macs4all, you didn't get the point. We want to be able to replace the battery. We don't think the product is obsolete. if the BEST TECH DESIGN company in the world can't design a way for us to change the battery more easily, the world is doomed. And it is doomed (maybe), for for different reasons. It makes no sense to make a device as powerful as an Ipad last only 3 years. The iPad 1 can still do amazing things that you cannot do on a computer (like play a piano, or paint to name just two out of a thousand things), but for many, their battries has started to fail.
There's absolutely no way they couldn't have though of some other way to make it more serviceable.
Replaceable batteries mean the battery has to have some sort of battery well, battery door and consumer-friendly connector. Every single one of those things adds size and weight to the product.
The iPad's battery IS replaceable. It isn't molded into the case, or a potted assembly. But it is replaceable. There is absolutely no reason to go to the trouble and expense to make a consumer-replaceable battery that:
1. Only has to be replaced once every several years.
2. Is a insanely proprietary design. No going to the drugstore for this battery.
3. Needs to be disposed of properly, so as not to create toxic waste. Again, we're talking about a pretty big battery here. How many "consumers" would take the time to make sure it doesn't just end up in the dustbin?
Yes, people sell them, and they do comment a higher than average resale value. I'm saying that the vast majority of users don't sell their unwanted Apple brand devices. A quick check on ebay doesn't seem to yield millions upon millions of used Apple products!
Well, if some are like me, I can never bear to part with a still-functioning, and functional, device. And other than my Performa 575, which finally suffered a power-supply failure, every single Apple product I have ever purchased, including my Apple 1 (!!!) still works...
As far as I could tell, your post was completely content free. However, this, "sales of Android devices doesn't tell the true picture" at least was a little bit amusing. No of course not, it's not about sales. Apple doesn't need sales because it can just pass a collection plate around and all its cultists will happily donate.
And your reply was relevant, how?
Pot, meet kettle.
But I guess when faced with evidence, there is nothing left but lame, ad hominem, attacks.
And if you'll notice, I was the one that pointed out that it wasn't about "sales" (as Samsung has shown, and earlier, MS with the original XBox, there are all sorts of ways to "game" sales figures); but about "how big a footprint at any one time". And these figures become especially relevant when offered by someone with nothing to gain or lose (Techcrunch, in this case).
I started with the ][+ and had all that stuff. I think it got fp basic by adding a card.
The main difference, so far as I ever new, was that accidentally bumping the reset key wouldn't reset you. A friend who bought before the + came out had a lot of problem with that.
Bzzzt! Thanks for playing! The main difference between the original Apple ][ and the ][+ was Applesoft (floating point) BASIC ON BOARD. That's what the "plus" was about. If you had a Floating Point card (with the little red plastic switch sticking out the back) you DIDN'T have a ][+. You had a ][ with a "Language Card".
Oh, and there was a little trick with an O-Ring under the Reset Key that would fix that annoying little habit, by making the Reset key hard-as-hell to push. I believe the "Control-Reset Mod" was actually applied BEFORE the ][+ came out (but I might be remembering when it was still a "hardware hack", like 7-color HIRES graphics). Both were later incorporated into the product.
Back to the original point, though: I am pretty sure that my Apple ][+ did NOT have the mini-assembler, FP routines, nor Sweet 16 in ROM.
WOW! Talk about Tech support!!! APPLE still lists the RELOCATED Mini-assembler (which ran in RAM) for the ][+ On their SUPPORT SITE!!! So, not only does that answer the question (no need for a RAM based mini-assembler if there was one in ROM, right?); but it also shows that APPLE SUPPORT ROCKS!!! Name ONE other company that archives support articles from 1979!!!
False Dichotomy. Look it up. Realize that Apple is the largest manufacturer of smartphones and Tablets. Also I believe they're third for PCs overall. On top of that they offer a very specific product that is different from other commodity-like products such as android phones and Windows PCs. They have a very strong identity and pull on the market and their decision to try and prohibit upgrading and intentionally sealing their devices like vaults (without adding any benefit like water-proofing) is just another attempt by them to control citizens and enforce the "it just works" ideology even when it doesn't and the repair is twice the cost of the other brands.
What are you smoking (and can I have a hit?)
And if you look down further in this thread, your fandroid friends would have us believe that Apple is quickly losing out to Android in the mobile market.
And speaking of upgrading, how many Android devices enjoy the amount of OS upgrades as do iOS devices?
