Right, I get that phones get wet and that kills them. That's a no brainer but that doesn't mean every phone needs waterproofing at the expense of other features, many more phones have cracked screens or die from impact drops yet they continue the thinness quest. How many phones have you lost to water damage? For me it's none because I realise my phone is a sensitive electronic device and I take care of it around water sources. Many a laptop have also died from water damage, why aren't they all of a sudden being waterproofed? You act as if there weren't waterproof phones before that people could get if that was an important feature for them, now that apple are doing it it's all of a sudden almost the most vital part.
I had my iPhone 4s ALMOST die from a single well-aimed raindrop that entered through, curiously-enough, the top-mounted 3.5 mm Jack. I immediately shook it out as best as possible; but the phone was all sorts of crazy. I used my car heater to blow warm air into the Jack, and after about 30 terrifying minutes and a reboot, it seemed to recover. Close call. Too close. And if I'd been a Normal, I probably wouldn't have known to act as quickly and correctly as I did, and perhaps that would have been that.
You say that not every phone needs to be waterproof; but I disagree. And when it happens to you, you'll understand.
None is more than adequate for 99% of users and water resistence on an electronic device should not be trusted regardless. In 10 years I've never needed water resistance. There is a reason they make a mint selling suckers protection plans to cover it.
I don't know what you saw, or how you derive your "99%" "statistic"; but it sure seemed like there were some fairly angry Sammy-owners in that forum...
I never needed water-resistance either, until I chanced to dash about 20 feet to my car in a light rain, with my iPhone with top-mounted headphone jack in my top shirt-pocket. One. Frickin'. Raindrop. One!
Yep. Because it has been proven tine and again that, where Apple leads, the others follow. Period. That's not fanboy-ism; that's History Repeating.
Because it only makes sense. That little headphone jack that is apparently the single most important device ever developed in the universe, the device that at least one guy here says he'll go to a dumb phone if he can't have one - well, the headphone jack is a stinking piece of shit that has been around waaay past it's useful lifetime. I've had so many devices rendered useless because of a failure of that part, and have replaced dozens of them over the years.
But please jack lovers, give us some more of your special case stories where having a 3.5 mm phone jack saved the universe. Then we promise to get off your lawns.
What I loved were the people that argued that Apple should just switch to. 2.5 mm Jack. Not only does this not solve the "adapter" "problem"; but if there is anything more intermittent than a 3.5 mm Jack, it's a 2.5 mm Jack! So, spectacular idea!!!
Better hurry on that LG; because their next phone won't have a 3.5 mm Jack, either.
The story made my morning, and of course the phone jack will be going away on everything in the end. Its a failure prone device that has needed replaced for years. I've replaced dozens in items where you can get to them to replace. Bluetooth or for the smartphone audiophile anti-hipsters a wired headphone will suffice in the future.
I don't usually call people hipsters, which is what I'm usually called, but this obsession with the 3.5 mm headphone jack some have is deliciously hipsterish. I can see clubs of people who gather in their gluten free, vegan pubs, drinking their Pabst Blue Ribbon - that's PBR to you unwashed folks, and rhapsodizing how their low oxygen copper wires and their beryllium copper jack connections are providing them with the superior listening experience through their vintage smartphones and Big Lots! headphones. And passing rumors that someone is making an 8-track adapter for their smartphones.
Every time Apple pushes the market forward, there is a great gnashing of teeth. Then everyone follows Apple. This is no different.
You're wrong on both counts. Gasketed connectors are both bulky and failure-prone. Period.
Interesting use of the word "wrong", since you clearly disagree with his statement that making a water-proof USB connector is just as hard as a water-proof audio jack.
Perhaps I was being too hasty, posting from work.
But, as you no doubt know, what I meant was that a 3.5 mm gasketed (o-ring-equipped) connector is more bulky than a non-gasketed 3.5 mm connector, and they have a history of failing over time. PLUS, 3.5 mm connectors are much harder to waterproof than leaf-contact-type connectors, like Lightning or USB, where the backside of the leaf-contacts can simply be sealed with epoxy or other plastic.
But why do they all of a sudden have to be waterproof? Who decided that was a must have feature? Are apple following sony?
No, they're following the "What features would I want on my phone?" research.
