious law and customary law. A few autonomous regions, including the Somaliland, Puntland and Galmudug administrations, emerged in the north in the ensuing process of decentralization. The early 2000s saw the creation of fledgling interim federal administrations. The Transitional National Government (TNG) was established in 2000 followed by the formation of its successor the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) in 2004, which reestablished national institutions such as the Military of Somalia.[3][3][22] In 2006, the TFG, assisted by Ethiopian troops, assumed control of most of the nation's southern conflict zones from the newly formed Islamic Courts Union (ICU). The ICU subsequently splintered into more radical groups such as Al-Shabaab, which battled the TFG and its AMISOM allies for control of the region,[3] with the insurgents losing most of the territory
Somalia was communist. Haiti was communist. African countries were and are communist. Certainly none of them were capitalist.
Being a liberal means never owning the past failures of your desired policies. Disgusting, really.
Somalia was tribalistic. Never Communist. Look at your history. Haiti was never even close. It was a dictatorship. Now its anarchy with shades of tribalism and oligrachy. ALL African countries are either Muslim oligarchies, democracies, tribal dictatorships or tribalism. None ever have or are communistic. READ YOUR HISTORY.
No, actually it isn't. See China's decision to allow churchs to help with poverity, health care and other basic functions because the government can't cover everyone.
There are many places as well where capitalism has failed miserably and resulted in anarchy as well.
Please, give an example or two.
Spectacular failures are Somalia, Hailti and many African countries. Slow failures: Shah era Iran, India and the third world.
Somalia, Hailti and many African countries were capitalist to begin with. They were all dictatorships, monarchies and Oligarchies. All those will have a socialistic economy because the ruler or rulers want control of every aspect of the market including the currency. Somalia is still in tribalism. Haiti is anarchy and tribalism even if it looks like an democracy. You can call the permanent leader president all you want but if he leads for more than 8 yrs he's not a democratically elected leader.
As for Iran: stop trying to build nukes for the purpose of destroying neighboring countries and sanctions would vanish. India has no problems with the economy,. There is no 'third world' anymore.
The recent success of China would say communism can work though their approach is to use a combination of free market and state ownership not for a political fantasy philosophy but economic metrics.
They don't do communism any more.
If China doesn't do communism anymore, then we don't do capitalism anymore.
SMH You are a fool aren't you.
Even if the Chinese implement more free market policies and we let our government grow bigger and reach the same portion of government size, we will call ourselves capitalists and China communists.
Rhetoric doesn't match reality. Film at 11. I have this vague suspicion that what you consider "capitalist" societies won't end up being such.
We now call it socialism and remark at how awesome Sweden, Norway, Canada are. Even we don't want to be capitalists. Capitalists will let someone die because they don't have good enough health insurance and capitalism creates 1%ers and 99%ers.
Ah more OWS garbage. Communists will let someone die just as easy. My father was born in East Germany. I had the pleasure to witness it first hand in 1980. It looked like 1930s had froze there. As for sweden and Norway, Texas has a larger population than them. Their stuff doens't work either but they seem to be happy about that so nothing changes. Canada is very much capitalistic it just socialized their medicine. Nothing like a six month wait for life saving care.
China isn't communist anymore its an Oligarchy now. Capitalism doesn't fail, it just stops.Communist and socialism do fail because they are against the grain of how we function. We all want stuff and comfortable lives.
Do yourself a favor and look up "filter bubble". That's when you're getting your information only from sources that confirm your existing opinion, because you tend to pick those from the plethora of sorces available nowadays. If you ignore new ideas on purpose, it's usually called ignorance.
Or Al Sharpton or the president or the Congress or Nancy Grace etc
Indeed. If they don't leave you any other options, there's nothing hypocritical about receiving something from the government while arguing to change the paradigm.
Personally, I see it as the only way to change things at this point. By having as many people as possible bleed social services dry, there might come a time when it is not possible to sustain the system without making rational, positive changes to it.
That worked really well for Weinmer germany and the Roman empire in 400 AD didn't it?
The saddest part of all is with this government, I would support a government take over of Best Buy if it got me free stuff. It would lead to the removal of them so I would love for Best buy to be the sacrificial lamb.