Citation please on the "repair is TWICE the cost of the other brands."
How many do you honestly think are going in the landfill?
Most of them. How many former iPad and iPhone owners do you think actually sell their old device when they no longer have a need for it?
Look on eBay. You'll quickly see. In fact, the very fact that Apple devices hold their value far better than most high-tech stuff means that many "used" Apple devices are sold. In comparison, most Android devices aren't even worth the listing fees. You find most of them on Freecycle or Craigslist.
Sony and Apple are two peas in a pod; they're both control-freak companies that try to push their proprietary crap on everyone. Apple's just been a lot more successful at it lately; back in the 90s, their roles were reversed.
I think he was using micro USB as an example of a standard, in comparison to the apple dock connector.
And the Apple Dock connector is available from so many third-party vendors, that I would submit that it, too, has acheived "Standard Connector" status, as well.
Why do you think "RCA connectors" (which are ubiquitous on audio/video equipment) are called "RCA Connectors"? HINT: It doesn't stand for Real Cool Analog...
Don't buy anything that requires a non-standard data cable, such as micro USB.
You do realize (of course you don't; because you obviously haven't been out of your Mom's basement since 2001. Silly me!) that the mini and micro USB cables ARE part of the USB standard, right? In fact, as of 2010, the Micro USB is the most widely used.
As I have said many times before; for a supposed "Geek" site, Slashdot has some of the most dyed-in-the-wool technical luddites around.
Your analogy falls apart in recent years though, when you look at the popularity of the iPad and iPhone.
Nonsense. Both are losing ground to more open Android devices.
Sigh. We've been through this a thousand times. But, in a likely vain attempt at showing what the truly relevant figures are, here we go again, once more into the breech...
Because, just like Samsung's "sales" figures for the Galaxy Tab, "sales" of Android devices doesn't tell the true picture. And that is, a significant percentage of the Android phones that have been sold are in the dustbin, because they broke and/or got replaced, but no one bothers to track those numbers.
Do people break/replace their iOS devices? Sure; but that's not the point. The only metric that really counts with mobile devices these days is "browser share". Because, that is the most accurate way for "the industry" to track devices that are actually in use.
This (see graph # 3) is a more accurate reflection of the relative popularity of iOS (for example) to the theives/also-rans, and shows iOS and Android neck and neck, with Apple slightly in the lead. But both pale in comparison to Nokia, which you conveniently leave out of your tirade.
Also, always keep in mind that Android is a "platform", where all the sales are lumped-together (and yet still don't beat out Apple), while Apple is a "company" (who produces only higher-end products, to boot).
Look how long it took Apple's computer hardware business to decline after it's boom in the early 80s, and before the iPod shot it up again. The OP never said that closed hardware would never have a boom - he said in the long term, open hardware out-competes it. It's impossible to apply his predictions to the smartphone (and especially the tablet) space, as its a market still in its infancy.
And this is the year of Linux on the Desktop... And no one will buy a product called "iPad". And let's not ever forget "No Wifi. Less Storage than a Nomad. Lame."
Rage on. Meanwhile, the rest of the planet is busy, ENJOYING their life.
Wow! NINE tracking scripts! I didn't even think to check that... Oh, and I didn't notice that they had edited their other iPad teardowns, either. Good catches!!!
And, look what happened, Wintel machines won. More and better innovation came from the hardware manufacturers that had to compete with each other for user's dollars.
No. What happened was an execrable and inexorable race to the bottom, with MOST of those "Wintel machine" producers either with their doors shuttered, and/or snapped up by the few manufacturers that had enough diversity in their overall product lines to survive.
I think the problem is that even if you're careful and know what you're doing, there's still a decent change of randomly breaking the glass. According to the video in the story, iFixit originally gave the iPad 2 a score of 4 out of 10 for repairability. However they downgraded it to a 2 out of 10, which is the score they also gave the new iPad, because of the number of failed repairs over the last year.
Sounds to me like they have a bunch of incompetent and/or impatient repair techs. And who knows how many they actually broke? 1? 10? 100? 10,000?
There is absolutely no reason that the iPad's glass front cannot be removed, given sufficient heat, sufficient skill and sufficient patience. They were just feeling whiney. Perhaps they should start with something a little more suitable than a guitar pick as a spreader, fercrissakes!