A phone is a mobile device. Mobile devices called Smartphines are expensive. mobile devices called Smartphones are absolutely essential to some people. Mobile devices have a hard life. Many mobile devices meet a permanent and premature demise through accidental immersion in water. Therefore, having reasonable water-resistance in a Smartphone Mobile device is undeniably a desirable feature to many people. Seriously, how can you even ask this question?
You didn't just inhale, you drank the bong water afterwards, too, didn't you?
Really? Someone posts a multi-paragraph, paranoia-inspired rant, which I countered with a simple observation regarding their negative world-view, and a slightly-snarky single-sentence comment concerning their possible domicile, and I'M the bad guy?!?
Samsung's Next Flagship Smartphone May Not Be Purchased by Me
I won't buy one either, and I have only ever had Samsung phones. I'm not worried though, there are lots of Android phone model available, and one of them will suit me just fine.
And every stinkin' one that you'll want to buy will be jackless by the next model rev.
I know you really want all manufacturers to make the stupid, selfish decision that your masters made, but reality isn't going to conform to your desires on this occasion. Sorry bud.
I will keep on buying phones with 3.5mm jacks for the foreseeable future, want to fucking bet?
Yep. Because it has been proven tine and again that, where Apple leads, the others follow. Period. That's not fanboy-ism; that's History Repeating.
Maybe the next one; but certainly not the one after that. In fact, when the iPhone 8 comes out with ZERO intrusions through the case, except for a sealed speaker and microphone, and a requisite 50 m water-resistance rating (which the Apple Watch already has), soon all smartphones will be sealed, too.
You're wrong on both counts. Gasketed connectors are both bulky and failure-prone. Period.
Interesting use of the word "wrong", since you clearly disagree with his statement that making a water-proof USB connector is just as hard as a water-proof audio jack.
Perhaps I was being too hasty, posting from work.
But, as you no doubt know, what I meant was that a 3.5 mm gasketed (o-ring-equipped) connector is more bulky than a non-gasketed 3.5 mm connector, and they have a history of failing over time. PLUS, 3.5 mm connectors are much harder to waterproof than leaf-contact-type connectors, like Lightning or USB, where the backside of the leaf-contacts can simply be sealed with epoxy or other plastic.
It seems to me that this is an example of corporations quite clearly forcing consumers into something they don't want. They only way to stop them is to NOT buy these devices.
I have 2 older iPods, a smartphone, a surround sound a/v receiver, CD players, MP3 players, ancient transistor radios, etc., and NONE of them work with USB headphones. All of them work with standard audio jacks. I'm not investing in new headphones, dongles, cables, etc.
Not even when they come for free (just like those 1/4" to 1/8" headphone adapters that have been shipping with many headphones for about the last 20 years?)?
"Why do they keep thinking they need to be thinner?"
They don't (necessarily think that). It's a bullshit marketing excuse for removing a 25 cent part, then selling you something to replace it to make another $5 in profit. Same with the water resistant BS - it's no harder to make a waterproof 3.5 jack than it is to make a waterproof USB one. The concept is identical.
You're wrong on both counts. Gasketed connectors are both bulky and failure-prone. Period.
You don't need a slimmer phone. Samsung and Apple do.
They are purposefully kneecapping their hardware so that they can continue to "improve" the hardware in subsequent revisions, giving people a reason to upgrade (if they built a phone that people actually wanted to the quality you'd expect from a premium device, everyone would have the same phone for 5-10 years and that's bad for business). It's guaranteed Apple will release the 7S (or iPhone 8) and tout the new and improved battery life like it's some sort of miracle.
Likewise, slim devices are subject to more mechanical stress than a fat phone. This too is great for hardware manufactures because it means the phone will more reliably fail once the warranty is expired. Good luck keeping an iPhone 7 around for 5 years (or longer).
It's not about you. It's about planned and forced obsolescence, and nothing else.
What a dark world you must live in. Much like your mother's basement, I'd imagine...
Nuh-uh! Apple will remove all ports on its phone and go wireless only! Because wires are ugly and it takes courage to make leaps!
Don't laugh. With the data rates they can get with their W1 chip and 802.11ac WiFi, all they need is wireless charging and they are there. And guess who has been advertising for wireless charging talent lately?
