This is completely a legitimate function of science, to identify causality of phenomenon. Why is it outside the scope of science? If we can use science to unlock the function and meaning of our own bodies and their components, why can't we apply the same sort of discovery to our entire planet? Why is examining bacteria bound by one rule, but examining our very existence and nature bound by others?
I agree that determining causality is legitimate function of science. I never meant to imply that we cannot apply this to any and all parts of the universe.
There is a subtle difference between asking "How was the earth created?" and "Why was the earth created?". The first question can (in theory) be answered by science, while the second falls in the realm of religion or philosophy. Short of God scheduling a press conference about his motivations, we can't even begin to address "why" through scientific methods.
The other question, "Who created the earth?" is something no human can answer (without reliance on "personal beliefs") because none of us were there.
I don't mean to knock science. It has been crucial in the development of human society and is certain to remain so in the future, but to think that "Science can answer any question" is a complete misunderstanding of what it can (and should) be used for.
You have made the flawed assumption that God is bound by the laws of physics. A creationist would counter "God can do anything, regardless of what science says is possible."
I think you have made the flawed assumption that all creationists believe the bible is literal truth. I think the key points of CodeShark's argument are:
A belief that the laws of physics are immutable by anyone (including God) makes a literal interpretation of the time periods explained in Genesis impossible.
It outside the scope of science to determine the "Who?" and "Why?" of the origin of Earth and the origin of life.
There is no inherent conflict in believing that "an Almighty Being" created Earth and life within the laws of physics.
Thus the joke about the cockroach being the next master of earth in case the A,H and other 1 letter bomb start to fall ?
The F-bomb?
As the level of F-bomb use increases, each subsequent generation becomes more tolerant of its use and use it themselves with ever-increasing frequency. (Have you been inside a high school recently?)
Have you ever tried to load a 2K program on an abacus?
That sounds difficult. If we're talking the traditional Chinese abacus, the beads on each rod can represent numbers 0-15. That means you need two rods to represent a byte. So... 2 rods * 2048 bytes = 4096 rods necessary to hold 2K worth of data.
It's been about 10 years (since I last used BASIC) for me as well. I'm not sure how long before that I last wrote code that required line numbers, so that's probably why I didn't think to check line ordering.
My first experiences with BASIC were on an Apple ][c... [grumpy old man voice] In my day we didn't have those snazzy hard drives! A floppy disk should be more than enough storage for anyone!
Then how the hell do they even know this legislation exists? Selective ESP? If they don't monitor any information source that covers this (I doubt it's covered in Nickelodeon Magazine or Astrology Monthly), then what's the point of doing something that is supposed to inform them?
Anyway, if you're profiting from printing "You are a good parent" then that condition is satisfied before the gosub executes... just a reminder, 10 comes before 15.
Re-read your previous post. I read it to mean that you are adding line 15 before all the other code (which goes where you put the "..."). Many BASIC interpreters don't require line numbers and execute the lines of code in the order they appear.
I think a better solution than removing the dupe tage though would have been to prevent people who do not click on any links contained in the text from posting a comment or any feedback. Afterall, what can you possible add to the discussion if you are too lazy to RTFA.
I don't know about that. I don't thing this whole thread about dupes and tags had much to do with the TFA at all. I could make insightful comments on this discussion without reading the headline, let alone the summary, let alone TFA.
OK, maybe I can't make insightful comments, but someone theoretically could.
Does Netscape Navigator 9 include a mail client/HTML composer/newsreader/...?
No. Navigator 9 is a standalone browser; Netscape 7 is the most recent browser suite produced by Netscape.
If I recall correctly, Netscape 7 was based on the Mozilla suite (now known as SeaMonkey) and included those components, and with version 8, they based it on Firefox (which never included mail and composer) and went back to calling it "Navigator".
You'd think that "journalists" might research their stories a little bit.
Hmmm... I'm not sure if you should get "+1, Funny" or "-1, Flamebait".
Sure, AnotherCaptainTux could get "a computer" at a big box store. The point he was making is that he could not get what he wanted (a computer with Linux pre-installed and CompleteCare protection) from Dell's web site. I doubt he could find that particular "configuration" at store either.
The holes shouldn't be there, but nobody is perfect.
I might believe that AnotherCaptainTux is the first person to try to order CompleteCare together with Linux (or at least the first one since a policy change), but I have a hard time believing I am the first person to ever have a "billing failure". This seems like a very obvious hole that is probably causing some customers to give up and go to the competition.
In any case, I don't see why it's so hard to build a catch-all that automatically flags all "pending" orders older than 72 hours for additional scrutiny. Along the same line, if it hasn't been built in 10 days, flag it so someone can figure out why.
People can have prestige due to their actions, but that's not quite the same for objects. Their monetary value is generally the only value they have (other than the owner's personal attachment to the item).
The only exception I can see is "one of a kind" objects. For example, the Command Module from Apollo 11 (Columbia) carries a much greater prestige than one of the CMs they used in unmanned testing even though a truly objective evaluation of their value would find they are roughly equal.
Who wrote Dell's order system? It seems like anything that falls outside the realm of a "typical order" just gets kicked out with no notice to the customer.
A couple years ago, my wife and I ordered new computers for both of us. After a week of nothing, we called to find out the order exceeded some maximum dollar amount so it could not be processed. We had to re-order everything over the phone (listing off all the options while the customer service person keyed it into their system) as two separate orders.
My first question is why would the online system let me place an order that cannot be completed?
The second question is, why wouldn't someone contact me if my order is "stuck"?
OK, so we agree that those four services are "core services" (and should be high-priority), but what "peripheral stuff" do you see local governments "squandering too much money on"? Without some examples, I'm not really sure what you mean.