If you have trouble fixing your dishwasher, or fridge, then you have problems. Those are easy and you can get manuals and schematics from the manufacturer most of the time. As for your car, yes that is a a walled garden. They do that on purpose. I don't care that others want their things to just work, but should I use the same things just because others are content to overpay? I don't think so. It's like telling me that I should not be angry that my car now cannot have oil changes at home because most people would prefer not to do it themselves. I don't care, and an iPad is a device I won't buy.
You do realize you're not only insane; but reflect the views of approximately.000000000000001% of the population, don't you?
Even on Slashdot, most people aren't fixing their own dishwasher, fridge, or A/V equipment. And I would imagine that not 1 in 100 on this forum would consider the firmware in their Car, VCR, DVD Recorder, Refrigerator, or TV a true example of a "Walled Garden".
][ Forever motherfuckers! Still sore about the total lack of an upgrade path.... and with it the complete abandonment of that early geeky coolness. You could bring those up with no disk at all, start writting basic, drop into the built in assembler. Maybe it wasn't that useful like that, but boy did it ever get my curiosity going as a kid.
Loved Apple of the 80s.
Actually, IIRC, Woz's Integer BASIC and mini-assembler (along with his Sweet 16 (the 6502 Dream Machine) and the Apple Floating-Point Routines) disappeared as early as the Apple ][+. . That's why I used to call the ][+ the "][ minus"...
Actually, I was quite the Apple 1/][/6502 geek in those days. Wrote (among many other things) for the Apple ][, a "program switcher", a virtual-memory "overlay" system for Applesoft BASIC programs (that let you seamlessly and easily write Applesoft programs that were WAY too big to fit in 48K (it actually leveraged the ONERRORGOTO, along with the magical "Ampersand" vector to evaluate what the "error" was (what "missing" BASIC code line was attempting to be referenced) and then used direct disk-sector reads to "swap in" a section of BASIC from disk, while preserving the variable "heap". As long as you didn't do something stupid like break "segments" in the middle of a FOR-NEXT loop, it worked a TREAT!), and an in-situ 13 to 16-sector DOS 3.2 -> 3.3 floppy reformatter. I also produced several variants of Randy Wiggington's most-excellent TED II Editor/Assembler (speaking of Sweet 16. TED II's Editor was written in Sweet 16) that not only assembled to and from disk (it was the only way to assemble DOS 3.3 from source!), but also cross-assembled to 6801, 6809 and even 8048 and 8085 targets.
And *nothing* annoys me more than their "Sent from my iFad" appended to e-mail messages. So long, commercial-free e-mail.
I note that you didn't include the "Sent from my Android Phone" (got one of those from my Nephew the other day) and "Sent from my Windows Phone" (get those from at least one of my employer's clients). Both of those platforms have a built-in Sig, too.
But yet, once again, it is Apple that gets singled-out.
The new iPad uses EXACTLY the same construction techniques as the iPad 2 and the original iPad. So why all the vitriol?
Two words: Page Hits.
I watched iFixIt's teardown of the new iPad. Even though getting inside was EXACTLY the same as getting inside the iPad2, iFixit saw fit to not only give the new iPad a "2 out of 10" score on "repairability"; but, IN AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE, also "downgraded" the iPad 2 to the same score (former score was 4 out of 10). This is asinine.
Once you get past the use of industrial adhesives for the front glass (and actually including the use of adhesives), the iPads have relatively standard consumer-electronics construction techniques. Yes, the battery is also staked-down; but as you can see from the iFixit video, they were able to pull it free from the bottom "pan". It isn't like it was a one-piece-molded-in assembly, or even worse, a "potted" assembly. In fact, if you look at the pan, they only use a couple small puddles of glue (why waste money). Just enough to keep the battery from rattling-around. Certainly not enough to keep ANYONE from removing it. And obviously, that glue is meant to stay pliable (like silicone rubber adhesives), so it won't even deform the bottom pan when it is removed. Yeah, Apple sure wants to keep a reasonable repair tech (or dedicated hobbyist) from replacing that battery...
Please.
So, speaking as a former electronic bench-tech, and later, a designer of several industrial products that, since around 1992, have employed industrial-adhesives to solve assembly problems where basically no "fastener" would work (and, just like with the iPad, and with my industrial (DC motor-control) product designs, you will see adhesives used often in display-portions of a product's "packaging"), I submit that if having to use a hair dryer and some guitar picks is too much for you, then you really are too lame to be working inside of the device, anyway.