Samsung's Next Flagship Smartphone May Not Be Purchased by Me
I won't buy one either, and I have only ever had Samsung phones. I'm not worried though, there are lots of Android phone model available, and one of them will suit me just fine.
And every stinkin' one that you'll want to buy will be jackless by the next model rev.
i dunno.. i got a drill.. and.. i just follow that youtube video of how to drill a hole in your iphone7 to uncover the secret headphone jack.. im pretty comfortable drilling a hole in a samsung..
I agree. Hopefully they will ADD a USB port and not just leave us hanging. I would like to see an additional port on the opposite edge of my current charging port. Almost every USB implementation includes 2 available ports and they could utilize the existing boards without having to expand the size. I am also not really actively seeking a phone that is thinner overall, make it smaller to better fit in a pocket and flexible to better withstand the squashing effect.
I like being able to charge my phone AND listen to music. It's not a niche use. Millions of people do it every day. I don't want wireless headphones. At least nail down wireless charging before you jam every possible output/input through one port.
It is as if Samsung wants everyone to abandon them. All of my portable electronics are Samsung but because of non-sense like this along with non-removable batteries and a lack of SD card slots I'll probably be making the jump to LG next time I'm in the market for a new device, but for right now I'm sticking with a Note 4 because, in my opinion, it's the last decent phone in the Galaxy lineup.
Better hurry on that LG; because their next phone won't have a 3.5 mm Jack, either.
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Umm three pages of complaints. Not exactly a groudswell of anger.
Whatchoo wanna bet that I can find similar forums for iphones.
And since you asked, here's a somewhat unscientific (but definitely "real-world") test of the iPhone 7's water-resistance. And here's an semi-scientific (but still quite "real-world") "Deep Water" Test between the S7 and the iPhone 7. Although both phones handily beat their respective IP ratings, wanna guess who won?
Umm three pages of complaints. Not exactly a groudswell of anger.
Whatchoo wanna bet that I can find similar forums for iphones.
Except the ones for iPhones won't be threatening class-action suits based on fraudulent "Water-resistance" claims.
Oh, and that Forum was in ADDITION to several ARTICLES regarding "failed water-resistance" tests. Here's one, for example. And here's another. And here's Samsung's obsufcated response.
Want me to keep going (I can)?
Right, I get that phones get wet and that kills them. That's a no brainer but that doesn't mean every phone needs waterproofing at the expense of other features, many more phones have cracked screens or die from impact drops yet they continue the thinness quest. How many phones have you lost to water damage? For me it's none because I realise my phone is a sensitive electronic device and I take care of it around water sources. Many a laptop have also died from water damage, why aren't they all of a sudden being waterproofed? You act as if there weren't waterproof phones before that people could get if that was an important feature for them, now that apple are doing it it's all of a sudden almost the most vital part.
I had my iPhone 4s ALMOST die from a single well-aimed raindrop that entered through, curiously-enough, the top-mounted 3.5 mm Jack. I immediately shook it out as best as possible; but the phone was all sorts of crazy. I used my car heater to blow warm air into the Jack, and after about 30 terrifying minutes and a reboot, it seemed to recover. Close call. Too close. And if I'd been a Normal, I probably wouldn't have known to act as quickly and correctly as I did, and perhaps that would have been that.
You say that not every phone needs to be waterproof; but I disagree. And when it happens to you, you'll understand.
Did they REALLY think that WOULDN'T happen?!?
As long as they've been in the Social Networking business???
Hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaa!!!!
Now with Unlimited Datamining!
None is more than adequate for 99% of users and water resistence on an electronic device should not be trusted regardless. In 10 years I've never needed water resistance. There is a reason they make a mint selling suckers protection plans to cover it.
I don't know what you saw, or how you derive your "99%" "statistic"; but it sure seemed like there were some fairly angry Sammy-owners in that forum...
I never needed water-resistance either, until I chanced to dash about 20 feet to my car in a light rain, with my iPhone with top-mounted headphone jack in my top shirt-pocket. One. Frickin'. Raindrop. One!
Yep. Because it has been proven tine and again that, where Apple leads, the others follow. Period. That's not fanboy-ism; that's History Repeating.