That is where you are wrong. Go do your research in the how many of the current greatest authors of all time got paid in their lifetime for their great works. Most didn't or got pennies. The problem is greed. RIAA etc created that creation leads to explosive wealth, lavish lifestyles and f*** the man attitude. Its not truth. Without copyright we would be back to where we were before the invention of it in the 1700s, creating it for the love of it. Then those who are truely talented would be making it and only them.
Thats a far better world to live in.
I do believe that was solved during day of the doctor.
'acknowledge the existance of the movie in there'? They canonized the movie finally. The fun thing is that the 'war doctor' disrupted 2 things. The numbering sequences (smith is 12 now) and the fact that if Hurt regenerated into Ecclecton then Ecclecton spent 400 yrs of wandering before he met Rose.
What?! They're aren't Hobbits 6000 yrs ago during the war of the ring? Then how do you explain news.discovery.com/human/evolution/new-fossils-hobbit-face-13010.htm ?
Hey, let's mutate the shit out of our food. What could possibly go wrong?
Zombie apocolypse
Democrats have NEVER supported the middle class. Please don't vote for the 'asses' again. Vote for something else. And please vote.
Because they are actually rebuilding it with a 3d cad machine out of plastics?
Sure, it can recreate an ancient villa, but can it run Crysis?
of course considering the age of Crysis now. my net-book can run Crysis. So can we kill this meem?
Let's see: unpaid work, check. No breaks, check. Verbal abuse, check. Laws re-constructed in an effort to make it difficult to change jobs, check
We're just one law change away.
In your state maybe. Thats because you allowed this. This 'I don't want to vote because...' an excellent law would be one that ties your paycheck to your voting record. Those that don't vote don't get raises or get paid less that those who do. Sounds authoritarian and evil. It is. However, its the only way we would actually get rid of the garbage in Washington. You know in Australia, you are fined if you don't vote. Even better if you are repeatedly fined, you lose certain abilities in the public life. Why? Because they know you won't vote so they can take them. Lack of willingness to vote and change your life, has caused this. Remember.
Dinosaur bones, Roman villas... can someone tell me why aren't we printing 3D boobs yet?
Get with the program, science!
Umm, they are. Its just they are attached to 3d bodies of the real dolls. What I want to know is why is the first post an attack on the health care website. At this point, it will fail. 27,000? Yes, thats a death spiral. We will be worse off in 2016 but may this be a lesson that the policies of yesteryear don't work. We cannot force people to pay for what they don't want. Yes we have an obligation to help everyone. So yes health care will continue to be like it was. SMH
I make a point once a year of reading something that falls outside the spectrum of "the stuff I would normally read". Exposure to other perspectives and all of that.
This year's choice was Atlas Shrugged.
Yes, some of the criticisms of Rand and her philosophy are justified. Yes, as a novel rather than a political tract, it doesn't hang together particularly well. Yes, she really, really doesn't understand the specific economics of the railway (I spent 5 years working in that field). But it's also a much smarter book than a lot of people give it credit for, with many elements of its central thesis that are incredibly hard (if not impossible) to refute.
And yes, Latin America features in it quite prominently, with the People's Republics there getting up to things exactly like this. This is an instance where there really are rather fewer shades of grey than you might normally expect.
And on a side note, last year's something-I-wouldn't-normally-read project was the Left Behind series (apocalyptic evangelical fiction). That was pretty much the polar opposite of Atlas Shrugged - disturbingly readable as entertainment (and downright fun at times) but with a fairly terrifying intellectual vacuum at its heart.
I am curious did you read the entire series? Those who wrote it believe that is what the future holds.
companies that are dumping all their clients due to ObamaCare will be forced to continue selling their current plans.
FORCED? Are you daft?
The insurance companies would be happy to do just that, and their customers would be happy to buy them just like they did before. There is no FORCE involved in allowing these plans to be sold.
It was the ObamaCare rules made these plans illegal.
You seem to have a major misunderstanding of what is going on, and just how big a helping of half baked Crow Pie Feinstein is being forced to eat when she introduced her bill.
which again makes me smile as it is immovable object fighting irresistible force for the spot beneath the object.
Ms. Feinstein lives in a fairy land where fairness is King. I expect any day for her to try to repeal the law of gravity because it's not fair that some people are heavier than others.
So when she came out complaining about how ACA isn't working right I celebrated. It means the death spiral has begun.
Communism works just fine on a small scale, where everyone involved can see all the "ability"s and "need"s. It's a good bet, for example, that your immediate family operates on communist principles.