Many, many, many consumer and industrial packaging designs employ the use of industrial adhesives. In fact, you'd be amazed at how many things are "glued together". At least Apple used a thermoplastic (rather than thermosetting) glue. Any other design would have called for fugly fastener "wells" on the backside of the device.
A device that, aside from the (massively-custom) battery (which will likely last longer than the average person keeps that generation of the product, anyway), there truly are "no user-serviceable parts inside".
Not one person in 1,000 reading my words has the skill nor equipment necessary to do component-level repair on anything as densely-populated as your average smartphone or tablet; and for those who want to attempt "module-level" repair, then the iPad (all generations) is no harder to get into than thousands of other devices you come in contact with every single day.
Do you whine because you can't (for all practical purposes) replace the keypad on your remote control? (I'm sure SOMEONE does; but...). Do you complain because you can't effectively repair your DVD burner? Does it burn you to realize that the display portion of your modern, thin, laptop most likely employs the same industrial adhesives as are used on the iPad?
So again, why does Apple get singled-out for using the exact-same assembly techniques as the rest of the consumer-electronics industry?
As I said above: Page Hits.
Now, watch as some fucktard on slashdot dismisses all this logical argument, simply because of my username. You guys are really pathetic sometimes... Grow up, will ya?!?
This is a common misconception. You are not waiving a constitutional right. The Seventh Amendment only applies to the federal government. That means that state governments and private citizens can violate that all they want as nothing in the constitution can stop them.
May I introduce you to the Supremacy Clause in the U.S. Constitution? And yes, you are waiving a Constitutional Right. Not to mention a Common Law Right to Sue, which precedes even the Constitutional one.
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My only really irresponsible move here was not supplying hand lotion to the grammar nazis after posting this.
So, did you mean to say that the MicroUSB connector was "standard",or not?
I note that you still haven't answered that question.
I did use a comma.
Perhaps I should lower my skills to suite you and the rest?
[Emphasis added]
I think that sentence sums up your "skills" quite nicely, thank you!
Sorry, couldn't resist. You're just too tempting of a target; what with your illiterate attempts at snappy comebacks, and all...
Which I read as "Send your iPad to US, because you'll never repair it successfully."
macs4all, you didn't get the point. We want to be able to replace the battery. We don't think the product is obsolete. if the BEST TECH DESIGN company in the world can't design a way for us to change the battery more easily, the world is doomed. And it is doomed (maybe), for for different reasons. It makes no sense to make a device as powerful as an Ipad last only 3 years. The iPad 1 can still do amazing things that you cannot do on a computer (like play a piano, or paint to name just two out of a thousand things), but for many, their battries has started to fail.
There's absolutely no way they couldn't have though of some other way to make it more serviceable.
Replaceable batteries mean the battery has to have some sort of battery well, battery door and consumer-friendly connector. Every single one of those things adds size and weight to the product.
The iPad's battery IS replaceable. It isn't molded into the case, or a potted assembly. But it is replaceable. There is absolutely no reason to go to the trouble and expense to make a consumer-replaceable battery that:
1. Only has to be replaced once every several years.
2. Is a insanely proprietary design. No going to the drugstore for this battery.
3. Needs to be disposed of properly, so as not to create toxic waste. Again, we're talking about a pretty big battery here. How many "consumers" would take the time to make sure it doesn't just end up in the dustbin?
Yes, people sell them, and they do comment a higher than average resale value. I'm saying that the vast majority of users don't sell their unwanted Apple brand devices. A quick check on ebay doesn't seem to yield millions upon millions of used Apple products!
Well, if some are like me, I can never bear to part with a still-functioning, and functional, device. And other than my Performa 575, which finally suffered a power-supply failure, every single Apple product I have ever purchased, including my Apple 1 (!!!) still works...
As far as I could tell, your post was completely content free. However, this, "sales of Android devices doesn't tell the true picture" at least was a little bit amusing. No of course not, it's not about sales. Apple doesn't need sales because it can just pass a collection plate around and all its cultists will happily donate.
And your reply was relevant, how?
Pot, meet kettle.
But I guess when faced with evidence, there is nothing left but lame, ad hominem, attacks.
And if you'll notice, I was the one that pointed out that it wasn't about "sales" (as Samsung has shown, and earlier, MS with the original XBox, there are all sorts of ways to "game" sales figures); but about "how big a footprint at any one time". And these figures become especially relevant when offered by someone with nothing to gain or lose (Techcrunch, in this case).