Actually I'd prefer that they just cut services. Or if they won't do that from the start, then fine, run up the sales tax, drive more sales onto the internet or into neighboring areas, wait for the local economy to collapse, and then cut services. I prefer the former path, but either one works.
Yeah, who needs police, firefighters, parks, schools, etc.? I can get all that from the Internet!
You think senators read slashdot? I find it hard to believe that anyone reads the comments posted here would want to be within a mile of serving in public office.
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I agree that determining causality is legitimate function of science. I never meant to imply that we cannot apply this to any and all parts of the universe.
There is a subtle difference between asking "How was the earth created?" and "Why was the earth created?". The first question can (in theory) be answered by science, while the second falls in the realm of religion or philosophy. Short of God scheduling a press conference about his motivations, we can't even begin to address "why" through scientific methods.
The other question, "Who created the earth?" is something no human can answer (without reliance on "personal beliefs") because none of us were there.
I don't mean to knock science. It has been crucial in the development of human society and is certain to remain so in the future, but to think that "Science can answer any question" is a complete misunderstanding of what it can (and should) be used for.
I think you have made the flawed assumption that all creationists believe the bible is literal truth. I think the key points of CodeShark's argument are:
Sorry, I give you a -1, Predictable
As the level of F-bomb use increases, each subsequent generation becomes more tolerant of its use and use it themselves with ever-increasing frequency. (Have you been inside a high school recently?)
That's evolution for you!
OK, that was easy... the next question is, where do you get a computer that can work on the data stored in an abacus?
That sounds difficult. If we're talking the traditional Chinese abacus, the beads on each rod can represent numbers 0-15. That means you need two rods to represent a byte. So... 2 rods * 2048 bytes = 4096 rods necessary to hold 2K worth of data.
Where do you get an abacus that big?
Tape drives?! What happened to good old punch cards?
(OK, so I never used punch cards... but my father told me some wonderful stories about them!)
It's been about 10 years (since I last used BASIC) for me as well. I'm not sure how long before that I last wrote code that required line numbers, so that's probably why I didn't think to check line ordering.
My first experiences with BASIC were on an Apple ][c... [grumpy old man voice] In my day we didn't have those snazzy hard drives! A floppy disk should be more than enough storage for anyone!
Then how the hell do they even know this legislation exists? Selective ESP? If they don't monitor any information source that covers this (I doubt it's covered in Nickelodeon Magazine or Astrology Monthly), then what's the point of doing something that is supposed to inform them?
Re-read your previous post. I read it to mean that you are adding line 15 before all the other code (which goes where you put the "..."). Many BASIC interpreters don't require line numbers and execute the lines of code in the order they appear.
You can't get to PROFIT before you actually do the job you're supposed to be doing! What are you trying to pull?
Bribery, I would expect...
OK, I could accept the idea that the this is new to the author (and other Linux users)...
Something doesn't add up.
I don't know about that. I don't thing this whole thread about dupes and tags had much to do with the TFA at all. I could make insightful comments on this discussion without reading the headline, let alone the summary, let alone TFA.
OK, maybe I can't make insightful comments, but someone theoretically could.
Didn't Netscape drop mail and composer a while back? Let's see...
From Netscape's Browser FAQ (emphasize is mine):
If I recall correctly, Netscape 7 was based on the Mozilla suite (now known as SeaMonkey) and included those components, and with version 8, they based it on Firefox (which never included mail and composer) and went back to calling it "Navigator".
You'd think that "journalists" might research their stories a little bit.
Hmmm... I'm not sure if you should get "+1, Funny" or "-1, Flamebait".
Sure, AnotherCaptainTux could get "a computer" at a big box store. The point he was making is that he could not get what he wanted (a computer with Linux pre-installed and CompleteCare protection) from Dell's web site. I doubt he could find that particular "configuration" at store either.
I might believe that AnotherCaptainTux is the first person to try to order CompleteCare together with Linux (or at least the first one since a policy change), but I have a hard time believing I am the first person to ever have a "billing failure". This seems like a very obvious hole that is probably causing some customers to give up and go to the competition.
In any case, I don't see why it's so hard to build a catch-all that automatically flags all "pending" orders older than 72 hours for additional scrutiny. Along the same line, if it hasn't been built in 10 days, flag it so someone can figure out why.
People can have prestige due to their actions, but that's not quite the same for objects. Their monetary value is generally the only value they have (other than the owner's personal attachment to the item).
The only exception I can see is "one of a kind" objects. For example, the Command Module from Apollo 11 (Columbia) carries a much greater prestige than one of the CMs they used in unmanned testing even though a truly objective evaluation of their value would find they are roughly equal.
Isn't that always the case?
Who wrote Dell's order system? It seems like anything that falls outside the realm of a "typical order" just gets kicked out with no notice to the customer.
A couple years ago, my wife and I ordered new computers for both of us. After a week of nothing, we called to find out the order exceeded some maximum dollar amount so it could not be processed. We had to re-order everything over the phone (listing off all the options while the customer service person keyed it into their system) as two separate orders.
My first question is why would the online system let me place an order that cannot be completed?
The second question is, why wouldn't someone contact me if my order is "stuck"?
Did you forget about the World's Most Expensive Mp3 Player?
OK, so we agree that those four services are "core services" (and should be high-priority), but what "peripheral stuff" do you see local governments "squandering too much money on"? Without some examples, I'm not really sure what you mean.
Yeah, who needs police, firefighters, parks, schools, etc.? I can get all that from the Internet!
Am I the only one that recognizes that he's quoting Kent Brockman?
You think senators read slashdot? I find it hard to believe that anyone reads the comments posted here would want to be within a mile of serving in public office.