Nope. My runs on credit which is a form of capitalism. Most run or either than or barter.
Kibbutzes still exist, they create wealth, and their people are free to live their lives as they wish. I'm fine with any of the criteria you suggest. Any reasonable criteria, really. By any reasonable criteria, kibbutzes are successful.
as collective enterprises within a free market system. which isn't communism. If you actually read the article you love to post you would see than none of the founders and current runners were ever communist. as a matter of fact Marx and Engels hated the idea. GO READ THE ARTICLE.
Ah, this again. Counterexample. Again, a Israeli Kibbutz is not an example of communism, period. It is an example of a company town that is employee owned. You love to quote it, so here is a quote from the page.
Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism. In recent decades, some kibbutzim have been privatized and changes have been made in the communal lifestyle.
Socialism isn't communism Oh look. Hundreds of instances of communism. Successful instances.
BS, Kibbutz members were not classic Marxists though their system partially resembled Communism. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels both shared a disdain for conventional formulations of the nation-state and Leninists were hostile to Zionism. Nevertheless, in the late 1930s, two kibbutz leaders, Tabenkin and Yaari, initially attracted to anarchist ideas, pushed their movements leftward to reverence of Stalin's dictatorship. Soon Stalin became hostile to Israel as it served Soviet diplomatic and military interests in the Arab world. This caused major crises and mass exit in both Kibbutz Meuchad and Kibbutz Artzi kibbutzim, especially after the 1953 Doctors' Plot in Moscow and the Prague showcase Trials. Kibbutzim were run as collective enterprises within a free market system. Kibbutzim also practiced active democracy, with elections held for kibbutz functions and full participation in national elections.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
The implementation of communism has never worked.
false
NO. Its laughable that you actually think a Israel commune is communistic. Its not. Its actually a company town owned by the employees.
A kibbutz (Hebrew: / , lit. "gathering, clustering"; plural kibbutzim) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. The first kibbutz, established in 1909, was Degania.[1] Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[2] Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism. In recent decades, some kibbutzim have been privatized and changes have been made in the communal lifestyle. A member of a kibbutz is called a kibbutznik (Hebrew: ). In 2010, there were 270 kibbutzim in Israel. Their factories and farms account for 9% of Israel’s industrial output, worth US$8 billion, and 40% of its agricultural output, worth over $1.7 billion.[3] Some Kibbutzes had also developed substantial high-tech and military industries. For example, in 2010, Kibbutz Sasa, containing some 200 members, generated $850 million in annual revenue from its military-plastics industry.[4]
Please, give an example or two.
Somalia and Zimbabwe
No and No,
n antiquity, Somalia was an important centre for commerce with the rest of the ancient world,[11][12] and according to most scholars,[13][14] it is among the most probable locations of the fabled ancient Land of Punt.[15][16] During the Middle Ages, several powerful Somali empires dominated the regional trade, including the Ajuuraan State, the Adal Sultanate, the Warsangali Sultanate and the Geledi Sultanate. In the late nineteenth century, through a succession of treaties with these kingdoms, the British and Italians gained control of parts of the coast, and established British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland.[17][18] In the interior, Muhammad Abdullah Hassan's Dervish State successfully repelled the British Empire four times and forced it to retreat to the coastal region,[19] but the Dervishes were finally defeated in 1920 by British airpower.[20] Italy acquired full control of the northeastern and southern parts of the territory after successfully waging a Campaign of the Sultanates against the ruling Majeerteen Sultanate and Sultanate of Hobyo.[18] This occupation lasted until 1941, when it was replaced by a British military administration. Northern Somalia would remain a protectorate, while southern Somalia by agreement became a United Nations Trusteeship in 1949. In 1960, the two regions united as planned to form the independent Somali Republic under a civilian government.[21] Mohamed Siad Barre seized power in 1969 and established the Somali Democratic Republic. In 1991, Barre's government collapsed as the Somali Civil War broke out. In the absence of a central government , Somalia's residents reverted to local forms of conflict resolution, consisting of civil law, religious law and customary law. A few autonomous regions, including the Somaliland, Puntland and Galmudug administrations, emerged in the north in the ensuing process of decentralization. The early 2000s saw the creation of fledgling interim federal administrations. The Transitional National Government (TNG) was established in 2000 followed by the formation of its successor the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) in 2004, which reestablished national institutions such as the Military of Somalia.[3][3][22] In 2006, the TFG, assisted by Ethiopian troops, assumed control of most of the nation's southern conflict zones from the newly formed Islamic Courts Union (ICU). The ICU subsequently splintered into more radical groups such as Al-Shabaab, which battled the TFG and its AMISOM allies for control of the region,[3] with the insurgents losing most of the territory
Somalia was communist. Haiti was communist. African countries were and are communist. Certainly none of them were capitalist. Being a liberal means never owning the past failures of your desired policies. Disgusting, really.