I started with the ][+ and had all that stuff. I think it got fp basic by adding a card. The main difference, so far as I ever new, was that accidentally bumping the reset key wouldn't reset you. A friend who bought before the + came out had a lot of problem with that.
Bzzzt! Thanks for playing! The main difference between the original Apple ][ and the ][+ was Applesoft (floating point) BASIC ON BOARD . That's what the "plus" was about. If you had a Floating Point card (with the little red plastic switch sticking out the back) you DIDN'T have a ][+. You had a ][ with a "Language Card".
Oh, and there was a little trick with an O-Ring under the Reset Key that would fix that annoying little habit, by making the Reset key hard-as-hell to push. I believe the "Control-Reset Mod" was actually applied BEFORE the ][+ came out (but I might be remembering when it was still a "hardware hack", like 7-color HIRES graphics). Both were later incorporated into the product.
Back to the original point, though: I am pretty sure that my Apple ][+ did NOT have the mini-assembler, FP routines, nor Sweet 16 in ROM.
WOW! Talk about Tech support!!! APPLE still lists the RELOCATED Mini-assembler (which ran in RAM) for the ][+ On their SUPPORT SITE!!! So, not only does that answer the question (no need for a RAM based mini-assembler if there was one in ROM, right?); but it also shows that APPLE SUPPORT ROCKS!!! Name ONE other company that archives support articles from 1979!!!
So again, why does Apple get singled-out for using the exact-same assembly techniques as the rest of the consumer-electronics industry?
1) That's not true.
2) Apple is evil.
1) Is so.
2) Is not.
But of course I am bold enough to put my Karma on the line. That's the difference between you and me.
Now I am done feeding the troll.
False Dichotomy. Look it up. Realize that Apple is the largest manufacturer of smartphones and Tablets. Also I believe they're third for PCs overall. On top of that they offer a very specific product that is different from other commodity-like products such as android phones and Windows PCs. They have a very strong identity and pull on the market and their decision to try and prohibit upgrading and intentionally sealing their devices like vaults (without adding any benefit like water-proofing) is just another attempt by them to control citizens and enforce the "it just works" ideology even when it doesn't and the repair is twice the cost of the other brands.
What are you smoking (and can I have a hit?)
And if you look down further in this thread, your fandroid friends would have us believe that Apple is quickly losing out to Android in the mobile market.
And speaking of upgrading, how many Android devices enjoy the amount of OS upgrades as do iOS devices?
Citation please on the "repair is TWICE the cost of the other brands."
Quit talking out your ass.
How many do you honestly think are going in the landfill?
Most of them. How many former iPad and iPhone owners do you think actually sell their old device when they no longer have a need for it?
Look on eBay. You'll quickly see. In fact, the very fact that Apple devices hold their value far better than most high-tech stuff means that many "used" Apple devices are sold. In comparison, most Android devices aren't even worth the listing fees. You find most of them on Freecycle or Craigslist.
Sony and Apple are two peas in a pod; they're both control-freak companies that try to push their proprietary crap on everyone. Apple's just been a lot more successful at it lately; back in the 90s, their roles were reversed.
Show me that Apple Rootkit...
I think he was using micro USB as an example of a standard, in comparison to the apple dock connector.
And the Apple Dock connector is available from so many third-party vendors, that I would submit that it, too, has acheived "Standard Connector" status, as well.
Why do you think "RCA connectors" (which are ubiquitous on audio/video equipment) are called "RCA Connectors"? HINT: It doesn't stand for Real Cool Analog...
I think he was using micro USB as an example of a standard, in comparison to the apple dock connector.
Wrong. Learn to read.
Don't buy anything that requires a non-standard data cable, such as micro USB. You do realize (of course you don't; because you obviously haven't been out of your Mom's basement since 2001. Silly me!) that the mini and micro USB cables ARE part of the USB standard, right? In fact, as of 2010, the Micro USB is the most widely used.
As I have said many times before; for a supposed "Geek" site, Slashdot has some of the most dyed-in-the-wool technical luddites around.
Sad, really. Just sad.
Your analogy falls apart in recent years though, when you look at the popularity of the iPad and iPhone.
Nonsense. Both are losing ground to more open Android devices.
Sigh. We've been through this a thousand times. But, in a likely vain attempt at showing what the truly relevant figures are, here we go again, once more into the breech...
