I love what Congress latches onto. Although this iPhone location file deal is a big deal, it seems to me that there are more important issues that should be discussed. Like maybe throwing the banksters who caused the financial crisis in jail. But at least it's more important than the hearings about steroids in baseball.
Considering that the hearings about the economic collapse didn't result in any jail time or even any fines for the perpetrators, Tribble should just show up in flip-flops and a t-shirt while drunk and say "What's up, sluts? I hope this isn't going to take very long....yea, we violate privacy but considering you didn't do anything about Wall Street execs that literally raped this country out of trillions of dollars I'm sure as shit you are going to get off your fat asses for some lousy cellphone privacy issues! Peace out, bitches, catch you on the flippity flop!"
Crap! too true. That means not only are they multiplying like jack rabbits but they are mutating in size and shape. Within a few years they will achieve the perfect 1:4:9 proportions and the apple iMonoliths will take over the galaxy.
Boy, do I wish I had some graphics skills! I can't believe no one has done an iPhone == Monolith parody; but I couldn't find one. If my search-fu is just weak, someone please post a link!
Gimme a break! Apple keeps some cell-tower data in a database they didn't size correctly (data that was way too coarse-grained and coarse-timed to do much of anything anyway), then they FIX it without even being made to, and yet THEY are the bad guys? Gimme a break!
Read the linked Time Magazine article, above, if you want to identify REAL eeeee-vil. And the Courts are just FINE with it.
It took some time for the USB ecosystem to gather steam. It didn't start with the puny iMac. It didn't even become suddenly more interesting even with the advent of support from Windows (and Linux). Even after that, it really took longer for things to get interesting with USB.
The tail didn't wag the dog, regardless of how much you want it to be otherwise.
I didn't say that the iMac was the first computer with a USB connector on it. Far from it.
But it DID pretty-much single-handedly start peripheral manufacturers falling over each other in an attempt to bring products to market that were USB (and therefore, iMac) compatible.
I really don't think you were computing in the 80s.
Whether or not you've got one single board, or a bunch of slots it ultimately doesn't matter to the end user. These are "geeky details". On the other hand, dealing with the ensuing mess and cables and dongles and possibly even power wall warts is another matter.
It's really funny when these "queer guys" try to advocate something that is so utterly ugly and clumsy.
That's a laugh! I've been running my personal wetware since 1956...
So it's a new laptop with some pretty unremarkable new features. This article is different from the 100 other "latest new product" offers that arrive in my junk email box, how?...apart from the fact it's on Slashdot and not in my junk email folder of course.
This is the third display port standard Apple have used in 4 years - I wonder if they are considering sticking with this one for any length of time?
Or just cling to VGA until the sun goes out, like most PC users.
Having said that, I think that Apple has chased new display standards a bit; but Thunderbolt is at least backwards-compatible with DisplayPort, and that is backwards-compatible with at least DVI (albeit through a simple and inexpensive adapter cable). So, their upgrade-path isn't nearly as "orphan-prone" as it would appear at first.
Revisionist history? I thought Apple was very, very anti-USB and pro-firewire? Heck the first iPod didn't even interface to USB (and therefore couldn't talk to anything but macs). That's how anti-USB apple was initially.
Wrong.
By the time the first iPod was released, Apple had already single-handedly created a VAST USB peripheral market with the iMac.
The first iPods supported only FireWire because Apple realized that 12 Mbps USB was TOO FUCKING SLOW to load even the original 5 GB iPod in a REASONABLE time.
It wasn't until Macs had adopted USB 2.0 that Apple felt confident in switching the iPods to USB exclusively.
And, BTW, on iPods like mine that support BOTH FW and USB 2.0, FireWire is still MUCH faster than USB to load/sync those devices. That's because USB sucks for streaming data, while FW was created specifically for that purpose.
USB uptake on PCs was a function of Intel bundling USB for free on all of it's motherboards. The fact that Apple Corp left it's legacy users in the lurch really had nothing to do with it.
Yeah, PC mfgs. shipped mobos for two or three YEARS with the "what's that for?" connector. I remember it well. In fact, not one person I asked before the iMac came out even knew what the connector was called, let alone had ANYthing to hook it up to.
But that all changed, virtually overnight, when the iMac debuted.
Seriously, quit trying to revise history. It just makes you look trollish or stupid. Or both.
Yah my bad, I just assumed anyone buying FC hardware would want the current generation. I actually looked for a 10Gb FCoE converter too. Google seems to be more and more biased to sites selling stuff, but for obscure things you still have to wade through pages and pages until you find what you want (unless the shopping page has it). I assume someone has a 10Gb Ethernet, but I didn't spend any time looking for those, so I didn't add them to the original list.