Somalia was tribalistic. Never Communist. Look at your history. Haiti was never even close. It was a dictatorship. Now its anarchy with shades of tribalism and oligrachy. ALL African countries are either Muslim oligarchies, democracies, tribal dictatorships or tribalism. None ever have or are communistic. READ YOUR HISTORY.
It is not the philosophy but the implementation.
The implementation of communism has never worked.
Working for China right now
No, actually it isn't. See China's decision to allow churchs to help with poverity, health care and other basic functions because the government can't cover everyone.
There are many places as well where capitalism has failed miserably and resulted in anarchy as well.
Please, give an example or two.
Spectacular failures are Somalia, Hailti and many African countries. Slow failures: Shah era Iran, India and the third world.
Somalia, Hailti and many African countries were capitalist to begin with. They were all dictatorships, monarchies and Oligarchies. All those will have a socialistic economy because the ruler or rulers want control of every aspect of the market including the currency. Somalia is still in tribalism. Haiti is anarchy and tribalism even if it looks like an democracy. You can call the permanent leader president all you want but if he leads for more than 8 yrs he's not a democratically elected leader. As for Iran: stop trying to build nukes for the purpose of destroying neighboring countries and sanctions would vanish. India has no problems with the economy,. There is no 'third world' anymore.
The recent success of China would say communism can work though their approach is to use a combination of free market and state ownership not for a political fantasy philosophy but economic metrics.
They don't do communism any more.
If China doesn't do communism anymore, then we don't do capitalism anymore.
SMH You are a fool aren't you.
Even if the Chinese implement more free market policies and we let our government grow bigger and reach the same portion of government size, we will call ourselves capitalists and China communists.
Rhetoric doesn't match reality. Film at 11. I have this vague suspicion that what you consider "capitalist" societies won't end up being such.
We now call it socialism and remark at how awesome Sweden, Norway, Canada are. Even we don't want to be capitalists. Capitalists will let someone die because they don't have good enough health insurance and capitalism creates 1%ers and 99%ers.
Ah more OWS garbage. Communists will let someone die just as easy. My father was born in East Germany. I had the pleasure to witness it first hand in 1980. It looked like 1930s had froze there. As for sweden and Norway, Texas has a larger population than them. Their stuff doens't work either but they seem to be happy about that so nothing changes. Canada is very much capitalistic it just socialized their medicine. Nothing like a six month wait for life saving care.
China isn't communist anymore its an Oligarchy now. Capitalism doesn't fail, it just stops.Communist and socialism do fail because they are against the grain of how we function. We all want stuff and comfortable lives.
Do yourself a favor and look up "filter bubble". That's when you're getting your information only from sources that confirm your existing opinion, because you tend to pick those from the plethora of sorces available nowadays. If you ignore new ideas on purpose, it's usually called ignorance.
Or Al Sharpton or the president or the Congress or Nancy Grace etc
Liberations are the problem. The progressives are.
Indeed. If they don't leave you any other options, there's nothing hypocritical about receiving something from the government while arguing to change the paradigm.
Personally, I see it as the only way to change things at this point. By having as many people as possible bleed social services dry, there might come a time when it is not possible to sustain the system without making rational, positive changes to it.
That worked really well for Weinmer germany and the Roman empire in 400 AD didn't it?
The saddest part of all is with this government, I would support a government take over of Best Buy if it got me free stuff. It would lead to the removal of them so I would love for Best buy to be the sacrificial lamb.
That is where you are wrong. Go do your research in the how many of the current greatest authors of all time got paid in their lifetime for their great works. Most didn't or got pennies. The problem is greed. RIAA etc created that creation leads to explosive wealth, lavish lifestyles and f*** the man attitude. Its not truth. Without copyright we would be back to where we were before the invention of it in the 1700s, creating it for the love of it. Then those who are truely talented would be making it and only them. Thats a far better world to live in.