Because, just like Samsung's "sales" figures for the Galaxy Tab, "sales" of Android devices doesn't tell the true picture. And that is, a significant percentage of the Android phones that have been sold are in the dustbin, because they broke and/or got replaced, but no one bothers to track those numbers.
Do people break/replace their iOS devices? Sure; but that's not the point. The only metric that really counts with mobile devices these days is "browser share". Because, that is the most accurate way for "the industry" to track devices that are actually in use.
This (see graph # 3) is a more accurate reflection of the relative popularity of iOS (for example) to the theives/also-rans, and shows iOS and Android neck and neck, with Apple slightly in the lead. But both pale in comparison to Nokia, which you conveniently leave out of your tirade.
Also, always keep in mind that Android is a "platform", where all the sales are lumped-together (and yet still don't beat out Apple), while Apple is a "company" (who produces only higher-end products, to boot).
Look how long it took Apple's computer hardware business to decline after it's boom in the early 80s, and before the iPod shot it up again. The OP never said that closed hardware would never have a boom - he said in the long term, open hardware out-competes it. It's impossible to apply his predictions to the smartphone (and especially the tablet) space, as its a market still in its infancy.
And this is the year of Linux on the Desktop... And no one will buy a product called "iPad". And let's not ever forget "No Wifi. Less Storage than a Nomad. Lame."
Rage on. Meanwhile, the rest of the planet is busy, ENJOYING their life.
Wow! NINE tracking scripts! I didn't even think to check that... Oh, and I didn't notice that they had edited their other iPad teardowns, either. Good catches!!!
(stealing nearly all their ideas from iPhone in the process)
FTFY.
And, look what happened, Wintel machines won. More and better innovation came from the hardware manufacturers that had to compete with each other for user's dollars.
No. What happened was an execrable and inexorable race to the bottom, with MOST of those "Wintel machine" producers either with their doors shuttered, and/or snapped up by the few manufacturers that had enough diversity in their overall product lines to survive.
Now, compare that to Apple's success...
I think the problem is that even if you're careful and know what you're doing, there's still a decent change of randomly breaking the glass. According to the video in the story, iFixit originally gave the iPad 2 a score of 4 out of 10 for repairability. However they downgraded it to a 2 out of 10, which is the score they also gave the new iPad, because of the number of failed repairs over the last year.
Sounds to me like they have a bunch of incompetent and/or impatient repair techs. And who knows how many they actually broke? 1? 10? 100? 10,000?
There is absolutely no reason that the iPad's glass front cannot be removed, given sufficient heat, sufficient skill and sufficient patience. They were just feeling whiney. Perhaps they should start with something a little more suitable than a guitar pick as a spreader, fercrissakes!
If you have trouble fixing your dishwasher, or fridge, then you have problems. Those are easy and you can get manuals and schematics from the manufacturer most of the time. As for your car, yes that is a a walled garden. They do that on purpose. I don't care that others want their things to just work, but should I use the same things just because others are content to overpay? I don't think so. It's like telling me that I should not be angry that my car now cannot have oil changes at home because most people would prefer not to do it themselves. I don't care, and an iPad is a device I won't buy.
You do realize you're not only insane; but reflect the views of approximately .000000000000001% of the population, don't you?
Even on Slashdot, most people aren't fixing their own dishwasher, fridge, or A/V equipment. And I would imagine that not 1 in 100 on this forum would consider the firmware in their Car, VCR, DVD Recorder, Refrigerator, or TV a true example of a "Walled Garden".
][ Forever motherfuckers! Still sore about the total lack of an upgrade path.... and with it the complete abandonment of that early geeky coolness. You could bring those up with no disk at all, start writting basic, drop into the built in assembler. Maybe it wasn't that useful like that, but boy did it ever get my curiosity going as a kid.
Loved Apple of the 80s.
Actually, IIRC, Woz's Integer BASIC and mini-assembler (along with his Sweet 16 (the 6502 Dream Machine) and the Apple Floating-Point Routines) disappeared as early as the Apple ][+. . That's why I used to call the ][+ the "][ minus"...