Because it only makes sense. That little headphone jack that is apparently the single most important device ever developed in the universe, the device that at least one guy here says he'll go to a dumb phone if he can't have one - well, the headphone jack is a stinking piece of shit that has been around waaay past it's useful lifetime. I've had so many devices rendered useless because of a failure of that part, and have replaced dozens of them over the years.
But please jack lovers, give us some more of your special case stories where having a 3.5 mm phone jack saved the universe. Then we promise to get off your lawns.
What I loved were the people that argued that Apple should just switch to. 2.5 mm Jack. Not only does this not solve the "adapter" "problem"; but if there is anything more intermittent than a 3.5 mm Jack, it's a 2.5 mm Jack! So, spectacular idea!!!
Better hurry on that LG; because their next phone won't have a 3.5 mm Jack, either.
The story made my morning, and of course the phone jack will be going away on everything in the end. Its a failure prone device that has needed replaced for years. I've replaced dozens in items where you can get to them to replace. Bluetooth or for the smartphone audiophile anti-hipsters a wired headphone will suffice in the future.
I don't usually call people hipsters, which is what I'm usually called, but this obsession with the 3.5 mm headphone jack some have is deliciously hipsterish. I can see clubs of people who gather in their gluten free, vegan pubs, drinking their Pabst Blue Ribbon - that's PBR to you unwashed folks, and rhapsodizing how their low oxygen copper wires and their beryllium copper jack connections are providing them with the superior listening experience through their vintage smartphones and Big Lots! headphones. And passing rumors that someone is making an 8-track adapter for their smartphones.
Every time Apple pushes the market forward, there is a great gnashing of teeth. Then everyone follows Apple. This is no different.
Samsung already has water resistance that is more than adequate.
That's not what many Samsung owners say.
The irony of you jacking off over Apple making a dildo.
How erudite.
Interesting use of the word "wrong", since you clearly disagree with his statement that making a water-proof USB connector is just as hard as a water-proof audio jack.
Perhaps I was being too hasty, posting from work. But, as you no doubt know, what I meant was that a 3.5 mm gasketed (o-ring-equipped) connector is more bulky than a non-gasketed 3.5 mm connector, and they have a history of failing over time. PLUS, 3.5 mm connectors are much harder to waterproof than leaf-contact-type connectors, like Lightning or USB, where the backside of the leaf-contacts can simply be sealed with epoxy or other plastic.
But why do they all of a sudden have to be waterproof? Who decided that was a must have feature? Are apple following sony?
No, they're following the "What features would I want on my phone?" research.
A phone is a mobile device. Mobile devices called Smartphines are expensive. mobile devices called Smartphones are absolutely essential to some people. Mobile devices have a hard life. Many mobile devices meet a permanent and premature demise through accidental immersion in water. Therefore, having reasonable water-resistance in a Smartphone Mobile device is undeniably a desirable feature to many people. Seriously, how can you even ask this question?
You can be sure that replacement adapters won't come cheap so that's profit for Apple.
Apple is selling replacement adapters for $9. STFU.
You didn't just inhale, you drank the bong water afterwards, too, didn't you?
Really? Someone posts a multi-paragraph, paranoia-inspired rant, which I countered with a simple observation regarding their negative world-view, and a slightly-snarky single-sentence comment concerning their possible domicile, and I'M the bad guy?!?
Samsung's Next Flagship Smartphone May Not Be Purchased by Me
I won't buy one either, and I have only ever had Samsung phones. I'm not worried though, there are lots of Android phone model available, and one of them will suit me just fine.
And every stinkin' one that you'll want to buy will be jackless by the next model rev.
I know you really want all manufacturers to make the stupid, selfish decision that your masters made, but reality isn't going to conform to your desires on this occasion. Sorry bud.
I will keep on buying phones with 3.5mm jacks for the foreseeable future, want to fucking bet?
Yep. Because it has been proven tine and again that, where Apple leads, the others follow. Period. That's not fanboy-ism; that's History Repeating.
It will.
Maybe the next one; but certainly not the one after that. In fact, when the iPhone 8 comes out with ZERO intrusions through the case, except for a sealed speaker and microphone, and a requisite 50 m water-resistance rating (which the Apple Watch already has), soon all smartphones will be sealed, too.