I hear you about Google's page-ranking getting more "click-through" oriented. Actually, I was just looking for ANY Thunderbolt peripherals that were already available, or nearly available, when I tripped upon that FC interface.
I will admit that FC doesn't impact my life at all; so I don't keep up on what "current" means in that context. I don't actually know if an 8 Gbps i/f would be practical on TB's 10 Gbps raw data rate; but one can hope...
Meanwhile, I'd personally be pretty excited that I could hook up my laptop to a SAN via a FC interface out in the field at ANY speed!
Great news for those wanting to install Snow Leopard on their Sandy Bridge machines. It was imperfect early on (involving setting busratio flags amongst others) but now that MacOS is officially supported on the 2nd generation Cores it should make for a smoother Hackintosh experience.
Mind you, the fact it's taken Apple four months to catch up isn't impressive. If hobbyists could run it on day one of the new chips being released, I don't see why Apple couldn't have prepared for it sooner...
Because, unlike hobbyists, Apple actually has a "qualification" procedure, where department after department has to sign-off on new designs. That automatically adds months.
But, if you were an actual engineer, you'd already know that.
...because what everyone wants is a TI/99A or Atari 400 approach to how systems look and are upgraded.
Apple users spend all of this time "looking trendy" and denigrating anything else that they view as ugly while promoting this 80s notion of how computers are put together.
Excuse me? I think you have that completely backwards.
Is there anything MORE "80s" than a tower computer with a bunch of cards in slots?
Actually my google search was "8Gbit FC to Thunderbolt" which didn't yield the 4Gbit adapters. So there is connectivity, only at 1/2 the current speed (unless there is a 8Gbit one I missed).
I can't help it that you didn't specify the additional condition until AFTER I pointed out your deficient search-skills.
And not everyone needs an FC to SAN connection that can transfer the equivalent of a non-compressed movie in a few seconds. Just because the first-generation Thunderbolt chipsets aren't as fast as a 16x PCIe slot, doesn't mean there isn't a ton of utility in what is coming in this first generation of products.
At 10 Gbps, the bandwidth is theoretically there; so there is no obvious reason that an 8 Gbps Thunderbolt FC interface can't happen.
Are you comfortable with one day perhaps only being able to get apps electronically? That's not meant to be a trollish or insinuating comment, it's an honest question. I do understand that these days most publishers provide for electronic purchases and acquisition of software, but I still don't want to be without the option / capability of physical media. I suppose external drives would still be an option, so maybe my question is irrelevant.
Actually, I personally kind of think it's a little premature to completely axe optical drives from laptops. Having said that, Apple has a GREAT "drive sharing" utility that they created for the MacBook Air (but which works on all, or nearly all, of their machines) that has both OS X and Windows "server" versions, and works over WiFi, terrestrial Ethernet, FireWire and (maybe?) even USB. I've actually used it with a MacBook Pro as the target (and my old G5 tower as the "server"), and it works a treat.
I know that drive sharing isn't a new thing to anyone (including Apple); but this operates at a low-enough level in the machine's firmware (I am guessing) that you can even use it to install the OS from scratch.
I know that doesn't help when you can't get access to another machine; but for all practical purposes, that isn't much of a problem these days, especially since Apple was nice enough to provide both Mac and Windows-ware. It also doesn't help with watching a movie from a DVD; but we were discussing software distribution...;-)
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I love what Congress latches onto. Although this iPhone location file deal is a big deal, it seems to me that there are more important issues that should be discussed. Like maybe throwing the banksters who caused the financial crisis in jail. But at least it's more important than the hearings about steroids in baseball.
Boy, that ain't no shit!
Considering that the hearings about the economic collapse didn't result in any jail time or even any fines for the perpetrators, Tribble should just show up in flip-flops and a t-shirt while drunk and say "What's up, sluts? I hope this isn't going to take very long....yea, we violate privacy but considering you didn't do anything about Wall Street execs that literally raped this country out of trillions of dollars I'm sure as shit you are going to get off your fat asses for some lousy cellphone privacy issues! Peace out, bitches, catch you on the flippity flop!"
+4 Insightful?!? Really? IN-SIGHT-FUL????
Abandon ye all hope who post here!
Cool. You can parrot John Gruber. That's an unbiased source.
Or, we can just parrot you: An ANONYMOUS COWARD.