Actually, I was quite the Apple 1/][/6502 geek in those days. Wrote (among many other things) for the Apple ][, a "program switcher", a virtual-memory "overlay" system for Applesoft BASIC programs (that let you seamlessly and easily write Applesoft programs that were WAY too big to fit in 48K (it actually leveraged the ONERRORGOTO, along with the magical "Ampersand" vector to evaluate what the "error" was (what "missing" BASIC code line was attempting to be referenced) and then used direct disk-sector reads to "swap in" a section of BASIC from disk, while preserving the variable "heap". As long as you didn't do something stupid like break "segments" in the middle of a FOR-NEXT loop, it worked a TREAT!), and an in-situ 13 to 16-sector DOS 3.2 -> 3.3 floppy reformatter. I also produced several variants of Randy Wiggington's most-excellent TED II Editor/Assembler (speaking of Sweet 16. TED II's Editor was written in Sweet 16) that not only assembled to and from disk (it was the only way to assemble DOS 3.3 from source!), but also cross-assembled to 6801, 6809 and even 8048 and 8085 targets.
Good times. Good times...
And *nothing* annoys me more than their "Sent from my iFad" appended to e-mail messages. So long, commercial-free e-mail.
I note that you didn't include the "Sent from my Android Phone" (got one of those from my Nephew the other day) and "Sent from my Windows Phone" (get those from at least one of my employer's clients). Both of those platforms have a built-in Sig, too.
But yet, once again, it is Apple that gets singled-out.
Fucktard.
The new iPad uses EXACTLY the same construction techniques as the iPad 2 and the original iPad. So why all the vitriol?
Two words: Page Hits.
I watched iFixIt's teardown of the new iPad. Even though getting inside was EXACTLY the same as getting inside the iPad2, iFixit saw fit to not only give the new iPad a "2 out of 10" score on "repairability"; but, IN AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE, also "downgraded" the iPad 2 to the same score (former score was 4 out of 10). This is asinine.
Once you get past the use of industrial adhesives for the front glass (and actually including the use of adhesives), the iPads have relatively standard consumer-electronics construction techniques. Yes, the battery is also staked-down; but as you can see from the iFixit video, they were able to pull it free from the bottom "pan". It isn't like it was a one-piece-molded-in assembly, or even worse, a "potted" assembly. In fact, if you look at the pan, they only use a couple small puddles of glue (why waste money). Just enough to keep the battery from rattling-around. Certainly not enough to keep ANYONE from removing it. And obviously, that glue is meant to stay pliable (like silicone rubber adhesives), so it won't even deform the bottom pan when it is removed. Yeah, Apple sure wants to keep a reasonable repair tech (or dedicated hobbyist) from replacing that battery...
Please.
So, speaking as a former electronic bench-tech, and later, a designer of several industrial products that, since around 1992, have employed industrial-adhesives to solve assembly problems where basically no "fastener" would work (and, just like with the iPad, and with my industrial (DC motor-control) product designs, you will see adhesives used often in display-portions of a product's "packaging"), I submit that if having to use a hair dryer and some guitar picks is too much for you, then you really are too lame to be working inside of the device, anyway.
Many, many, many consumer and industrial packaging designs employ the use of industrial adhesives. In fact, you'd be amazed at how many things are "glued together". At least Apple used a thermoplastic (rather than thermosetting) glue. Any other design would have called for fugly fastener "wells" on the backside of the device.
A device that, aside from the (massively-custom) battery (which will likely last longer than the average person keeps that generation of the product, anyway), there truly are "no user-serviceable parts inside".
Not one person in 1,000 reading my words has the skill nor equipment necessary to do component-level repair on anything as densely-populated as your average smartphone or tablet; and for those who want to attempt "module-level" repair, then the iPad (all generations) is no harder to get into than thousands of other devices you come in contact with every single day.
Do you whine because you can't (for all practical purposes) replace the keypad on your remote control? (I'm sure SOMEONE does; but...). Do you complain because you can't effectively repair your DVD burner? Does it burn you to realize that the display portion of your modern, thin, laptop most likely employs the same industrial adhesives as are used on the iPad?
So again, why does Apple get singled-out for using the exact-same assembly techniques as the rest of the consumer-electronics industry?
As I said above: Page Hits.
Now, watch as some fucktard on slashdot dismisses all this logical argument, simply because of my username. You guys are really pathetic sometimes... Grow up, will ya?!?
This is a common misconception. You are not waiving a constitutional right. The Seventh Amendment only applies to the federal government. That means that state governments and private citizens can violate that all they want as nothing in the constitution can stop them.
May I introduce you to the Supremacy Clause in the U.S. Constitution? And yes, you are waiving a Constitutional Right. Not to mention a Common Law Right to Sue, which precedes even the Constitutional one.