Interesting use of the word "wrong", since you clearly disagree with his statement that making a water-proof USB connector is just as hard as a water-proof audio jack.
Perhaps I was being too hasty, posting from work.
But, as you no doubt know, what I meant was that a 3.5 mm gasketed (o-ring-equipped) connector is more bulky than a non-gasketed 3.5 mm connector, and they have a history of failing over time. PLUS, 3.5 mm connectors are much harder to waterproof than leaf-contact-type connectors, like Lightning or USB, where the backside of the leaf-contacts can simply be sealed with epoxy or other plastic.
for nothing
Oh so now it's Apple's fault?
Right on schedule!
It seems to me that this is an example of corporations quite clearly forcing consumers into something they don't want. They only way to stop them is to NOT buy these devices.
I have 2 older iPods, a smartphone, a surround sound a/v receiver, CD players, MP3 players, ancient transistor radios, etc., and NONE of them work with USB headphones. All of them work with standard audio jacks. I'm not investing in new headphones, dongles, cables, etc.
Not even when they come for free (just like those 1/4" to 1/8" headphone adapters that have been shipping with many headphones for about the last 20 years?)?
"Why do they keep thinking they need to be thinner?" They don't (necessarily think that). It's a bullshit marketing excuse for removing a 25 cent part, then selling you something to replace it to make another $5 in profit. Same with the water resistant BS - it's no harder to make a waterproof 3.5 jack than it is to make a waterproof USB one. The concept is identical.
You're wrong on both counts. Gasketed connectors are both bulky and failure-prone. Period.
You don't need a slimmer phone. Samsung and Apple do.
They are purposefully kneecapping their hardware so that they can continue to "improve" the hardware in subsequent revisions, giving people a reason to upgrade (if they built a phone that people actually wanted to the quality you'd expect from a premium device, everyone would have the same phone for 5-10 years and that's bad for business). It's guaranteed Apple will release the 7S (or iPhone 8) and tout the new and improved battery life like it's some sort of miracle.
Likewise, slim devices are subject to more mechanical stress than a fat phone. This too is great for hardware manufactures because it means the phone will more reliably fail once the warranty is expired. Good luck keeping an iPhone 7 around for 5 years (or longer).
It's not about you. It's about planned and forced obsolescence, and nothing else.
What a dark world you must live in. Much like your mother's basement, I'd imagine...
Nuh-uh! Apple will remove all ports on its phone and go wireless only! Because wires are ugly and it takes courage to make leaps!
Don't laugh. With the data rates they can get with their W1 chip and 802.11ac WiFi, all they need is wireless charging and they are there. And guess who has been advertising for wireless charging talent lately?
Samsung's Next Flagship Smartphone May Not Be Purchased by Me
I won't buy one either, and I have only ever had Samsung phones. I'm not worried though, there are lots of Android phone model available, and one of them will suit me just fine.
And every stinkin' one that you'll want to buy will be jackless by the next model rev.
i dunno.. i got a drill.. and.. i just follow that youtube video of how to drill a hole in your iphone7 to uncover the secret headphone jack.. im pretty comfortable drilling a hole in a samsung..
I say go for it!
I agree. Hopefully they will ADD a USB port and not just leave us hanging. I would like to see an additional port on the opposite edge of my current charging port. Almost every USB implementation includes 2 available ports and they could utilize the existing boards without having to expand the size. I am also not really actively seeking a phone that is thinner overall, make it smaller to better fit in a pocket and flexible to better withstand the squashing effect.
It's a PHONE. Want multipke ports? Get a hub.
I like being able to charge my phone AND listen to music. It's not a niche use. Millions of people do it every day. I don't want wireless headphones. At least nail down wireless charging before you jam every possible output/input through one port.
It is as if Samsung wants everyone to abandon them. All of my portable electronics are Samsung but because of non-sense like this along with non-removable batteries and a lack of SD card slots I'll probably be making the jump to LG next time I'm in the market for a new device, but for right now I'm sticking with a Note 4 because, in my opinion, it's the last decent phone in the Galaxy lineup.
Better hurry on that LG; because their next phone won't have a 3.5 mm Jack, either.