Crap! too true. That means not only are they multiplying like jack rabbits but they are mutating in size and shape. Within a few years they will achieve the perfect 1:4:9 proportions and the apple iMonoliths will take over the galaxy.
Boy, do I wish I had some graphics skills! I can't believe no one has done an iPhone == Monolith parody; but I couldn't find one. If my search-fu is just weak, someone please post a link!
It ain't about Apple. It's about citizen's right to privacy.
Yeah, and we're really kicking that one in the butt...
Gimme a break! Apple keeps some cell-tower data in a database they didn't size correctly (data that was way too coarse-grained and coarse-timed to do much of anything anyway), then they FIX it without even being made to, and yet THEY are the bad guys? Gimme a break!
Read the linked Time Magazine article, above, if you want to identify REAL eeeee-vil. And the Courts are just FINE with it.
Isn't this kind of what drove HAL crazy?
The funny part about this is that CBS has copyright, licenses, or produces content.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
We now have the MAFIAA eating its own.
Cool!
I'm not revising history. YOU are.
It took some time for the USB ecosystem to gather steam. It didn't start with the puny iMac. It didn't even become suddenly more interesting even with the advent of support from Windows (and Linux). Even after that, it really took longer for things to get interesting with USB.
The tail didn't wag the dog, regardless of how much you want it to be otherwise.
I didn't say that the iMac was the first computer with a USB connector on it. Far from it.
But it DID pretty-much single-handedly start peripheral manufacturers falling over each other in an attempt to bring products to market that were USB (and therefore, iMac) compatible.
Nope.
I really don't think you were computing in the 80s.
Whether or not you've got one single board, or a bunch of slots it ultimately doesn't matter to the end user. These are "geeky details". On the other hand, dealing with the ensuing mess and cables and dongles and possibly even power wall warts is another matter.
It's really funny when these "queer guys" try to advocate something that is so utterly ugly and clumsy.
That's a laugh! I've been running my personal wetware since 1956...
But seriously, I've been "computing" since 1976.
So it's a new laptop with some pretty unremarkable new features. This article is different from the 100 other "latest new product" offers that arrive in my junk email box, how? ...apart from the fact it's on Slashdot and not in my junk email folder of course.
...and yet, you feel compelled to comment on it.
Well, you mean two cables, right? One for power and one for data.
Depending on the device, maybe yes, maybe no. Thunderbolt has some provision for providing power (10W max) to peripherals.
But when the purely fiber TB stuff comes out, that will, of course, disappear.
This is the third display port standard Apple have used in 4 years - I wonder if they are considering sticking with this one for any length of time?
Or just cling to VGA until the sun goes out, like most PC users.
Having said that, I think that Apple has chased new display standards a bit; but Thunderbolt is at least backwards-compatible with DisplayPort, and that is backwards-compatible with at least DVI (albeit through a simple and inexpensive adapter cable). So, their upgrade-path isn't nearly as "orphan-prone" as it would appear at first.
Revisionist history? I thought Apple was very, very anti-USB and pro-firewire? Heck the first iPod didn't even interface to USB (and therefore couldn't talk to anything but macs). That's how anti-USB apple was initially.
Wrong.
By the time the first iPod was released, Apple had already single-handedly created a VAST USB peripheral market with the iMac.
The first iPods supported only FireWire because Apple realized that 12 Mbps USB was TOO FUCKING SLOW to load even the original 5 GB iPod in a REASONABLE time.
It wasn't until Macs had adopted USB 2.0 that Apple felt confident in switching the iPods to USB exclusively.
And, BTW, on iPods like mine that support BOTH FW and USB 2.0, FireWire is still MUCH faster than USB to load/sync those devices. That's because USB sucks for streaming data, while FW was created specifically for that purpose.
USB uptake on PCs was a function of Intel bundling USB for free on all of it's motherboards. The fact that Apple Corp left it's legacy users in the lurch really had nothing to do with it.
Yeah, PC mfgs. shipped mobos for two or three YEARS with the "what's that for?" connector. I remember it well. In fact, not one person I asked before the iMac came out even knew what the connector was called, let alone had ANYthing to hook it up to.
But that all changed, virtually overnight, when the iMac debuted.
Seriously, quit trying to revise history. It just makes you look trollish or stupid. Or both.
Yah my bad, I just assumed anyone buying FC hardware would want the current generation. I actually looked for a 10Gb FCoE converter too. Google seems to be more and more biased to sites selling stuff, but for obscure things you still have to wade through pages and pages until you find what you want (unless the shopping page has it). I assume someone has a 10Gb Ethernet, but I didn't spend any time looking for those, so I didn't add them to the original list.
I hear you about Google's page-ranking getting more "click-through" oriented. Actually, I was just looking for ANY Thunderbolt peripherals that were already available, or nearly available, when I tripped upon that FC interface.
I will admit that FC doesn't impact my life at all; so I don't keep up on what "current" means in that context. I don't actually know if an 8 Gbps i/f would be practical on TB's 10 Gbps raw data rate; but one can hope...
Meanwhile, I'd personally be pretty excited that I could hook up my laptop to a SAN via a FC interface out in the field at ANY speed!
You mean like how firewire is now ubiquitous? oh wait...
In certain markets, primarily semi pro and pro audio and video, it is fairly ubiquitous.
Just because it doesn't impact your existence, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of others who's careers depend on FW every single day.
Great news for those wanting to install Snow Leopard on their Sandy Bridge machines. It was imperfect early on (involving setting busratio flags amongst others) but now that MacOS is officially supported on the 2nd generation Cores it should make for a smoother Hackintosh experience.
Mind you, the fact it's taken Apple four months to catch up isn't impressive. If hobbyists could run it on day one of the new chips being released, I don't see why Apple couldn't have prepared for it sooner...
Because, unlike hobbyists, Apple actually has a "qualification" procedure, where department after department has to sign-off on new designs. That automatically adds months.
But, if you were an actual engineer, you'd already know that.
...because what everyone wants is a TI/99A or Atari 400 approach to how systems look and are upgraded.
Apple users spend all of this time "looking trendy" and denigrating anything else that they view as ugly while promoting this 80s notion of how computers are put together.
Excuse me? I think you have that completely backwards.
Is there anything MORE "80s" than a tower computer with a bunch of cards in slots?
Actually my google search was "8Gbit FC to Thunderbolt" which didn't yield the 4Gbit adapters. So there is connectivity, only at 1/2 the current speed (unless there is a 8Gbit one I missed).
I can't help it that you didn't specify the additional condition until AFTER I pointed out your deficient search-skills.
And not everyone needs an FC to SAN connection that can transfer the equivalent of a non-compressed movie in a few seconds. Just because the first-generation Thunderbolt chipsets aren't as fast as a 16x PCIe slot, doesn't mean there isn't a ton of utility in what is coming in this first generation of products.
At 10 Gbps, the bandwidth is theoretically there; so there is no obvious reason that an 8 Gbps Thunderbolt FC interface can't happen.
Not to mention WAY too expensive. Just exactly HOW much do you want that MacBookPro to cost?!?
Why is $90 for a Blu-Ray burner "WAY too expensive"?
Blu-Ray is about 9 years behind DVD (general release of 1997 vs. 2006), and 9 years ago, DVD burners were in the $100 range, too.
$90 is too expensive, because it would probably add at least $200 to the MSRP.
Fair point.
Are you comfortable with one day perhaps only being able to get apps electronically? That's not meant to be a trollish or insinuating comment, it's an honest question. I do understand that these days most publishers provide for electronic purchases and acquisition of software, but I still don't want to be without the option / capability of physical media. I suppose external drives would still be an option, so maybe my question is irrelevant.
Actually, I personally kind of think it's a little premature to completely axe optical drives from laptops. Having said that, Apple has a GREAT "drive sharing" utility that they created for the MacBook Air (but which works on all, or nearly all, of their machines) that has both OS X and Windows "server" versions, and works over WiFi, terrestrial Ethernet, FireWire and (maybe?) even USB. I've actually used it with a MacBook Pro as the target (and my old G5 tower as the "server"), and it works a treat.
;-)
I know that drive sharing isn't a new thing to anyone (including Apple); but this operates at a low-enough level in the machine's firmware (I am guessing) that you can even use it to install the OS from scratch.
I know that doesn't help when you can't get access to another machine; but for all practical purposes, that isn't much of a problem these days, especially since Apple was nice enough to provide both Mac and Windows-ware. It also doesn't help with watching a movie from a DVD; but we were discussing software distribution...
Here's the actual link for above.
I don't see any converters to FC so that I can attach to a SAN
That's because you didn't bother to actually LOOK.
Even better, buy a PC, it'll be cheaper.
Yes, in every conceivable way.
ThunderBolt is really got potential but there is only one Thunderbolt port on these machines.
You really need to read. The 27 inch iMac has TWO T-Bolt ports.
Really you are just a stupid freaking brain dead wannabe Apple fanboi.
So, since you have already displayed your ignorance, I guess really you are just... stupid.